Well, I thought Jace was going to skyrocket back to the 70 usd mark, but it seems like Fatal Push may have put an end to his inexorable climb. Ugin and Torrential Gearhulk went up, though. The first is probably modern tron, but the later is definitely from Frontier. I think the top placing deck was sultai delirium.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
You sure thats not just Standard and Timmy players?
Ulamog spiked too, I should go sell him...
It's both for Torrential Gearhulk. That card does a lot of work right now and given we may be heading into a walker heavy standard we may see a lot more gearhulks in the coming pro-tour. I'm not really sure what they can flash back to stop a resolved walker, though. The worst ones in the coming format are going to be Saheeli Rai, Gideon, Ally of Zendikar, and Liliana, The Last Hope, which are all coming down too early to effectively snap back a counter spell for. If Hero's Downfall were in the format that would be an option, but right now it's Ruinous Path and Anguished Unmaking with only the later one accessible with hulk.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
In Japan, basicly. I haven´t seen it anywhere in germany so far, and have seen no big events for the rest of europe.
Japan and the US are the two major places currently playing frontier, but it will probably spread about more as the card pool grows and people want to get into a non-rotating format. I personally enjoy it with friends and sort of prefer it to standard at the moment. Right now Frontier is poised pretty much to keep growing because of the paywall on modern being so high. Meanwhile modern is basically as big as it's going to get and probably start dipping as time goes by if the support for it is as lackluster as it has been the last few years.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
In Japan, basicly. I haven´t seen it anywhere in germany so far, and have seen no big events for the rest of europe.
Japan and the US are the two major places currently playing frontier, but it will probably spread about more as the card pool grows and people want to get into a non-rotating format. I personally enjoy it with friends and sort of prefer it to standard at the moment. Right now Frontier is poised pretty much to keep growing because of the paywall on modern being so high. Meanwhile modern is basically as big as it's going to get and probably start dipping as time goes by if the support for it is as lackluster as it has been the last few years.
Doubtful, one has Wizards support, the other does not.
In Japan, basicly. I haven´t seen it anywhere in germany so far, and have seen no big events for the rest of europe.
Japan and the US are the two major places currently playing frontier, but it will probably spread about more as the card pool grows and people want to get into a non-rotating format. I personally enjoy it with friends and sort of prefer it to standard at the moment. Right now Frontier is poised pretty much to keep growing because of the paywall on modern being so high. Meanwhile modern is basically as big as it's going to get and probably start dipping as time goes by if the support for it is as lackluster as it has been the last few years.
Where in the US, exactly, is this format popular? Player at my LGS, which is a fairly large one in the San Diego area, consider the format to be a punchline that contains the worst elements of standard from the last few years. We get a lot of military members who pass through the city, so attendees come from all over the country.
My LGS in LA area is hosting Frontier. However, I don't see much enthusiasm from most of the players there.
There isn't much enthusiasm for Magic right now across the board and the recent bannings have been rather polarizing to say the least.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
In Japan, basicly. I haven´t seen it anywhere in germany so far, and have seen no big events for the rest of europe.
Japan and the US are the two major places currently playing frontier, but it will probably spread about more as the card pool grows and people want to get into a non-rotating format. I personally enjoy it with friends and sort of prefer it to standard at the moment. Right now Frontier is poised pretty much to keep growing because of the paywall on modern being so high. Meanwhile modern is basically as big as it's going to get and probably start dipping as time goes by if the support for it is as lackluster as it has been the last few years.
Where in the US, exactly, is this format popular? Player at my LGS, which is a fairly large one in the San Diego area, consider the format to be a punchline that contains the worst elements of standard from the last few years. We get a lot of military members who pass through the city, so attendees come from all over the country.
In Illinois there are a few frontier games going. I'm not expecting break out numbers on a new format that basically looks like extended, just that newer players like it more than the ones who already have modern collections because it is easier to get into. That's going to eventually lead it or another similar format to overtake modern unless Wizards does something drastically different. Not to mention modern started similarly to Frontier as well with Legacy players basically saying the same exact things that modern players are saying about frontier. So the wheel continues to turn.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I think the prospects for Frontier are markedly better than Extended. When Extended got the axe it was because Modern had supplanted it. Since then, however, support for Modern by way of robust and aggressive reprinting of staples hasn't really happened. I think this is why it's not the flash in the pan that, say, Tiny Leaders was.
