I'm sure this discussion is annoying to most by now, but I've never seen this idea yet, although I'm not sure if it would work or not.
My idea is Wizard would determine the current market value of all the cards currently on the reserved, before announcing anything. Then they would announce a buyback program for the reserved list owners. You can either get rid of your cards to Wizards, or not. To my current understanding, the only thing holding the reserved list from being did away with is collectors losing their investment into their cards. This way, collectors could get out of their investments and then Wizards can begin printing their cash cow, revitalizing the Vintage format.
Not exactly sure of the drawback, but for now all I can think of is the cost of this program. Would it cost Wizards a ton of money, or am I thinking there is more reserved list copies that exist than there is?
They have repeatedly said that removing the Reserve List is off the table, period. It's not the market value of the items or the fact that "collectors" are holding onto them. It's that they are unwilling to remove the Reserve List to begin with.
As has been already mentioned, the reserved list is here to stay. Nominally, it's because of an agreement with players and collectors that WotC feels it should honor. Practically, it's also about there not being business reasons to do this. Older formats aren't just hamstrung by the price and availability of cards; they're also hamstrung by color pie and format balance issues. Plus, WotC doesn't have financial incentive to fracture its player base even more by supporting additional formats.
Those of us that play Legacy (and presumably Vintage) would like for there to be more players and events, but even I have to admit that it doesn't make business sense for WotC to do. It's probably better for Magic as a whole that WotC keeps the reserved list, and allows Legacy and Vintage be organized, played, and supported by enthusiasts of those formats.
Playing millions of cards every turn... Slowly and systematically obliterating any chance my opponent has of winning... Clicking the multitude of locking mechanisms into place... Not even trying to win myself until turn 10+ once I have nigh absolute control... Watching my opponent desperately trying to navigate the labyrinthine prison that I've constructed... Seeing the light of hope fade and ultimately extinguished in an excruciatingly slow manner... THAT'S fun Magic.
We have 2-3 users that are dramatically making this thread incomprehensible and non-productive for anyone else to possibly join in the discussion. This needs to change.
Every time I see [ktkenshinx] post in here, I get the impression of a stern dad walking in on a bunch of kids trying to do something dumb and just shaking his head in disappointment.
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They have repeatedly said that removing the Reserve List is off the table, period.
They can't really say anything else. Even making rumblings about the possibility of thinking about altering the reprint policy could drive speculators into a panic. IF the reprint policy is ever repealed (and I'm not saying it will be), I would expect nothing less than "we will never repeal the reprint policy" right up until the day it's repealed with no warning.
They would have to sell more than 72.000.000 packs for that cost alone, not including the cost of printing.and they didnt make a single doller so far. I actually dont belive thats very likly to happen.
72M packs is only 333K cases. There may be that many LGSes in the US alone, and each store is going to be buying multiple cases.
Also, you seem to be confusing retail price for wholesale price in your calculation.
Also also, Wizards already made their money on the ABUR duals. They are unaffected by price changes on the secondary market.
Also also also, singles retailers may lose value in their inventory, but inventory that isn't moving isn't worth anything. You can't pay your electric bill in Tropical Islands.
My idea is Wizard would determine the current market value of all the cards currently on the reserved, before announcing anything. Then they would announce a buyback program for the reserved list owners. You can either get rid of your cards to Wizards, or not. To my current understanding, the only thing holding the reserved list from being did away with is collectors losing their investment into their cards. This way, collectors could get out of their investments and then Wizards can begin printing their cash cow, revitalizing the Vintage format.
Not exactly sure of the drawback, but for now all I can think of is the cost of this program. Would it cost Wizards a ton of money, or am I thinking there is more reserved list copies that exist than there is?
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As has been already mentioned, the reserved list is here to stay. Nominally, it's because of an agreement with players and collectors that WotC feels it should honor. Practically, it's also about there not being business reasons to do this. Older formats aren't just hamstrung by the price and availability of cards; they're also hamstrung by color pie and format balance issues. Plus, WotC doesn't have financial incentive to fracture its player base even more by supporting additional formats.
Those of us that play Legacy (and presumably Vintage) would like for there to be more players and events, but even I have to admit that it doesn't make business sense for WotC to do. It's probably better for Magic as a whole that WotC keeps the reserved list, and allows Legacy and Vintage be organized, played, and supported by enthusiasts of those formats.
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Also, you seem to be confusing retail price for wholesale price in your calculation.
Also also, Wizards already made their money on the ABUR duals. They are unaffected by price changes on the secondary market.
Also also also, singles retailers may lose value in their inventory, but inventory that isn't moving isn't worth anything. You can't pay your electric bill in Tropical Islands.
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