Also, I think it would be necessary to include the stipulation that only cards with an English printing with a white border are legal. Hopefully that keeps any weird exceptions out of the format. And like the 93/94 format (where you have to use alpha/beta cards), you can only play with the white bordered versions of the cards. So an Ice Age version of Dark Banishing wouldn't be legal.
As for decks, that's what I am most interested in. I suspect that a ChannelFireball combo deck might exist in the format.
I'm working on a cube like that. Started with a big box of cards that I re-discovered from when I first started playing back in the Unlimited / Revised days. I've been slowly adding to it when I can. I posted about it in the cube list forum: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/the-cube-forum/cube-lists/641707-450-unpowered-old-school-white-border-cube
It definitely seems like it could be a fun format! I am intrigued by 93/94, but that was just a tiny bit before I started buying cards, so I'd have to start from scratch and the startup costs would be more than I can afford right now. Your white border format would allow a fairly easy entrance point for new players wanting to play classic Magic. I like it
This idea is idiotic, especially with no restricted list. Sixth Edition and the Portal sets alone would wreck your ***** as far as tutors go, and Dark Ritual into Necropotence would give one a 95% or so success rate.
Folks, if you don't like the idea of the format, that's fine, but please do not respond to the thread just to post "this is stupid" or "I don't like it." Constructive criticism is fine, of course.
Why ban grim tutor in such a format? I'm no expert on cards in white bordered sets really beyond some hot stuff like mystical tutor/topdeck tutors and some other powerful spells like necro, however, what combo finish is there other than channel fireball? I don't see twister being all that good honestly as storm doesn't exist in the format and it's likely to favor the opponent just as much as you for that reason.
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This idea is idiotic, especially with no restricted list. Sixth Edition and the Portal sets alone would wreck your ***** as far as tutors go, and Dark Ritual into Necropotence would give one a 95% or so success rate.
Then... necro is banned? EDH and pauper work just fine with banlists.
From a cursory glance it does look like there are quite a few fun decks to play in this format. I'd brew some kind of weenie turn 3 Armageddon/Ravages of War deck with artifact mana, Birds of Paradise, Groundskeeper, etc.
This idea is idiotic, especially with no restricted list. Sixth Edition and the Portal sets alone would wreck your ***** as far as tutors go, and Dark Ritual into Necropotence would give one a 95% or so success rate.
I'm working on a cube like that. Started with a big box of cards that I re-discovered from when I first started playing back in the Unlimited / Revised days. I've been slowly adding to it when I can. I posted about it in the cube list forum: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/the-cube-forum/cube-lists/641707-450-unpowered-old-school-white-border-cube
It definitely seems like it could be a fun format! I am intrigued by 93/94, but that was just a tiny bit before I started buying cards, so I'd have to start from scratch and the startup costs would be more than I can afford right now. Your white border format would allow a fairly easy entrance point for new players wanting to play classic Magic. I like it
Yeah, the only mega expensive cards would likely be from the Portal sets. Everything else is really cheap (excluding the duals), so it seems like it would be really cheap to get into.
Why ban grim tutor in such a format? I'm no expert on cards in white bordered sets really beyond some hot stuff like mystical tutor/topdeck tutors and some other powerful spells like necro, however, what combo finish is there other than channel fireball? I don't see twister being all that good honestly as storm doesn't exist in the format and it's likely to favor the opponent just as much as you for that reason.
Grim could be in or out. It's really a borderline call I think. I said that because I was afraid it would enable some kind of combo deck, but given that the format doesn't appear to have any serious combo might warrant that Grim can be played in the format. One card I didn't consider at first was Mind Twist, I think that as a 4 of in the format would be back breaking. Also Strip Mine would likely need to be banned.
This idea is idiotic, especially with no restricted list. Sixth Edition and the Portal sets alone would wreck your ***** as far as tutors go, and Dark Ritual into Necropotence would give one a 95% or so success rate.
Then... necro is banned? EDH and pauper work just fine with banlists.
