I plan on playing in the Hareruya Frontier Challenge Cup on Oct 30 if I can manage a deck by that time. I'll post results if I can.
Yes that would be awesome! Would you be able to post what sort of decks were brewed also? Im just curious as I am wanting to build a deck for this format also.
The frontier format sounds like a great idea, but it needs to be implemented with an eye for card selection and deck building in mind. We've been down this road before with just saying people can play anything they want from the past X sets with both extended and modern. Siege Rhino is perfectly fine and I totally don't get people bashing on it. Collected Company on the other hand is a complete mess of a card only slightly under the power of Treasure Cruise. Without the careful catering of standard it's totally possible to break that card in half with powerful value oriented creatures and we've already seen this with the domination of bant company in standard.
But yeah, the idea of m15 and up sounds like a good game plan, otherwise. I would have started at M14 or return to Ravnica, but that would include Voice of Resurgence.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Funny Enough, apparently the majority of decks weren't Siege rhino centered decks like some of us thought. The top 8 in the first week showed a lot of variety in the decks.
I like the concept of this format, and I'd be willing to try it out if it gets enough of a following. It kind of sounds like a new Extended, but without rotation. Personally, I'd try and make a three-colored Monsters deck, especially with Dragons of Tarkir and some fatties in Oath and Battle for Zendikar. I bet that the new Nissa and Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker would be fun in such a deck! I love Sarkhan the Dragonspeaker so I'd give him a try in Frontier.
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UBR Sedris RG Omnath, Locus of Rage UB The Scarab God RUG Maelstrom Wanderer WU Dragonlord Ojutai
I support this format and extended-standard too. The only problem: card prices.
Card prices aren't an issue for everyone. What's most important is balance, room for creativity and brewing, a good variety of decks, and enough of a general player pool. Same for any format.
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Well, they need to do a new format anyways that covers cards created under WoTCs new philosophy for card design. That and it gives the company a chance to really get control of the format and keep it playable, unlike modern, which has way too aggressive a card pool and many unfair decks due to poor management of the card pool.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I'm a fan of the idea, since it removes the over powered 1 drop problem that Modern has. No lightning bolts, delver of secrets, infect creatures, etc. It also removes storm, ad nauseum and scapeshift so no one card combo decks.
I do think m14 and Theros should be in the set though, because it would add a tron replacement in devotion and a tier 1-2 tribal in slivers.
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I don't know about that. Eldrazi and Devotion are mutually exclusive, which at least provides two major archetypes that are like oil and water. If Frontier doesn't have devotion Eldrazi are extremely dominant.
Eldrazi is made up of nearly all bombs, while devotion is pretty fragile. Compare Grey Merchant of ashphodel to Blight Herder or Reality Smasher. Garebear might be the better card, but it requires a lot more set up and there is only one of him. Eldrazi cards can be simply slipped into other decks and have similar levels of value.
I was thinking the same thing, but there are cards in M14 that are pretty pricey and the entire point of the frontier format was to make a new, affordable start point for players interested in playing an eternal format. Ultimately the cycle will continue with these formats since the design space will change over the next decade just like it did with modern, but it is kind of needed as having cards from print runs no where near as robust as those of today is making card availability difficult in many cases.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I like the concept, I always have. I just really think they'd need to do some reprinting of potential power cards and staples to keep the barrier of entry low. If people see that there's a new format but the average deck price is still quite high, many will just play Modern instead because why not? If they're going to be buying an expensive deck why not buy it for a format that is already established that they know is going to continue to be supported and played widely rather than this new format that could die just like Tiny Leaders? Then it all snowballs until no one plays at all.
If Frontier is going to have any hope of survival outside of Japan, keeping its cost a lot lower than that of Modern is going to be a must. Price isn't an issue for everyone but it is an issue for a lot of people. Most people. If your format has a high price wall from the get-go, less people are going to be able to play it. That's a teensy bit of a problem when you're just trying to get off the ground.
If WOTC wanted to officially support this, I would enjoy them printing a Modern Master's type set to kick off the format containing the creme de la crème of M15 and forwards cards to give players a baseline for the format and an easy access point. Plus, it gives them an opportunity to sell more product. They could give it a snappy name like New Frontier.
The second important pillar is obviously balance. Some cards need to been kept under close watch from the start, like Treasure Cruise and Collected Company.
Sounds like an incredibly boring format. Really there's only so many formats that can be supported at a given time you can't keep dividing random time frames just because cost is 'too expensive' for some. If they try this as an official format it'll just further divide the player base.
So true... Yes I agree that if Frontier is to survive and become the format that most people can afford then WoTC need to reprint more and make cards that become staples for accessible. If WotC did a Masters' for this format it would kill it, premium prices for a booster doesn't incentivise many players to buy the product and has little effect on secondary market. Banning this early would be crazy, maybe wait another 2 years and let's see how things are going. Anyways, I'm really excited for this format to break through.
