I actually played something like 3-4 Standard FNM tournaments during Time Spiral/Lorwyn with my UB Mannequin deck at 56 cards. I was always wondering why I would get more than average mana screw and not draw Damnation. I found 1 Damnation and 3 lands at home by my bed where I play tested a month later. This was pretty embarrassing, especially since I always complained about not drawing Damnation often enough.
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The really bad thing is, when you see a guy double nickel while saying "I don't cheat."
Can someone explain what "nickle" (used as a verb) means, please?
The 'double nickel' (referring to a five-cent coin which, interestingly, is only 25% nickel) is arranging cards in five piles, alternating in set pattern which ones are used, then stacking the piles on top of each other, and repeat.
It gives you perfect land, and because humans can't comprehend randomness, this looks more random than having the occasional land clumps.
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
I actually played something like 3-4 Standard FNM tournaments during Time Spiral/Lorwyn with my UB Mannequin deck at 56 cards. I was always wondering why I would get more than average mana screw and not draw Damnation. I found 1 Damnation and 3 lands at home by my bed where I play tested a month later. This was pretty embarrassing, especially since I always complained about not drawing Damnation often enough.
I played a modern tourney awhile back with 54 cards. I realized it after the 2nd game but kept my mouth shut to cuz the fee was like 20$ to enter. Didn't feel to bad though when I took placing in the lowest quarter of ranking.
I played a modern tourney awhile back with 54 cards. I realized it after the 2nd game but kept my mouth shut to cuz the fee was like 20$ to enter. Didn't feel to bad though when I took placing in the lowest quarter of ranking.
So this is a cheating story about yourself? Your illegal deck should have been reported immediately. As I understand it, the penalties are usually much harsher when they find out you covered up your cheating.
Way back when... (Around Ice Age/Mirage standard) I was playing someone who was running a counter-burn deck and had expended all their burn, leaving me at two life, but with a clear path to victory in a few short turns. The player then popped a Feldon's Cane and, knowing that I never cut, placed an Incinerate from his graveyard on top of his library before "shuffling" the remainder of his graveyard in. On his turn he drew it and killed me. At the time I thought it was a lucky draw, but later a friend who was watching the match told me to pay more attention and explained what he had done.
I mean, he's still stacking his deck, but the fact that you "never cut" should have zero impact on the judge call on the situation.
Way back when... (Around Ice Age/Mirage standard) I was playing someone who was running a counter-burn deck and had expended all their burn, leaving me at two life, but with a clear path to victory in a few short turns. The player then popped a Feldon's Cane and, knowing that I never cut, placed an Incinerate from his graveyard on top of his library before "shuffling" the remainder of his graveyard in. On his turn he drew it and killed me. At the time I thought it was a lucky draw, but later a friend who was watching the match told me to pay more attention and explained what he had done.
I mean, he's still stacking his deck, but the fact that you "never cut" should have zero impact on the judge call on the situation.
This was not in a tournament setting by the way. There was no judge. Just one person casually taking advantage of my bad habit. But at least it taught me the valuable lesson that you should always cut. That same guy also stole a card from me once, which I happened to steal back a few months later when he left his box of cards unattended. He was a shady bugger back then.
I do recall another time (I believe in a Masques block draft) at our LGS where my friend was playing for first place and flashed in a Jolrael's Favor to save his creature so he could win immediately after, only to have his opponent back up to an earlier phase to cast something else to invalidate my friend's play and completely alter the outcome of the turn and the game. And, in the end, the phase reversal was upheld by the judge because it was he who made the play. The store owner was out, and no one else was available to overrule him. Because of that, he ended up winning, shafting my friend. It's quite unfair when the judge participates and makes rulings in his own favor. It's also pretty sad that he was some 30+ year-old scumbag abusing his position to essentially steal from 16 year-olds who were better than him.
Way back when... (Around Ice Age/Mirage standard) I was playing someone who was running a counter-burn deck and had expended all their burn, leaving me at two life, but with a clear path to victory in a few short turns. The player then popped a Feldon's Cane and, knowing that I never cut, placed an Incinerate from his graveyard on top of his library before "shuffling" the remainder of his graveyard in. On his turn he drew it and killed me. At the time I thought it was a lucky draw, but later a friend who was watching the match told me to pay more attention and explained what he had done.
I mean, he's still stacking his deck, but the fact that you "never cut" should have zero impact on the judge call on the situation.