From a cursory glance it does look like there are quite a few fun decks to play in this format. I'd brew some kind of weenie turn 3 Armageddon/Ravages of War deck with artifact mana, Birds of Paradise, Groundskeeper, etc.
Necro into what? Digging through one-quarter of your library on turn one, plus your ***** banned list from Unlimited Edition onwards, plus Enlightened/Mystical/Worldly/Personal/Sylvan Tutor could probably find Drain Life and Channel [as just one example of a combo] if they're not drawn outright as four-ofs.
Basically, what I'm getting at here is that if you had a white-bordered-only format, you'd better expand your banned list in a manner similarly done in Tempest/Urza's Type II: "ban everything until Necro is good again, then ban Necro".
Necro into what? Digging through one-quarter of your library on turn one, plus your ***** banned list from Unlimited Edition onwards, plus Enlightened/Mystical/Worldly/Personal/Sylvan Tutor could probably find Drain Life and Channel [as just one example of a combo] if they're not drawn outright as four-ofs.
Basically, what I'm getting at here is that if you had a white-bordered-only format, you'd better expand your banned list in a manner similarly done in Tempest/Urza's Type II: "ban everything until Necro is good again, then ban Necro".
While necro is a powerful card, like stated above it just doesn't seem to have the same cards avaliable to it like it had when 5th Edition was legal in T2. That is unless we are missing some combo that could exist in the format. Also, it just doesn't seem like the right card for a deck that wins with Channel Fireball and Channel Drain Life doesn't work because you need black mana for Drain.
Necropotence was good before it became a combo enabler. Pretty much all the cards in the original necrodeck are available with a white border. It would probably dominate the format.
Necropotence was good before it became a combo enabler. Pretty much all the cards in the original necrodeck are available with a white border. It would probably dominate the format.
I'm still not that sure, while Necro is a good card, I think there will be other unexplored decks that will be equally as good or better. Two cards I see that are not WB are Zuran Orb and Lake of the Dead. Ivory Tower seems to be the only way to exploit Necro by recharging your life each turn. Also, Stasis is legal in the format, and from what I understand, was able to have a good matchup vs Neco based decks at the time.
After some thought, I would probably play this deck. This deck alone is why I think Wheel of Fortune and Time Twister shouldn't be allowed in the format.
Drain life is also there for necro players to both damage opponents and regain life to draw more cards. And with Hypnotic Spectre, duress, mind twist, and more disruption available, no strategy is safe. The card advantage Necropotence provides wins games, plain and simple.
Drain life is also there for necro players to both damage opponents and regain life to draw more cards. And with Hypnotic Spectre, duress, mind twist, and more disruption available, no strategy is safe. The card advantage Necropotence provides wins games, plain and simple.
Mind Twist wouldn't be legal in the format, even if Necropoetence was banned, Twist is just too powerful. Personally, the more I talk about the format, the more I want to play it. I think the fact that Necro was so dominant early in Magic's history is clouding peoples perception of it's actual power in this format. I think the second deck I posted is well positioned to deal with a deck running Necro and other decks in the format.
This is my banned list so far: (I'll update this as more suggestions come along.)
All Ante cards and the following
Also, I think it would be necessary to include the stipulation that only cards with an English printing with a white border are legal. Hopefully that keeps any weird exceptions out of the format. And like the 93/94 format (where you have to use alpha/beta cards), you can only play with the white bordered versions of the cards. So an Ice Age version of Dark Banishing wouldn't be legal.
As for decks, that's what I am most interested in. I suspect that a Channel Fireball combo deck might exist in the format.
