I've been running unhinged for awhile now in some of my decks. And the first people is people are like is that legal?
I reply with yes in casual. Which we are playing. Most of the effects aren't downright beatdown, just they add a flare of silly. What gets me is why do they get so angry? ***** go buy some yourself.
A note about casual: you act as if everything is legal in casual, and that's just not the case. All cards that all players agree are legal are legal. If your playgroup doesn't like you running un-cards, then you should stop running them or find another playgroup, not make some poorly-supported argument about how they're 'legal because it's casual.'
I agree with Kalynis. "Casual" isn't a format. You can play casual Standard, casual EDH, casual Legacy, etc. Casual essentially just means you're playing for fun, but even that is too arbitrary a definition to apply correctly to all playgroups.
I don't currently have any decks with silver-bordered cards, but if I did I'd always ask before pulling it out to use. (And I say that as someone who loves the Un-sets.
To be frank, from the tone of your post it's clear what's good fun to you, but it doesn't sound like you've accounted for what might be good fun to the other people in your group.
One problem I know some people have with the Un sets is that the people who love them and ask for more of them tend to not actually support the sets financially.
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Honestly, most of them are annoying and/or childish. You dont need to be silly to be having fun. Not everyone wants to play with joke cards, even when just playing casually.
You may think so, but some people just want to a play a straight game. To a lot of people, the Un-set is a lot of BS, especially if you're the only one playing with the cards.
Don't get mad just because someone has another opinion than your own.
Some un-cards make great pimp proxies
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Casual doesn't mean play whatever you want. Can I show up to our casual game with
4x Sol Ring
4x Mana Vault
4x Tinker
4x Memory Jar
4x Tolarian Academy
4x Force of Will
4x Demonic Tutor
Yawgmoth's Will
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Formats with banned/restricted lists follow their lists. In casual, with no official restrictions, the assumption is that BOTH players agree to what's okay to play.
I also like to include a random Un-card in a Commander-deck every now and then, but always ask the other players if they are fine with it.
Most often it's Booster Tutor and not too surprisingly our game store likes me to play with it...
It also opens a chance for very cool stories. I usually steer away from the stupidly overpowered cards, but I do keep and update a R&D's Secret Lair-deck, which uses german Rath's Edges and now german Ugins + a slew of other random mistranslated and/or errated cards. It's always fun seeing people get flustered when you shuffle your deck after an Impulse or play an 1ROrcish Oriflamme. I have moved away from the classic Floral Spuzzem as getting draws after one hit was getting way too annoying.
Those Spuzzems just are so nefarious, we once left one for two days and it still hadn't made it's choice. After this people just agreed to draw the game after a hit if the player had an artifact.
My un-story is the time I played handcuffs on my friend and he useddisenchant in it, but needed to separate his hands to cast the spell.
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I find most of the cards to be annoying, or a bit over the top, but I do like some of them. The question is where to draw the line. And really, the only fair spot is to just put a blanket ban on all of them, casual or not. Who really wants to be playing with half mana, and half damage in a normal game anyways? Sure, blast from the past is neat, but again, where is the line drawn? Do I need to start bringing a stack of Chaos Confetti to every game I go to?
After playing infinity decks, turn 1 win decks etc, magic has taught me personally that if I can't stand the heat to stay out of the kitchen. Play whatever you want against me. Who cares how broken it is. Beat me 1000 times in a row and I'm gonna have that much better of an education about that type of deck.
If people don't want to have fun, then let's use reverse logic and I'm going to really **** with you while we play, farewell to arms. Do you whinny like an
ass and cry not legal, or do you accept the challenge and play?. I'm sorry if your gonna whine about it like a 5 year old I probably don't want to play with you anyways. Asked my wife about all this and some other people I know, about 12 out of 20 agreed. I know it's all opinion but nobody wants to play out with a whiny player. I encourage you to beat me on turn 1.
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After playing infinity decks, turn 1 win decks etc, magic has taught me personally that if I can't stand the heat to stay out of the kitchen. Play whatever you want against me. Who cares how broken it is. Beat me 1000 times in a row and I'm gonna have that much better of an education about that type of deck.