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I think the prospects for Frontier are markedly better than Extended. When Extended got the axe it was because Modern had supplanted it. Since then, however, support for Modern by way of robust and aggressive reprinting of staples hasn't really happened. I think this is why it's not the flash in the pan that, say, Tiny Leaders was.
That's my own feeling. We're basically seeing the exact same pattern that happened when Legacy -> Modern happened, and if the Modern Forums are any indication that includes the incessant doomsayer talk and wishful thinking of that crowd that the new non-rotating format will just poof into non-existence so they can buy things cheaper. For some reason I'm laughing inside.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
So anyone know when we will get an official frontier forum section? They are running it at the GP now so I'm assuming that qualifies? Otherwise I'm not sure where deck techs and other stuff are going to go.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
There isn't enough sets to make it diversed and stand out. Really pisses me off that alot of card got their prices increased by this. yes people said it and i started to agreed. This intense push might end up hurting the format and the players consenquetly.
What ever ill play it casually and stick with the best format(EDh) anwyays.
There isn't enough sets to make it diversed and stand out. Really pisses me off that alot of card got their prices increased by this. yes people said it and i started to agreed. This intense push might end up hurting the format and the players consenquetly.
What ever ill play it casually and stick with the best format(EDh) anwyays.
What is powering frontier is the perception of what the format is and will bring to the table, as well as the fact that many players were expecting a modern 2.0 to be coming eventually anyway. In the short term Frontier will probably hurt prices a bit for modern and standard, but long term if the format does pick up and become modern 2.0, then wizards will likely rework the existing formats to probably create a non-reserved list eternal format where all the other cards can reside, so basically legacy eats the old modern and loses the reserved list legality kind of format. I doubt the name "frontier" will stick around, though.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
And why should wizards do that? What should be their motivation? how would that make them more money?
I'm kind of confused why you are concerned about them making more money...
1) They aren't making any more money than they already are on card products regardless of what they do, and in reality they are in that slow bumpy decline stage much like how World of Warcraft was after Wrath of the lich King (so you'll see upswings each expansion release, but the actual total player base on average is decreasing when you look at the median line). The point of restructuring the formats is to address issues in the card pool from the reserve list and the complaints of lack of answers in the current modern format. By making an eternal format that removes the reserve list from legality they have a singular format of cards they can support through commander and eternal masters reprints.
2) they have to do this because with post modern they would then have standard, post modern, modern, and legacy / commander to support and they already have too many product lines competing with each other. Restructuring makes it so they keep with three big targets: Standard, Post Modern, and Eternal.
As for what will make Wizards more money, it's not MTG cards. They have to go and branch into video games or tap into some other audience than the TCG player base because that player base is tapped out and in a slow, inexorable decline that hopefully will level out. That's why they ultimately got a new CEO that is big on video games and taking the card game into the digital age. The hope is that if they make a better and more accessible MTGO that it will boost revenue and act as another pillar to stand on in case paper magic starts really going down into the pits.
As for how this all relates to frontier, again frontier is powered by the perception of being that post modern 2.0. If the popularity of the format keeps up wizards will likely just make it the 2.0 post modern format and the ball will start rolling a little earlier than what the company probably planned.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I think they will support it eventually. The truth is they are in desperate need of information regarding what works and what doesn't work and given the limited ways they seem to actually gather information (mostly sales numbers since they don't seem to pay ANY attention to the forums or reddit. My gods would we be in a different happier universe if they did), they can use frontier to gauge what standard sets and blocks are hitting the right buttons with their audience. It's deathly obvious right now that Kaladesh standard isn't popular as the older standard even with problem cards like Become Immense and Dig Through Time with a sizable group of players, and they can use this to figure out how to make standard more popular and thereby get more sales long term.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Ulamog spiked too, I should go sell him...
