You know these player's guides come from fat packs right? There are actually people out there who like to buy things fresh off the factory. Ok, not exactly fresh off the factory, more like, nobody else touched the product after it leaves the factory.
My LGS does sell player's guides, but they all look beat up, so I am guessing if I ordered from StarCityGames, the Players guides would look as beat up, and not as new as if I just bought a fat pack.
I highly doubt the players guides starcitygames sells are opened from a fat pack, and sold right away, more like, it was looked at for a few seconds by someone who bought a fat pack, and just left at the store, and sold by starcitygames.
My claim that I buy fat packs just for the player's guide is to argue against removing the player's guide from the fat pack, because without it, I would just buy 9 boosters instead of a fat pack. Then again, I would rather have the player's guides from 2 sets in the block, or a player's guide containing 4 sets worth to be released with the holiday gift box or something.
There is also the argument that everything is online. Some people like printed materials, and some people like to look at screens. Same reason why some people like paper magic, and some people like magic online, or some people like retail discs, and some people like digital distribution.
What I also don't like is WOTC adding boosters to products just to jack up the price. Fat packs were 8 boosters and $35 and now are 9 boosters and $40. Theme decks were $11, Intro packs with 1 booster were $13, and now intro packs with 2 boosters are $15. I couldn't complain. I seem to be getting planeswalkers all the time every time I do my "buy 1 fat pack and one of each intro pack" ritual for each set, and cracking open 19 packs. It seems there isn't a set that is a dud, in terms of what I pulled in the 19 packs. I guess the 5 extra packs really increased the odds. Not like I sell my cards or anything.
I would say the fat packs became worse as time went on. The best was the ones from 9th edition to Morningtide.
On the subject of card sleeves in fat packs, here is what these people have to say. My reasoning for why there should be card sleeves in fat pack was because Pokemon and Yugioh did it. Pokemon still makes the Elite Trainer Boxes, while Yugioh stopped making the Deluxe Edition.
If they included sleeves in a fat pack they would be Ultra Pro, and probably the ones with art on them. Those sleeves are such notorious garbage that I would probably just give them away or toss them. If any product were to have sleeves it should be Deck Builder's kit, since that is aimed at newer and more casual players.
You know these player's guides come from fat packs right? There are actually people out there who like to buy things fresh off the factory. Ok, not exactly fresh off the factory, more like, nobody else touched the product after it leaves the factory.
My LGS does sell player's guides, but they all look beat up, so I am guessing if I ordered from StarCityGames, the Players guides would look as beat up, and not as new as if I just bought a fat pack.
I highly doubt the players guides starcitygames sells are opened from a fat pack, and sold right away, more like, it was looked at for a few seconds by someone who bought a fat pack, and just left at the store, and sold by starcitygames.
My claim that I buy fat packs just for the player's guide is to argue against removing the player's guide from the fat pack, because without it, I would just buy 9 boosters instead of a fat pack. Then again, I would rather have the player's guides from 2 sets in the block, or a player's guide containing 4 sets worth to be released with the holiday gift box or something.
There is also the argument that everything is online. Some people like printed materials, and some people like to look at screens. Same reason why some people like paper magic, and some people like magic online, or some people like retail discs, and some people like digital distribution.
What I also don't like is WOTC adding boosters to products just to jack up the price. Fat packs were 8 boosters and $35 and now are 9 boosters and $40. Theme decks were $11, Intro packs with 1 booster were $13, and now intro packs with 2 boosters are $15. I couldn't complain. I seem to be getting planeswalkers all the time every time I do my "buy 1 fat pack and one of each intro pack" ritual for each set, and cracking open 19 packs. It seems there isn't a set that is a dud, in terms of what I pulled in the 19 packs. I guess the 5 extra packs really increased the odds. Not like I sell my cards or anything.
I would say the fat packs became worse as time went on. The best was the ones from 9th edition to Morningtide.
On the subject of card sleeves in fat packs, here is what these people have to say. My reasoning for why there should be card sleeves in fat pack was because Pokemon and Yugioh did it. Pokemon still makes the Elite Trainer Boxes, while Yugioh stopped making the Deluxe Edition.
I honestly can't believe all the stupidity in your response.
1. Yes, I'm aware these come from fat packs. What the hell else would I be talking about in a thread concerning fat packs?
2. "There are people that like to buy things fresh off the factory"? Obviously. But you know who Aren't concerned about this? People who say they're buying fat packs just to get the guide, and wouldn't buy fat packs without them. People who say they'd welcome passing on Fat Packs and saving $40 if they were discontinued from inclusion in fat packs.