Something like:
4x Taiga
4x Volcanic Island
2x Yavimaya Coast
2x Shivan Reef
3x Forest
3x Island
2x Mountain
4x Brainstorm
4x Channel
4x Fireball
4x Mystical Tutor
4x Counterspell
3x Mana Leak
2x Force Spike
1x Drain Power
4x Birds of Paradise
If this link works, there should be around 1900 cards legal in the format.
http://magiccards.info/query?q=is:white-bordered&s=cname&v=card&p=1
BUWGRChilds PlayGRWUB
BUWGR Highlander GRWUB
UBSquee's Shapeshifting PetBU
BW Multiplayer Control WB
RG Changeling GR
UR Mana FlareRU
UMerfolkU
B MBMC B
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http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/the-cube-forum/cube-lists/641707-450-unpowered-old-school-white-border-cube
It definitely seems like it could be a fun format! I am intrigued by 93/94, but that was just a tiny bit before I started buying cards, so I'd have to start from scratch and the startup costs would be more than I can afford right now. Your white border format would allow a fairly easy entrance point for new players wanting to play classic Magic. I like it
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From a cursory glance it does look like there are quite a few fun decks to play in this format. I'd brew some kind of weenie turn 3 Armageddon/Ravages of War deck with artifact mana, Birds of Paradise, Groundskeeper, etc.
And Necro into what?
Yeah, the only mega expensive cards would likely be from the Portal sets. Everything else is really cheap (excluding the duals), so it seems like it would be really cheap to get into.
Grim could be in or out. It's really a borderline call I think. I said that because I was afraid it would enable some kind of combo deck, but given that the format doesn't appear to have any serious combo might warrant that Grim can be played in the format. One card I didn't consider at first was Mind Twist, I think that as a 4 of in the format would be back breaking. Also Strip Mine would likely need to be banned.
That's actually a deck I considered, something with Armageddon, Wildfire, or Jokulhaups.
BUWGRChilds PlayGRWUB
BUWGR Highlander GRWUB
UBSquee's Shapeshifting PetBU
BW Multiplayer Control WB
RG Changeling GR
UR Mana FlareRU
UMerfolkU
B MBMC B
Basically, what I'm getting at here is that if you had a white-bordered-only format, you'd better expand your banned list in a manner similarly done in Tempest/Urza's Type II: "ban everything until Necro is good again, then ban Necro".
While necro is a powerful card, like stated above it just doesn't seem to have the same cards avaliable to it like it had when 5th Edition was legal in T2. That is unless we are missing some combo that could exist in the format. Also, it just doesn't seem like the right card for a deck that wins with Channel Fireball and Channel Drain Life doesn't work because you need black mana for Drain.
BUWGRChilds PlayGRWUB
BUWGR Highlander GRWUB
UBSquee's Shapeshifting PetBU
BW Multiplayer Control WB
RG Changeling GR
UR Mana FlareRU
UMerfolkU
B MBMC B
I'm still not that sure, while Necro is a good card, I think there will be other unexplored decks that will be equally as good or better. Two cards I see that are not WB are Zuran Orb and Lake of the Dead. Ivory Tower seems to be the only way to exploit Necro by recharging your life each turn. Also, Stasis is legal in the format, and from what I understand, was able to have a good matchup vs Neco based decks at the time.
After some thought, I would probably play this deck. This deck alone is why I think Wheel of Fortune and Time Twister shouldn't be allowed in the format.
4x Dark Ritual
3x Seething Song
4x Winds of Change
4x Windfall
2x Teferi's Puzzle Box
4x Howling Mine
2x Prosperity
2x Recall
2x Feldon's Cane
2x Sudden Impact
BUWGRChilds PlayGRWUB
BUWGR Highlander GRWUB
UBSquee's Shapeshifting PetBU
BW Multiplayer Control WB
RG Changeling GR
UR Mana FlareRU
UMerfolkU
B MBMC B
Mind Twist wouldn't be legal in the format, even if Necropoetence was banned, Twist is just too powerful. Personally, the more I talk about the format, the more I want to play it. I think the fact that Necro was so dominant early in Magic's history is clouding peoples perception of it's actual power in this format. I think the second deck I posted is well positioned to deal with a deck running Necro and other decks in the format.
BUWGRChilds PlayGRWUB
BUWGR Highlander GRWUB
UBSquee's Shapeshifting PetBU
BW Multiplayer Control WB
RG Changeling GR
UR Mana FlareRU
UMerfolkU
B MBMC B