Larger card pool that also bans a few 'basically' basic lands because of a broken mana engine and deck archetype no one is willing to remove from the meta.
In this M15 forward environment, it would be Standard for it and then new junk. There isn't a fast way to fill the graveyard, never was. Gurmag Angler and Tasigur were good but not perfect for their time.
And the Madness enablers won't have an effect. And then, in the end, you're all afraid of an 8 cmc sorcery that only draws 3 cards. Boo. Da Frickidy. Hoo.
I'm not sure where the lack of foresight or lack of reading comprehension comes in but Treasure Cruise doesn't specifically need enablers. Control decks in Modern didn't need to play cards specifically to fill the grave for Treasure Cruise. Some decks did but most control decks simply enjoyed being able to play Ancestral Recall at sorcery speed as the game went on. Seven cards in the grave isn't difficult.
It's also important to note that your limp refrain of "you're all afraid of an 8 cmc sorcery" is a gross misrepresentation of the card. Treasure Cruise reduces its cost by 1 for each card in the graveyard. It isn't 8 mana unless it's the first turn of the game.
Thirdly, because there is a small amount of graveyard filling cards now, doesn't mean there won't be any later. Which is why I advocated that Treasure Cruise be watched closely.
I'm not exactly sure why you're so triggered that people suggest we shoudo watch a card that has been either banned or restricted in the most powerful formats this game has.
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Well, without turning this into a Treasure Cruise discussion the real gripe with that card is that wizards does not like a draw 3 spell at turn 3. They want the draw 3 spells to be at turn 4 and even then they usually want that effect to be only possible through some kind of deck specific synergy, otherwise they tack on other types of card fixing such as scry. However, I don't think they should ban anything when just starting a new format as they have no historic information to go on to do a banning. If some cards are rampant they should ban reactively.
My favorite part of the new frontier format has got to be the mana-base though. Finally, we get a format where there are absolutely no lands that are guaranteed to come into play untapped if they are non-basic. We do get a format that will make battle lands and Kahn's fetch lands extremely valuable, though. So valuable in fact that owning a playset of all the battle lands and the Kahn's fetches would be an important place to start if people want to play this new format, along with full playsets of the brand new enemy fast lands. (I know I'm in the process of getting all the remaining BFZ dual lands and the remaining fetches from kahns right now. Curse you wooded foothills!)
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
The format just seems... awkward. A bit unnecessary, as well. I could see it becoming a thing in the future, when Modern is too bloated and Frontier has a few more blocks to pull from, but for now it just feels like an odd middle ground between Standard and Modern that no one really needs just yet (aside from vendors). I think the biggest appeal right now for players is that it pulls from many different sets like modern but has a lower cost barrier. If the format becomes popular, however, the cost of the cards that are good in it are going to hike higher and higher. One thing that I personally don't like is that, if it becomes popular any time soon, it will drive the price of Standard even higher, as cards that are good in Standard are far more likely to also be good in Frontier as opposed to Modern or Legacy since Frontier has a fairly small pool of cards right now.
The format just seems... awkward. A bit unnecessary, as well. I could see it becoming a thing in the future, when Modern is too bloated and Frontier has a few more blocks to pull from, but for now it just feels like an odd middle ground between Standard and Modern that no one really needs just yet (aside from vendors). I think the biggest appeal right now for players is that it pulls from many different sets like modern but has a lower cost barrier. If the format becomes popular, however, the cost of the cards that are good in it are going to hike higher and higher. One thing that I personally don't like is that, if it becomes popular any time soon, it will drive the price of Standard even higher, as cards that are good in Standard are far more likely to also be good in Frontier as opposed to Modern or Legacy since Frontier has a fairly small pool of cards right now.
fetch lands ~ 15 usd each = 300 usd
Kaladesh Fast Lands ~ 5 usd each = 100 usd
SoI check lands ~ 2.50 usd each = 50 usd
M15 pain lands ~ 1.50 usd each = 30 usd
Battle lands ~ 2.50 usd each = 50 usd
So the total cost of the entire mana base someone would need for the new frontier format to play any deck at all would cost about 530 usd. That might sound like a lot, but keep in mind anyone playing standard magic at the moment probably has many of the lands already on the list. Also, compared to modern, this is pennies. I don't think I want to think about the costs of getting full playsets of any modern staple enemy fetch land when the allied ones from kahns are already as much as a brand new PS4.
