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So far in FL, a few fat packs bought at big box stores have been apparently opened, had all the product removed, filled with trash to around the same weight, and resealed. Then returned and put back on the shelf.
It would be cool if LGS punished those for buying up all the BFZ fat packs, while also keeping the MSRP price tag for those who aren't trying to scalp them.
Here is my idea.
The first one you buy is $40USD
The second one you buy is the price of the first + $5USD, so $45USD.
The third one you buy is the price of the second + $10USD, so $55USD.
The fourth one you buy is the price of the third + $15USD, so $70USD.
The fifth would cost $90USD.
The sixth would cost $115USD.
So the nth one you buy is the price of the nth-1 + $5x(n-1).
For a hoarder buying 6 at $40USD each, it would cost that person $240USD. For a person who buys 6 fat packs at this model, would cost $415USD. This means that the price difference between this model, and keeping it at MSRP will increase the more fat packs you buy, so it punishes the one guy who buys 20, rather than the 20 guys who each buy one. The only way to ensure you can buy multiple at MSRP is to make sure the clerk doesn't know who you are, or buy one and come back at a later date, but by that time, there may be a chance that the fat packs may be sold to other people. If it happens that you would be the only person to frequent the store with this pricing model, then you can get your 20 fat packs. If not, it just means that the rest of the fat packs went to other people, and that it means that this pricing model made it so that you didn't deny others of the fat packs.
This model also makes it so the LGS isn't trying to price gouge you, only those who are trying to price gouge others. It is basically saying, this model is price gouging the price gougers.
It would be cool if LGS punished those for buying up all the BFZ fat packs, while also keeping the MSRP price tag for those who aren't trying to scalp them.
Here is my idea.
The first one you buy is $40USD
The second one you buy is the price of the first + $5USD, so $45USD.
The third one you buy is the price of the second + $10USD, so $55USD.
The fourth one you buy is the price of the third + $15USD, so $70USD.
The fifth would cost $90USD.
The sixth would cost $115USD.
So the nth one you buy is the price of the nth-1 + $5x(n-1).
For a hoarder buying 6 at $40USD each, it would cost that person $240USD. For a person who buys 6 fat packs at this model, would cost $415USD. This means that the price difference between this model, and keeping it at MSRP will increase the more fat packs you buy, so it punishes the one guy who buys 20, rather than the 20 guys who each buy one. The only way to ensure you can buy multiple at MSRP is to make sure the clerk doesn't know who you are, or buy one and come back at a later date, but by that time, there may be a chance that the fat packs may be sold to other people. If it happens that you would be the only person to frequent the store with this pricing model, then you can get your 20 fat packs. If not, it just means that the rest of the fat packs went to other people, and that it means that this pricing model made it so that you didn't deny others of the fat packs.
This model also makes it so the LGS isn't trying to price gouge you, only those who are trying to price gouge others. It is basically saying, this model is price gouging the price gougers.
It would be cool if LGS punished those for buying up all the BFZ fat packs, while also keeping the MSRP price tag for those who aren't trying to scalp them.
Here is my idea.
The first one you buy is $40USD
The second one you buy is the price of the first + $5USD, so $45USD.
The third one you buy is the price of the second + $10USD, so $55USD.
The fourth one you buy is the price of the third + $15USD, so $70USD.
The fifth would cost $90USD.
The sixth would cost $115USD.
So the nth one you buy is the price of the nth-1 + $5x(n-1).
For a hoarder buying 6 at $40USD each, it would cost that person $240USD. For a person who buys 6 fat packs at this model, would cost $415USD. This means that the price difference between this model, and keeping it at MSRP will increase the more fat packs you buy, so it punishes the one guy who buys 20, rather than the 20 guys who each buy one. The only way to ensure you can buy multiple at MSRP is to make sure the clerk doesn't know who you are, or buy one and come back at a later date, but by that time, there may be a chance that the fat packs may be sold to other people. If it happens that you would be the only person to frequent the store with this pricing model, then you can get your 20 fat packs. If not, it just means that the rest of the fat packs went to other people, and that it means that this pricing model made it so that you didn't deny others of the fat packs.
