Of course, Wizards can't reprint the Revised dual lands due to the reserve list. Instead, they could have created decent proxies for Commander players by making functional (and humorous) reprints for their non-legal set Unstable.
Imagine this gangster inspired alleyway:
Name: Underground, See?
Type: Land - Island Swamp
Text: T: Add U or B to your mana pool. You may not have a card named Underground Sea in your deck.
Flavor text: "Psst, hey you. Want some dual lands? Special deal just for you..."
Or this film drama inspired tearjerker:
Name: Volcanic Eye Land
Type: Land - Island Mountain
Text: T: Add U or R to your mana pool. You may not have a card named Volcanic Island in your deck.
Flavor text: On this island, the mere mention of "Beaches" triggers an eruption of tears.
The trick is that you can't have both the Unstable dual and the Revised dual in the same deck. That way, people who DO have Revised duals can't overpower their casual decks with more copies of them.
If these were in Unstable, Wizards would sell vast amounts of the product. And would it really hurt the market for Revised duals since they're clearly not tournament legal? Maybe a little, but those priced need to take a hit (I say even though I own five copies of each Revised dual).
So, what other Unstable wordplay dual lands can you come up with? I'd love to see the art and flavor text for "Buy You", "Ton Draw", and "Bad Lands". Because seriously, we all know gamers who need to visit "Scrub Land" once in a while.
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They would have to find a way around the silver border issue. If they gave just those cards maybe a green border and made them EDH legal, that would be most excellent. People have come up with similar ideas before, but Wizards refuses to do ANYTHING
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Just print the actual duals (with the new mtgo art) as fnm promos, and watch attendance skyrocket. It would take a long while to get through all of them, so they'd see a long period of high attendance at FNM.
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Silver border cards are not legal in EDH. If you allow them, you may as well allow proxies of the original dual lands.
Pretty much. If they aren't tournament-legal, they aren't playable anywhere but the kitchen table, and at that point, you might as well just write on some old lands with a Sharpie.
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Cards are game pieces, and should be treated as such, easily replaceable.
Cards are not money, investments, or a retirement fund, and should never have been treated as such.
Wizards made a mistake caving to speculators once, and we still pay for that mistake 2 decades later.
"Entitled:" the entire ad hominem fallacy condensed into a single word. It doesn't strengthen your argument to attack motivations, it just makes you look like you don't understand the argument.
Silver border cards are not legal in EDH. If you allow them, you may as well allow proxies of the original dual lands.
Pretty much. If they aren't tournament-legal, they aren't playable anywhere but the kitchen table, and at that point, you might as well just write on some old lands with a Sharpie.
You know people would flip their ***** for FNM dual land promos even if they werent legal for tournament. People use all kinds of crap for EDH; silver border, gold border, proxies of cards they obviously dont own, etc. Unless you are playing competetive EDH, I have never seen anyone care about prior listed cards.
Your experience does not speak for everyone. Pretty much every thread I've seen discussing proxies is divided among people who all have varying degrees of how and when they tolerate proxies.
I only proxy cards I own because I don't want to take them out of my legacy/Modern decks or expensive things that I share between multiple decks, primarily broken mana. But if Wizards does nothing then in a few years there will be more passable fake Duals than there are originals still in playable condition.
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That was pretty interesting. But dropping a warship on me is cheating. Take it back!
I only proxy cards I own because I don't want to take them out of my legacy/Modern decks or expensive things that I share between multiple decks, primarily broken mana. But if Wizards does nothing then in a few years there will be more passable fake Duals than there are originals still in playable condition.
Does playable condition matter? Not trying to be contrary, I agree with your point.
It seems that aftermarket companies and individuals are stepping up to the plate. Got a worn out back or a card from one of the CE's? No problem, UltraPro's Eclipse cards have your back. Got a yellowed white border that doesn't match the rest of your black border cards? No problem, Bordifies and FitEdge will solve that. Did it go through the laundry? it was discussed. BCW fold over inner sleeves and book binding glue can probably hold together torn cards.
The range of products out there are simply growing all because Wizards refuses to print many playable cards for one reason or another.
I have about 1/3 of my collection double sleeved already, mostly in an effort to make many of them keep their condition for a little while longer. I'm sure a growing number of players are doing the same.
For the most part, I have mixed feelings about how the aftermarket sleeves have meet our demands as opposed to Wizards just printing the ones players are demanding.
