If it were me in-charge of ditching the reserve list, I would leak/spoil images of an upcoming set with low-level reserve list cards on it. Let people speculate till they ask the question out right, then tell them the list is gone and the company will print the cards when and where they deem appropriate.
But as a company, I would guess like most of the other in this thread, X amount of notice and slow reprint implementation.
As a low-level (very low-level) player of the game, I wish they would just par down the list to the Duals and Mox. I see little sense to keep cards like Roc of Kher Ridges caged behind Volcanic Island. They don't even HAVE to reprint them, just let people know that they COULD....
That might be, but you are wrong about noone being hurt neverthless.
Also, while you don´t care about losing value, you also don´t buy expensive reserved list staples, if i get your various posts right. I do, because i belive in the reserved list promise. that might be naive, but it is a given promise and it influenced my buying decisions to this day.
I got a Gaea's Cradle, so yes I do have expensive RL staples. I definitely do not buy them very often, though. Usually I end up finding them in odd places like dollar store bins and places where people just don't know the value of them. So I suppose you could say I get them by means of a mistake on the packers part?
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
A lawsuit if far from a guarantee they ALREADY broke the RL years ago in the From the Vault series and there was no lawsuit. But to the point I would do it incremental. 1st I would axe the functional reprint idiocy. Then I would announce that for the good of the game and its longevity he list needs to be repealed. A dead TCG would annihilate the prices of the cards anyway. On a personal note if you invested in the volatile market of a card game then you really need to rethink your portfolio. Go into real estate as an investment for Pete's sake.
But i don´t demand special treatment. i just say, i did this investment, because the reserved list promise was given. Now, wanting someone to keep his promise is demanding special treatment how? Is it that unusual in the US to keep promises? Maybe it is different in europe, here we expect people to keep their promises.
The Reserve List is actually irrelevant in the collectibles-as-investment discussion. Collectibles are a terrible investment, regardless of any promises made, because they have near-zero intrinsic value. Therefore, eventually, inevitably, your collectibles will lose their value. The gamble you're making is that the value loss won't happen until after you cash out. (And, more importantly, that the value will be higher than what you paid initially when you cash out.)
Ultimately, you are going to have to choose between the reserved list getting axed or legacy continuing to die as people can't afford the dual lands needed to play.
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That was pretty interesting. But dropping a warship on me is cheating. Take it back!
Ultimately, you are going to have to choose between the reserved list getting axed or legacy continuing to die as people can't afford the dual lands needed to play.
To be frank, I'm finding any format that has individual cards costing over 30 usd to be fairly hard to play and that is with a well paying job. If they get a better online version of MTGO I think Legacy and Modern will be able to exist ad-infinitum, but until that point unless wizards stops trying to feed the secondary market speculators by making increasingly bad choices on selling prices for reprint sets, people are eventually not going to be playing with Noble Hierarch and the like.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Ultimately, you are going to have to choose between the reserved list getting axed or legacy continuing to die as people can't afford the dual lands needed to play.
How is that continuing to die? Continues to not grow, sure. But die? Fewer players? Limiting people coming in to the very rich limits the potential for growth, it does not reduce the activity of those who have the cards. If you assume X dual lands are out there, given the way people double sleeved, there will likely be (X- Y) next year where Y is a very small number of dual lands becoming damaged or lost, supporting almost as many players.
Even if every dual land cost 6 billion dollars tomorrow, or if the sale of dual lands to non Legacy players was forbidden, everyone currently playing Legacy would be able to continue to do so. In fact, given there are a small number of non dual land/city of traitors/other RL decks out there (burn, death and taxes, manaless dredge, merfolk, some versions of pox not running tabernacle, some Eldrazi lists not running City) it would only take a tiny uptake of those to account for players lost due to card wastage.
All of this assumes cards don't end up in collections or commander not being used.
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People with belligerent signatures are trying to compensate for something....
They would need some option of letting people trade in their cards for some current value price and then start reprinting. I doubt they would waste a bunch of capital on it though.
They would need some option of letting people trade in their cards for some current value price and then start reprinting. I doubt they would waste a bunch of capital on it though.
I think we already went over how that won't work.
And why should they? A Beta Sol Ring has a listed market price of $257 and a low of $99 on TCGPlayer. Yet I can pick up a reprint for about $3. Shivan Dragon is even crazier. Alpha is listed over $700 and some random Commander garbage is 14 cents.