This model also makes it so the LGS isn't trying to price gouge you, only those who are trying to price gouge others. It is basically saying, this model is price gouging the price gougers.
The people buying these in bulk are not stupid enough for that to stop them from buying all the $40 fat packs they want. Seriously, it makes no sense and just encourages people willing to part with their money freely to be sneaky.
My solution is to sell them for $40 until you realize that you don't owe your customers ***** (unless they pay for it). Then jack the price up to the market price and make some money because you just sold a highly in demand product for the price they are going for. Then go home, feel good about the fact that you just provided your customers (first in line willing to pay probably) with a product they want, and then go back the next day to make money again. Game shops tend to give away more of their time and space than most other retailers.
I swear to god it's like you guys forget that wealthy game store owners are like Santa: We believe they exist until we grow up a little.
Walmart isn't technically a LGS. My idea makes it so that a LGS isn't looking like they are trying to price gouge you. The reason why a LGS sells it at inflated prices is because someone out there is going to buy up all their stock, and sell them at inflated prices themselves. Why sell them at $40 MSRP and have some hoarder sell and make a profit when the LGS sell them at $60 and make a profit themselves?
My model makes it so that everyone can get it at $40, but the LGS takes a cut from those who want to buy them in bulk, and for each fat pack they buy, provided they buy them all at once, the less likely they are going to make their money back selling them, because each subsequent one they buy will cost more and more.
This model makes it so that you can be sure you can buy a fat pack at a LGS once all the big box stores have been raided by hoarders. I can also say that a LGS clerk recognizes you if you frequent that store, so unless a LGS employ multiple staff, and they each work a one hour shift, your only way to get 2 at $40 at the LGS is to come back the next day, but by that time, someone else would have bought the BFZ fat packs. Trust me, if you are a regular at a LGS, the clerks there will know you. Heck, I don't even play at a LGS, and because I keep on buying stuff there, the clerks know me.
You could also get 19 people, including you, together to buy 20 fat packs at $40 for you, but you are only depriving your 19 buddies from getting their own fat packs at $40. You could get people who have no intention of buying the BFZ fat pack at all, but in most likelihood, you will probably get a maximum of 5 or so fat packs, as I don't see how anyone can gather 19 other people who isn't really into Magic, just to buy 20 fat packs at $40, and not have to suffer the price increase for each fat pack you buy.
Let's say a big box store like Wal-Mart does the idea I put in place. Even if you can go to your car and come back, there is this 5 to 10 minute window for someone to buy one before you can snatch them all, but we aren't talking about big box stores, we are talking about LGS here.
All I'm saying is that there are ways to circumvent the whole "pay more for each subsequent fat pack you buy" idea, such as waiting a day in hopes for a different store clerk or the current store clerk forgetting who you are, or trying to gather multiple friends to buy the fat packs for you, all these workarounds makes it so that there is a window of opportunity for someone else to get their hands on the BFZ fat pack.
Apparently, someone deleted a post above me. A LGS gets more customers if they have what people want. If there is this one guy who keeps on buying the LGS's stock, thus leaving nothing, each new customer will view that store as that "out of stock" store. That is how I view things. A store using my model compared to one selling at $40, and one selling at $60, would most likely to get customers, because they know that they can be sure that they are going to get what they want at MSRP, rather than having to find out the product is out of stock, or having to pay MSRP. A LGS doesn't want to be known as the out of stock store, or the price gouging store.
A LGS that attracts me is one that has what I want, and one that does not charge high prices. I like to collect one of each theme deck and intro pack, so a store that carries a wide variety of older intro packs or theme decks would be more attractive to me, than one that only carries the latest set's worth of intro packs.