I only proxy cards I own because I don't want to take them out of my legacy/Modern decks or expensive things that I share between multiple decks, primarily broken mana. But if Wizards does nothing then in a few years there will be more passable fake Duals than there are originals still in playable condition.
Does playable condition matter? Not trying to be contrary, I agree with your point.
It seems that aftermarket companies and individuals are stepping up to the plate. Got a worn out back or a card from one of the CE's? No problem, UltraPro's Eclipse cards have your back. Got a yellowed white border that doesn't match the rest of your black border cards? No problem, Bordifies and FitEdge will solve that. Did it go through the laundry? it was discussed. BCW fold over inner sleeves and book binding glue can probably hold together torn cards.
The range of products out there are simply growing all because Wizards refuses to print many playable cards for one reason or another.
I have about 1/3 of my collection double sleeved already, mostly in an effort to make many of them keep their condition for a little while longer. I'm sure a growing number of players are doing the same.
For the most part, I have mixed feelings about how the aftermarket sleeves have meet our demands as opposed to Wizards just printing the ones players are demanding.
By playable condition I mean something a judge won't fuss at you about
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That was pretty interesting. But dropping a warship on me is cheating. Take it back!
ABU duals are not in any way needed to play kitchen table magic. PLENTY of mana fixing exists already.
I see no reason for them to consume Unset card slots with manafixing that is only playable where it's not necessary unless that mana fixing is needed for limited.
The p9 aren't really needed in that scenario either; feel free to proxy to your heart's fulfillment. This thread is specifically for discussion of reprinting a very specific set of ten cards that are in very high demand in more than a single nearly dead format,
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They just couldn't put 7th edition into Modern because of the card borders? Seriously? Count me out.
The fact that the decks are degenerate unfun piles of counterspells?
The fact that the decks are extremely costly?
The fact that it has a lack of support from both Wotc & stores?
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Demand drives price for sure, but demand from players to actually use those cards in competitive play in that format is only a part of that demand. Demand among collectors is also high, and as is frequently pointed out in these forums, demand from speculators is often a massive driving force in rising demand for those items.
I spoke too harshly in referring to Vintage as "nearly dead," but i do have a point that it's not nearly as healthy as the other popular formats, and the Reserved List plays a massive role in keeping it from thriving as it otherwise might.
But we have other threads for those discussions, this thread is specifically intended for discussion of reprinting the ABUR duals, or ways to make somewhat functionally fascimilies with or without violating the letter and/or spirit of the RL agreement. Sorry for any misunderstanding i might have caused regarding that.
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They just couldn't put 7th edition into Modern because of the card borders? Seriously? Count me out.
The whole problem with the reserve list is that it means Wizard sort of validates that Magic cards should make for a good investment. As a player, I feel this should not be the case. I understand supply and demand does it's work in the secondary market and I enjoy seeing my cards being worth tens of euro's some even over 100 as much as the next guy and I like this aspect of the hobby, but in the end Magic is a game and the need of the game should always take precedence over the needs of the secondary market.
I would love to have a set of ABUR duals and I'd be willing to spend some money on it too given how good they are but at this moment getting one of each (revised, ex+) is going to set me back €1000. That's what I spend on Magic in total in 1,5 - 2 years! Luckily they are not super neccesary for EDH (which is the only thing I play) but I honestly do not understand why Wizard lets the eternal format slowly wither and die purely because of this stupid reserved list.
In the end, it's the people playing the game that keep Magic going into the future, not the cardboard investors.
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Because the p9 are Vintage only, while the ABUR duals are in high demand for Legacy right now, and i think Commander/EDH too.
Basically. Usually you're looking for original duals/fetches/filters/pains/shocks, with additional lands as needed. After that, you're going to start getting into taplands, which are less popular, but you can get conditional taplands. And tri-taplands are generally acceptable.
Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
Imagine this gangster inspired alleyway:
Name: Underground, See?
Type: Land - Island Swamp
Text: T: Add U or B to your mana pool. You may not have a card named Underground Sea in your deck.
Flavor text: "Psst, hey you. Want some dual lands? Special deal just for you..."
Or this film drama inspired tearjerker:
Name: Volcanic Eye Land
Type: Land - Island Mountain
Text: T: Add U or R to your mana pool. You may not have a card named Volcanic Island in your deck.
Flavor text: On this island, the mere mention of "Beaches" triggers an eruption of tears.
The trick is that you can't have both the Unstable dual and the Revised dual in the same deck. That way, people who DO have Revised duals can't overpower their casual decks with more copies of them.