If the RL was abolished within the hour, I would bank that any value lost for any of the P9 flagship cards would be recovered within the year even if they were reprinted at Common in the next six sets.
Wizards of the Coast will no longer be following a formal reprint policy (the "Reserved List").
When Magic was a young game and Wizards of the Coast was still finding its feet as the producer of one of the most popular games on the planet, some unfortunate events occurred that lead to a breach in confidence between Wizards of the Coast and its customer base.
Several previously hard to obtain cards were reprinted in Revised Edition, Chronicles and Fourth Edition, leading to outrage among collectors and players. To repair this breach of confidence, the reserved list was formed, were Wizards of the Coast promised not to reprint any of the cards on the list. Since the release of Mercadian Masques, no new cards have been added to the list, but neither has any cards been taken off. Until now. Starting with "Tossed salad and meatballs", reserved list cards will no longer be off-limits for consideration for reprint in any product, including in a tournament legal form.
The reasons behind this move are several. Firstly, as was already mentioned, the reserved list was introduced at a time when Wizards was a young company and great uncertainty among the public surrounded our ability to sensibly manage a collectible card game. That time was also fraught with several "bubbles" in the collectible market (remember Beanie Babies?). Those things are no longer true.
Wizards now has over 25 years of experience in running and managing Magic, and the game has gone from strength to strength. Over the past several years it has been shown, especially through the Modern Masters and Eternal Masters products, that it is possible to carefully manage reprints of highly sought after cards.
A large part of the problem in 1995 was that not only did Chronicles increase the number of copies available of certain cards by several hundred percent, many of these cards were artificially scarce simply because Magic was severely underprinted in the early days.
We believe that going forward we will be able to reprint previously reserved cards without severely impacting the collectability of old cards while still giving new players the opportunity to obtain the cards to play the game.
Another important reason for the abandoning of our reprint policy is the growing number and quality of counterfeit cards entering the market today. Since MAGIC 2015 rares and mythic rare cards have been printed with a holofoil stamp to help combat this issue, but old cards do not have this feature. It is in no small part to protect players, collectors, and the game itself, that we now move away from our old reprint policies.
It is important to realize that we have no intentions of immediately reprinting all the cards on previously on the reserved list. Cards will be chosen for reprints based on the card and product in question, and while some cards might find their way into a standard release, others might be a better fit as a masterpiece, or a Masters Edition.
This statement is not a promise to reprint any cards, it simply means that the option is now open to us, where we had previously decided that it was not. There were a lot of cards on the reserved list, and it will likely be many, many years before every card sees a reprint, if we ever get there at all.
Wizards of the Coast will no longer be following a formal reprint policy (the "Reserved List").
When Magic was a young game and Wizards of the Coast was still finding its feet as the producer of one of the most popular games on the planet, some unfortunate events occurred that lead to a breach in confidence between Wizards of the Coast and its customer base.
Several previously hard to obtain cards were reprinted in Revised Edition, Chronicles and Fourth Edition, leading to outrage among collectors and players. To repair this breach of confidence, the reserved list was formed, were Wizards of the Coast promised not to reprint any of the cards on the list. Since the release of Mercadian Masques, no new cards have been added to the list, but neither has any cards been taken off. Until now. Starting with "Tossed salad and meatballs", reserved list cards will no longer be off-limits for consideration for reprint in any product, including in a tournament legal form.
The reasons behind this move are several. Firstly, as was already mentioned, the reserved list was introduced at a time when Wizards was a young company and great uncertainty among the public surrounded our ability to sensibly manage a collectible card game. That time was also fraught with several "bubbles" in the collectible market (remember Beanie Babies?). Those things are no longer true.
Wizards now has over 25 years of experience in running and managing Magic, and the game has gone from strength to strength. Over the past several years it has been shown, especially through the Modern Masters and Eternal Masters products, that it is possible to carefully manage reprints of highly sought after cards.
A large part of the problem in 1995 was that not only did Chronicles increase the number of copies available of certain cards by several hundred percent, many of these cards were artificially scarce simply because Magic was severely underprinted in the early days.
We believe that going forward we will be able to reprint previously reserved cards without severely impacting the collectability of old cards while still giving new players the opportunity to obtain the cards to play the game.
