If a Golem made of Silver can become a planeswalker, I imagine an angel made of mana can become one also.
Having said that angels and demons in Magic lore seem to not be the directly opposite beings that they are in other lore.
Angels are consistently portrayed as beings created of mana to fullfill a purpose. from Serra angel to Akroma to Avacyn Angels are primarily white mana purpose formed for the purpose of order and preservation.
The opposite of angels in magic are Devils which seem to generally be Red manifestations of Chaos and Destruction.
Deamons however seem to be living beings transformed by high levels of power and corruption. Raksasha for example are a full fledged demon race, as is what ever race Tibalt is. But beings like Leshrac and Ob nix were converted from one living race to full fledged demon.
with that in mind I dont expect to see an ANGEL planes walker unless the story bends the rules in some way to do so in the same way Karn was created.
Deamons however seem to be living beings transformed by high levels of power and corruption. Raksasha for example are a full fledged demon race, as is what ever race Tibalt is. But beings like Leshrac and Ob nix were converted from one living race to full fledged demon.
I've always felt like demons have been the opposite of angels in terms of flavor and functionality in the game. While you're right in that the stories have usually made the distinction that angels are manifestations of mana rather than a being formed from another being (in contrast to demons), there are a few instances where we do see the latter (i.e. angelic destiny, paragon of the amesha, and call to serve). So IMO, an angel planeswalker isn't completely out of the question, but I'll at least want to see an example of someone like ob nixilis being able to regain his spark while still be a demon before we can expect an angel planeswalker any time soon.
I think there is a good chance we will see something like this in a future Commander deck if not in standard.
I think C14 proved that a) players want more racial PW, b) players want old characters. if you followed the C14 articles the PW were designed mechanically first then characters assigned to them.
just need a white angel themed deck that want's a PW that acts like a creature.
I think Standard playable PW are a little more achetype locked, and I'm not sure there is room in the white PW roster for anything new (I am assuming Nahari as a equip theme is gonna happen soon).
Deamons however seem to be living beings transformed by high levels of power and corruption. Raksasha for example are a full fledged demon race, as is what ever race Tibalt is. But beings like Leshrac and Ob nix were converted from one living race to full fledged demon.
What? This is all wrong. Did you just make this all up?
The only demons in magic history that haven't been black mana manifestations were the Theros ones.
Tibalt is a human planewalker who was merged with Innistrad devils. Hes not a demon or part of a demon race.
Leshrac was a planeswalker. He was never a demon or ever claimed to be.
Ob was a planeswalker as well who got trapped in a form he was using at the time by Zendikars crazy environment. He could have been trapped in any form. A turtle, goblin or even angel.
fair enough I didnt know the tibalt story and he is devil not demon anyway so should not have been included.
I was probably thinking MINION of Leshrac when I was thinking about Leshrac
and as far as Ob Nix is concerned I dont think he was simply trapped in a demon form but the history has not really been explained for him.
As for the rest Demons in magic are like dragons on Tarkir. if thats a mana maefestation or a living race you make the call.
Ob axtually has a bigger backstory than most characters. I know there are a couple Uncharted Realms stories about Ob.
Looking at our own wiki it appears the chain veil Liliana currently has is what turned him into a demon.
Ob Nixilis was a human warlord and tyrant who became a planeswalker when he discovered that he was manipulated by demons to be the sole survivor of a world that only knew war. Once he had discovered how to planeswalk, he decided to take over other worlds. To that, he got his hands on the Chain Veil but it unexpectedly turned him into a Demon.
sweet. I though i head read up a lot on Ob Nix I like him because I heard stories from wizards developers as to how he was created (he was basically an abandoned story thread in zendikar block.)
but I had not read about his relation to the chain veil. when/where is that?
... I though Karn got his spark from a planeswalker named xancha or something... but i could be wrong.
anyway i think sentience is required. but its more than that. angels and devils are sentient but I dont thinkn they can be planeswalkers. Normal dragons can become planeswalkers... but i am not sure that Ugins dragons can become planes walkers. (they are more like angels) random animals, blades of grass and creatures with no individuality (like slivers) likely cant become planeswalkers.
undead cant become planeswalkers (they have already died) but vampires in magic arent exactly the undead in the same way zombies are.
Goblins however CAN become planeswalkers... so the bar is not THAT high.
I think slivers are more like insects with that hive mind and all. So unless ants or bees have sparks, I'd guess no, they cannot become planeswalkers.
Karn has Glacian's/ Urza's spark.
Karn, Urza's head, Gerrard and the legacy weapon artifacts (which included a plane shifting warp drive) were all fused together when they killed Yawgmoth.
He then later lost it when he turned into a Phyrexian and got it back when Venser teleported his heart into him (wtf?).