My LGS is selling them for $39.95 same as any other Fatpack. I think there is a lot of price Gouging going on around the world. I wonder if the big box stores will jack up prices and stick it to players like some other places have?
I finally got a day off and was able to visit my LGS, which to my great joy, is selling fat packs at MSRP. They are only selling one per customer, and only to known and repeat customers. If anyone is in the Lancaster, Ohio area, shot me a PM and I'll let you know where this paradise is. So far they haven't price gouged a single MTG related product, going back to at least MM1.
My LGS is selling them for $39.95 same as any other Fatpack. I think there is a lot of price Gouging going on around the world. I wonder if the big box stores will jack up prices and stick it to players like some other places have?
I finally got a day off and was able to visit my LGS, which to my great joy, is selling fat packs at MSRP. They are only selling one per customer, and only to known and repeat customers. If anyone is in the Lancaster, Ohio area, shot me a PM and I'll let you know where this paradise is. So far they haven't price gouged a single MTG related product, going back to at least MM1.
These kinds of stores lead to returning customers because they aren't the "out of stock" store, or the "price gouge" store. I don't know about any of you, but an attractive LGS to me is a store that is guaranteed to have what I want at a decent price. If a store wants to price gouge someone, better to price gouge the hoarders and scalpers.
So far in my area, I have been to the local Target and Wal-Marts. Target has their BFZ with no fat packs in stock. Neither Wal-Mart has any stock of BFZ at all. Of the three FLGS I've been to, only Mox Boarding House (Card Kingdom sister-store) had any fat packs in stock, and they were charging $60. I will not pay inflated prices, so I go on the hunt to the big box stores. The stores I hit so far are all in Federal Way, WA. I'll hit some more that are further out tomorrow.
I have been trying to find these nearby and everyone, LGS and Target/Walmart, are completely sold out. My LGS seemed to imply that they won't be getting any more fat packs ever.
I will make multiple trips to Target and Walmart per day now.
So far in my area, I have been to the local Target and Wal-Marts. Target has their BFZ with no fat packs in stock. Neither Wal-Mart has any stock of BFZ at all. Of the three FLGS I've been to, only Mox Boarding House (Card Kingdom sister-store) had any fat packs in stock, and they were charging $60. I will not pay inflated prices, so I go on the hunt to the big box stores. The stores I hit so far are all in Federal Way, WA. I'll hit some more that are further out tomorrow.
Or you could buy 9 packs and wait a while for the lands to flood peoples' trade binders and store. The few dollars you are wasting on gas driving around could've bought how many full art lands?
Fat packs are rarer than we want, but the contents are flowing like some yo mama joke.
The few dollars you are wasting on gas driving around could've bought how many full art lands?
This exactly. Traffic where I live (Los Angeles) is horrendous. I could easily see burning through a tank of gas by making multiple trips to the Targets and Walmarts in the area, just to end up empty-handed. At that point, it would have just been cheaper to pay the scalpers on Ebay - and I wouldn't have wasted all that time.
I have to agree the full art lands will not hold any value there's to many out there now. Is a Land Station coming from this set ? If you can't find The Fat Packs at MSRP just buy the singles you need . If you want to play the lottery pick up a Holliday box later on.
Or I could go to the Target in Kent, WA and grab however many fat packs I want. I grabbed a couple, but there were a bunch still there. Have at it!
Just because that is doable in your area doesn't mean it is doable everywhere - I've heard people are raiding their local Wal-Marts, Targets, etc of ALL their BfZ Fatpacks.
Or I could go to the Target in Kent, WA and grab however many fat packs I want. I grabbed a couple, but there were a bunch still there. Have at it!
Just because that is doable in your area doesn't mean it is doable everywhere - I've heard people are raiding their local Wal-Marts, Targets, etc of ALL their BfZ Fatpacks.