If people don't want to have fun, then let's use reverse logic and I'm going to really **** with you while we play, farewell to arms. Do you whinny like an
ass and cry not legal, or do you accept the challenge and play?. I'm sorry if your gonna whine about it like a 5 year old I probably don't want to play with you anyways. Asked my wife about all this and some other people I know, about 12 out of 20 agreed. I know it's all opinion but nobody wants to play out with a whiny player. I encourage you to beat me on turn 1.
I can't disagree with this post more. As others in this thread have noted, the OP seems only concerned with what his idea of "fun" is, the same as you. Personally, it sounds like the other people in his play group find the concept of playing with un-cards as not fun. So your same argument could be used against the OP - do you whine like a baby until they agree to let you play your un-cards, or do you take them out and play with the same rules as everyone else? From your tone, I wouldn't want to play with your nor your wife, with this "my way or the highway" type attitude.
Casual doesn't mean play whatever you want. Can I show up to our casual game with
4x Sol Ring
4x Mana Vault
4x Tinker
4x Memory Jar
4x Tolarian Academy
4x Force of Will
4x Demonic Tutor
Yawgmoth's Will
Etc? Because that's fun to me.
Formats with banned/restricted lists follow their lists. In casual, with no official restrictions, the assumption is that BOTH players agree to what's okay to play.
Sums it up perfectly. Anytime I've ever played "casual," there's at least a minimum understanding that the Type 1 banned list / restricted list was in effect. And yea, it was still called Type 1 the last time I played a game of kitchen table Magic. Casual always tended to mean "Hey guys, all I have are these old cards from when I was a kid. Is it cool for me to play this while you play your Type 2 deck?"
In a true casual setting, I'd think that all players should be in agreement on what constitutes a 'casual' deck. After all, the only point of a casual game is for everyone to have fun. It seems like the simple solution would be to find new people to play with, or what's more likely the case, they'll find new people to play with.
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Yeah, I think the OP is arbitrarily defining what "fun" is. Just being a silver bordered card doesn't make it fun. Arbitrarily calling something 'casual' doesn't make it fun. Playing with a banned/restricted card doesn't automatically make it fun. If you're having fun, and the opponent isn't, then the sum total is that the experience isn't fun, and if you're playing casually, and the sum experience isn't fun, then what's the point? Are you playing the game to purposefully give a not-fun experience to someone else? Because from what I can tell, you're getting pissy about other people getting pissy, so that should obviously hint that the problem isn't them, it's you.
And for the record, 'casual' isn't a synonym for 'anything goes', which is really where you seem to be missing the point. Magic is defined by rules, and that extends to more than just the card interactions. If you want to change the rules, and the other person says no, then you're the one who's put on the spot, not the other way around. Getting people to play with unhinged cards isn't that far off from wanting to play with ante cards - it's really something that you should establish before you start playing. Nothing's to stop you from playing with 6th edition rules - so long as the other person agrees. You just seem to be upset that people are disagreeing with you.
So it's ok to ban a card cuz you don't like it cuz that's essentially what you are saying when a card is too over powered too silly etc. Let's just ban it. So it's ok to ban someones cards just cuz you don't like them? That doesn't seem right. It seems no more right to shoot a black guy just cuz you don't like it, yet some people accept it anyways as ok.
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What I'm saying is I'm coming to the table with this deck of mine. And for the record MY playgroup doesn't care. It's people outside that group that get pissy. Anyways here I am all loves and giggles. You play whatever you want sound good? Yea? K I play whatever I want sound good? No? Well wait a minute you get to play infinity but I can't play unhinged? Who made you god? Now your getting pissy because I think k that's ****ed up? How is that not ****ed up? You threw the first punch dammit. You are the ones that talk about not fair not fair but you are the ones screaming ban. I seriously am just gonna take a step back now so I can shake my head at the logic of the naysayers.
So it's ok to ban a card cuz you don't like it cuz that's essentially what you are saying when a card is too over powered too silly etc. Let's just ban it. So it's ok to ban someones cards just cuz you don't like them? That doesn't seem right. It seems no more right to shoot a black guy just cuz you don't like it, yet some people accept it anyways as ok.
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What I'm saying is I'm coming to the table with this deck of mine. And for the record MY playgroup doesn't care. It's people outside that group that get pissy. Anyways here I am all loves and giggles. You play whatever you want sound good? Yea? K I play whatever I want sound good? No? Well wait a minute you get to play infinity but I can't play unhinged? Who made you god? Now your getting pissy because I think k that's ****ed up? How is that not ****ed up? You threw the first punch dammit. You are the ones that talk about not fair not fair but you are the ones screaming ban. I seriously am just gonna take a step back now so I can shake my head at the logic of the naysayers.