Also, I did a quick check on all the cards and it seems like M15 is about where Wizards started the new philosophy on card power at given mana costs. Basically, Shock with an upside has been their take of the 2.5 damage idea to balance card power. They still are figuring out how to handle card draw and other aspects of the game, though, as obviously they don't want 3 card draw at three mana without some kind of downside, but there's enough new card draw options in the frontier format that it should be very easy to eliminate problem cards early on. Since this format is controlled by vendors they should probably consult a few of the pro tour testing teams on what cards from the past few blocks have been seriously problematic in the standard meta to put on a watch list. People on this forum alone have mentioned the following ones:
Oddly, I'm surprised we haven't heard anything from BFZ or SOI blocks yet.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
On another note, I think I'm a little underwhelmed by the frontier formats choice of end game options for bombs. They need to at least have some of the classics in the format like the Titan Cycle to compete with the more set specific bombshells from BFZ, Kahns, and Kaladesh. I don't think anyone is going to argue that the "Soul of X Plane" series was a bit underwhelming.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
On another note, I think I'm a little underwhelmed by the frontier formats choice of end game options for bombs. They need to at least have some of the classics in the format like the Titan Cycle to compete with the more set specific bombshells from BFZ, Kahns, and Kaladesh. I don't think anyone is going to argue that the "Soul of X Plane" series was a bit underwhelming.
Well, to be fair, the titans (and honorary titan Wurmcoil Engine) provided value rarely seen before or since. Given the format has a goal of downgrading modern's power level, Tarkir's legendary dragons as the new bombs symbolize that nerf. Not to mention, Frontier would nerf the answers in addition to the threats with the loss of Modern's best removal and countermagic. If players intend to strip away Modern's negatives, positives will leave with them.
If/when we get this "Frontier" Format it won't be until we have at least 5 years of sets to pull from. Modern had about 8 years of sets to pull from when it officially started, if this new format, whatever it may be called, started it best be started so it doesn't start off as a small Extended. As of now though you can already tell the power houses of this format, so waiting a bit longer to enable more types of decks would be good.
I am fully for this format, as Modern is getting incredibly expensive with almost no signs of changing thanks to their poor ability to handle reprints, most notably with the Masters sets. Of course there is a chance that a new format may only make cards more expensive, especially if they are played in multiple formats, like Collected Company. The more options the players have the better, especially in this poor reprint environment we've been stuck in for some time.
Please remember that Modern exists not to take away from Standard. The moment it is cheaper to buy into Legacy or Modern than buy Standard is the moment sales drop. Any new format would have to obey the same economics- Standard will be cheapest. The dream of a cheap non-rotating format that many people have will never, ever, ever happen. The best that can be hoped for is a slightly cheaper Modern.
Of course the fact that so many people want to play older formats that they have probably tells us something too. Wizards seem to think it is that people are fed up of having to pay big bucks for Jace du Jour to play Standard. I think that they have become so obsessed with making the game new player friendly that they have produced Blandard the Gathering, which is about as fun as a case of genital herpes for players of any long standing. Either way new formats are unlikely right now, unless they happen organically like EDH.
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Please remember that Modern exists not to take away from Standard. The moment it is cheaper to buy into Legacy or Modern than buy Standard is the moment sales drop. Any new format would have to obey the same economics- Standard will be cheapest. The dream of a cheap non-rotating format that many people have will never, ever, ever happen. The best that can be hoped for is a slightly cheaper Modern.
Of course the fact that so many people want to play older formats that they have probably tells us something too. Wizards seem to think it is that people are fed up of having to pay big bucks for Jace du Jour to play Standard. I think that they have become so obsessed with making the game new player friendly that they have produced Blandard the Gathering, which is about as fun as a case of genital herpes for players of any long standing. Either way new formats are unlikely right now, unless they happen organically like EDH.
Pauper is a cheap non-rotating format. Happens to be pretty fun too!
Please remember that Modern exists not to take away from Standard. The moment it is cheaper to buy into Legacy or Modern than buy Standard is the moment sales drop. Any new format would have to obey the same economics- Standard will be cheapest. The dream of a cheap non-rotating format that many people have will never, ever, ever happen. The best that can be hoped for is a slightly cheaper Modern.
Of course the fact that so many people want to play older formats that they have probably tells us something too. Wizards seem to think it is that people are fed up of having to pay big bucks for Jace du Jour to play Standard. I think that they have become so obsessed with making the game new player friendly that they have produced Blandard the Gathering, which is about as fun as a case of genital herpes for players of any long standing. Either way new formats are unlikely right now, unless they happen organically like EDH.
