Kind of wondering about this since it has a lot of things going for it. Lots of depth, plenty of different archetypes are supported, many older out of print cards have later equivalents, and the player base is very lively. Even with the uptick of popularity from CFB adding pauper side events the deck costs have still not exceeded standard, making it the first non-rotating format I've seen in ages that doesn't cost an arm and a leg to play.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I saw some of this on Twitter. If it does start to gain traction, it wont stay cheap, and you can even play it on MTGO. I may look into some decks.
EDIT: Nevermind, I have already found one.
Please Wizards, give us Counterspell in Modern..
But it will never balloon to Modern/Standard buy-in prices.
If it does take off, I hope WotC realizes that the limited format should, well, be limited. It won’t really matter how well a set plays in draft environment if you can find a home for ~40% of the cards in the set.
I think it's ultimately good for the game to have a format dedicated to common cards. The real question is if wizards will actually print some of the older commons people want. Also, it's fun being able to play in a format where Preordain, Brainstorm, and Ponder are all legal. Also I get to play with Counterspell instead of the watered down stuff they've been printing for ages.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
The irony. Pauper's selling point is affordability, and the attention being drawn to it has us seeing cards like an Apocalypse common Standard Bearer jump up to $3-5 each that no one would have ever looked at before. Appeal means profit and an opportunity to move cards that have been sitting around gathering dust for retailers, and at mark up. Anyone who thinks Pauper isn't going to get much more expensive than it is with it being a format where tons of Commons with only a single printing are played is wholly kidding themselves. We live in an age where some random card only printed once that isn't even played in Commander which has one printing will get bought out because of a janky bad combo came into existence from a new Standard card that won't even be played.
(Referring to Pyrohemia buyouts when Silverclad Ferocidons were spoiled. Same thing with Blowfly Infestation, Crumbling Ashes, Devoted Druid and others when Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons was previewed. The list of examples like this is quite extensive. Most of those are Uncommons, but that is not an argument of disproof against the point I'm making and fails to see the forest from the trees. The point remains: if a card with as narrow of an application as those will be bought out or even just simply marked up 1000%+, so will a Common suddenly in-demand that is a 3-4 of in one or more decks in a newly popular format. Cha-ching).
The irony. Pauper's selling point is affordability, and the attention being drawn to it has us seeing cards like an Apocalypse common Standard Bearer jump up to $3-5 each that no one would have ever looked at before. Appeal means profit and an opportunity to move cards that have been sitting around gathering dust for retailers, and at mark up. Anyone who thinks Pauper isn't going to get much more expensive than it is with it being a format where tons of Commons with only a single printing are played is wholly kidding themselves. We live in an age where some random card only printed once that isn't even played in Commander which has one printing will get bought out because of a janky bad combo came into existence from a new Standard card that won't even be played.
(Referring to Pyrohemia buyouts when Silverclad Ferocidons were spoiled. Same thing with Blowfly Infestation, Crumbling Ashes, Devoted Druid and others when Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons was previewed. The list of examples like this is quite extensive. Most of those are Uncommons, but that is not an argument of disproof against the point I'm making and fails to see the forest from the trees. The point remains: if a card with as narrow of an application as those will be bought out or even just simply marked up 1000%+, so will a Common suddenly in-demand that is a 3-4 of in one or more decks in a newly popular format. Cha-ching).
In the short term they will have a lot of turbulence, but even with masters sets being the primary reprint avenue for these cards, they get opened way more at common than any other card. Pauper wont be as affordable as it was in paper before it took off, but nothing really is. It's still going to be more affordable than modern or legacy.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I think the format has staying power. It's unique, lets people play with powerful stuff so it feels kinda like modern, and is generally affordable.
The issue I see is that turnover is slower because the impact of particular commons being introduced to shake the format up require specific draft environments. I get chainer's edict in vintage masters, but I have a hard time seeing it show up elsewhere. The legality is also not very fun to track for cards with only one rarity downshift in a supplemental product for new players. Yes there is gatherer, but it's not super easy to follow and there aren't many handy lists floating around like the banned list for modern or legacy.
I hope it sticks around for sure. CFB says they're going to have side events for it at every GP now. Hell the London side event had over 300 players. The demand is there for the format. It's one of my top 3 favorite formats to play.