3. The guides that SCG sell are mint. I know because I've bought them. Several times. "You'd be guessing that the copies SCG sells would be beat up as well"? Yes, because it's common practice for the largest vendor known for excellent customer service to sell battered, beat up ***** as new.
4. SCG sells individual components of fat packs. The outer boxes. The dice. The guides. The packs. Do you really think the single largest vendor doesn't get these at a price cheaper than just about anyone? They break things up all the freaking time. How do you think they sell singles of products like Commander, Dual Decks, etc? They have 154 FRF Fat Pack boxes for sale. I suppose you think people left them behind too? http://sales.starcitygames.com/category.php?t=a&cat=5091
5. You honestly believe SCG just scoops up guides left behind and sells them? This is so stupid I don't even know how to respond.
Sucks WOTC doesn't do much improving on their products.
Why should they? Even before BFZ, fat packs were clearly a profitable product, or else they would not have been selling as is for so long. They do a lot of market research to learn what people want from this kind of product, and they know the actual costs to produce all the things people are listing. They take that data, and make a product that has a good price point with an acceptable profit, and sell it. The fact that they have remained largely unchanged for so long is evidence that they are selling something that people want. If you want more for your $40 then don't buy them. Enough people feel that is a fair price.
1. Yes, I'm aware these come from fat packs. What the hell else would I be talking about in a thread concerning fat packs?
If the player's guide was removed from fat packs, you do know that there won't be player's guides right? Even StarCityGames can't sell something that doesn't exist. When I say people collect the players guides, it was in response to the suggestion that the player's guides be removed because everything is online. All the stuff of buying things brand new mint sealed in box and nobody else touching it but me after it leaves the factory floor is all about me.
So let's look at the items in a fat pack that can be obtained if that item was removed from the fat pack. Box? You can buy one of those long white boxes. 9 boosters, you can buy these separately. Dice, Event Deck, or similar D20's. If you only want to track life, you can use any writing materials. Deck Boxes, well you can buy the plastic ones, land? A ton of boosters, or precon lands. There is even the land station. Player's guide? No matter how you say it, Starcitygames has to open up fat packs to sell the player's guides. Removing that means no player's guides.
2. "There are people that like to buy things fresh off the factory"? Obviously. But you know who Aren't concerned about this? **People who say they're buying fat packs just to get the guide**, and wouldn't buy fat packs without them. People who say they'd welcome passing on Fat Packs and saving $40 if they were discontinued from inclusion in fat packs.
Apparently this is contradictory. Fresh off the Factory, by my definition means mint, sealed in box, new, so new that you are the first person to open the product. Player's guides sold separately by StarCityGames is NOT fresh off the factory. It has been opened. The ONLY WAY to get the player's guide mint sealed in box fresh off the factory, brand new, so new that you won't believe it, is to buy a fat pack. I wouldn't consider a video game as new if it was just the disc, no matter how mint the disc is. It must contain the manual, shrinkwrap, case, and seal for it to be considered new. For a Player's guide to be considered new, it must come from a fat pack. So if people want to get the player's guide brand new, sealed, mint in box, it has to be via fat pack. Also when I mention people buying things fresh off the factory, I am not only mentioning player's guides, but single cards as well. Apparently, I am not the only one who does this. There is this guy in these very forums who buy tons of booster boxes because he doesn't want to get his cards second hand. So tell me please, how is buying the Player's Guides from star city games not second hand, similar to buying singles?
3. The guides that SCG sell are mint. I know because I've bought them. Several times. "You'd be guessing that the copies SCG sells would be beat up as well"? Yes, because it's common practice for the largest vendor known for excellent customer service to sell battered, beat up ***** as new.
Mint =/= new. I like my Players guides new. It's like trying to sell a laptop to someone and claiming it is brand new, fresh off the factory, unopened, despite the seal being broken. Good luck trying to convince that the laptop is brand new. I sure don't fall for that trap.
4. SCG sells individual components of fat packs. The outer boxes. The dice. The guides. The packs. Do you really think the single largest vendor doesn't get these at a price cheaper than just about anyone? They break things up all the freaking time. How do you think they sell singles of products like Commander, Dual Decks, etc? They have 154 FRF Fat Pack boxes for sale. I suppose you think people left them behind too? http://sales.starcitygames.com/category.php?t=a&cat=5091
All these individual things are no longer new. As I said, a shrinkwrapped video game fresh off the factory isn't the same as the manual + disc + case sold separately. I can also go with laptop computers. They have a seal on them. Once the seal is broken, it has been opened. Once it is opened, the product is no longer new. All these individual items are now second hand items. A better example. Hard drives. A hard drive mint, sealed in box isn't the same as a hard drive taken out of a brand new computer and sold separately.
