Magic need a fast way to changes his metagames, standards changes every 3 months but them we get stuck on the same cards, some cards are introduced in Modern too and changes the megatame quickly ang get banned too, legacy and vintage are dead formats
I feel the idea of MaRo of make 2 sets are great BUT we need MORE CARDS in each set like 400-500 or make this sets comes early, like every 2 months
So whit 400 cards and 2 months its pretty easy to do, reprint always an 20-25% of MTG history card pool and the 50% rest its crappy limited things and the 25% rest is constructed standard format, so everyone its happy
Standard problem solved, Modern reprint solved, and legacy/vintage are dead so no problem at all
What do you think?
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I think that there's only going to be a certain amount of viable cards in Standard at any given time. I don't think printing 400-500 cards means we have more cards that matter.
Maybe that's overly pessimistic.
Also, I think you're trivializing the card creation process.
Legacy is dead don't make me laugh. Legacy is thriving whether you choose to acknowledge that is another matter. A set every two months? Not going to happen. They JUST changed standard rotation starting with BFZ. They aren't going to change it again in the near future. 400-500 card sets sounds incredibly terrible too as the number of rares and mythics in a set is so divided/they print something like tarmogoyf at mythic rarity the price will be absolutely bonkers as you'll be seeing one copy of said card every 3 boxes or something stupid like that. Your proposal is not logistically possible. Design space is also recycled like crazy or dries up way faster too.
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you do not want more cards per set as it would really make draft miserable. That would kill magic. If they wanted to inject new cards into Modern and bypass standard, it is possible through some supplementary product, or with Modern Masters 3...but by now I think it is established that those will be reprint only sets, like how core sets used to be.
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I sure hope this never happens, as it will kill draft. Also, standard changes every couple weeks right now anyway. Yes, last standard got solved pretty fast but this season has been changing every week. One week its esper dragons, now its Den Protector anything, this weekend at an IQ it was green red dominating. I'm loving it right now.
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I apologize if I am just responding to a troll post, but seriously?
The reason a lot of players (like myself) won't touch standard with a 10foot pole is because the format changes too quickly and by the time I build a deck get a chance to play it 2-3 times half of is rotated out.
Also, legacy and vintage are NOT dead formats. Infact they get new cards more often than standard and modern thanks to stuff like commander, planechase and whatnot. If you look back 5 years by 6 month intervals you will see different "teir 1 deck" each time. I don't mean this as a slight to modern, but just as comparison, legacy evolves a lot more and a lot faster and without someone tweaking the format every few months with a ban list.
Like 1-2 really big sets might be ok, faster set releases and big sets would really mess up limited.
The time of Time Spiral i really enjoyed and i like many cards, i like to play Limited so i dont really care for constructed, as you will only play the best cards in constructed anyway, no matter how many crappy commons and worthless rares you have and just printing MORE cards does not equal more good cards.
However, a bunch of other kinds of players do not like too many sets and too many cards.
Collectors dislike it, prices spike if you have a worse ratio of rares/mythics and in the end you want to have a PreRelease for each set, a "Release" for each set and some tournaments across the field, while also providing a feasable limited pool for players to figure out , and all that takes time.
If all you do is open cards and you enjoy the spoiler (i really do, new cards are great) , then you will be disapointed and magic wont change to what you like, as magic allready moved away from doing so.
We had core set and rather large expansions, and in Time Spiral Block we even go "extra" cards in the form of the Time Shifter cards and extra Editions like Coldsnap. The card production itself means you need artwork for each card, even the crappy commons and you want some decent artwork, not mass production, some flavour for the cards and promotion, spoiler season and the like.
Cycles of 4 Month are totally fair, especially as additional product is mixed in, like Commander. Sure they could go all in and produce way more cards, but in the end, that will saturate a market pretty fast, and when players just dont care anymore as they get too much, its not helping anything.
