I'm trying to find a way to put an enchantment into play under my opponents control. I know I can do this by first playing the enchantment then donating it. The card I'd like to get under their control is Lich. Obviously you can see that I really would rather this not ever come into play under my control because when I give it away I'd die.
I had thought if there were a way to make all enchantments creatures then I could conceivably put it on summoner's egg, donate it then pop the egg. It the enchantment were also a creature it'd come into play. I don't know how to make enchantments creatures though.
Do you have any ideas how I could get an enchantment to enter play under my opponents control without it coming into play under my control?
The card you're looking for is Donate. Oh, without it coming into play on your side; I don't know if there is such a thing. Maybe some obscure 9 mana spell?
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Confusion in the Ranks should work. I also remember this being the classic way of getting Phage the Untouchable's setback to affect your opponent, so it may be fun to put her in this deck too.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Confusion in the Ranks should work. I also remember this being the classic way of getting Phage the Untouchable's setback to affect your opponent, so it may be fun to put her in this deck too.
Confusion in the Ranks will not work. Its triggered ability can only trigger once the permanent in question has already entered the battlefield. Assuming no other factors, the permanent that is to be given to the opponent will always enter under your control first. In the case of Phage the Untouchable, her ability will trigger once it enters the battlefield under your control, and while you can give it to your opponent first before Phage's ability resolves, Phage's ability will still be on the stack. Once Phage's ability resolves, you will lose the game.
If the permanent in question is Lich, then that's the same as using Donate with it -- that is, you'd lose the game for being at 0 or less life upon donating it to your opponent.
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My post was referring to the rules interaction between the two cards in a vacuum, without any other permanents that would otherwise be relevant to the situation.
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snapcaster mage
3 horizon canopy
2 full art damnation
For giving away an enchantment before it's ETB-ability has triggered? Nope, not in any way. Avarice Totem clearly states that you change control of the totem and another permanent. Assuming you have the lich in play the totem and lich would swap controllers, but sice you control both nothing would happen. You could avarice twice first targeting lich and with that on the stack target an opponents permanent. But you would still control the lich trigger.
The only way I know of to give the opponent the permanent and the ETB-trigger is to first play it, stifle the etb, donate it in ay way and then use some blink effect that doesn't put the card into play under its owners control.
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Assuming your Mindslaver your opponent and force them to use Avarice Totem's ability to exchange control of the Totem and the permanent in question or something like that, then no. By the time the permanent can be targeted by the Totem, the ability of the permanent in question will already have triggered, so you will lose the game a little bit after the permanents switch controllers (assuming, again, no other relevant factors).
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Confusion in the Ranks should work. I also remember this being the classic way of getting Phage the Untouchable's setback to affect your opponent, so it may be fun to put her in this deck too.
Confusion in the Ranks will not work. Its triggered ability can only trigger once the permanent in question has already entered the battlefield. Assuming no other factors, the permanent that is to be given to the opponent will always enter under your control first. In the case of Phage the Untouchable, her ability will trigger once it enters the battlefield under your control, and while you can give it to your opponent first before Phage's ability resolves, Phage's ability will still be on the stack. Once Phage's ability resolves, you will lose the game.
My bad, now that I jogged my memory a little more, I somehow got that card confused with another one. The one I was thinking that worked with Phage is Endless Whispers. Unfortunately to the OP, I doubt that this would even work with Lich even if you turn it into a creature.
The old Lich trick was Mirror Universe, which still reduces opp's life total to zero. But no, I know of no card that wants what OP wants.
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Wizards would need to print a new blue card that is the inverse of Bribery and Acquire. But it would have to have a very specific condition to not break the whole game.
You search your library for two or three different cards, your opponent chooses one and puts on the battlefield under his or her control.
But a card like that has a huge "bah-roken" writen over it.
The old Lich trick was Mirror Universe, which still reduces opp's life total to zero. But no, I know of no card that wants what OP wants.
Not really what I was looking for but might work.
I'm working on a deck that donates awful card to the opponent for them to deal with like Illusions of Grandeur. Or phage in a Summoner's Egg. I thought it'd be funny to give them Lich to deal with. I had thought about Lich's Tomb or one of the other Lich cards but I realized they'd just sac the tomb or what not first and there wouldn't really be much of a disadvantage to having it. The Blink or mindslaver ideas are the closest to working with this theme so far.
Assuming your Mindslaver your opponent and force them to use Avarice Totem's ability to exchange control of the Totem and the permanent in question or something like that
While Avarice Totem doesn't prevent the ETB trigger or give it to your opponent (and so is not a solution in this case), you do not need Mindslaver to give something away with Avarice Totem.
