While I love that Wizards gives us a headsup of what is coming, the obviously faked super duper enthousiasm (That we cannot share in because we have little details) really irritates me. It kind of makes me feel like i'm watching a teleshopping program with a product aimed for intellectually challenged people, while the Magic player base is of above average intelligence and at least a teenager. I'm watching them anyway though, because you know, spoilers. But I would enjoy it more if they took a little more serious approach to it, even if they do not reveal more information than they do now.
Am I the only one who feels this way?
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I do not get that. I think it is nerves for people who are not used to being in front of a camera promoting Magic and talking in a way to promote something without telling much about it. That is hard to promote something when you can only give the barest of details.
Sure, it's not perfect. You're right that the enthusiasm seems awfully staged, but they are trying real hard here. It's not easy doing this on camera. The first time I was made to "perform" this way (yes, it was a cooking show, why do you ask?), it looked even worse. That's what you get when you make people with zero experience with public performance to do this kind of thing.
Also, regarding the video, I really appreciate that they did it in one take. That's a major pain to pull off, even if it is something this simple.
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It kind of makes me feel like i'm watching a teleshopping program
This is exactly what you were watching. I abhor these Walking the Planes, LoadingReadyRun, FridayNights, and other childish, requested teasers, come here instead to look at the spoilers, and enjoy the game.
Yeah, it bothers me a bit but I don't really care. I mean, I know it's just marketing and they need to sell their product to intelligent mature people but also little kids.
Bah, if there is something Wizards is really terrible at, is promoting their products, I disagree, is not good to know what is coming, it devours most of the excitment of the actual real release, now I know that Nicol is coming, now I know is a egypt based plane, when they reveal it I will already know all of this, making less of an impact the release event, is just horrible lack of marketing skills there.
"They must keep calm their investors" Then f*ckin make a private meeting with them, show them the results of the last blocks and show them what they are working on, but don't spoil the (kinda weak) marketing they make for their products release data before the actual release, meanwhile, Hearthstone devours the market with their silly videos of set releases albeit the game is extremelly tonned down, but just the fact they know how to target the audience give them a big advantage against competitors that think this is still 1996.
As a gamer, I love the game, as a designer&publicist I hate the company.
while the Magic player base is of above average intelligence
Huh, what!? Is this just rhetorical thing or is this an actual belief that exists somehow? I know it's slightly off topic, but I just found it hillarious and felt like this needed pointing out.
Maro stated this several times on blogatog in the last few years. I guess they know from market research?
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Maro stated this several times on blogatog in the last few years. I guess they know from market research?
Which, coming from someone trying to sell something to those people, is just as likely to mean that their research shows that magic players like to think they are of "above average intelligence". I guess people will have to make up their own mind. I personally try not to tie monster cards into any other generalization than the people playing them, in general, are likely of average intelligence. But people get to think whatever makes them happy.
Actually, i think it's very likely. Most magic players i now and knew took their study seriously, earning them the "nerd" title, given to them by the not-magic-playing cool kids. Most of the cool kids where the kids following the lower educational level programs. So even if i distrusted Maro, which I do not, it seems likely.
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Not sure if it's the problem with sounding fake, or how overly cynical people on the internet are and the fact that they take themselves so seriously on the internet that nothing can be perceived as sincere.
Maro stated this several times on blogatog in the last few years. I guess they know from market research?
How does this work? Did they somehow administer IQ tests to a random sample of players? (It's debatable whether IQ tests measure intelligence, but many people think they do.)
Basing a generalization on empirical gut feeling is a dangerous leap of logic to allow yourself. Sure when it's a positive generalization, it seems harmless, but you are essentially saying that people who don't play with the same monster cards as you are, in general, of below average intelligence (that's how it plays out if you want to use above average in a system of two)
That's true, but because the set of Magic players is so much smaller than the set of non-Magic players, the degree to which non-Magic players are below average would be negligible.
You are not the first one I've seen making this argument nor the first one I've seen using similar arguments to back up their claims. With your logic we can say monster card players in general are egotistic, arrogant, self-centered people who are oblivious to just how much they think of themselves and how little they think of others.
I do not see how.
Now, I don't want to say that cause it's clearly just a baseless generalization
Yet you felt the need to say it anyways.
so I'll just restate that monster cards players, in general, are of average intelligence just like those who don't play with said monster cards i.e. liking the monster cards or not has no correlation with intelligence.
You seem really invested in this statement being true. Why? What is so offensive about the idea that the average intelligence of a set of people who like strategic games is higher than the average of the set of people who don't?
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Actually, i think it's very likely. Most magic players i now and knew took their study seriously, earning them the "nerd" title, given to them by the not-magic-playing cool kids. Most of the cool kids where the kids following the lower educational level programs. So even if i distrusted Maro, which I do not, it seems likely.
