Basically they would need about $3,000 worth of equipment to do it and the FBI will flag anyone buying that due to fake money. So I wouldn't worry to much.
You mean that the equipment needed to print good fake cards could also be used for counterfeit currency, and would draw law enforcement attention for that reason? Seems plausible.
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That would be Secret Service instead of FBI - even though they're known for presidential security, they started out investigating fake money and still handle that.
My shop owner recently bought a volcanic island in Mint condition and was so sketchy of it being a fake due to how mint it was. And yes. To print quality that wizards does you could use that same equipment to print fake currency. Now people can still get fakes that look pretty dang good. But won't pass all the test.
As a competitor and not a collector, I personally dont have a big issue with proxies. If someone wins a GP with proxied cards, he/she still earned that victory. He or she had to make all those tough plays to make it to the trophy. From my experience, proxies don't really hurt anyone except the secondary market anyways.
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As a competitor and not a collector, I personally dont have a big issue with proxies. If someone wins a GP with proxied cards, he/she still earned that victory. He or she had to make all those tough plays to make it to the trophy. From my experience, proxies don't really hurt anyone except the secondary market anyways.
Ditto, for PROXIES. If we're at unsanctioned FNM, then by all means, proxy it up. No one is winning a GP with PROXIES, however. They'd be winning with COUNTERFEITS.
And, though one does not prove the other, if someone is willing to misrepresent counterfeits as the real deal in a GP, I would suspect they are willing to commit other dishonest acts in the course of winning. Why not? You're already risking a DQ and ban, what difference does it make?
FNM is by definition sanctioned. You can play unsanctioned games of Magic on Friday (in the evening, even), but you can't play unsanctioned Friday Night Magic.
As a competitor and not a collector, I personally dont have a big issue with proxies. If someone wins a GP with proxied cards, he/she still earned that victory. He or she had to make all those tough plays to make it to the trophy. From my experience, proxies don't really hurt anyone except the secondary market anyways.
I also veiw meyself as a competitor and not a collector. While counterfeits may not hurt competitions directly, the whole competitive scene is underpinned by the primary and secondary market. If counterfeits devalue real cards then SCG and FtF and CFB and other similar organizations can no long turn a profit then suddenly the scg open series and the mana deprived super series is gone and there is no one to put on GPs.
FNM is by definition sanctioned. You can play unsanctioned games of Magic on Friday (in the evening, even), but you can't play unsanctioned Friday Night Magic.
Fair enough, but you get the idea. Back in the day (before our beloved shop owner sold his store) we played sanction Vintage on Wednesday, and then occasionally there'd be an unsanctioned weekend tournament. Proxies are A-Ok for the latter, counterfeits are not ok for the former.
Buying "Toaster pastries" instead of Poptarts is like playing a knock-off of Magic instead of Magic. You're deciding that the difference in quality isn't worth the difference in price.
I think the main issue with regard to these new knock-offs is that they are approaching the point where there is no more detectable difference in quality. Or like I said, maybe they've already got there and we just haven't realized it.
I've been tempted to buy some proxies of reserved list cards both for play and collecting. I don't ever see myself realistically ever getting a legit power 9 or having the money for it. If I could get some really good proxies I'd be happy with them.
I mainly play standard, draft and EDH. I think I would probably only use proxies for EDH.
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Basically they would need about $3,000 worth of equipment to do it and the FBI will flag anyone buying that due to fake money. So I wouldn't worry to much.
Assuming that is actually true - a printing press alone causing that sort of flagging in of itself (source?) - it's not like, if they truly cared, they couldn't have a front, a "face" to legitimize their operations...
Basically they would need about $3,000 worth of equipment to do it and the FBI will flag anyone buying that due to fake money. So I wouldn't worry to much.
Assuming that is actually true - a printing press alone causing that sort of flagging in of itself (source?) - it's not like, if they truly cared, they couldn't have a front, a "face" to legitimize their operations...
If you buy something that is extra ordinary without any visible need for that (like you have a printing shop) , you will be flagged and you will be observed, thats nothing special.
