Are Invocations going to be considered equal to gold borders (as far as not having a black border)and be banned in tourney play?
EDIT:
I had an alternative motive to making this thread. I got a response from someone in the community that allowed me to pose the real question I had here, which I was unsure about how to ask initially:
From what we've seen, these don't have black or white borders and are currently illegal for tournament play (MTR 3.3). Like LimDul79 said above, there's certainly going to be some kind of update to allow these for tournament play.
Considering the uniqueness of these cards having no borders at all, I wonder if the rules currently making them illegal for tournament play are also the same rules making gold bordered cards illegal.
In updatung the rules to make their new cards legal, I would like for WoTC to also amend the rules to unban gold bordered cards from tournament play.
Since the gold leaf on the top of the invocations wraps around the edge of the card, the only means of making them "unidentifialble" or "unmarked" for play is by using a card sleeve.
Well if all it takes for invocations to be tourney legal is a card sleeve, then I ask why not apply this same logic and get rid of the requirement for black frames and just make the rules more specific about which sets exactly are not allowed for tournament play.
I don't see the point in having language about black frames being the reason for banning cards when you could just put a sleeve on the card and ir doesn't matter. I think some wording could use updating, specifically referring to the gold borders.
EDIT: It has been shown by Weebo that in fact the gold leaf along the top of Invocations noes not wrap around the edge of the card
Inventions are tournament legal, so it would be extremely strange, not to mention financially disastrous for the company, for Invocations to be different. I doubt that Invocations not having the traditional black/white border is going to automatically make them worthless. They are a lottery designed to move a great deal of product, after all.
At the moment, if you follow strictly the words in the MTR, the are not tournament legal.
But the MTR always recieves an update with each new set (because otherwise, the whole set wouldn't be standard legal). And I'm 100% sure they will update the MTR to make them tournament legal.
Assuming they work like previous masterpieces (and it would be bizarre if they didn't), the invocations will be legal in all formats where the normal printing of the card is legal.
all masterpieces have been legal in any format their regular printings are legal in, so they won't be legal in standard unless they have a regular printing in a standard legal set (Ie gearhulks or battle lands). The fact that they are in standard legal sets but not actually legal in standard caused at least one player to be confused at my LGS, although he was really casual
From what we've seen, these don't have black or white borders and are currently illegal for tournament play (MTR 3.3). Like LimDul79 said above, there's certainly going to be some kind of update to allow these for tournament play.
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From what we've seen, these don't have black or white borders and are currently illegal for tournament play (MTR 3.3). Like LimDul79 said above, there's certainly going to be some kind of update to allow these for tournament play.
Considering the uniqueness of these cards having no borders at all, I wonder if the rules currently making them illegal for tournament play are also the same rules making gold bordered cards illegal.
In updatung the rules to make their new cards legal, I would like for WoTC to also amend the rules to unban gold bordered cards from tournament play.
Since the gold leaf on the top of the invocations wraps around the edge of the card, the only means of making them "unidentifialble" or "unmarked" for play is by using a card sleeve.
Well if all it takes for invocations to be tourney legal is a card sleeve, then I ask why not apply this same logic and get rid of the requirement for black frames and just make the rules more specific about which sets exactly are not allowed for tournament play.
I don't see the point in having language about black frames being the reason for banning cards when you could just put a sleeve on the card and ir doesn't matter. I think some wording could use updating, specifically referring to the gold borders.
From what we've seen, these don't have black or white borders and are currently illegal for tournament play (MTR 3.3). Like LimDul79 said above, there's certainly going to be some kind of update to allow these for tournament play.
Considering the uniqueness of these cards having no borders at all, I wonder if the rules currently making them illegal for tournament play are also the same rules making gold bordered cards illegal.
In updatung the rules to make their new cards legal, I would like for WoTC to also amend the rules to unban gold bordered cards from tournament play.
Since the gold leaf on the top of the invocations wraps around the edge of the card, the only means of making them "unidentifialble" or "unmarked" for play is by using a card sleeve.
Well if all it takes for invocations to be tourney legal is a card sleeve, then I ask why not apply this same logic and get rid of the requirement for black frames and just make the rules more specific about which sets exactly are not allowed for tournament play.
I don't see the point in having language about black frames being the reason for banning cards when you could just put a sleeve on the card and ir doesn't matter. I think some wording could use updating, specifically referring to the gold borders.