Well, then you can keep playing in YOUR playgroup then. People outside the group are under no obligation to play with you.
Some people want to play actual magic instead of a parody of it. Why did you start this thread and ask this question if you're just going to get all defensive when people answer it?
So it's ok to ban a card cuz you don't like it cuz that's essentially what you are saying when a card is too over powered too silly etc. Let's just ban it. So it's ok to ban someones cards just cuz you don't like them? That doesn't seem right. It seems no more right to shoot a black guy just cuz you don't like it, yet some people accept it anyways as ok.
First off, I'd pick better analogies in the future.
Secondly, the default position for a casual game is that everyone agrees on what is and isn't legal. The games are strictly for fun. If they're not having fun, then they have no reason to play. So yes, it's perfectly fine for individual playgroups to selectively ban anything they want, so long as the group is in agreement on it. You see this all the time in EDH circles that have "no combo decks" or similar house rules. It sounds like the only person who disagrees about this in the group is you. You're entitled to play what you want, just as they're entitled to find someone else to play with if they get tired of it.
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With my playgroup, I asked before putting silver-bordered cards in my decks if that was OK. The response was "yes", so on occasion I do. But I shouldn't sit down at my LGS and just expect to be able to play those cards without asking. I would have no right to get upset if I try to use one without first asking and they balk at that. I should have asked first if that's OK, and if it isn't, then I sub in other cards. Not everyone likes silver-bordered cards, and that's fine; no one is required to do so.
So again, communicate. It will save these sorts of issues from even coming up.
So it's ok to ban a card cuz you don't like it cuz that's essentially what you are saying when a card is too over powered too silly etc. Let's just ban it. So it's ok to ban someones cards just cuz you don't like them? That doesn't seem right. It seems no more right to shoot a black guy just cuz you don't like it, yet some people accept it anyways as ok.
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What I'm saying is I'm coming to the table with this deck of mine. And for the record MY playgroup doesn't care. It's people outside that group that get pissy. Anyways here I am all loves and giggles. You play whatever you want sound good? Yea? K I play whatever I want sound good? No? Well wait a minute you get to play infinity but I can't play unhinged? Who made you god? Now your getting pissy because I think k that's ****ed up? How is that not ****ed up? You threw the first punch dammit. You are the ones that talk about not fair not fair but you are the ones screaming ban. I seriously am just gonna take a step back now so I can shake my head at the logic of the naysayers.
Well, then you can keep playing in YOUR playgroup then. People outside the group are under no obligation to play with you.
I reply with yes in casual. Which we are playing. Most of the effects aren't downright beatdown, just they add a flare of silly. What gets me is why do they get so angry? ***** go buy some yourself.
It's casual Comon dudes....it's all good fun
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A note about casual: you act as if everything is legal in casual, and that's just not the case. All cards that all players agree are legal are legal. If your playgroup doesn't like you running un-cards, then you should stop running them or find another playgroup, not make some poorly-supported argument about how they're 'legal because it's casual.'
I don't currently have any decks with silver-bordered cards, but if I did I'd always ask before pulling it out to use. (And I say that as someone who loves the Un-sets.
To be frank, from the tone of your post it's clear what's good fun to you, but it doesn't sound like you've accounted for what might be good fun to the other people in your group.
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4x Sol Ring
4x Mana Vault
4x Tinker
4x Memory Jar
4x Tolarian Academy
4x Force of Will
4x Demonic Tutor
Yawgmoth's Will
Etc? Because that's fun to me.
Formats with banned/restricted lists follow their lists. In casual, with no official restrictions, the assumption is that BOTH players agree to what's okay to play.
Most often it's Booster Tutor and not too surprisingly our game store likes me to play with it...
It also opens a chance for very cool stories. I usually steer away from the stupidly overpowered cards, but I do keep and update a R&D's Secret Lair-deck, which uses german Rath's Edges and now german Ugins + a slew of other random mistranslated and/or errated cards. It's always fun seeing people get flustered when you shuffle your deck after an Impulse or play an 1R Orcish Oriflamme. I have moved away from the classic Floral Spuzzem as getting draws after one hit was getting way too annoying.