Anyone that would buy such equipment has "normally" good reason to do so.
solid industrial offset printing presses, like those used for magic cards, cost you in the neighborhood of a third to a half of a million dollars. It's not a cheap startup. There's a reason most of the fakes have been large scale printing offices in china.
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If you buy something that is extra ordinary without any visible need for that (like you have a printing shop) , you will be flagged and you will be observed, thats nothing special.
Assuming it is true, again, that's why I'd figure operations would work out of an existing company, or start a legitimate company that acts as a front for faking printed goods *not just magic,* or something dopey like that, but I just speculate.
I'm not entirely sure on the flagging bit, got a source? I mean to ask only for the sake of being informed, 'cause "knowing is half the battle" is not just a clever phrase heard in a cartoon, ya know.
It just feels weird, I mean, perhaps a bad comparison, but computers can be used for cyber crime all the time - I worked at a computer camp for 6 years, and never heard of them being given a hard time, flagged, for renting some 35-40+ computers...
In order to make cards that are identical in every way to real MTG cards you're looking at spending millions on such an operation/something most people don't have.
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Basically they would need about $3,000 worth of equipment to do it and the FBI will flag anyone buying that due to fake money. So I wouldn't worry to much.
Assuming that is actually true - a printing press alone causing that sort of flagging in of itself (source?) - it's not like, if they truly cared, they couldn't have a front, a "face" to legitimize their operations...
If you buy something that is extra ordinary without any visible need for that (like you have a printing shop) , you will be flagged and you will be observed, thats nothing special.
Anyone that would buy such equipment has "normally" good reason to do so.
Except the counterfeits are coming out of China, who hardly care about their citizens counterfeiting american children card games.
In this case it would still be FBI. Secret Service does handle fake money but the FBI handles all other types of counterfeiting. The type of high quality printers and ink you need to reproduce a magic card is completely different from the kind you would need to reproduce money(especially the ink , which is illegal for sale).
You're all vastly overestimating:
a) The importance of Magic: The Gathering counterfeits (lol FBI and the men in black will come for you).
b) The actual profit one could make counterfeiting cards.
c) The quality of current counterfeits on the market.
A) It's a game. The biggest problem anyone could get on is copyright infringement, don't smoke your crime novels while reading.
Hasbro is extremely lawsuit happy, if they're not putting people in the pillory it's because either they can't or it's worthless to them as a business. Lawsuits are expensive after all.
B) The minimum investment one is looking to make is $12k plus the time needed to sell 2k copies of 54 cards without being overtly suspicious. If your cards have any mistake say goodbye to selling as the real deal and hello to the much less profitable (if any at all) "proxi" market.
C) Sure a smart counterfeiter thinking long term could make 54k Liliana of the Veil and 54k Snapcaster Mage and probably get away with it by dripping playsets on Ebay along a couple years. But in truth the counterfeiters we've got so far are the kind to make english revised duals with black borders, mono "atifact" Black Lotuses, 2/2 Dark Confidants, Vendillion Cliques that "comes in to play" or just scan the cards instead of creating digital files, which makes them instantly detectable to the loupe.
WotC hasn't upped their game at giving us the staples we need to beat their chinese-made competition, because there really isn't any.
I figured the feds probably wouldn't come after you for fake magic cards. The idea was that the equipment might arouse suspicion of fake money. Apparently not even that is true. I was mostly referring to what someone else said about that.
C) Sure a smart counterfeiter thinking long term could make 54k Liliana of the Veil and 54k Snapcaster Mage and probably get away with it by dripping playsets on Ebay along a couple years. But in truth the counterfeiters we've got so far are the kind to make english revised duals with black borders, mono "atifact" Black Lotuses, 2/2 Dark Confidants, Vendillion Cliques that "comes in to play" or just scan the cards instead of creating digital files, which makes them instantly detectable to the loupe.
That, however, doesn't change that they keep trying (and as long as there is at least some demand that would - to them - justify trying), nor IMO does it discount the possibility (irrespective of how minute or not) that eventually they will get even closer. The fact that WotC has not substantially upped their game to beat the counterfeiters doesn't necessarily mean those are outside the realm of possibility - so far as reprints, surely you'd remember that there are other factors governing the reprints (especially if we go into the realm of older cards) than just counterfeiting.