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It's both for Torrential Gearhulk. That card does a lot of work right now and given we may be heading into a walker heavy standard we may see a lot more gearhulks in the coming pro-tour. I'm not really sure what they can flash back to stop a resolved walker, though. The worst ones in the coming format are going to be Saheeli Rai, Gideon, Ally of Zendikar, and Liliana, The Last Hope, which are all coming down too early to effectively snap back a counter spell for. If Hero's Downfall were in the format that would be an option, but right now it's Ruinous Path and Anguished Unmaking with only the later one accessible with hulk.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
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Japan and the US are the two major places currently playing frontier, but it will probably spread about more as the card pool grows and people want to get into a non-rotating format. I personally enjoy it with friends and sort of prefer it to standard at the moment. Right now Frontier is poised pretty much to keep growing because of the paywall on modern being so high. Meanwhile modern is basically as big as it's going to get and probably start dipping as time goes by if the support for it is as lackluster as it has been the last few years.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Doubtful, one has Wizards support, the other does not.
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Where in the US, exactly, is this format popular? Player at my LGS, which is a fairly large one in the San Diego area, consider the format to be a punchline that contains the worst elements of standard from the last few years. We get a lot of military members who pass through the city, so attendees come from all over the country.
There isn't much enthusiasm for Magic right now across the board and the recent bannings have been rather polarizing to say the least.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
In Illinois there are a few frontier games going. I'm not expecting break out numbers on a new format that basically looks like extended, just that newer players like it more than the ones who already have modern collections because it is easier to get into. That's going to eventually lead it or another similar format to overtake modern unless Wizards does something drastically different. Not to mention modern started similarly to Frontier as well with Legacy players basically saying the same exact things that modern players are saying about frontier. So the wheel continues to turn.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
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That's my own feeling. We're basically seeing the exact same pattern that happened when Legacy -> Modern happened, and if the Modern Forums are any indication that includes the incessant doomsayer talk and wishful thinking of that crowd that the new non-rotating format will just poof into non-existence so they can buy things cheaper. For some reason I'm laughing inside.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
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URW PillowFort Stasis (costruction)
modern:
U Taking Turns combo
pauper:
UB Servitor Control
xenob8 : you know you are going to have a bad time when opponent starts with snow covered island
There isn't enough sets to make it diversed and stand out. Really pisses me off that alot of card got their prices increased by this. yes people said it and i started to agreed. This intense push might end up hurting the format and the players consenquetly.
What ever ill play it casually and stick with the best format(EDh) anwyays.
What is powering frontier is the perception of what the format is and will bring to the table, as well as the fact that many players were expecting a modern 2.0 to be coming eventually anyway. In the short term Frontier will probably hurt prices a bit for modern and standard, but long term if the format does pick up and become modern 2.0, then wizards will likely rework the existing formats to probably create a non-reserved list eternal format where all the other cards can reside, so basically legacy eats the old modern and loses the reserved list legality kind of format. I doubt the name "frontier" will stick around, though.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I'm kind of confused why you are concerned about them making more money...
1) They aren't making any more money than they already are on card products regardless of what they do, and in reality they are in that slow bumpy decline stage much like how World of Warcraft was after Wrath of the lich King (so you'll see upswings each expansion release, but the actual total player base on average is decreasing when you look at the median line). The point of restructuring the formats is to address issues in the card pool from the reserve list and the complaints of lack of answers in the current modern format. By making an eternal format that removes the reserve list from legality they have a singular format of cards they can support through commander and eternal masters reprints.
2) they have to do this because with post modern they would then have standard, post modern, modern, and legacy / commander to support and they already have too many product lines competing with each other. Restructuring makes it so they keep with three big targets: Standard, Post Modern, and Eternal.
As for what will make Wizards more money, it's not MTG cards. They have to go and branch into video games or tap into some other audience than the TCG player base because that player base is tapped out and in a slow, inexorable decline that hopefully will level out. That's why they ultimately got a new CEO that is big on video games and taking the card game into the digital age. The hope is that if they make a better and more accessible MTGO that it will boost revenue and act as another pillar to stand on in case paper magic starts really going down into the pits.
As for how this all relates to frontier, again frontier is powered by the perception of being that post modern 2.0. If the popularity of the format keeps up wizards will likely just make it the 2.0 post modern format and the ball will start rolling a little earlier than what the company probably planned.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!