The status of the actual Gold-bordered champion decks and that of Invocations are entirely unrelated. One was a product designed to get tournament-winning decks into the hands of players without the risk of flooding the secondary market, while each Masterpiece Series border is designed to be a unique trophy that sells packs to players hoping to pull them. While this is the first time Wizards has altered the borders so radically (and maybe the last, based on the backlash), attempting to roll Gold-bordered cards into this discussion is a shallow attempt to marry this with the reprint discussion. I would bet that, had the color scheme been silver instead, you wouldn't have campaigned to make un-cards tournament legal.
Since the gold leaf on the top of the invocations wraps around the edge of the card, the only means of making them "unidentifialble" or "unmarked" for play is by using a card sleeve.
This is apparently not the case. See this tweet. We'll see if the general masses agree with this once the cards are in wider distribution, but this is the best source we have at this point.
Well if all it takes for invocations to be tourney legal is a card sleeve, then I ask why not apply this same logic and get rid of the requirement for black frames and just make the rules more specific about which sets exactly are not allowed for tournament play.
The rules are already very specific about which cards are allowed for tournament play. Sets are listed pretty specifically and the list is updated with each new set release. See MTR 6.x.
From what we've seen, these don't have black or white borders and are currently illegal for tournament play (MTR 3.3). Like LimDul79 said above, there's certainly going to be some kind of update to allow these for tournament play.
Considering the uniqueness of these cards having no borders at all, I wonder if the rules currently making them illegal for tournament play are also the same rules making gold bordered cards illegal.
In updatung the rules to make their new cards legal, I would like for WoTC to also amend the rules to unban gold bordered cards from tournament play.
Since the gold leaf on the top of the invocations wraps around the edge of the card, the only means of making them "unidentifialble" or "unmarked" for play is by using a card sleeve.
Well if all it takes for invocations to be tourney legal is a card sleeve, then I ask why not apply this same logic and get rid of the requirement for black frames and just make the rules more specific about which sets exactly are not allowed for tournament play.
I don't see the point in having language about black frames being the reason for banning cards when you could just put a sleeve on the card and ir doesn't matter. I think some wording could use updating, specifically referring to the gold borders.
The status of the actual Gold-bordered champion decks and that of Invocations are entirely unrelated. One was a product designed to get tournament-winning decks into the hands of players without the risk of flooding the secondary market, while each Masterpiece Series border is designed to be a unique trophy that sells packs to players hoping to pull them. While this is the first time Wizards has altered the borders so radically (and maybe the last, based on the backlash), attempting to roll Gold-bordered cards into this discussion is a shallow attempt to marry this with the reprint discussion. I would bet that, had the color scheme been silver instead, you wouldn't have campaigned to make un-cards tournament legal.
I'm gonna try, I'm not ashamed for trying to get gold borders unbanned.. Been railing for it for a while on here
Since the gold leaf on the top of the invocations wraps around the edge of the card, the only means of making them "unidentifialble" or "unmarked" for play is by using a card sleeve.
This is apparently not the case. See this tweet. We'll see if the general masses agree with this once the cards are in wider distribution, but this is the best source we have at this point.
Well if all it takes for invocations to be tourney legal is a card sleeve, then I ask why not apply this same logic and get rid of the requirement for black frames and just make the rules more specific about which sets exactly are not allowed for tournament play.
The rules are already very specific about which cards are allowed for tournament play. Sets are listed pretty specifically and the list is updated with each new set release. See MTR 6.x.
I'm gonna try, I'm not ashamed for trying to get gold borders unbanned.. Been railing for it for a while on here
Oh, I'm not talking about your idea in general. It falls into the same category as people who want more reprints or want to take down the reserve list. Everyone has their own idea of how to make this game more affordable that our profit-hungry mothership couldn't care less about. Still doesn't make it relevant to a discussion about Masterpieces.
"It's not a Yu-Gi-Oh card. It's my sweet Masterpiece Vindicate!"
"If it's a Masterpiece, why isn't it in English?"
"Are you telling me foreign cards wouldn't be allowed?"
(Actually, funny story: At the time when I played Yu-Gi-Oh -- and all of my cards were in Japanese -- Upper Deck did not permit non-English cards at their tournaments.)