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Standard: GR Pummeler
Modern: Mono-Red Control, Lantern Control, Eldrazi Taxes, Skred Infect
Pauper: Affinity
EDH: Gaddock Teeg Kithkin Tribal, Meren
Legacy: 8 Rack, Omnitell (Both in progress)
I hope it sticks around for sure. CFB says they're going to have side events for it at every GP now. Hell the London side event had over 300 players. The demand is there for the format. It's one of my top 3 favorite formats to play.
I think the big question is if wizards will support it in more than just name and actually print the commons in demand.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
The irony. Pauper's selling point is affordability, and the attention being drawn to it has us seeing cards like an Apocalypse common Standard Bearer jump up to $3-5 each that no one would have ever looked at before. Appeal means profit and an opportunity to move cards that have been sitting around gathering dust for retailers, and at mark up. Anyone who thinks Pauper isn't going to get much more expensive than it is with it being a format where tons of Commons with only a single printing are played is wholly kidding themselves. We live in an age where some random card only printed once that isn't even played in Commander which has one printing will get bought out because of a janky bad combo came into existence from a new Standard card that won't even be played.
(Referring to Pyrohemia buyouts when Silverclad Ferocidons were spoiled. Same thing with Blowfly Infestation, Crumbling Ashes, Devoted Druid and others when Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons was previewed. The list of examples like this is quite extensive. Most of those are Uncommons, but that is not an argument of disproof against the point I'm making and fails to see the forest from the trees. The point remains: if a card with as narrow of an application as those will be bought out or even just simply marked up 1000%+, so will a Common suddenly in-demand that is a 3-4 of in one or more decks in a newly popular format. Cha-ching).
$69 is the average cost of a pauper deck, in paper. A few outliers in there above a $100 and some below $30. Compare that to a ~$250 buy-in for Standard. Also, with masters sets becoming the norm, it will be incredibly easy to print cards that are in high-demand considering you won’t be worrying about hurting the secondary market price of a common card.
Sure, in the short term prices may inflate a bit, but it won’t stay that way. However, like every format ever, you will have sought after “staples” that will go for a pretty penny, but that is what this game is about.
The irony. Pauper's selling point is affordability, and the attention being drawn to it has us seeing cards like an Apocalypse common Standard Bearer jump up to $3-5 each that no one would have ever looked at before. Appeal means profit and an opportunity to move cards that have been sitting around gathering dust for retailers, and at mark up. Anyone who thinks Pauper isn't going to get much more expensive than it is with it being a format where tons of Commons with only a single printing are played is wholly kidding themselves. We live in an age where some random card only printed once that isn't even played in Commander which has one printing will get bought out because of a janky bad combo came into existence from a new Standard card that won't even be played.
(Referring to Pyrohemia buyouts when Silverclad Ferocidons were spoiled. Same thing with Blowfly Infestation, Crumbling Ashes, Devoted Druid and others when Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons was previewed. The list of examples like this is quite extensive. Most of those are Uncommons, but that is not an argument of disproof against the point I'm making and fails to see the forest from the trees. The point remains: if a card with as narrow of an application as those will be bought out or even just simply marked up 1000%+, so will a Common suddenly in-demand that is a 3-4 of in one or more decks in a newly popular format. Cha-ching).
$69 is the average cost of a pauper deck, in paper. A few outliers in there above a $100 and some below $30. Compare that to a ~$250 buy-in for Standard. Also, with masters sets becoming the norm, it will be incredibly easy to print cards that are in high-demand considering you won’t be worrying about hurting the secondary market price of a common card.
Sure, in the short term prices may inflate a bit, but it won’t stay that way. However, like every format ever, you will have sought after “staples” that will go for a pretty penny, but that is what this game is about.
That and I feel pauper prices self regulate better as if they climb too high people will migrate to another format, cooling prices on the cards.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I hope it sticks around for sure. CFB says they're going to have side events for it at every GP now. Hell the London side event had over 300 players. The demand is there for the format. It's one of my top 3 favorite formats to play.
I think the big question is if wizards will support it in more than just name and actually print the commons in demand.
Probably. I mean, masters sets could make this really easy to do. We already got a pyroblast reprint with Eternal Masters, not that one was really needed, some of the tamer commons could slip into new standard sets, and those that can't could just end up as draft chaff in modern, eternal, and iconic masters sets with few exceptions for those I think 16 cards that are pauper legal but on the reserved list (uncommon in paper and therefore reserved list but made common in vintage masters and other online sets which for the most part determine pauper legality since it began as an online format)
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Standard: GR Pummeler
Modern: Mono-Red Control, Lantern Control, Eldrazi Taxes, Skred Infect
Pauper: Affinity
EDH: Gaddock Teeg Kithkin Tribal, Meren
Legacy: 8 Rack, Omnitell (Both in progress)
Isnt the damage done though? It wont get cheaper than it is now, and prices only go up.