I do strongly believe that the Frontier format is what a lot of players want, though. Not for reasons of finance, but for reasons of deck building sanity and not dealing with hyper efficiency and pure good stuff cards that plague modern. There are still pure good stuff cards in the Frontier format, but they are far and few between compared to the plethora present in modern at this point. Also, I'm rather excited to play with deck ideas that combine the best of M15 and forward compared to having to delve into magics ancient history.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Please remember that Modern exists not to take away from Standard. The moment it is cheaper to buy into Legacy or Modern than buy Standard is the moment sales drop. Any new format would have to obey the same economics- Standard will be cheapest. The dream of a cheap non-rotating format that many people have will never, ever, ever happen. The best that can be hoped for is a slightly cheaper Modern.
Of course the fact that so many people want to play older formats that they have probably tells us something too. Wizards seem to think it is that people are fed up of having to pay big bucks for Jace du Jour to play Standard. I think that they have become so obsessed with making the game new player friendly that they have produced Blandard the Gathering, which is about as fun as a case of genital herpes for players of any long standing. Either way new formats are unlikely right now, unless they happen organically like EDH.
Pauper is a cheap non-rotating format. Happens to be pretty fun too!
Pauper is an organic format though- created by the players years ago (I played pauper variants over ten years ago), pushed only mildly by Wizards, and mainly online at that. Don't expect to see it at high level any time soon, it is not in their interests.
I still don't see people wanting to play an M15-on format because it will be too similar in terms of mechanism to Standard- all abou the planeswalkers and combat, and also because many people will want to play their Goyf and Lilly powered cards.
Give it five years and it may happen that Modern is replaced by a newer format, either by virtue of mass bannings or a new de novo format, but I doubt it will take off before then.
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I do strongly believe that the Frontier format is what a lot of players want, though. Not for reasons of finance, but for reasons of deck building sanity and not dealing with hyper efficiency and pure good stuff cards that plague modern. There are still pure good stuff cards in the Frontier format, but they are far and few between compared to the plethora present in modern at this point. Also, I'm rather excited to play with deck ideas that combine the best of M15 and forward compared to having to delve into magics ancient history.
This is the very fallacy that makes people re-invent modern/extended over and pover again. The thing is that with every non-rotating format, it's going to be dominated by the mistakes WotC makes every set. Witg time, the format will converge towards hyper efficient good stuff. For the moment it's CoCo, until they print some more broken stuff in other colors then this will shape the format. It's a downward spiral no ban list can manage.
I do strongly believe that the Frontier format is what a lot of players want, though. Not for reasons of finance, but for reasons of deck building sanity and not dealing with hyper efficiency and pure good stuff cards that plague modern. There are still pure good stuff cards in the Frontier format, but they are far and few between compared to the plethora present in modern at this point. Also, I'm rather excited to play with deck ideas that combine the best of M15 and forward compared to having to delve into magics ancient history.
This is the very fallacy that makes people re-invent modern/extended over and pover again. The thing is that with every non-rotating format, it's going to be dominated by the mistakes WotC makes every set. Witg time, the format will converge towards hyper efficient good stuff. For the moment it's CoCo, until they print some more broken stuff in other colors then this will shape the format. It's a downward spiral no ban list can manage.
What fallacy? When this format gets too efficient players will simply flock to a new one, as has happened about four separate times in the past (Vintage, legacy, Over-Extended, Modern). In 10 more years they will be talking about what comes after Frontier, and so on. Giving people what they want isn't a fallacy, it is good business sense.
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I do strongly believe that the Frontier format is what a lot of players want, though. Not for reasons of finance, but for reasons of deck building sanity and not dealing with hyper efficiency and pure good stuff cards that plague modern. There are still pure good stuff cards in the Frontier format, but they are far and few between compared to the plethora present in modern at this point. Also, I'm rather excited to play with deck ideas that combine the best of M15 and forward compared to having to delve into magics ancient history.
This is the very fallacy that makes people re-invent modern/extended over and pover again. The thing is that with every non-rotating format, it's going to be dominated by the mistakes WotC makes every set. Witg time, the format will converge towards hyper efficient good stuff. For the moment it's CoCo, until they print some more broken stuff in other colors then this will shape the format. It's a downward spiral no ban list can manage.
What fallacy? When this format gets too efficient players will simply flock to a new one, as has happened about four separate times in the past (Vintage, legacy, Over-Extended, Modern). In 10 more years they will be talking about what comes after Frontier, and so on. Giving people what they want isn't a fallacy, it is good business sense.