And as for the upfront costs, again, that's why IMO odds are (of course, I am just speculating) they would use an existing company, or factory, rather than going to all the trouble of buying equipment, etc JUST to counterfeit MTG product.
And as for the upfront costs, again, that's why IMO odds are (of course, I am just speculating) they would use an existing company, or factory, rather than going to all the trouble of buying equipment, etc JUST to counterfeit MTG product.
$9-12k is the cheapest you'll get charged for a print run of similar quality to Magic cards from a shady printing company. Machines to actually get in the printing press business, plus the bare minimum on storage, ink and paper, well you could buy a house instead.
$12k is too much money to waste in 2/2 Dark Confidants. That's why most of these operations are one hit wonders.
I have zero qualms with folks using counterfeits of legacy reserve list cards that are 200-300$ a piece. I want more legacy players in my area. Just because someone uses a counterfeit doesn't mean they would have/can buy the real licensed product. Most stores make money by foot traffic anyways - sleeves, food, a 2$-5$ card sell here and there, than luxury singles of say Tabernacle, etc. As for WoTC, well, they brought this problem on themselves via the Reserve list. They could fix this 'problem' if they really wanted to.
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Scalding Tarn
Misty Rainforest
Verdant Catacombs
Marsh Flats
Arid Mesa
Flooded Strand
Polluted Delta
Wooded Foothills
Bloodstained Mire
Windswept Heath
Tarmogoyf
Dark confident MM
Cryptic Command LORWYN
Linvala, Keeper of Silence
Karn Liberated
Twilight Mire
Horizon Canopy
Flooded Grove
Cavern of Souls
Azusa, Lost but Seeking
Sword of Light and Shadow
Sword of Feast and Famine
Sword of War and Peace
Threads of Disloyalty
Scapeshift
Thoughtseize LORWYN
Ensnaring Bridge
Arcbound Ravager
Spellskite
Sunken Ruins
Voice of Resurgence
Blood Moon
Splinter Twin
Cascade Bluffs
Primeval Titan
Elspeth, Knight-Errant
bitterblossom
Remand
Liliana of the veil
Abrupt Decay
Chalice of the Void
Daybreak coronet
Snapcaster Mage
Phyrexian Obliterator
Geist of Saint Traft
Kikj-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
Steam Vents
Sacred Foundry
Temple Garden
Overgrown Tomb
Breeding Pool
Blood crypt
Godless Shrine
Hallowed Fountain
Watery Grave
Stomping Ground
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Underground Sea Revised
Badlands Revised
Taiga Revised
Savannah Revised
Scrubland Revised
Volcanic Island Revised
Bayou Revised
Plateau Revised
Tropical Island Revised
Batterskull
Tarmogoyf
Dark Confidant 2004
Rishadan Port
Imperial recuritor
Ancient Tomb
Gaea's Cradle
Force of will
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Jace Beleren
Lion's Eye Diamond
Vendilion Clique
Wasteland
City of Traitors
Show and Tell
Liliana of the Veil
Sneak Attack
Stifle
Mox Opal
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
Mox Diamond
Sword of Fire and Ice
Damnation
Flusterstorm
Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
Emrakul, the Arons Torn
Fluminator Mage
Crucible of Worlds
Umezawa's Jettle
Grove of the Burnwillows
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
Sinkhole
Chrome Mox
Sensei's Diving Top
Glimpse of Nature
Iona,Shield of Emeria
Leyline of Sanctity
Stoneforge Mystic
Entomb
Goblin Guide
Aether Vial
Natural Order
Nobel Hierarch
Karakas
Grisebrand
Snapcaster Mage
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Mox Jet Beta
Mox Emerald Beta
Mox Pearl Beta
Mox Ruby Beta
Mox Sapphire Beta
Black Lotus Beta
Ancest Recall Beta
Time Walk Beta
Time Twist Beta
Time Vault
Demonic Tutor
Library of Alexandria
Moat
Bazaar of Baghdad
Juzam Djinn
Nether Void
The Abyss
Intution
Mana Crypt
Mana Drain
Forcefield
Candelabra of Tawnos
Vampiric Tutor
Enlighted Tutor
Wasteland
Imperial Seal
Mishras Workshop
Maze of Ith
Scalding Tarn
Arid Mesa
Marsh Flats
Misty rainforest
Tolarian Academy
Force of will
The Tabernacle at Pendrell
Capture of Jingzhou
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Underground Sea Beta
Badlands Beta
Taiga Beta
Savannah Beta
Scrubland Beta
Volcanic Island Beta
Bayou Beta
Plateau Beta
Tropical Island Beta
Unhinged Mountain
Unhinged Swamp
Unhinged Forest
Unhinged Island
Unhinged Plains
Guru Mountain
Guru Swamp
Guru Forest
Guru Island
Guru Plains
This is why I don't trade with people I don't know. I've already encountered a fake Guru Island at the LGS, the counterfeiters cannot fake the foilstamp on the set logo.