1. Activate Avarice Totem targeting $my_card.
2. In response, activate Avarice Totem targeting $opponent_card
3. Second activation resolves. Opponent controls Avarice Totem, and I control both $my_card and $opponent_card
4. First activation resolves. Opponent controls $my_card, and I control both $opponent_card and Avarice Totem
Of course, if the opponent has open, he or she can activate Totem at step step 3 to disrupt the trick.
I had thought if there were a way to make all enchantments creatures then I could conceivably put it on summoner's egg, donate it then pop the egg. It the enchantment were also a creature it'd come into play. I don't know how to make enchantments creatures though.
Do you have any ideas how I could get an enchantment to enter play under my opponents control without it coming into play under my control?
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Confusion in the Ranks will not work. Its triggered ability can only trigger once the permanent in question has already entered the battlefield. Assuming no other factors, the permanent that is to be given to the opponent will always enter under your control first. In the case of Phage the Untouchable, her ability will trigger once it enters the battlefield under your control, and while you can give it to your opponent first before Phage's ability resolves, Phage's ability will still be on the stack. Once Phage's ability resolves, you will lose the game.
If the permanent in question is Lich, then that's the same as using Donate with it -- that is, you'd lose the game for being at 0 or less life upon donating it to your opponent.
[c]Lightning Bolt[/c] -> Lightning Bolt
[c=Lightning Bolt]Apple Pie[/c] -> Apple Pie
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4 goyfs received
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4 grove of the burnwillows
snapcaster mage
3 horizon canopy
2 full art damnation
My post was referring to the rules interaction between the two cards in a vacuum, without any other permanents that would otherwise be relevant to the situation.
[c]Lightning Bolt[/c] -> Lightning Bolt
[c=Lightning Bolt]Apple Pie[/c] -> Apple Pie
Vowels-Only Format
Minimum deck size: 60
Maximum number of identical cards: 4
Ban list: Cards whose English names begin with a consonant, Unglued and Unhinged cards, cards involving ante, Ancestral Recall
pucatrade
big receipts
alpha mox emerald
beta time walk
4 goyfs received
3 liliana of the veil
4 karn liberated
3 force of will
4 grove of the burnwillows
snapcaster mage
3 horizon canopy
2 full art damnation
For giving away an enchantment before it's ETB-ability has triggered? Nope, not in any way. Avarice Totem clearly states that you change control of the totem and another permanent. Assuming you have the lich in play the totem and lich would swap controllers, but sice you control both nothing would happen. You could avarice twice first targeting lich and with that on the stack target an opponents permanent. But you would still control the lich trigger.
The only way I know of to give the opponent the permanent and the ETB-trigger is to first play it, stifle the etb, donate it in ay way and then use some blink effect that doesn't put the card into play under its owners control.
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Assuming your Mindslaver your opponent and force them to use Avarice Totem's ability to exchange control of the Totem and the permanent in question or something like that, then no. By the time the permanent can be targeted by the Totem, the ability of the permanent in question will already have triggered, so you will lose the game a little bit after the permanents switch controllers (assuming, again, no other relevant factors).
[c]Lightning Bolt[/c] -> Lightning Bolt
[c=Lightning Bolt]Apple Pie[/c] -> Apple Pie
Vowels-Only Format
Minimum deck size: 60
Maximum number of identical cards: 4
Ban list: Cards whose English names begin with a consonant, Unglued and Unhinged cards, cards involving ante, Ancestral Recall
My bad, now that I jogged my memory a little more, I somehow got that card confused with another one. The one I was thinking that worked with Phage is Endless Whispers. Unfortunately to the OP, I doubt that this would even work with Lich even if you turn it into a creature.
On phasing:
You search your library for two or three different cards, your opponent chooses one and puts on the battlefield under his or her control.
But a card like that has a huge "bah-roken" writen over it.
Not really what I was looking for but might work.
I'm working on a deck that donates awful card to the opponent for them to deal with like Illusions of Grandeur. Or phage in a Summoner's Egg. I thought it'd be funny to give them Lich to deal with. I had thought about Lich's Tomb or one of the other Lich cards but I realized they'd just sac the tomb or what not first and there wouldn't really be much of a disadvantage to having it. The Blink or mindslaver ideas are the closest to working with this theme so far.
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1. Activate Avarice Totem targeting $my_card.
2. In response, activate Avarice Totem targeting $opponent_card
3. Second activation resolves. Opponent controls Avarice Totem, and I control both $my_card and $opponent_card
4. First activation resolves. Opponent controls $my_card, and I control both $opponent_card and Avarice Totem
Of course, if the opponent has open, he or she can activate Totem at step step 3 to disrupt the trick.
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