I played a guy in sealed, We were doing a chaos sealed we get to choose our packs. He "accidentally" opened 7 packs. All of which had a rare in his colors, he had 5 copies of a uncommon from khans and 2 copies of a common from theros. in his defense we were given a pack for showing up prior to the sealed because it started 45 minutes late due to a poor turnout.
The only issue with cheating we have had at our LGS is in EDH. It was so bad that the said card has put such a foul taste in everyone's mouth that they can't stand it when anyone casts the card. The card I speak of is none other than Burgeoning. A Derevi player would get a T1 Burgeoning about 90% of games. He would always get his hand drawn and mulligen while everyone was getting their stuff out and ready, never presenting to cut. By the time his second turn came around he had 4 lands in play (a couple being Karoo varients) so he was able to generate well more than 6 mana on his turn which would almost always be Consecrated Sphinx.
Needless to say after getting fed up with it we talked to the manager at the store and he gave him an ultimatum of stop or go play somewhere else. The opening burgeoning now only happens about 10% of games, which still makes us suspicious of him even though that is far more likely.
I played a modern tourney awhile back with 54 cards. I realized it after the 2nd game but kept my mouth shut to cuz the fee was like 20$ to enter. Didn't feel to bad though when I took placing in the lowest quarter of ranking.
So this is a cheating story about yourself? Your illegal deck should have been reported immediately. As I understand it, the penalties are usually much harsher when they find out you covered up your cheating.
Yea I should have said something but I took 19th place out of 20 so it's not like it mattered. Don't act high and mighty. I'm sure you've cheated at something in life beforw. And having a few less cards in your deck is not as bad as drawing extra cards not sending cards to the graveyard etc.
Yea I should have said something but I took 19th place out of 20 so it's not like it mattered. Don't act high and mighty. I'm sure you've cheated at something in life beforw. And having a few less cards in your deck is not as bad as drawing extra cards not sending cards to the graveyard etc.
"I didn't cheat THAT bad! And anyways, I bet you've done it too!"
Yea I should have said something but I took 19th place out of 20 so it's not like it mattered. Don't act high and mighty. I'm sure you've cheated at something in life beforw. And having a few less cards in your deck is not as bad as drawing extra cards not sending cards to the graveyard etc.
"I didn't cheat THAT bad! And anyways, I bet you've done it too!"
Yeah, still cheating.
What he said. Also, don't presume to know anything about me. I've never cheated at anything in my life. That's not being high and mighty, it's simply stating a fact.
The only issue with cheating we have had at our LGS is in EDH. It was so bad that the said card has put such a foul taste in everyone's mouth that they can't stand it when anyone casts the card. The card I speak of is none other than Burgeoning. A Derevi player would get a T1 Burgeoning about 90% of games. He would always get his hand drawn and mulligen while everyone was getting their stuff out and ready, never presenting to cut. By the time his second turn came around he had 4 lands in play (a couple being Karoo varients) so he was able to generate well more than 6 mana on his turn which would almost always be Consecrated Sphinx.
Needless to say after getting fed up with it we talked to the manager at the store and he gave him an ultimatum of stop or go play somewhere else. The opening burgeoning now only happens about 10% of games, which still makes us suspicious of him even though that is far more likely.
To be fair the 10% is even if you partial paris mulligan. lets say you mulligan 3 cards. That means you see 10% of your deck in your opening hand.
"I didn't cheat THAT bad! And anyways, I bet you've done it too!"
Yeah, still cheating.
But its true I do believe that everyone has cheated at one point in your life. Last night I accidentally drew 7 cards after mulling in a casual game of legacy.
In the current standard, most of the cheaters at my LGS are the people playing Jeskai Ascendency. They do so much so quickly that they try to sneak things past us (tap mana dorks that were just summoned, loot twice, etc). But the worst of the worst was a guy who would cast Dig Through Time or Treasure Cruise by counting out cards from his graveyard for delve, but would never actually exile them, allowing him to Dig/Cruise again later. He absolutely flipped out when we called him out on it and stormed out of the store (with the four Rattleclaw Mystics I let him borrow).
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But its true I do believe that everyone has cheated at one point in your life. Last night I accidentally drew 7 cards after mulling in a casual game of legacy.