Many would argue that this proposed format is not what they want. I've gone so far as suggesting that there must be more on the table than price of entry alone.
I do strongly believe that the Frontier format is what a lot of players want, though. Not for reasons of finance, but for reasons of deck building sanity and not dealing with hyper efficiency and pure good stuff cards that plague modern. There are still pure good stuff cards in the Frontier format, but they are far and few between compared to the plethora present in modern at this point. Also, I'm rather excited to play with deck ideas that combine the best of M15 and forward compared to having to delve into magics ancient history.
This is the very fallacy that makes people re-invent modern/extended over and pover again. The thing is that with every non-rotating format, it's going to be dominated by the mistakes WotC makes every set. Witg time, the format will converge towards hyper efficient good stuff. For the moment it's CoCo, until they print some more broken stuff in other colors then this will shape the format. It's a downward spiral no ban list can manage.
What fallacy? When this format gets too efficient players will simply flock to a new one, as has happened about four separate times in the past (Vintage, legacy, Over-Extended, Modern). In 10 more years they will be talking about what comes after Frontier, and so on. Giving people what they want isn't a fallacy, it is good business sense.
Firstly, people want a non rotating format so they can keep playing their cards.
Other than that comes the concerns on price, card availability, tournament support and such.
If it weren't for the scarce or non existent reprints we wouldn't even be discussing this.
Good business sens dictates they'd print cards people want to play. And they've started doing that with EMA, MM and other supplemental products.
There's more to it than that as well. The card design has changed so that the power curve of m15 and forward is much lower than it was in past sets. Most of the power from newer cards is from synergy with other cards. This is not so in older sets.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
My LGS is going to have a small tourney and full proxies are allowed. I'll be trying either Atarka Goblins or CoCo Spirits and ill give results of it. The store is small don't expect it to be conclusive tough.
There's more to it than that as well. The card design has changed so that the power curve of m15 and forward is much lower than it was in past sets. Most of the power from newer cards is from synergy with other cards. This is not so in older sets.
Yeah well this shift happens once in a while, like a pendulum. Sometimes the power goes up, sometimes down.
If power level NOW is low, it doesn't mean it'll stay that way. Alara was low power compared to Innistrad for instance...
It's also important to note that your limp refrain of "you're all afraid of an 8 cmc sorcery" is a gross misrepresentation of the card. Treasure Cruise reduces its cost by 1 for each card in the graveyard. It isn't 8 mana unless it's the first turn of the game.
Thirdly, because there is a small amount of graveyard filling cards now, doesn't mean there won't be any later. Which is why I advocated that Treasure Cruise be watched closely.
I'm not exactly sure why you're so triggered that people suggest we shoudo watch a card that has been either banned or restricted in the most powerful formats this game has.
-Chandra Nalaar
My favorite part of the new frontier format has got to be the mana-base though. Finally, we get a format where there are absolutely no lands that are guaranteed to come into play untapped if they are non-basic. We do get a format that will make battle lands and Kahn's fetch lands extremely valuable, though. So valuable in fact that owning a playset of all the battle lands and the Kahn's fetches would be an important place to start if people want to play this new format, along with full playsets of the brand new enemy fast lands. (I know I'm in the process of getting all the remaining BFZ dual lands and the remaining fetches from kahns right now. Curse you wooded foothills!)
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Just my two cents.
Here's the reason I like the format:
Frontier Mana Base total cost:
fetch lands ~ 15 usd each = 300 usd
Kaladesh Fast Lands ~ 5 usd each = 100 usd
SoI check lands ~ 2.50 usd each = 50 usd
M15 pain lands ~ 1.50 usd each = 30 usd
Battle lands ~ 2.50 usd each = 50 usd
So the total cost of the entire mana base someone would need for the new frontier format to play any deck at all would cost about 530 usd. That might sound like a lot, but keep in mind anyone playing standard magic at the moment probably has many of the lands already on the list. Also, compared to modern, this is pennies. I don't think I want to think about the costs of getting full playsets of any modern staple enemy fetch land when the allied ones from kahns are already as much as a brand new PS4.