Xantcha was a phyrexian sleeper agent Urza rescued. Her Heartstone was used in Karn's creation. Its the reason he has a personality and consciousness.
Having said that angels and demons in Magic lore seem to not be the directly opposite beings that they are in other lore.
Angels are consistently portrayed as beings created of mana to fullfill a purpose. from Serra angel to Akroma to Avacyn Angels are primarily white mana purpose formed for the purpose of order and preservation.
The opposite of angels in magic are Devils which seem to generally be Red manifestations of Chaos and Destruction.
Deamons however seem to be living beings transformed by high levels of power and corruption. Raksasha for example are a full fledged demon race, as is what ever race Tibalt is. But beings like Leshrac and Ob nix were converted from one living race to full fledged demon.
with that in mind I dont expect to see an ANGEL planes walker unless the story bends the rules in some way to do so in the same way Karn was created.
I've always felt like demons have been the opposite of angels in terms of flavor and functionality in the game. While you're right in that the stories have usually made the distinction that angels are manifestations of mana rather than a being formed from another being (in contrast to demons), there are a few instances where we do see the latter (i.e. angelic destiny, paragon of the amesha, and call to serve). So IMO, an angel planeswalker isn't completely out of the question, but I'll at least want to see an example of someone like ob nixilis being able to regain his spark while still be a demon before we can expect an angel planeswalker any time soon.
I think C14 proved that a) players want more racial PW, b) players want old characters. if you followed the C14 articles the PW were designed mechanically first then characters assigned to them.
just need a white angel themed deck that want's a PW that acts like a creature.
I think Standard playable PW are a little more achetype locked, and I'm not sure there is room in the white PW roster for anything new (I am assuming Nahari as a equip theme is gonna happen soon).
What? This is all wrong. Did you just make this all up?
The only demons in magic history that haven't been black mana manifestations were the Theros ones.
Tibalt is a human planewalker who was merged with Innistrad devils. Hes not a demon or part of a demon race.
Leshrac was a planeswalker. He was never a demon or ever claimed to be.
Ob was a planeswalker as well who got trapped in a form he was using at the time by Zendikars crazy environment. He could have been trapped in any form. A turtle, goblin or even angel.
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I was probably thinking MINION of Leshrac when I was thinking about Leshrac
and as far as Ob Nix is concerned I dont think he was simply trapped in a demon form but the history has not really been explained for him.
As for the rest Demons in magic are like dragons on Tarkir. if thats a mana maefestation or a living race you make the call.
Looking at our own wiki it appears the chain veil Liliana currently has is what turned him into a demon.
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Ob_Nixilis#cite_note-2
B Lover Since '09 ~
Standard:
meh.
Modern:
Urzatron GR
Vintage:
Contol-Slaver UBR
EDH:
Drana B
Jhoira UR
Savra BG
Turned into:
Adun Oakenshield BGR
Sharuum BUW
Turned into:
Memnarch U
KiKi-Jiki R
Turned into:
Godo R
Turned into:
Aurelia RW
The Mimeoplasm UBG
Rasputin Dreamweaver UW
Turned into:
Geist of Saint Traft -French 1v1 UW
Nekusar UBR
but I had not read about his relation to the chain veil. when/where is that?
anyway i think sentience is required. but its more than that. angels and devils are sentient but I dont thinkn they can be planeswalkers. Normal dragons can become planeswalkers... but i am not sure that Ugins dragons can become planes walkers. (they are more like angels) random animals, blades of grass and creatures with no individuality (like slivers) likely cant become planeswalkers.
undead cant become planeswalkers (they have already died) but vampires in magic arent exactly the undead in the same way zombies are.
Goblins however CAN become planeswalkers... so the bar is not THAT high.
Karn has Glacian's/ Urza's spark.
Karn, Urza's head, Gerrard and the legacy weapon artifacts (which included a plane shifting warp drive) were all fused together when they killed Yawgmoth.
He then later lost it when he turned into a Phyrexian and got it back when Venser teleported his heart into him (wtf?).
Xantcha was a phyrexian sleeper agent Urza rescued. Her Heartstone was used in Karn's creation. Its the reason he has a personality and consciousness.
B Lover Since '09 ~
Standard:
meh.
Modern:
Urzatron GR
Vintage:
Contol-Slaver UBR
EDH:
Drana B
Jhoira UR
Savra BG
Turned into:
Adun Oakenshield BGR
Sharuum BUW
Turned into:
Memnarch U
KiKi-Jiki R
Turned into:
Godo R
Turned into:
Aurelia RW
The Mimeoplasm UBG
Rasputin Dreamweaver UW
Turned into:
Geist of Saint Traft -French 1v1 UW
Nekusar UBR
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