Another important reason for the abandoning of our reprint policy is the growing number and quality of counterfeit cards entering the market today. Since MAGIC 2015 rares and mythic rare cards have been printed with a holofoil stamp to help combat this issue, but old cards do not have this feature. It is in no small part to protect players, collectors, and the game itself, that we now move away from our old reprint policies.
It is important to realize that we have no intentions of immediately reprinting all the cards on previously on the reserved list. Cards will be chosen for reprints based on the card and product in question, and while some cards might find their way into a standard release, others might be a better fit as a masterpiece, or a Masters Edition.
This statement is not a promise to reprint any cards, it simply means that the option is now open to us, where we had previously decided that it was not. There were a lot of cards on the reserved list, and it will likely be many, many years before every card sees a reprint, if we ever get there at all.
I can't see that NOT blowing up in wizards face. The promise is what keeps the whole thing aloat every one will want out at the same time and prices will crash and burn. Perticaulary for cards people are buying "just in case it goes up again"
They would need some option of letting people trade in their cards for some current value price and then start reprinting. I doubt they would waste a bunch of capital on it though.
I think we already went over how that won't work.
And why should they? A Beta Sol Ring has a listed market price of $257 and a low of $99 on TCGPlayer. Yet I can pick up a reprint for about $3. Shivan Dragon is even crazier. Alpha is listed over $700 and some random Commander garbage is 14 cents.
If the RL was abolished within the hour, I would bank that any value lost for any of the P9 flagship cards would be recovered within the year even if they were reprinted at Common in the next six sets.
Maybe for alpha and beta and very low print sets, but I am not so sure about other more printed cards. Most duels floating around are U and R these ones the "beater duels" would take the biggest hits, THese are the ones taht most people "invest in" or own becuase the orignals are too dam expensive (from their perspective)
By owning 51% of WotC stocks.
Nobody that matters (R&D, main distributors, largest stores, influencers) want the list to stay. And it doesn't have a legal leg to stand on specially considering the people with most to lost from "depreciation" would have to disclose that they've been hiding obsenely appreciating assets from the IRS for the past 20 years before they even present their case to a judge.
If it isn't gone it's because board room money wants it to stay.
I'd personally remove everything printed from Revised onwards from the Resserved List. Vintage can continue to be the elite format but WotC recovers a ridiculous ammount of design space and Legacy/Commander recover the ******* dual lands.
Given all the talk about unregistered assets and how some folks have now pointed out how easy it is for someone to gain control of a "market" in these games, I'm starting to feel like the two things wizards really has to do is stop it with the mythic rarity AND get rid of the reserved list. The RL doesn't stop players from playing with cards on it and those markets are being controlled by the hands of basically anyone with a couple thousand dollars in some cases. Gaea's Cradle is already unobtainable for a lot of players at 160+ usd and it's not like this is going to improve with time. And "mythic" rarity really just flags which cards are easier to pick on for the same kind of individual. More and more people are turning to the singles market over the sealed market for deck building thanks to the internet and there needs to be more effort put in to make it so the market can actually sustain and handle these kinds of buyout actions.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
By owning 51% of WotC stocks.
Nobody that matters (R&D, main distributors, largest stores, influencers) want the list to stay. And it doesn't have a legal leg to stand on specially considering the people with most to lost from "depreciation" would have to disclose that they've been hiding obsenely appreciating assets from the IRS for the past 20 years before they even present their case to a judge.
If it isn't gone it's because board room money wants it to stay.
I'd personally remove everything printed from Revised onwards from the Resserved List. Vintage can continue to be the elite format but WotC recovers a ridiculous ammount of design space and Legacy/Commander recover the ******* dual lands.
The Dual Lands are the main thing that absolutely needs a reprint on the RL. Most of the rest is niche, but the dual lands are universally useful.
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That was pretty interesting. But dropping a warship on me is cheating. Take it back!
By owning 51% of WotC stocks.
Nobody that matters (R&D, main distributors, largest stores, influencers) want the list to stay. And it doesn't have a legal leg to stand on specially considering the people with most to lost from "depreciation" would have to disclose that they've been hiding obsenely appreciating assets from the IRS for the past 20 years before they even present their case to a judge.
If it isn't gone it's because board room money wants it to stay.
I'd personally remove everything printed from Revised onwards from the Resserved List. Vintage can continue to be the elite format but WotC recovers a ridiculous ammount of design space and Legacy/Commander recover the ******* dual lands.
The Dual Lands are the main thing that absolutely needs a reprint on the RL. Most of the rest is niche, but the dual lands are universally useful.