This sort of thing has been happening a lot from what I've been told when either calling or going into places that would stock them. They put them on the shelves and usually within an hour or two, someone comes in and buys them out. I was lucky enough to grab one at a local shop on release day for MSRP within minutes of them coming in, so I got what I wanted. Its always interesting to see how people react to products like this, or the mind seize commander deck, or other such products that are in high demand and people perceive that they can profit off of them by going around and buying places out of them.
I personally just grab a fat pack of each set, even now, because I like the boxes, guides, dice, and gives me a few packs of the new set to open to have some fun with :).
One kind of thing that this has caused does piss me off. One big online webshop here took preorders for the usual price - then, as rumors swelled about the shortage, they started cancelling preorders. And now they're on sale for 60 bucks a piece. Hmm.
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Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
One kind of thing that this has caused does piss me off. One big online webshop here took preorders for the usual price - then, as rumors swelled about the shortage, they started cancelling preorders. And now they're on sale for 60 bucks a piece. Hmm.
So far in FL, a few fat packs bought at big box stores have been apparently opened, had all the product removed, filled with trash to around the same weight, and resealed. Then returned and put back on the shelf.
Here is my idea.
The first one you buy is $40USD
The second one you buy is the price of the first + $5USD, so $45USD.
The third one you buy is the price of the second + $10USD, so $55USD.
The fourth one you buy is the price of the third + $15USD, so $70USD.
The fifth would cost $90USD.
The sixth would cost $115USD.
So the nth one you buy is the price of the nth-1 + $5x(n-1).
For a hoarder buying 6 at $40USD each, it would cost that person $240USD. For a person who buys 6 fat packs at this model, would cost $415USD. This means that the price difference between this model, and keeping it at MSRP will increase the more fat packs you buy, so it punishes the one guy who buys 20, rather than the 20 guys who each buy one. The only way to ensure you can buy multiple at MSRP is to make sure the clerk doesn't know who you are, or buy one and come back at a later date, but by that time, there may be a chance that the fat packs may be sold to other people. If it happens that you would be the only person to frequent the store with this pricing model, then you can get your 20 fat packs. If not, it just means that the rest of the fat packs went to other people, and that it means that this pricing model made it so that you didn't deny others of the fat packs.
This model also makes it so the LGS isn't trying to price gouge you, only those who are trying to price gouge others. It is basically saying, this model is price gouging the price gougers.
The people buying these in bulk are not stupid enough for that to stop them from buying all the $40 fat packs they want. Seriously, it makes no sense and just encourages people willing to part with their money freely to be sneaky.
My solution is to sell them for $40 until you realize that you don't owe your customers ***** (unless they pay for it). Then jack the price up to the market price and make some money because you just sold a highly in demand product for the price they are going for. Then go home, feel good about the fact that you just provided your customers (first in line willing to pay probably) with a product they want, and then go back the next day to make money again. Game shops tend to give away more of their time and space than most other retailers.
I swear to god it's like you guys forget that wealthy game store owners are like Santa: We believe they exist until we grow up a little.
WUBRGPauper Battle BoxWUBRG ... and why I am not a fan of Wayne Reynolds' Illustrations.
My model makes it so that everyone can get it at $40, but the LGS takes a cut from those who want to buy them in bulk, and for each fat pack they buy, provided they buy them all at once, the less likely they are going to make their money back selling them, because each subsequent one they buy will cost more and more.
This model makes it so that you can be sure you can buy a fat pack at a LGS once all the big box stores have been raided by hoarders. I can also say that a LGS clerk recognizes you if you frequent that store, so unless a LGS employ multiple staff, and they each work a one hour shift, your only way to get 2 at $40 at the LGS is to come back the next day, but by that time, someone else would have bought the BFZ fat packs. Trust me, if you are a regular at a LGS, the clerks there will know you. Heck, I don't even play at a LGS, and because I keep on buying stuff there, the clerks know me.
You could also get 19 people, including you, together to buy 20 fat packs at $40 for you, but you are only depriving your 19 buddies from getting their own fat packs at $40. You could get people who have no intention of buying the BFZ fat pack at all, but in most likelihood, you will probably get a maximum of 5 or so fat packs, as I don't see how anyone can gather 19 other people who isn't really into Magic, just to buy 20 fat packs at $40, and not have to suffer the price increase for each fat pack you buy.