Basing a generalization on empirical gut feeling is a dangerous leap of logic to allow yourself. Sure when it's a positive generalization, it seems harmless, but you are essentially saying that people who don't play with the same monster cards as you are, in general, of below average intelligence (that's how it plays out if you want to use above average in a system of two), especially when your evidence for it is a rather flimsy one about their attitude towards studying. Racisms and biggotry often applies the same principle to counter the obvious fallacy of their views and I guess we all just have to make up our minds on how much credit we want to give that.
You are not the first one I've seen making this argument nor the first one I've seen using similar arguments to back up their claims. With your logic we can say monster card players in general are egotistic, arrogant, self-centered people who are oblivious to just how much they think of themselves and how little they think of others. Now, I don't want to say that cause it's clearly just a baseless generalization, so I'll just restate that monster cards players, in general, are of average intelligence just like those who don't play with said monster cards i.e. liking the monster cards or not has no correlation with intelligence.
You are confusing generalization with causation, which is often what happens when the racism card is played. I'm saying it could be true because of my experiences in college. I've never said that that playing Magic actually increases your intelligence or that people who don't play Magic are of lesser intelligence, just that one often goes with the other.
Think of it this way: when my alarm clock goes off in the morning, it's already light outside. My alarm clock going off does not cause it to be light outside, and it being light outside does not cause my alarm clock to go off (causation) yet when my alarm clock goes off I can say with reasonable certainty that it's light outside (generalization). The former could lead to racism if applied in the wrong way, the latter is just reasonable expectation based on chance.
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Maro stated this several times on blogatog in the last few years. I guess they know from market research?
How does this work? Did they somehow administer IQ tests to a random sample of players? (It's debatable whether IQ tests measure intelligence, but many people think they do.)
I studied economics and accounting, not econometry so I cannot say for certain. But by combining data of your highest educational diploma and preferences, you could probably statistically infer the preferences of more highly educated people and work from there once you have enough observations.
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Am I the only one who feels this way?
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Also, regarding the video, I really appreciate that they did it in one take. That's a major pain to pull off, even if it is something this simple.
BUG The Baron (it doesn't work, but I try anyway)
modern:
RGShaman Aggro
legacy:
UHigh Tide
German highlander:
BUG aggro control
EDH:
a positively unhealthy amount of decks
This is exactly what you were watching. I abhor these Walking the Planes, LoadingReadyRun, FridayNights, and other childish, requested teasers, come here instead to look at the spoilers, and enjoy the game.
"They must keep calm their investors" Then f*ckin make a private meeting with them, show them the results of the last blocks and show them what they are working on, but don't spoil the (kinda weak) marketing they make for their products release data before the actual release, meanwhile, Hearthstone devours the market with their silly videos of set releases albeit the game is extremelly tonned down, but just the fact they know how to target the audience give them a big advantage against competitors that think this is still 1996.
As a gamer, I love the game, as a designer&publicist I hate the company.
Maro stated this several times on blogatog in the last few years. I guess they know from market research?
If my post has no tags, then i posted from my phone.
Actually, i think it's very likely. Most magic players i now and knew took their study seriously, earning them the "nerd" title, given to them by the not-magic-playing cool kids. Most of the cool kids where the kids following the lower educational level programs. So even if i distrusted Maro, which I do not, it seems likely.
If my post has no tags, then i posted from my phone.
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How does this work? Did they somehow administer IQ tests to a random sample of players? (It's debatable whether IQ tests measure intelligence, but many people think they do.)
That's true, but because the set of Magic players is so much smaller than the set of non-Magic players, the degree to which non-Magic players are below average would be negligible.
I do not see how.
Yet you felt the need to say it anyways.
You seem really invested in this statement being true. Why? What is so offensive about the idea that the average intelligence of a set of people who like strategic games is higher than the average of the set of people who don't?
You are confusing generalization with causation, which is often what happens when the racism card is played. I'm saying it could be true because of my experiences in college. I've never said that that playing Magic actually increases your intelligence or that people who don't play Magic are of lesser intelligence, just that one often goes with the other.
Think of it this way: when my alarm clock goes off in the morning, it's already light outside. My alarm clock going off does not cause it to be light outside, and it being light outside does not cause my alarm clock to go off (causation) yet when my alarm clock goes off I can say with reasonable certainty that it's light outside (generalization). The former could lead to racism if applied in the wrong way, the latter is just reasonable expectation based on chance.
If my post has no tags, then i posted from my phone.
I studied economics and accounting, not econometry so I cannot say for certain. But by combining data of your highest educational diploma and preferences, you could probably statistically infer the preferences of more highly educated people and work from there once you have enough observations.
If my post has no tags, then i posted from my phone.