This is why I don't trade with people I don't know. I've already encountered a fake Guru Island at the LGS, the counterfeiters cannot fake the foilstamp on the set logo.
Remember that statements like this always have to be qualified with 2 additions: "yet," and "that we know of."
Can't imagine why everyone thinks the existence of low-quality counterfeits means that there are no high-quality ones out there, ones that are good enough to pass off as the real thing under all, or all but the most detailed, inspections.
Not to mention, all the RL cards that Wizards won't reprint with the holofoil, [sarcasm] because the RL is the single most important thing they've ever done, and all decisions must be RL-compliant. [/sarcasm]
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Cards are game pieces, and should be treated as such, easily replaceable.
Cards are not money, investments, or a retirement fund, and should never have been treated as such.
Wizards made a mistake caving to speculators once, and we still pay for that mistake 2 decades later.
"Entitled:" the entire ad hominem fallacy condensed into a single word. It doesn't strengthen your argument to attack motivations, it just makes you look like you don't understand the argument.
As more and more fakes get churned out, I hope they all find homes in Cubes and just sit in someone's basement. I wager many of them will, for the time being. But, down the road, they'll start to find their way into the game in a larger way. Then, we will be in the Age of Extreme Pricing, where our Star City Overlords can double the price for authenticated cards. Hooray!
Not to mention, all the RL cards that Wizards won't reprint with the holofoil, [sarcasm] because the RL is the single most important thing they've ever done, and all decisions must be RL-compliant. [/sarcasm]
Hey, when you run a successful company like Wizards and grow a game that would normally just be a fad into what is practically becoming an eSport, then you can criticize. Besides, it's a red herring anyway. They can reprint all the powerful cards they like even with the Reserve List, they just choose not to. (Snow duals, Snow Moxen, blah blah).
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My shop owner recently bought a volcanic island in Mint condition and was so sketchy of it being a fake due to how mint it was. And yes. To print quality that wizards does you could use that same equipment to print fake currency. Now people can still get fakes that look pretty dang good. But won't pass all the test.
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Ditto, for PROXIES. If we're at unsanctioned FNM, then by all means, proxy it up. No one is winning a GP with PROXIES, however. They'd be winning with COUNTERFEITS.
And, though one does not prove the other, if someone is willing to misrepresent counterfeits as the real deal in a GP, I would suspect they are willing to commit other dishonest acts in the course of winning. Why not? You're already risking a DQ and ban, what difference does it make?
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I also veiw meyself as a competitor and not a collector. While counterfeits may not hurt competitions directly, the whole competitive scene is underpinned by the primary and secondary market. If counterfeits devalue real cards then SCG and FtF and CFB and other similar organizations can no long turn a profit then suddenly the scg open series and the mana deprived super series is gone and there is no one to put on GPs.
Fair enough, but you get the idea. Back in the day (before our beloved shop owner sold his store) we played sanction Vintage on Wednesday, and then occasionally there'd be an unsanctioned weekend tournament. Proxies are A-Ok for the latter, counterfeits are not ok for the former.
I think the main issue with regard to these new knock-offs is that they are approaching the point where there is no more detectable difference in quality. Or like I said, maybe they've already got there and we just haven't realized it.