All that said, i would totally enjoy more sets and more cards, but i also dont buy booster packs outside of FNM drafts and the occasional cool rare i buy as singles, so i am also not really a good customer in that regard.
Promo products like Commander i do buy if i like the rares. Others just buy that product because its worth its money, or has some special expensive cards, and WotC still prints the Intro packs, Clash Decks and what not, which most of the time arent worth its money, only have reprints, but at least some new art for some cards, which is also a selling point.
If i could wish, i would even go as far to give a card multiple artworks. Provide me more "foil" levels of cards. Give me some "full"-art versions that are more rare, give me foil full-art which are even more rare and maybe provide me black/white versions of specific rares/mythics as super chase cards in very low numbers.
As the cards are available in their "normal" form, this would just make some versions of them extremly expensive and collectable , i would totally appreachiate this, but WotC currently does not do that.
But who knows. Magic changed a lot over time, maybe it will just change again and again and again, but its quite unlikely that it gets back to something it allready was, we are open for new mistakes, not repeating them.
I actually want less new sets per year or fewer supplementary product. As a collector, stuff is expensive yo. As a player, just keep upgrading and metagaming.
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Magic need a fast way to changes his metagames, standards changes every 3 months but them we get stuck on the same cards, some cards are introduced in Modern too and changes the megatame quickly ang get banned too, legacy and vintage are dead formats
I feel the idea of MaRo of make 2 sets are great BUT we need MORE CARDS in each set like 400-500 or make this sets comes early, like every 2 months
So whit 400 cards and 2 months its pretty easy to do, reprint always an 20-25% of MTG history card pool and the 50% rest its crappy limited things and the 25% rest is constructed standard format, so everyone its happy
Standard problem solved, Modern reprint solved, and legacy/vintage are dead so no problem at all
What do you think?
Any follow up after ready the replies? How are they dead? Cards printed in standard are entering legacy: DRS and abrupt decay. Recently DTT.
To the OP, do you really need Standard to be more swingy than it already is?
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however... I DO think that wizards should consider making suplimentary product legal in modern the same way its legal in Legacy.
We should be able to use cards from recent supplementary sets like Commander and plane chase to widen the modern pool with powerfull cards.
any broken entrants like True Name Nemisis can simply be banned but the rest of the cards should see play in all eternal formats that adhere to their time frame.
I think making all new produce usable in modern would be pretty cool. It's always confusing when a new player comes into the store, buys something brand new, and then you tell them it's illegal in alot of formats. I understand not adding it to standard of course, but should be able to be added to modern.
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Magic need a fast way to changes his metagames, standards changes every 3 months but them we get stuck on the same cards, some cards are introduced in Modern too and changes the megatame quickly ang get banned too, legacy and vintage are dead formats
I feel the idea of MaRo of make 2 sets are great BUT we need MORE CARDS in each set like 400-500 or make this sets comes early, like every 2 months
So whit 400 cards and 2 months its pretty easy to do, reprint always an 20-25% of MTG history card pool and the 50% rest its crappy limited things and the 25% rest is constructed standard format, so everyone its happy
Standard problem solved, Modern reprint solved, and legacy/vintage are dead so no problem at all
What do you think?
I think you need to present this in a manner that doesn't sound like you're whining. Or share whatever you're smoking with the rest of us.
Magic need a fast way to changes his metagames, standards changes every 3 months but them we get stuck on the same cards...
Why do you feel the Standard metagame needs to change faster? 3 months is actually a pretty reasonable amount of time between injections of new cards - it allows enough time for players to explore different strategies to find what works, then gives an acceptable amount of time for those successful strategies to put up results. And with Standard about to shift to a more frequent rotation schedule, wouldn't you be sort of getting your wish anyway?