I mean it is a thing on MTGO, so is more 'official' than Frontier ever was, but if Wizards care's to keep it cheap is a mystery.
“Damage”? As in, finding a home for cards that collect dust 99.9% of the time?
Sure, prices will go up. You know what that means? So does the value of my collection. I would be shocked if buy-in prices for this format ever exceed $50 or $60.
Most of the decks have staying power, and the meta is incredibly diverse. Nothing to complain about as far as I’m concerned, it’s almost the perfect format.
I love pauper, probably been my favorite constructed format for years. It feels like you are playing a format with power level somewhere between modern and legacy without having to worry about reserved list cards or other $100+ staples. Even if the format gains a ton of traction I don't see staples going for more than $20 and there are just so many playable decks in the format that I don't even see that being a common occurrence.
Really anything that brings more love to the format I am good with. I have basically all the staples in paper already so of course I don't mind it getting a bit more expensive but regardless it is as cheap as any non-rotating format and will continue to be regardless of how popular it is.
EDIT: My tempo brethren from the modern subforums will love the tempo strategies available. The blue mages will just be thrilled to have all their best spells legal.
Even if--when--the prices of Pauper decks go up they still won't wind up being more than $150, which is still much more affordable than Standard. Just stay away from Oubliette, unless you already have it. For the same cmc or less, there are other, better options than that enchantment, anyway: Unmake, Pillar of Light (conditional), Complete Disregard (conditional), Journey to Nowhere, etc. None of those cards allow the auras attached to the target creature to come back like they do with Oubliette.
Right now I don't see any decks listing for more than $125 and, as others have noted, most are in the $50 - $75 range, which is less that some individual Modern staples and far less than many Legacy staples.
Will it become a big format? Not this year, even though its popularity will skyrocket. Every big event will probably have Pauper side events moving forward into the future, which is definitely a good thing.
I still have my set of Counterspell from Unlimited, so I was glad for them to see play when my LGS was offering Pauper on Tuesday nights (that lasted only a few months, though--sometimes being ahead of the curve fizzles out until everyone else catches up). Island, Lotus Petal, go is sometimes a good plan.
The bad part of pauper is that its still an "eternal" format.
Thats a plus for some, but its pretty much irrelevant for any new set, almost all the strong cards are either synergistic tribal stuff or just old spells that currently are ramped up to uncommon or even rare.
So it doesnt have a bright future, but for a time people might jump on the "hype" train that some unnamed youtube dudes spread.
Drastic increases in card prices are already visible and it just shows the terrible face of what it means to be a "played" format, which also means the bad decks will be clearly visible as inferior and if its some kind of tournament rather than just playing casually, you better dont run any other decks than the best.
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If they would make actual somewhat useful commons in standard legal sets, they could indeed make a standard pauper ; but thats probably just a very very newbie friendly option and hardly relevant as they ramp up rarity of so much cards that you just get the crap stuff in common.
If you happen to have some of the commons around, sell them now, profit from the hype.
But dont count on it to be meaningful in 1 year from now, its back to casual again.
The bad part of pauper is that its still an "eternal" format.
Thats a plus for some, but its pretty much irrelevant for any new set, almost all the strong cards are either synergistic tribal stuff or just old spells that currently are ramped up to uncommon or even rare.
So it doesnt have a bright future, but for a time people might jump on the "hype" train that some unnamed youtube dudes spread.
Drastic increases in card prices are already visible and it just shows the terrible face of what it means to be a "played" format, which also means the bad decks will be clearly visible as inferior and if its some kind of tournament rather than just playing casually, you better dont run any other decks than the best.
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If they would make actual somewhat useful commons in standard legal sets, they could indeed make a standard pauper ; but thats probably just a very very newbie friendly option and hardly relevant as they ramp up rarity of so much cards that you just get the crap stuff in common.
If you happen to have some of the commons around, sell them now, profit from the hype.
But dont count on it to be meaningful in 1 year from now, its back to casual again.
Really don’t know where to start with this one, or even if I should at all.