The main problem is that they hit everything into Urza's Legacy, which was a horrible plan to begin with. The RL was okay for early sets like The Dark and Alpha - Beta - Unlimited. Doing it in sets like the Weatherlight block and up was a mistake due to all the new cards and ideas being developed that got caught up in the cross fire. We had weird stuff like Bubble Matrix, Winding Canyons, etc appear around those times and because they got hit into the RL those cards can never be reprinted, which is why we see such hamstrung designs now in our MTG sets. They had to literally do backflips and corkscrews to get new cards developed that didn't mimic old ones close enough to get people angry.
If they want to remove the reserved list, I'd just phase out the RL on the MTG Renessiance era and leave the stone age cards on the list. It may not solve the problem of dual lands being on the RL, but it would save the game and the player base for when enough time has gone by that even the Weatherlight saga starts becoming like vintage Alpha. We already have 12 dollar Anvil of Bogardan and 30 dollar Volrath's Stronghold.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I'd personally ban every reserved list card from any constructed formats. This way it still drops the prices of the cards without having to reprint them and all of the hoarders and investors can't complain as WotC never broke their weird 20 year old promise.
It doesn't hurt anyone to have the legacy cards reprinted. People will always desire new experiences and move on from old ones except for nostalgia. Legacy decks don't change much with time and just don't have the same draw that new mechanics and worlds have when playing standard. The vast majority of MtG players can not wrap their heads around legacy decks anyway. There are pauper decks that can literally stomp all over T1 modern decks loaded for bear and those are generally budget legacy.
Wrong. If you expect a reprint of legacy cards to drop prices, then it will hurt people like me. While i can affort to bind my money in legacy staples for the time being, i cannot afford to lose it. A little maybe, but not too much. Without the reserved list, i wouldn´t have put that kind of money into playing cards (which i got to play, nonethteless, not as speculation, but with the confidance, that they won´t lose a big amount of value overnight).
Thats why the reserved list promise is important to me. If it were broken, i would have to cash out, and probably quit magic completly (beside one or two commander decks maybe).
And well, some legacy decks are more complicated than anything you can find in modern, but the whole game and matchups become more complex, because legacy has a lot of good answers, and it is never a good idea to just ignore your opponent, while i think thats often the case in modern.
Referring to the part that I put in bold. I'm sort of similar situation.. would not have bought dual lands for legacy if the Reserved list was not there. My reserved list items are relatively small... only about 300$ total. But would certainly be angered if my 300$ became 25$ because of reprinting something they promised never to reprint.
Wow, you have a lot of good legacy cards. I only have 2 Taiga, 2 Plateau, and 1 Savannah - revised editions, got them at about 60-70 each. My Karakas already decreased in value due to a reprint, so obviously the same would happen to the original duals if they were ever reprinted.
As for Modern... still buying a few more cards there, because it's my favorite format right now.
The thing people are after is price stability, not necessarily the reserved list promise itself. The trouble with these card games is that it is very easy to control the market on a specific card often just to drive the prices at the expense of players. Even if wizards were to abolish the RL they have yet to deal with their own draft rarity scheme leading to easy third party price manipulation. Not to mention even if they removed the reserved list they would still have to reprint the cards to actually have any kind of price reduction in the long term. Even with reprints, there still will only be so many alpha Black Lotus floating around, anyway, so I'm not even sure if abolishing the RL would do much. The panicking investors would probably do more than anything.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Well, long story short the main problem with the RL isn't that it is keeping cards from getting reprinted: it is keeping ideas hostage. Even if wizards got rid of the RL they likely wouldn't start reprinting everything that was formerly on it. What would probably happen is newer rehashes of old cards would show up, such as a new Volrath's Stronghold that isn't legendary and maybe some low cost reprints like Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Well, long story short the main problem with the RL isn't that it is keeping cards from getting reprinted: it is keeping ideas hostage. Even if wizards got rid of the RL they likely wouldn't start reprinting everything that was formerly on it. What would probably happen is newer rehashes of old cards would show up, such as a new Volrath's Stronghold that isn't legendary and maybe some low cost reprints like Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary.
Can they currently print a non legendary land that has Volrath's Stronghold ability? Would that be "functionally identical form" if it's not legendary?