EDIT:
I had an alternative motive to making this thread. I got a response from someone in the community that allowed me to pose the real question I had here, which I was unsure about how to ask initially:
EDIT: It has been shown by Weebo that in fact the gold leaf along the top of Invocations noes not wrap around the edge of the card
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-general/334931-what-is-the-most-pimp-card-deck-youve-seen-or?comment=5361
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But the MTR always recieves an update with each new set (because otherwise, the whole set wouldn't be standard legal). And I'm 100% sure they will update the MTR to make them tournament legal.
Considering the uniqueness of these cards having no borders at all, I wonder if the rules currently making them illegal for tournament play are also the same rules making gold bordered cards illegal.
In updatung the rules to make their new cards legal, I would like for WoTC to also amend the rules to unban gold bordered cards from tournament play.
Since the gold leaf on the top of the invocations wraps around the edge of the card, the only means of making them "unidentifialble" or "unmarked" for play is by using a card sleeve.
Well if all it takes for invocations to be tourney legal is a card sleeve, then I ask why not apply this same logic and get rid of the requirement for black frames and just make the rules more specific about which sets exactly are not allowed for tournament play.
I don't see the point in having language about black frames being the reason for banning cards when you could just put a sleeve on the card and ir doesn't matter. I think some wording could use updating, specifically referring to the gold borders.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-general/334931-what-is-the-most-pimp-card-deck-youve-seen-or?comment=5361
Commander
RGOmnath, Locus of Rage Grenades! EDHGR
UWSygg's Defense, EDH - Voltron & ControlWU
BUGMimeoplasm EDH ft. Ifnir Cycling-discard comboBUG
WBTeysa, Connoisseur of CullingBW
BWSelenia & Recruiter of the Guard suicice combo EDHWB
UBRWGO-Kagachi - 5 Color Enchantments - EDHUBRWG
"Judge, my opponent has a Yu-Gi-Oh card in their deck."
"It's not a Yu-Gi-Oh card. It's my sweet Masterpiece Vindicate!"
"If it's a Masterpiece, why isn't it in English?"
"It is. Look closely."
*squints* "Those are "I"s? They look like "C"s. And what's all that extra garbage in the text box?"
"Heiroglyphs, man! Hieroglyphs are cool!"
"..."
"What?"
"Judge, I concede. I'm going to go play Yu-Go-Oh! instead. At least there I can read the cards..."
The status of the actual Gold-bordered champion decks and that of Invocations are entirely unrelated. One was a product designed to get tournament-winning decks into the hands of players without the risk of flooding the secondary market, while each Masterpiece Series border is designed to be a unique trophy that sells packs to players hoping to pull them. While this is the first time Wizards has altered the borders so radically (and maybe the last, based on the backlash), attempting to roll Gold-bordered cards into this discussion is a shallow attempt to marry this with the reprint discussion. I would bet that, had the color scheme been silver instead, you wouldn't have campaigned to make un-cards tournament legal.
The rules are already very specific about which cards are allowed for tournament play. Sets are listed pretty specifically and the list is updated with each new set release. See MTR 6.x.
Here's the confirmation from Tabak that there will be a rules change to allow these in tournament play.
I'm gonna try, I'm not ashamed for trying to get gold borders unbanned.. Been railing for it for a while on here
EDIT: Thank you for the clarification Weebo!!
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-general/334931-what-is-the-most-pimp-card-deck-youve-seen-or?comment=5361
Commander
RGOmnath, Locus of Rage Grenades! EDHGR
UWSygg's Defense, EDH - Voltron & ControlWU
BUGMimeoplasm EDH ft. Ifnir Cycling-discard comboBUG
WBTeysa, Connoisseur of CullingBW
BWSelenia & Recruiter of the Guard suicice combo EDHWB
UBRWGO-Kagachi - 5 Color Enchantments - EDHUBRWG
Oh, I'm not talking about your idea in general. It falls into the same category as people who want more reprints or want to take down the reserve list. Everyone has their own idea of how to make this game more affordable that our profit-hungry mothership couldn't care less about. Still doesn't make it relevant to a discussion about Masterpieces.
"Are you telling me foreign cards wouldn't be allowed?"
(Actually, funny story: At the time when I played Yu-Gi-Oh -- and all of my cards were in Japanese -- Upper Deck did not permit non-English cards at their tournaments.)
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