Also, I did a quick check on all the cards and it seems like M15 is about where Wizards started the new philosophy on card power at given mana costs. Basically, Shock with an upside has been their take of the 2.5 damage idea to balance card power. They still are figuring out how to handle card draw and other aspects of the game, though, as obviously they don't want 3 card draw at three mana without some kind of downside, but there's enough new card draw options in the frontier format that it should be very easy to eliminate problem cards early on. Since this format is controlled by vendors they should probably consult a few of the pro tour testing teams on what cards from the past few blocks have been seriously problematic in the standard meta to put on a watch list. People on this forum alone have mentioned the following ones:
Treasure Cruise, Siege Rhino, Collected Company.
Oddly, I'm surprised we haven't heard anything from BFZ or SOI blocks yet.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Well, to be fair, the titans (and honorary titan Wurmcoil Engine) provided value rarely seen before or since. Given the format has a goal of downgrading modern's power level, Tarkir's legendary dragons as the new bombs symbolize that nerf. Not to mention, Frontier would nerf the answers in addition to the threats with the loss of Modern's best removal and countermagic. If players intend to strip away Modern's negatives, positives will leave with them.
I am fully for this format, as Modern is getting incredibly expensive with almost no signs of changing thanks to their poor ability to handle reprints, most notably with the Masters sets. Of course there is a chance that a new format may only make cards more expensive, especially if they are played in multiple formats, like Collected Company. The more options the players have the better, especially in this poor reprint environment we've been stuck in for some time.
Of course the fact that so many people want to play older formats that they have probably tells us something too. Wizards seem to think it is that people are fed up of having to pay big bucks for Jace du Jour to play Standard. I think that they have become so obsessed with making the game new player friendly that they have produced Blandard the Gathering, which is about as fun as a case of genital herpes for players of any long standing. Either way new formats are unlikely right now, unless they happen organically like EDH.
Pauper is a cheap non-rotating format. Happens to be pretty fun too!
I do strongly believe that the Frontier format is what a lot of players want, though. Not for reasons of finance, but for reasons of deck building sanity and not dealing with hyper efficiency and pure good stuff cards that plague modern. There are still pure good stuff cards in the Frontier format, but they are far and few between compared to the plethora present in modern at this point. Also, I'm rather excited to play with deck ideas that combine the best of M15 and forward compared to having to delve into magics ancient history.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Pauper is an organic format though- created by the players years ago (I played pauper variants over ten years ago), pushed only mildly by Wizards, and mainly online at that. Don't expect to see it at high level any time soon, it is not in their interests.
I still don't see people wanting to play an M15-on format because it will be too similar in terms of mechanism to Standard- all abou the planeswalkers and combat, and also because many people will want to play their Goyf and Lilly powered cards.
Give it five years and it may happen that Modern is replaced by a newer format, either by virtue of mass bannings or a new de novo format, but I doubt it will take off before then.
This is the very fallacy that makes people re-invent modern/extended over and pover again. The thing is that with every non-rotating format, it's going to be dominated by the mistakes WotC makes every set. Witg time, the format will converge towards hyper efficient good stuff. For the moment it's CoCo, until they print some more broken stuff in other colors then this will shape the format. It's a downward spiral no ban list can manage.
What fallacy? When this format gets too efficient players will simply flock to a new one, as has happened about four separate times in the past (Vintage, legacy, Over-Extended, Modern). In 10 more years they will be talking about what comes after Frontier, and so on. Giving people what they want isn't a fallacy, it is good business sense.
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Many would argue that this proposed format is not what they want. I've gone so far as suggesting that there must be more on the table than price of entry alone.
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RGOmnath, Locus of Rage Grenades! EDHGR
UWSygg's Defense, EDH - Voltron & ControlWU
BUGMimeoplasm EDH ft. Ifnir Cycling-discard comboBUG
WBTeysa, Connoisseur of CullingBW
BWSelenia & Recruiter of the Guard suicice combo EDHWB
UBRWGO-Kagachi - 5 Color Enchantments - EDHUBRWG
Firstly, people want a non rotating format so they can keep playing their cards.
Other than that comes the concerns on price, card availability, tournament support and such.
If it weren't for the scarce or non existent reprints we wouldn't even be discussing this.
Good business sens dictates they'd print cards people want to play. And they've started doing that with EMA, MM and other supplemental products.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
My LGS is going to have a small tourney and full proxies are allowed. I'll be trying either Atarka Goblins or CoCo Spirits and ill give results of it. The store is small don't expect it to be conclusive tough.
Yeah well this shift happens once in a while, like a pendulum. Sometimes the power goes up, sometimes down.
If power level NOW is low, it doesn't mean it'll stay that way. Alara was low power compared to Innistrad for instance...