Nonlegendary would be functionally similar. But they can print a card with all of Volrath's stronghold's abilities but instead it cost 2B. There are very few things on the list that would reasonably be reprinted, most of them are too strong for current printing, or too weak for most creatures or simply not in color anymore(color shifted reprints are not functionally identical). There is a narrow band of cards being held prisoner by list that could reasonably show up in standard products. But literally no one who talks about repealing the reserved list(except Maro) has any interest in these cards.
Well, long story short the main problem with the RL isn't that it is keeping cards from getting reprinted: it is keeping ideas hostage. Even if wizards got rid of the RL they likely wouldn't start reprinting everything that was formerly on it. What would probably happen is newer rehashes of old cards would show up, such as a new Volrath's Stronghold that isn't legendary and maybe some low cost reprints like Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary.
Can they currently print a non legendary land that has Volrath's Stronghold ability? Would that be "functionally identical form" if it's not legendary?
As another poster mentioned, they can make a strictly worse one or strictly better one, but they can never make an exact copy of Volrath's Stronghold. It should be noted that is a very big deal, though. It's basically why they can't conversely make a legendary version of the original ABUR duals or cards with effects like Gaea's Cradle or Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary without making the final card either worse in some way or more powerful.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
What if, instead of eliminating the Reserved list, they just eliminate the functional reprint clause? The old cards would still be valid, powerful and worthwhile, but then everyone else would have the ability to buy the functional reprints for a fair price.
What if, instead of eliminating the Reserved list, they just eliminate the functional reprint clause? The old cards would still be valid, powerful and worthwhile, but then everyone else would have the ability to buy the functional reprints for a fair price.
If you're going to print brand new cards at that power level why restrain yourself to that power level. Make strictly better versions of every card on the reserved list, you have accomplished the goal of getting similar cards out there without having to touch the list. You could even make the strictly better part mostly irrelevant if you want to keep them closer to similar.
What if, instead of eliminating the Reserved list, they just eliminate the functional reprint clause? The old cards would still be valid, powerful and worthwhile, but then everyone else would have the ability to buy the functional reprints for a fair price.
Assuming we are talking about the things that wizards would most likely reprint in commander or someplace where these cards would make sense, the main issue is that it doesn't solve the actual problem. People want the cards that are on the reserved list with updated artwork and rules text. Take a look at Portcullis for example: "Put that creature aside..." is the kind of vague language that drives many players buggy. Does this mean that creature is in exile? Is it some weird zone not actually defined in game? And eventually this leads people to go find the oracle text. Also, wizards does not normally make functional reprints of older cards. They do make cards of different types that have the same ability, such as Ramunap Excavator / Crucible of Worlds, but that is about as close as things get unless it's a 1/2 flying bird.
Now as for Power 9, there is probably a snowballs chance in Hades that wizards will ever reprint those cards even if the reserved list got removed. They might do a promo from the vaults set with the p9, but it would be the most expensive FTV ever created in the history of magic.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
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But as a company, I would guess like most of the other in this thread, X amount of notice and slow reprint implementation.
As a low-level (very low-level) player of the game, I wish they would just par down the list to the Duals and Mox. I see little sense to keep cards like Roc of Kher Ridges caged behind Volcanic Island. They don't even HAVE to reprint them, just let people know that they COULD....
I got a Gaea's Cradle, so yes I do have expensive RL staples. I definitely do not buy them very often, though. Usually I end up finding them in odd places like dollar store bins and places where people just don't know the value of them. So I suppose you could say I get them by means of a mistake on the packers part?
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
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To be frank, I'm finding any format that has individual cards costing over 30 usd to be fairly hard to play and that is with a well paying job. If they get a better online version of MTGO I think Legacy and Modern will be able to exist ad-infinitum, but until that point unless wizards stops trying to feed the secondary market speculators by making increasingly bad choices on selling prices for reprint sets, people are eventually not going to be playing with Noble Hierarch and the like.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
How is that continuing to die? Continues to not grow, sure. But die? Fewer players? Limiting people coming in to the very rich limits the potential for growth, it does not reduce the activity of those who have the cards. If you assume X dual lands are out there, given the way people double sleeved, there will likely be (X- Y) next year where Y is a very small number of dual lands becoming damaged or lost, supporting almost as many players.