The part I like most about Frontier is that it finally puts to death all the cheap, super strait foward good cards that are relatively common across the earlier parts of modern. The entire foundation of Burn is basically one cmc 3 damage without downside spells, for example. There's also many other examples of bad designs like phyrexian mana in general that are getting put to the sword by this new format. People can complain about Treasure Cruise unbanning all they want, but the good far outweighs the bad setting a cut off at m15.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I feel like my biggest issue now is that people think it'll be a much cheaper alternative to modern. I mean yeah I guess the cards would be more available but there would be more of a demand for them. I can see it having a similar effect on prices as standard would.
I'll admit to being wrong if someone can explain to me a good point
Larger card pool that also bans a few 'basically' basic lands because of a broken mana engine and deck archetype no one is willing to remove from the meta.
In this M15 forward environment, it would be Standard for it and then new junk. There isn't a fast way to fill the graveyard, never was. Gurmag Angler and Tasigur were good but not perfect for their time.
And the Madness enablers won't have an effect. And then, in the end, you're all afraid of an 8 cmc sorcery that only draws 3 cards. Boo. Da Frickidy. Hoo.
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Wanted -Zombie Foils and older expensive Zombie stuff. High Priority- Beta Z Master/ Int. Collector's Edition.
You are giving too much credit to the distributors (this is apparently their brainchild?), they don't care about rewarding players
they care about sales.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-general/334931-what-is-the-most-pimp-card-deck-youve-seen-or?comment=5361
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RGOmnath, Locus of Rage Grenades! EDHGR
UWSygg's Defense, EDH - Voltron & ControlWU
BUGMimeoplasm EDH ft. Ifnir Cycling-discard comboBUG
WBTeysa, Connoisseur of CullingBW
BWSelenia & Recruiter of the Guard suicice combo EDHWB
UBRWGO-Kagachi - 5 Color Enchantments - EDHUBRWG
Yes that would be awesome! Would you be able to post what sort of decks were brewed also? Im just curious as I am wanting to build a deck for this format also.
EDH
Roon of the Hidden Realms UGW
Modern
UW TronUW
Blocks Constructed
KamigawaU|Return to RavnicaUW|TherosUWG
But yeah, the idea of m15 and up sounds like a good game plan, otherwise. I would have started at M14 or return to Ravnica, but that would include Voice of Resurgence.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Funny Enough, apparently the majority of decks weren't Siege rhino centered decks like some of us thought. The top 8 in the first week showed a lot of variety in the decks.
EDH
Roon of the Hidden Realms UGW
Modern
UW TronUW
Blocks Constructed
KamigawaU|Return to RavnicaUW|TherosUWG
UBR Sedris
RG Omnath, Locus of Rage
UB The Scarab God
RUG Maelstrom Wanderer
WU Dragonlord Ojutai
Card prices aren't an issue for everyone. What's most important is balance, room for creativity and brewing, a good variety of decks, and enough of a general player pool. Same for any format.
UBR Sedris
RG Omnath, Locus of Rage
UB The Scarab God
RUG Maelstrom Wanderer
WU Dragonlord Ojutai
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I do think m14 and Theros should be in the set though, because it would add a tron replacement in devotion and a tier 1-2 tribal in slivers.
UB Wight Phantasm
RB Burn
UR Faerie Rites of Initiation
Legacy:
R Burn
CG-Post
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Bring to Niv
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Legacy - Lands
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Eldrazi is made up of nearly all bombs, while devotion is pretty fragile. Compare Grey Merchant of ashphodel to Blight Herder or Reality Smasher. Garebear might be the better card, but it requires a lot more set up and there is only one of him. Eldrazi cards can be simply slipped into other decks and have similar levels of value.
UB Wight Phantasm
RB Burn
UR Faerie Rites of Initiation
Legacy:
R Burn
CG-Post
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
If Frontier is going to have any hope of survival outside of Japan, keeping its cost a lot lower than that of Modern is going to be a must. Price isn't an issue for everyone but it is an issue for a lot of people. Most people. If your format has a high price wall from the get-go, less people are going to be able to play it. That's a teensy bit of a problem when you're just trying to get off the ground.
If WOTC wanted to officially support this, I would enjoy them printing a Modern Master's type set to kick off the format containing the creme de la crème of M15 and forwards cards to give players a baseline for the format and an easy access point. Plus, it gives them an opportunity to sell more product. They could give it a snappy name like New Frontier.
The second important pillar is obviously balance. Some cards need to been kept under close watch from the start, like Treasure Cruise and Collected Company.
-Chandra Nalaar
Selling some cards I don't want.
Generally less than tcg mid.
EDH
Roon of the Hidden Realms UGW
Modern
UW TronUW
Blocks Constructed
KamigawaU|Return to RavnicaUW|TherosUWG
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I'll admit to being wrong if someone can explain to me a good point
-Chandra Nalaar
In this M15 forward environment, it would be Standard for it and then new junk. There isn't a fast way to fill the graveyard, never was. Gurmag Angler and Tasigur were good but not perfect for their time.
And the Madness enablers won't have an effect. And then, in the end, you're all afraid of an 8 cmc sorcery that only draws 3 cards. Boo. Da Frickidy. Hoo.
Selling some cards I don't want.
Generally less than tcg mid.