Let's say a big box store like Wal-Mart does the idea I put in place. Even if you can go to your car and come back, there is this 5 to 10 minute window for someone to buy one before you can snatch them all, but we aren't talking about big box stores, we are talking about LGS here.
All I'm saying is that there are ways to circumvent the whole "pay more for each subsequent fat pack you buy" idea, such as waiting a day in hopes for a different store clerk or the current store clerk forgetting who you are, or trying to gather multiple friends to buy the fat packs for you, all these workarounds makes it so that there is a window of opportunity for someone else to get their hands on the BFZ fat pack.
Apparently, someone deleted a post above me. A LGS gets more customers if they have what people want. If there is this one guy who keeps on buying the LGS's stock, thus leaving nothing, each new customer will view that store as that "out of stock" store. That is how I view things. A store using my model compared to one selling at $40, and one selling at $60, would most likely to get customers, because they know that they can be sure that they are going to get what they want at MSRP, rather than having to find out the product is out of stock, or having to pay MSRP. A LGS doesn't want to be known as the out of stock store, or the price gouging store.
A LGS that attracts me is one that has what I want, and one that does not charge high prices. I like to collect one of each theme deck and intro pack, so a store that carries a wide variety of older intro packs or theme decks would be more attractive to me, than one that only carries the latest set's worth of intro packs.
I finally got a day off and was able to visit my LGS, which to my great joy, is selling fat packs at MSRP. They are only selling one per customer, and only to known and repeat customers. If anyone is in the Lancaster, Ohio area, shot me a PM and I'll let you know where this paradise is. So far they haven't price gouged a single MTG related product, going back to at least MM1.
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These kinds of stores lead to returning customers because they aren't the "out of stock" store, or the "price gouge" store. I don't know about any of you, but an attractive LGS to me is a store that is guaranteed to have what I want at a decent price. If a store wants to price gouge someone, better to price gouge the hoarders and scalpers.
I will make multiple trips to Target and Walmart per day now.
Or you could buy 9 packs and wait a while for the lands to flood peoples' trade binders and store. The few dollars you are wasting on gas driving around could've bought how many full art lands?
Fat packs are rarer than we want, but the contents are flowing like some yo mama joke.
WUBRGPauper Battle BoxWUBRG ... and why I am not a fan of Wayne Reynolds' Illustrations.
This exactly. Traffic where I live (Los Angeles) is horrendous. I could easily see burning through a tank of gas by making multiple trips to the Targets and Walmarts in the area, just to end up empty-handed. At that point, it would have just been cheaper to pay the scalpers on Ebay - and I wouldn't have wasted all that time.
Just because that is doable in your area doesn't mean it is doable everywhere - I've heard people are raiding their local Wal-Marts, Targets, etc of ALL their BfZ Fatpacks.
This sort of thing has been happening a lot from what I've been told when either calling or going into places that would stock them. They put them on the shelves and usually within an hour or two, someone comes in and buys them out. I was lucky enough to grab one at a local shop on release day for MSRP within minutes of them coming in, so I got what I wanted. Its always interesting to see how people react to products like this, or the mind seize commander deck, or other such products that are in high demand and people perceive that they can profit off of them by going around and buying places out of them.
I personally just grab a fat pack of each set, even now, because I like the boxes, guides, dice, and gives me a few packs of the new set to open to have some fun with :).
My current trade binder.
"People most likely to cry "troll" are those who can't fathom holding a position for reasons unrelated to how they want to be perceived"
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
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My current trade binder.
"People most likely to cry "troll" are those who can't fathom holding a position for reasons unrelated to how they want to be perceived"
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My current trade binder.
"People most likely to cry "troll" are those who can't fathom holding a position for reasons unrelated to how they want to be perceived"