Even if every dual land cost 6 billion dollars tomorrow, or if the sale of dual lands to non Legacy players was forbidden, everyone currently playing Legacy would be able to continue to do so. In fact, given there are a small number of non dual land/city of traitors/other RL decks out there (burn, death and taxes, manaless dredge, merfolk, some versions of pox not running tabernacle, some Eldrazi lists not running City) it would only take a tiny uptake of those to account for players lost due to card wastage.
All of this assumes cards don't end up in collections or commander not being used.
I think we already went over how that won't work.
And why should they? A Beta Sol Ring has a listed market price of $257 and a low of $99 on TCGPlayer. Yet I can pick up a reprint for about $3. Shivan Dragon is even crazier. Alpha is listed over $700 and some random Commander garbage is 14 cents.
If the RL was abolished within the hour, I would bank that any value lost for any of the P9 flagship cards would be recovered within the year even if they were reprinted at Common in the next six sets.
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Maybe for alpha and beta and very low print sets, but I am not so sure about other more printed cards. Most duels floating around are U and R these ones the "beater duels" would take the biggest hits, THese are the ones taht most people "invest in" or own becuase the orignals are too dam expensive (from their perspective)
Nobody that matters (R&D, main distributors, largest stores, influencers) want the list to stay. And it doesn't have a legal leg to stand on specially considering the people with most to lost from "depreciation" would have to disclose that they've been hiding obsenely appreciating assets from the IRS for the past 20 years before they even present their case to a judge.
If it isn't gone it's because board room money wants it to stay.
I'd personally remove everything printed from Revised onwards from the Resserved List. Vintage can continue to be the elite format but WotC recovers a ridiculous ammount of design space and Legacy/Commander recover the ******* dual lands.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
The Dual Lands are the main thing that absolutely needs a reprint on the RL. Most of the rest is niche, but the dual lands are universally useful.
The main problem is that they hit everything into Urza's Legacy, which was a horrible plan to begin with. The RL was okay for early sets like The Dark and Alpha - Beta - Unlimited. Doing it in sets like the Weatherlight block and up was a mistake due to all the new cards and ideas being developed that got caught up in the cross fire. We had weird stuff like Bubble Matrix, Winding Canyons, etc appear around those times and because they got hit into the RL those cards can never be reprinted, which is why we see such hamstrung designs now in our MTG sets. They had to literally do backflips and corkscrews to get new cards developed that didn't mimic old ones close enough to get people angry.
If they want to remove the reserved list, I'd just phase out the RL on the MTG Renessiance era and leave the stone age cards on the list. It may not solve the problem of dual lands being on the RL, but it would save the game and the player base for when enough time has gone by that even the Weatherlight saga starts becoming like vintage Alpha. We already have 12 dollar Anvil of Bogardan and 30 dollar Volrath's Stronghold.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Referring to the part that I put in bold. I'm sort of similar situation.. would not have bought dual lands for legacy if the Reserved list was not there. My reserved list items are relatively small... only about 300$ total. But would certainly be angered if my 300$ became 25$ because of reprinting something they promised never to reprint.
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Wow, you have a lot of good legacy cards. I only have 2 Taiga, 2 Plateau, and 1 Savannah - revised editions, got them at about 60-70 each. My Karakas already decreased in value due to a reprint, so obviously the same would happen to the original duals if they were ever reprinted.
As for Modern... still buying a few more cards there, because it's my favorite format right now.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
As another poster mentioned, they can make a strictly worse one or strictly better one, but they can never make an exact copy of Volrath's Stronghold. It should be noted that is a very big deal, though. It's basically why they can't conversely make a legendary version of the original ABUR duals or cards with effects like Gaea's Cradle or Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary without making the final card either worse in some way or more powerful.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Assuming we are talking about the things that wizards would most likely reprint in commander or someplace where these cards would make sense, the main issue is that it doesn't solve the actual problem. People want the cards that are on the reserved list with updated artwork and rules text. Take a look at Portcullis for example: "Put that creature aside..." is the kind of vague language that drives many players buggy. Does this mean that creature is in exile? Is it some weird zone not actually defined in game? And eventually this leads people to go find the oracle text. Also, wizards does not normally make functional reprints of older cards. They do make cards of different types that have the same ability, such as Ramunap Excavator / Crucible of Worlds, but that is about as close as things get unless it's a 1/2 flying bird.
Now as for Power 9, there is probably a snowballs chance in Hades that wizards will ever reprint those cards even if the reserved list got removed. They might do a promo from the vaults set with the p9, but it would be the most expensive FTV ever created in the history of magic.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!