You just spit-ball this one? See what sticks? Like most competitive formats, not everything makes the cut. However, look at the lists that share a hefty part in the meta and you’ll find quite a few cards from recent sets. There are barely any cards that aren’t easy to come by, if that’s your “eternal format” gripe.
I mean, nobody says you have to play the format though, right?
Yeah, I wanted to respond as well, but you basically covered it. There is a ton of design space still open to a common only format and I generally find at least 1 card from every new set for my pauper cube. There are tons of strategies using tons of cards and even more out there waiting to be discovered. The post just seems like it is from someone who doesn't play or really understand the format.
So it doesnt have a bright future, but for a time people might jump on the "hype" train that some unnamed youtube dudes spread.
No one with any common sense pays attention to anything YouTube personalities, whether named or unnamed, have to say. Anyone who does decide upon a course of action based upon what some talking head in a video clip says, though, has demonstrated that they don't engage in much independent thought.
As far as "somewhat useful commons" in Standard...take a second look at the commons in Standard right now and some of them can definitely be quite useful. Consider Gruesome Fate in Elves. How easy is it to swarm the field with >= 20 elves? It is rare that that deck *doesn't* have that many elves on the battlefield. At that point, Gruesome Fate becomes a sorcery speed "you lose the game" effect. You don't even need any black sources of mana, either, since you can generate that from the Birchlore Rangers.
If your opponent is at the point where they are playing creatures which outclass yours then use Mutiny to take one of them out.
Only annoyance so far: Chainer's Edict is common... Trial of Ambition is uncommon... sadness fills my heart.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
EDIT: Nevermind, I have already found one.
Please Wizards, give us Counterspell in Modern..
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But it will never balloon to Modern/Standard buy-in prices.
If it does take off, I hope WotC realizes that the limited format should, well, be limited. It won’t really matter how well a set plays in draft environment if you can find a home for ~40% of the cards in the set.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
No, Wizards will never print the commons people actually want (at least, not the ones I want).
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https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/intro-to-pauper-finance
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(Referring to Pyrohemia buyouts when Silverclad Ferocidons were spoiled. Same thing with Blowfly Infestation, Crumbling Ashes, Devoted Druid and others when Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons was previewed. The list of examples like this is quite extensive. Most of those are Uncommons, but that is not an argument of disproof against the point I'm making and fails to see the forest from the trees. The point remains: if a card with as narrow of an application as those will be bought out or even just simply marked up 1000%+, so will a Common suddenly in-demand that is a 3-4 of in one or more decks in a newly popular format. Cha-ching).
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In the short term they will have a lot of turbulence, but even with masters sets being the primary reprint avenue for these cards, they get opened way more at common than any other card. Pauper wont be as affordable as it was in paper before it took off, but nothing really is. It's still going to be more affordable than modern or legacy.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
The issue I see is that turnover is slower because the impact of particular commons being introduced to shake the format up require specific draft environments. I get chainer's edict in vintage masters, but I have a hard time seeing it show up elsewhere. The legality is also not very fun to track for cards with only one rarity downshift in a supplemental product for new players. Yes there is gatherer, but it's not super easy to follow and there aren't many handy lists floating around like the banned list for modern or legacy.
Modern: Mono-Red Control, Lantern Control, Eldrazi Taxes, Skred Infect
Pauper: Affinity
EDH: Gaddock Teeg Kithkin Tribal, Meren
Legacy: 8 Rack, Omnitell (Both in progress)
I think the big question is if wizards will support it in more than just name and actually print the commons in demand.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
$69 is the average cost of a pauper deck, in paper. A few outliers in there above a $100 and some below $30. Compare that to a ~$250 buy-in for Standard. Also, with masters sets becoming the norm, it will be incredibly easy to print cards that are in high-demand considering you won’t be worrying about hurting the secondary market price of a common card.
Sure, in the short term prices may inflate a bit, but it won’t stay that way. However, like every format ever, you will have sought after “staples” that will go for a pretty penny, but that is what this game is about.
That and I feel pauper prices self regulate better as if they climb too high people will migrate to another format, cooling prices on the cards.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I mean it is a thing on MTGO, so is more 'official' than Frontier ever was, but if Wizards care's to keep it cheap is a mystery.