5. You honestly believe SCG just scoops up guides left behind and sells them? This is so stupid I don't even know how to respond.
This is no different than if used video game stores sell the disc only by opening up all factory sealed games and selling the discs only. To some people, they like to buy their games brand new. If it was just the disc, it wouldn't be considered new because someone opened it. I don't see video game stores advertise just the disc as new, even though they would open it and just sell the disc.
**How does "people collect Player's guides" and "I buy fat packs just for the player's guide" suddenly become "people buy fat packs just for the player's guide"?** It doesn't make any sense. Let me say this again. If Player's guides are taken out of fat packs, and WOTC doesn't make them anymore, StarCityGames can't sell them. So suddenly I'm stupid for preferring to get player's guides from fat packs, because I prefer to get things brand new, first hand?
If you haven't noticed, that several people who mentioned they buy fat packs just for the player's guide, if you read the entire thread, is all said by the same person. If the Player's guide were removed, I wouldn't have to spend $45 at once on a fat pack, and instead, buy 9 boosters in separate outings.
As someone who has 5 foiled out EDH decks, I'd LOVE to see 1 or 2 copies of that sets tokens in foil. If this were the only place to get tokens in foil, that would make the fat packs more desirable, and because they're just tokens, and not some alt-art promo card, it should lessen (note I said LESSEN, because there's always gonna be a vocal minority that likes to ***** and moan) people complaining about their inclusion in a fat pack. And for those that don't care about foils or tokens, it's trade bait.
This, plus selling the land packs separately (for full-art sets only.) Fat pack shortages would disappear overnight if people could walk into Walmart and buy a pack of full art basics for $15 or $20... hell, include a few foil tokens & 1-2 foil basics in those packs & they'd be amazing.
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You know these player's guides come from fat packs right? There are actually people out there who like to buy things fresh off the factory. Ok, not exactly fresh off the factory, more like, nobody else touched the product after it leaves the factory.
My LGS does sell player's guides, but they all look beat up, so I am guessing if I ordered from StarCityGames, the Players guides would look as beat up, and not as new as if I just bought a fat pack.
I highly doubt the players guides starcitygames sells are opened from a fat pack, and sold right away, more like, it was looked at for a few seconds by someone who bought a fat pack, and just left at the store, and sold by starcitygames.
My claim that I buy fat packs just for the player's guide is to argue against removing the player's guide from the fat pack, because without it, I would just buy 9 boosters instead of a fat pack. Then again, I would rather have the player's guides from 2 sets in the block, or a player's guide containing 4 sets worth to be released with the holiday gift box or something.
There is also the argument that everything is online. Some people like printed materials, and some people like to look at screens. Same reason why some people like paper magic, and some people like magic online, or some people like retail discs, and some people like digital distribution.
What I also don't like is WOTC adding boosters to products just to jack up the price. Fat packs were 8 boosters and $35 and now are 9 boosters and $40. Theme decks were $11, Intro packs with 1 booster were $13, and now intro packs with 2 boosters are $15. I couldn't complain. I seem to be getting planeswalkers all the time every time I do my "buy 1 fat pack and one of each intro pack" ritual for each set, and cracking open 19 packs. It seems there isn't a set that is a dud, in terms of what I pulled in the 19 packs. I guess the 5 extra packs really increased the odds. Not like I sell my cards or anything.
I would say the fat packs became worse as time went on. The best was the ones from 9th edition to Morningtide.
On the subject of card sleeves in fat packs, here is what these people have to say. My reasoning for why there should be card sleeves in fat pack was because Pokemon and Yugioh did it. Pokemon still makes the Elite Trainer Boxes, while Yugioh stopped making the Deluxe Edition.
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I honestly can't believe all the stupidity in your response.
1. Yes, I'm aware these come from fat packs. What the hell else would I be talking about in a thread concerning fat packs?
2. "There are people that like to buy things fresh off the factory"? Obviously. But you know who Aren't concerned about this? People who say they're buying fat packs just to get the guide, and wouldn't buy fat packs without them. People who say they'd welcome passing on Fat Packs and saving $40 if they were discontinued from inclusion in fat packs.
3. The guides that SCG sell are mint. I know because I've bought them. Several times. "You'd be guessing that the copies SCG sells would be beat up as well"? Yes, because it's common practice for the largest vendor known for excellent customer service to sell battered, beat up ***** as new.