I feel the idea of MaRo of make 2 sets are great BUT we need MORE CARDS in each set like 400-500 or make this sets comes early, like every 2 months
So whit 400 cards and 2 months its pretty easy to do, reprint always an 20-25% of MTG history card pool and the 50% rest its crappy limited things and the 25% rest is constructed standard format, so everyone its happy
Standard problem solved, Modern reprint solved, and legacy/vintage are dead so no problem at all
I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here. You say that 50% of each set is "crappy limited things" (in actuality, sets have closer to 70-80% of "limited jank", and your choice of words just tells me you don't play Limited at all). Forcing 400-500 cards into a set is just ASKING for lazy design and more of those "crappy Limited things" you hate.
It's also unrealistic to expect to reprint 20-25% of a set intended as "Modern reprints". They'll just end up being used in Standard (because, you know, Modern is more powerful than Standard.)
Also, stop whining about vintage/legacy being "dead formats" if you don't play them. You're just asking to not be taken seriously.
however... I DO think that wizards should consider making suplimentary product legal in modern the same way its legal in Legacy...
...any broken entrants like True Name Nemisis can simply be banned but the rest of the cards should see play in all eternal formats that adhere to their time frame.
Noooooo!
Allowing supplementary cards into the Modern cardpool would stifle design the same way modern has stifled design of Standard sets! Supplementary products are the last remaining option if WotC wants to print something that doesn't fit a narrow definition of "fun".
While it's technically true that any problem cards could be banned, it also true that they would take great efforts not to print such cards in the first place. Bans are bad PR - they piss players off and reduce consumer confidence. Also, screwing up a format even in the short term is undesirable.
Please leave alone the one saving grace of WotC's current (and appauling) marketing strategy!
Legacy doesn't get that much from supplemental sets that aren't modern/standard legal. Legacy gets cards via normal expansions too sure not a lot but the bar is incredibly high in legacy but every now and then an abrupt decay, dig through time, deathrite shaman, or vendilion clique comes along that is good enough to see mainstream legacy play. I've always thought supplementary products should be modern legal because it is far less confusing in terms of what's legal and what isn't. If you show a new player ob nixilis of the black oath and tell them they can't play it in modern I imagine you would get a funny look from said new player. Yeah some cards have to be banned namely sol ring and brainstorm off the top of my head but modern at least gets some new stuff to play with like dack fayden, council's judgment, swords to plowshares, pernicious deed, exploration, etc. etc.
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I feel the idea of MaRo of make 2 sets are great BUT we need MORE CARDS in each set like 400-500 or make this sets comes early, like every 2 months
So whit 400 cards and 2 months its pretty easy to do, reprint always an 20-25% of MTG history card pool and the 50% rest its crappy limited things and the 25% rest is constructed standard format, so everyone its happy
Standard problem solved, Modern reprint solved, and legacy/vintage are dead so no problem at all
What do you think?
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Maybe that's overly pessimistic.
Also, I think you're trivializing the card creation process.
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The reason a lot of players (like myself) won't touch standard with a 10foot pole is because the format changes too quickly and by the time I build a deck get a chance to play it 2-3 times half of is rotated out.
Also, legacy and vintage are NOT dead formats. Infact they get new cards more often than standard and modern thanks to stuff like commander, planechase and whatnot. If you look back 5 years by 6 month intervals you will see different "teir 1 deck" each time. I don't mean this as a slight to modern, but just as comparison, legacy evolves a lot more and a lot faster and without someone tweaking the format every few months with a ban list.
Like 1-2 really big sets might be ok, faster set releases and big sets would really mess up limited.
The time of Time Spiral i really enjoyed and i like many cards, i like to play Limited so i dont really care for constructed, as you will only play the best cards in constructed anyway, no matter how many crappy commons and worthless rares you have and just printing MORE cards does not equal more good cards.
However, a bunch of other kinds of players do not like too many sets and too many cards.
Collectors dislike it, prices spike if you have a worse ratio of rares/mythics and in the end you want to have a PreRelease for each set, a "Release" for each set and some tournaments across the field, while also providing a feasable limited pool for players to figure out , and all that takes time.