I mainly play standard, draft and EDH. I think I would probably only use proxies for EDH.
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Assuming that is actually true - a printing press alone causing that sort of flagging in of itself (source?) - it's not like, if they truly cared, they couldn't have a front, a "face" to legitimize their operations...
If you buy something that is extra ordinary without any visible need for that (like you have a printing shop) , you will be flagged and you will be observed, thats nothing special.
Anyone that would buy such equipment has "normally" good reason to do so.
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Assuming it is true, again, that's why I'd figure operations would work out of an existing company, or start a legitimate company that acts as a front for faking printed goods *not just magic,* or something dopey like that, but I just speculate.
I'm not entirely sure on the flagging bit, got a source? I mean to ask only for the sake of being informed, 'cause "knowing is half the battle" is not just a clever phrase heard in a cartoon, ya know.
It just feels weird, I mean, perhaps a bad comparison, but computers can be used for cyber crime all the time - I worked at a computer camp for 6 years, and never heard of them being given a hard time, flagged, for renting some 35-40+ computers...
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Except the counterfeits are coming out of China, who hardly care about their citizens counterfeiting american children card games.
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a) The importance of Magic: The Gathering counterfeits (lol FBI and the men in black will come for you).
b) The actual profit one could make counterfeiting cards.
c) The quality of current counterfeits on the market.
A) It's a game. The biggest problem anyone could get on is copyright infringement, don't smoke your crime novels while reading.
Hasbro is extremely lawsuit happy, if they're not putting people in the pillory it's because either they can't or it's worthless to them as a business. Lawsuits are expensive after all.
B) The minimum investment one is looking to make is $12k plus the time needed to sell 2k copies of 54 cards without being overtly suspicious. If your cards have any mistake say goodbye to selling as the real deal and hello to the much less profitable (if any at all) "proxi" market.
C) Sure a smart counterfeiter thinking long term could make 54k Liliana of the Veil and 54k Snapcaster Mage and probably get away with it by dripping playsets on Ebay along a couple years. But in truth the counterfeiters we've got so far are the kind to make english revised duals with black borders, mono "atifact" Black Lotuses, 2/2 Dark Confidants, Vendillion Cliques that "comes in to play" or just scan the cards instead of creating digital files, which makes them instantly detectable to the loupe.
WotC hasn't upped their game at giving us the staples we need to beat their chinese-made competition, because there really isn't any.
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That, however, doesn't change that they keep trying (and as long as there is at least some demand that would - to them - justify trying), nor IMO does it discount the possibility (irrespective of how minute or not) that eventually they will get even closer. The fact that WotC has not substantially upped their game to beat the counterfeiters doesn't necessarily mean those are outside the realm of possibility - so far as reprints, surely you'd remember that there are other factors governing the reprints (especially if we go into the realm of older cards) than just counterfeiting.
And as for the upfront costs, again, that's why IMO odds are (of course, I am just speculating) they would use an existing company, or factory, rather than going to all the trouble of buying equipment, etc JUST to counterfeit MTG product.
$9-12k is the cheapest you'll get charged for a print run of similar quality to Magic cards from a shady printing company. Machines to actually get in the printing press business, plus the bare minimum on storage, ink and paper, well you could buy a house instead.
$12k is too much money to waste in 2/2 Dark Confidants. That's why most of these operations are one hit wonders.