4. SCG sells individual components of fat packs. The outer boxes. The dice. The guides. The packs. Do you really think the single largest vendor doesn't get these at a price cheaper than just about anyone? They break things up all the freaking time. How do you think they sell singles of products like Commander, Dual Decks, etc? They have 154 FRF Fat Pack boxes for sale. I suppose you think people left them behind too? http://sales.starcitygames.com/category.php?t=a&cat=5091
5. You honestly believe SCG just scoops up guides left behind and sells them? This is so stupid I don't even know how to respond.
Why should they? Even before BFZ, fat packs were clearly a profitable product, or else they would not have been selling as is for so long. They do a lot of market research to learn what people want from this kind of product, and they know the actual costs to produce all the things people are listing. They take that data, and make a product that has a good price point with an acceptable profit, and sell it. The fact that they have remained largely unchanged for so long is evidence that they are selling something that people want. If you want more for your $40 then don't buy them. Enough people feel that is a fair price.
Reprint Opt for Modern!!
FREE DIG THOROUGH TIME!
PLAY MORE ROUGE DECKS!
If the player's guide was removed from fat packs, you do know that there won't be player's guides right? Even StarCityGames can't sell something that doesn't exist. When I say people collect the players guides, it was in response to the suggestion that the player's guides be removed because everything is online. All the stuff of buying things brand new mint sealed in box and nobody else touching it but me after it leaves the factory floor is all about me.
So let's look at the items in a fat pack that can be obtained if that item was removed from the fat pack. Box? You can buy one of those long white boxes. 9 boosters, you can buy these separately. Dice, Event Deck, or similar D20's. If you only want to track life, you can use any writing materials. Deck Boxes, well you can buy the plastic ones, land? A ton of boosters, or precon lands. There is even the land station. Player's guide? No matter how you say it, Starcitygames has to open up fat packs to sell the player's guides. Removing that means no player's guides.
Apparently this is contradictory. Fresh off the Factory, by my definition means mint, sealed in box, new, so new that you are the first person to open the product. Player's guides sold separately by StarCityGames is NOT fresh off the factory. It has been opened. The ONLY WAY to get the player's guide mint sealed in box fresh off the factory, brand new, so new that you won't believe it, is to buy a fat pack. I wouldn't consider a video game as new if it was just the disc, no matter how mint the disc is. It must contain the manual, shrinkwrap, case, and seal for it to be considered new. For a Player's guide to be considered new, it must come from a fat pack. So if people want to get the player's guide brand new, sealed, mint in box, it has to be via fat pack. Also when I mention people buying things fresh off the factory, I am not only mentioning player's guides, but single cards as well. Apparently, I am not the only one who does this. There is this guy in these very forums who buy tons of booster boxes because he doesn't want to get his cards second hand. So tell me please, how is buying the Player's Guides from star city games not second hand, similar to buying singles?
Mint =/= new. I like my Players guides new. It's like trying to sell a laptop to someone and claiming it is brand new, fresh off the factory, unopened, despite the seal being broken. Good luck trying to convince that the laptop is brand new. I sure don't fall for that trap.
All these individual things are no longer new. As I said, a shrinkwrapped video game fresh off the factory isn't the same as the manual + disc + case sold separately. I can also go with laptop computers. They have a seal on them. Once the seal is broken, it has been opened. Once it is opened, the product is no longer new. All these individual items are now second hand items. A better example. Hard drives. A hard drive mint, sealed in box isn't the same as a hard drive taken out of a brand new computer and sold separately.
This is no different than if used video game stores sell the disc only by opening up all factory sealed games and selling the discs only. To some people, they like to buy their games brand new. If it was just the disc, it wouldn't be considered new because someone opened it. I don't see video game stores advertise just the disc as new, even though they would open it and just sell the disc.
**How does "people collect Player's guides" and "I buy fat packs just for the player's guide" suddenly become "people buy fat packs just for the player's guide"?** It doesn't make any sense. Let me say this again. If Player's guides are taken out of fat packs, and WOTC doesn't make them anymore, StarCityGames can't sell them. So suddenly I'm stupid for preferring to get player's guides from fat packs, because I prefer to get things brand new, first hand?
If you haven't noticed, that several people who mentioned they buy fat packs just for the player's guide, if you read the entire thread, is all said by the same person. If the Player's guide were removed, I wouldn't have to spend $45 at once on a fat pack, and instead, buy 9 boosters in separate outings.
This, plus selling the land packs separately (for full-art sets only.) Fat pack shortages would disappear overnight if people could walk into Walmart and buy a pack of full art basics for $15 or $20... hell, include a few foil tokens & 1-2 foil basics in those packs & they'd be amazing.
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