Spirits
Probably. I mean, masters sets could make this really easy to do. We already got a pyroblast reprint with Eternal Masters, not that one was really needed, some of the tamer commons could slip into new standard sets, and those that can't could just end up as draft chaff in modern, eternal, and iconic masters sets with few exceptions for those I think 16 cards that are pauper legal but on the reserved list (uncommon in paper and therefore reserved list but made common in vintage masters and other online sets which for the most part determine pauper legality since it began as an online format)
Modern: Mono-Red Control, Lantern Control, Eldrazi Taxes, Skred Infect
Pauper: Affinity
EDH: Gaddock Teeg Kithkin Tribal, Meren
Legacy: 8 Rack, Omnitell (Both in progress)
“Damage”? As in, finding a home for cards that collect dust 99.9% of the time?
Sure, prices will go up. You know what that means? So does the value of my collection. I would be shocked if buy-in prices for this format ever exceed $50 or $60.
Most of the decks have staying power, and the meta is incredibly diverse. Nothing to complain about as far as I’m concerned, it’s almost the perfect format.
UBR Sedris
RG Omnath, Locus of Rage
UB The Scarab God
RUG Maelstrom Wanderer
WU Dragonlord Ojutai
Really anything that brings more love to the format I am good with. I have basically all the staples in paper already so of course I don't mind it getting a bit more expensive but regardless it is as cheap as any non-rotating format and will continue to be regardless of how popular it is.
EDIT: My tempo brethren from the modern subforums will love the tempo strategies available. The blue mages will just be thrilled to have all their best spells legal.
Right now I don't see any decks listing for more than $125 and, as others have noted, most are in the $50 - $75 range, which is less that some individual Modern staples and far less than many Legacy staples.
Will it become a big format? Not this year, even though its popularity will skyrocket. Every big event will probably have Pauper side events moving forward into the future, which is definitely a good thing.
I still have my set of Counterspell from Unlimited, so I was glad for them to see play when my LGS was offering Pauper on Tuesday nights (that lasted only a few months, though--sometimes being ahead of the curve fizzles out until everyone else catches up). Island, Lotus Petal, go is sometimes a good plan.
Thats a plus for some, but its pretty much irrelevant for any new set, almost all the strong cards are either synergistic tribal stuff or just old spells that currently are ramped up to uncommon or even rare.
So it doesnt have a bright future, but for a time people might jump on the "hype" train that some unnamed youtube dudes spread.
Drastic increases in card prices are already visible and it just shows the terrible face of what it means to be a "played" format, which also means the bad decks will be clearly visible as inferior and if its some kind of tournament rather than just playing casually, you better dont run any other decks than the best.
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If they would make actual somewhat useful commons in standard legal sets, they could indeed make a standard pauper ; but thats probably just a very very newbie friendly option and hardly relevant as they ramp up rarity of so much cards that you just get the crap stuff in common.
If you happen to have some of the commons around, sell them now, profit from the hype.
But dont count on it to be meaningful in 1 year from now, its back to casual again.
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I think the over 300 players in the GP London Pauper Side event would beg to differ. http://epicstream.com/news/302-MTG-Players-of-The-Grand-Prix-London-Pauper-Event-Just-Gave-A-Round-of-Applause-To-The-Professor
Modern: Mono-Red Control, Lantern Control, Eldrazi Taxes, Skred Infect
Pauper: Affinity
EDH: Gaddock Teeg Kithkin Tribal, Meren
Legacy: 8 Rack, Omnitell (Both in progress)
Really don’t know where to start with this one, or even if I should at all.
You just spit-ball this one? See what sticks? Like most competitive formats, not everything makes the cut. However, look at the lists that share a hefty part in the meta and you’ll find quite a few cards from recent sets. There are barely any cards that aren’t easy to come by, if that’s your “eternal format” gripe.
I mean, nobody says you have to play the format though, right?
No one with any common sense pays attention to anything YouTube personalities, whether named or unnamed, have to say. Anyone who does decide upon a course of action based upon what some talking head in a video clip says, though, has demonstrated that they don't engage in much independent thought.
As far as "somewhat useful commons" in Standard...take a second look at the commons in Standard right now and some of them can definitely be quite useful. Consider Gruesome Fate in Elves. How easy is it to swarm the field with >= 20 elves? It is rare that that deck *doesn't* have that many elves on the battlefield. At that point, Gruesome Fate becomes a sorcery speed "you lose the game" effect. You don't even need any black sources of mana, either, since you can generate that from the Birchlore Rangers.
If your opponent is at the point where they are playing creatures which outclass yours then use Mutiny to take one of them out.
For all the naysayers, I remember when people scoffed at the idea of Commander becoming popular, and look at it now.