If these were in Unstable, Wizards would sell vast amounts of the product. And would it really hurt the market for Revised duals since they're clearly not tournament legal? Maybe a little, but those priced need to take a hit (I say even though I own five copies of each Revised dual).
So, what other Unstable wordplay dual lands can you come up with? I'd love to see the art and flavor text for "Buy You", "Ton Draw", and "Bad Lands". Because seriously, we all know gamers who need to visit "Scrub Land" once in a while.
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Generally less than tcg mid.
Just print the actual duals (with the new mtgo art) as fnm promos, and watch attendance skyrocket. It would take a long while to get through all of them, so they'd see a long period of high attendance at FNM.
You're welcome
Pretty much. If they aren't tournament-legal, they aren't playable anywhere but the kitchen table, and at that point, you might as well just write on some old lands with a Sharpie.
Cards are not money, investments, or a retirement fund, and should never have been treated as such.
Wizards made a mistake caving to speculators once, and we still pay for that mistake 2 decades later.
"Entitled:" the entire ad hominem fallacy condensed into a single word. It doesn't strengthen your argument to attack motivations, it just makes you look like you don't understand the argument.
You know people would flip their ***** for FNM dual land promos even if they werent legal for tournament. People use all kinds of crap for EDH; silver border, gold border, proxies of cards they obviously dont own, etc. Unless you are playing competetive EDH, I have never seen anyone care about prior listed cards.
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Does playable condition matter? Not trying to be contrary, I agree with your point.
It seems that aftermarket companies and individuals are stepping up to the plate. Got a worn out back or a card from one of the CE's? No problem, UltraPro's Eclipse cards have your back. Got a yellowed white border that doesn't match the rest of your black border cards? No problem, Bordifies and FitEdge will solve that. Did it go through the laundry? it was discussed. BCW fold over inner sleeves and book binding glue can probably hold together torn cards.
The range of products out there are simply growing all because Wizards refuses to print many playable cards for one reason or another.
I have about 1/3 of my collection double sleeved already, mostly in an effort to make many of them keep their condition for a little while longer. I'm sure a growing number of players are doing the same.
For the most part, I have mixed feelings about how the aftermarket sleeves have meet our demands as opposed to Wizards just printing the ones players are demanding.
By playable condition I mean something a judge won't fuss at you about
**Legacy**
Grixis Delver
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**Standard**
I'll let you know if/when i go back to Standard. I hate pulling cards i can't use.
I see no reason for them to consume Unset card slots with manafixing that is only playable where it's not necessary unless that mana fixing is needed for limited.
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**Legacy**
Grixis Delver
16post
**Standard**
I'll let you know if/when i go back to Standard. I hate pulling cards i can't use.
The fact that the decks are degenerate unfun piles of counterspells?
The fact that the decks are extremely costly?
The fact that it has a lack of support from both Wotc & stores?
Selling some cards I don't want.
Generally less than tcg mid.
I spoke too harshly in referring to Vintage as "nearly dead," but i do have a point that it's not nearly as healthy as the other popular formats, and the Reserved List plays a massive role in keeping it from thriving as it otherwise might.
But we have other threads for those discussions, this thread is specifically intended for discussion of reprinting the ABUR duals, or ways to make somewhat functionally fascimilies with or without violating the letter and/or spirit of the RL agreement. Sorry for any misunderstanding i might have caused regarding that.
**Legacy**
Grixis Delver
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**Standard**
I'll let you know if/when i go back to Standard. I hate pulling cards i can't use.
I would love to have a set of ABUR duals and I'd be willing to spend some money on it too given how good they are but at this moment getting one of each (revised, ex+) is going to set me back €1000. That's what I spend on Magic in total in 1,5 - 2 years! Luckily they are not super neccesary for EDH (which is the only thing I play) but I honestly do not understand why Wizard lets the eternal format slowly wither and die purely because of this stupid reserved list.
In the end, it's the people playing the game that keep Magic going into the future, not the cardboard investors.
If my post has no tags, then i posted from my phone.
No one will ever need more than one of each piece of power. Some people might need 4 of a given dual
Basically. Usually you're looking for original duals/fetches/filters/pains/shocks, with additional lands as needed. After that, you're going to start getting into taplands, which are less popular, but you can get conditional taplands. And tri-taplands are generally acceptable.
It makes it fun to just Back to Basics or Blood Moon and just screw over the whole board.
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