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Modern Set A
Scalding Tarn
Misty Rainforest
Verdant Catacombs
Marsh Flats
Arid Mesa
Flooded Strand
Polluted Delta
Wooded Foothills
Bloodstained Mire
Windswept Heath
Tarmogoyf
Dark confident MM
Cryptic Command LORWYN
Linvala, Keeper of Silence
Karn Liberated
Twilight Mire
Horizon Canopy
Flooded Grove
Cavern of Souls
Azusa, Lost but Seeking
Sword of Light and Shadow
Sword of Feast and Famine
Sword of War and Peace
Threads of Disloyalty
Scapeshift
Thoughtseize LORWYN
Ensnaring Bridge
Arcbound Ravager
Spellskite
Sunken Ruins
Voice of Resurgence
Blood Moon
Splinter Twin
Cascade Bluffs
Primeval Titan
Elspeth, Knight-Errant
bitterblossom
Remand
Liliana of the veil
Abrupt Decay
Chalice of the Void
Daybreak coronet
Snapcaster Mage
Phyrexian Obliterator
Geist of Saint Traft
Kikj-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
Steam Vents
Sacred Foundry
Temple Garden
Overgrown Tomb
Breeding Pool
Blood crypt
Godless Shrine
Hallowed Fountain
Watery Grave
Stomping Ground
List B:
Tundra Revised
Underground Sea Revised
Badlands Revised
Taiga Revised
Savannah Revised
Scrubland Revised
Volcanic Island Revised
Bayou Revised
Plateau Revised
Tropical Island Revised
Batterskull
Tarmogoyf
Dark Confidant 2004
Rishadan Port
Imperial recuritor
Ancient Tomb
Gaea's Cradle
Force of will
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Jace Beleren
Lion's Eye Diamond
Vendilion Clique
Wasteland
City of Traitors
Show and Tell
Liliana of the Veil
Sneak Attack
Stifle
Mox Opal
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
Mox Diamond
Sword of Fire and Ice
Damnation
Flusterstorm
Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
Emrakul, the Arons Torn
Fluminator Mage
Crucible of Worlds
Umezawa's Jettle
Grove of the Burnwillows
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
Sinkhole
Chrome Mox
Sensei's Diving Top
Glimpse of Nature
Iona,Shield of Emeria
Leyline of Sanctity
Stoneforge Mystic
Entomb
Goblin Guide
Aether Vial
Natural Order
Nobel Hierarch
Karakas
Grisebrand
Snapcaster Mage
List C:
Mox Jet Beta
Mox Emerald Beta
Mox Pearl Beta
Mox Ruby Beta
Mox Sapphire Beta
Black Lotus Beta
Ancest Recall Beta
Time Walk Beta
Time Twist Beta
Time Vault
Demonic Tutor
Library of Alexandria
Moat
Bazaar of Baghdad
Juzam Djinn
Nether Void
The Abyss
Intution
Mana Crypt
Mana Drain
Forcefield
Candelabra of Tawnos
Vampiric Tutor
Enlighted Tutor
Wasteland
Imperial Seal
Mishras Workshop
Maze of Ith
Scalding Tarn
Arid Mesa
Marsh Flats
Misty rainforest
Tolarian Academy
Force of will
The Tabernacle at Pendrell
Capture of Jingzhou
Tundra Beta
Underground Sea Beta
Badlands Beta
Taiga Beta
Savannah Beta
Scrubland Beta
Volcanic Island Beta
Bayou Beta
Plateau Beta
Tropical Island Beta
Unhinged Mountain
Unhinged Swamp
Unhinged Forest
Unhinged Island
Unhinged Plains
Guru Mountain
Guru Swamp
Guru Forest
Guru Island
Guru Plains
R/W Devotion
Mono-R Devotion
Legacy
Burn
Punishing Jund
Remember that statements like this always have to be qualified with 2 additions: "yet," and "that we know of."
Can't imagine why everyone thinks the existence of low-quality counterfeits means that there are no high-quality ones out there, ones that are good enough to pass off as the real thing under all, or all but the most detailed, inspections.
Not to mention, all the RL cards that Wizards won't reprint with the holofoil, [sarcasm] because the RL is the single most important thing they've ever done, and all decisions must be RL-compliant. [/sarcasm]
Cards are not money, investments, or a retirement fund, and should never have been treated as such.
Wizards made a mistake caving to speculators once, and we still pay for that mistake 2 decades later.
"Entitled:" the entire ad hominem fallacy condensed into a single word. It doesn't strengthen your argument to attack motivations, it just makes you look like you don't understand the argument.
Hey, when you run a successful company like Wizards and grow a game that would normally just be a fad into what is practically becoming an eSport, then you can criticize. Besides, it's a red herring anyway. They can reprint all the powerful cards they like even with the Reserve List, they just choose not to. (Snow duals, Snow Moxen, blah blah).