If all you do is open cards and you enjoy the spoiler (i really do, new cards are great) , then you will be disapointed and magic wont change to what you like, as magic allready moved away from doing so.
We had core set and rather large expansions, and in Time Spiral Block we even go "extra" cards in the form of the Time Shifter cards and extra Editions like Coldsnap. The card production itself means you need artwork for each card, even the crappy commons and you want some decent artwork, not mass production, some flavour for the cards and promotion, spoiler season and the like.
Cycles of 4 Month are totally fair, especially as additional product is mixed in, like Commander. Sure they could go all in and produce way more cards, but in the end, that will saturate a market pretty fast, and when players just dont care anymore as they get too much, its not helping anything.
All that said, i would totally enjoy more sets and more cards, but i also dont buy booster packs outside of FNM drafts and the occasional cool rare i buy as singles, so i am also not really a good customer in that regard.
Promo products like Commander i do buy if i like the rares. Others just buy that product because its worth its money, or has some special expensive cards, and WotC still prints the Intro packs, Clash Decks and what not, which most of the time arent worth its money, only have reprints, but at least some new art for some cards, which is also a selling point.
If i could wish, i would even go as far to give a card multiple artworks. Provide me more "foil" levels of cards. Give me some "full"-art versions that are more rare, give me foil full-art which are even more rare and maybe provide me black/white versions of specific rares/mythics as super chase cards in very low numbers.
As the cards are available in their "normal" form, this would just make some versions of them extremly expensive and collectable , i would totally appreachiate this, but WotC currently does not do that.
But who knows. Magic changed a lot over time, maybe it will just change again and again and again, but its quite unlikely that it gets back to something it allready was, we are open for new mistakes, not repeating them.
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Any follow up after ready the replies? How are they dead? Cards printed in standard are entering legacy: DRS and abrupt decay. Recently DTT.
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Ghave, Guru of Spores: Dies_to_Doom_Blade's stax list
Edric, Spymaster of Trest: Donald's list
Yep.
To the OP, do you really need Standard to be more swingy than it already is?
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)however... I DO think that wizards should consider making suplimentary product legal in modern the same way its legal in Legacy.
We should be able to use cards from recent supplementary sets like Commander and plane chase to widen the modern pool with powerfull cards.
any broken entrants like True Name Nemisis can simply be banned but the rest of the cards should see play in all eternal formats that adhere to their time frame.
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I think you need to present this in a manner that doesn't sound like you're whining. Or share whatever you're smoking with the rest of us.
Why do you feel the Standard metagame needs to change faster? 3 months is actually a pretty reasonable amount of time between injections of new cards - it allows enough time for players to explore different strategies to find what works, then gives an acceptable amount of time for those successful strategies to put up results. And with Standard about to shift to a more frequent rotation schedule, wouldn't you be sort of getting your wish anyway?
I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here. You say that 50% of each set is "crappy limited things" (in actuality, sets have closer to 70-80% of "limited jank", and your choice of words just tells me you don't play Limited at all). Forcing 400-500 cards into a set is just ASKING for lazy design and more of those "crappy Limited things" you hate.
It's also unrealistic to expect to reprint 20-25% of a set intended as "Modern reprints". They'll just end up being used in Standard (because, you know, Modern is more powerful than Standard.)
Also, stop whining about vintage/legacy being "dead formats" if you don't play them. You're just asking to not be taken seriously.
Noooooo!
Allowing supplementary cards into the Modern cardpool would stifle design the same way modern has stifled design of Standard sets! Supplementary products are the last remaining option if WotC wants to print something that doesn't fit a narrow definition of "fun".
While it's technically true that any problem cards could be banned, it also true that they would take great efforts not to print such cards in the first place. Bans are bad PR - they piss players off and reduce consumer confidence. Also, screwing up a format even in the short term is undesirable.
Please leave alone the one saving grace of WotC's current (and appauling) marketing strategy!
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