Those Spuzzems just are so nefarious, we once left one for two days and it still hadn't made it's choice. After this people just agreed to draw the game after a hit if the player had an artifact.
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OP is a baby whining about why other people won't play his way. You should be glad that anyone plays casual with you at all.
If people don't want to have fun, then let's use reverse logic and I'm going to really **** with you while we play, farewell to arms. Do you whinny like an
ass and cry not legal, or do you accept the challenge and play?. I'm sorry if your gonna whine about it like a 5 year old I probably don't want to play with you anyways. Asked my wife about all this and some other people I know, about 12 out of 20 agreed. I know it's all opinion but nobody wants to play out with a whiny player. I encourage you to beat me on turn 1.
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I can't disagree with this post more. As others in this thread have noted, the OP seems only concerned with what his idea of "fun" is, the same as you. Personally, it sounds like the other people in his play group find the concept of playing with un-cards as not fun. So your same argument could be used against the OP - do you whine like a baby until they agree to let you play your un-cards, or do you take them out and play with the same rules as everyone else? From your tone, I wouldn't want to play with your nor your wife, with this "my way or the highway" type attitude.
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Melira PodRIP 1/19/15GWHatebearsSums it up perfectly. Anytime I've ever played "casual," there's at least a minimum understanding that the Type 1 banned list / restricted list was in effect. And yea, it was still called Type 1 the last time I played a game of kitchen table Magic. Casual always tended to mean "Hey guys, all I have are these old cards from when I was a kid. Is it cool for me to play this while you play your Type 2 deck?"
In a true casual setting, I'd think that all players should be in agreement on what constitutes a 'casual' deck. After all, the only point of a casual game is for everyone to have fun. It seems like the simple solution would be to find new people to play with, or what's more likely the case, they'll find new people to play with.
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Modern: Pod's dead, Bob's back.
Legacy: Lands, Deathblade, Death and Taxes, Elves, MUD
Retired Legacy: Merfolk, Goblins, Jund, Delver, Reanimator
And for the record, 'casual' isn't a synonym for 'anything goes', which is really where you seem to be missing the point. Magic is defined by rules, and that extends to more than just the card interactions. If you want to change the rules, and the other person says no, then you're the one who's put on the spot, not the other way around. Getting people to play with unhinged cards isn't that far off from wanting to play with ante cards - it's really something that you should establish before you start playing. Nothing's to stop you from playing with 6th edition rules - so long as the other person agrees. You just seem to be upset that people are disagreeing with you.
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What I'm saying is I'm coming to the table with this deck of mine. And for the record MY playgroup doesn't care. It's people outside that group that get pissy. Anyways here I am all loves and giggles. You play whatever you want sound good? Yea? K I play whatever I want sound good? No? Well wait a minute you get to play infinity but I can't play unhinged? Who made you god? Now your getting pissy because I think k that's ****ed up? How is that not ****ed up? You threw the first punch dammit. You are the ones that talk about not fair not fair but you are the ones screaming ban. I seriously am just gonna take a step back now so I can shake my head at the logic of the naysayers.
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Well, then you can keep playing in YOUR playgroup then. People outside the group are under no obligation to play with you.
First off, I'd pick better analogies in the future.
Secondly, the default position for a casual game is that everyone agrees on what is and isn't legal. The games are strictly for fun. If they're not having fun, then they have no reason to play. So yes, it's perfectly fine for individual playgroups to selectively ban anything they want, so long as the group is in agreement on it. You see this all the time in EDH circles that have "no combo decks" or similar house rules. It sounds like the only person who disagrees about this in the group is you. You're entitled to play what you want, just as they're entitled to find someone else to play with if they get tired of it.
Standard: I, for one, welcome our new rhinoceros overlords
Modern: Pod's dead, Bob's back.
Legacy: Lands, Deathblade, Death and Taxes, Elves, MUD
Retired Legacy: Merfolk, Goblins, Jund, Delver, Reanimator
With my playgroup, I asked before putting silver-bordered cards in my decks if that was OK. The response was "yes", so on occasion I do. But I shouldn't sit down at my LGS and just expect to be able to play those cards without asking. I would have no right to get upset if I try to use one without first asking and they balk at that. I should have asked first if that's OK, and if it isn't, then I sub in other cards. Not everyone likes silver-bordered cards, and that's fine; no one is required to do so.
So again, communicate. It will save these sorts of issues from even coming up.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
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