Assuming you corrected the mistake, then that's not cheating. Whereas orionancient realized that he was playing with an illegal deck, yet continued to play with it. Everyone's made mistakes, but that doesn't make it cheating. I accidentally started a round without de-sideboarding, but as soon as I drew a sideboard card, I told my opponent, called a judge, and took my game loss.
Way back when... (Around Ice Age/Mirage standard) I was playing someone who was running a counter-burn deck and had expended all their burn, leaving me at two life, but with a clear path to victory in a few short turns. The player then popped a Feldon's Cane and, knowing that I never cut, placed an Incinerate from his graveyard on top of his library before "shuffling" the remainder of his graveyard in. On his turn he drew it and killed me. At the time I thought it was a lucky draw, but later a friend who was watching the match told me to pay more attention and explained what he had done.
I mean, he's still stacking his deck, but the fact that you "never cut" should have zero impact on the judge call on the situation.
Why ?
Two reasons. The completely practical reason is that there's the whole "How much stock do we put in your reputation of this being known?" or whether or not the opponent actually knows, for example, that you "never cut".
The second reason is that any choice of yours that puts you at more of a risk of being cheated is on you. We can look at most legal systems where thievery is the same punishment whether I snatch your purse from under your seat or you leave it in the coat check room. In fact we usually punish people more for getting through people's precautions.
I played a modern tourney awhile back with 54 cards. I realized it after the 2nd game but kept my mouth shut to cuz the fee was like 20$ to enter. Didn't feel to bad though when I took placing in the lowest quarter of ranking.
So this is a cheating story about yourself? Your illegal deck should have been reported immediately. As I understand it, the penalties are usually much harsher when they find out you covered up your cheating.
Yea I should have said something but I took 19th place out of 20 so it's not like it mattered. Don't act high and mighty. I'm sure you've cheated at something in life beforw. And having a few less cards in your deck is not as bad as drawing extra cards not sending cards to the graveyard etc.
Ithappens. I have never cheated nor been accused of cheating ever, but I accidentally played an extra land on cameraduring a win and in in a legacy open a few weeks back. Sometimes things just get missed. Playing enough it's bound to happen at some point
Whoever says they've never cheated at anything in their life is right up there with the people who say they've never lied.
Cheating implies you know about it.
Mistakes are common and will happen, but thats not cheating and the difference is very important.
If someone draws accidently an extra card and says so right away, they are not cheating ; if they cover it up, dont say a word, then its a totally different story.
So whatever happens, its in your best interest, if you see an error, allways call a judge and face your mistake, you will learn and you will have a pure name.
Also, in low level play like an FNM you are "fine" to make mistakes and you wont even get a game lose for pretty much anything, as its about education and fun.
Things change if you go up in tournament levels, on professionel level the prices are bigger and you are simply assumed to know the rules and follow them.
That said, its in everyones best interest to play some tournaments in a store that has a reliable judge (an actual judge, not a rules dude) , just ask them whatever you want and get used to playing by the rules ; theres a big difference between kitchen table and actual tournaments.
Its also said that some people play for the fun, others play for the people, others play for themself and even others play just for the Win , and these peoples are the group that is the most likely to cheat, as all they care is winning, its much more important than for the other kinds of players.
*I totally tell you i cant see how its enjoyable to play Magic without winning, at some points i take my loses hard, i tax myself for losing and its very easy to fall for the cheating way to win more often ; for myself i simply stop playing, even drop out right away if i get the feeling and just keep "watching" games for some weeks to calm down.
It happens and everyone has to find a way to work with it, but most of us still enjoy the game a lot, for some its even a big and important part of life, if you played this game every week for 20 years, you cant just stop, its a part of you.
Whoever says they've never cheated at anything in their life is right up there with the people who say they've never lied.
On the other hand, I feel that "everyone does it, even if they don't admit to it!" is a common self-justification for serial cheaters (and people who rage in online video games). While not many people can claim they have never cheated, probably most people have at least never cheated in the past five years.
Manaweaving and drawing extra cards are the cheats I've caught frequently.
The most unique was catching a player try and swap hideaway cards under a Windbrisk Heights back when Kithkin were big in Standard. Thankfully I caught her "accidentally" mixing her hideaway card with her hand (it "accidentally" fell in her lap). I'm just thankful a couple of the regulars at that shop, where I was new, warned me to watch her and another guy as known cheats. She tried that on me the first time we played, and the other guy tried drawing extra cards the first time we played. Long story short, be the good guy and warn others if you know/suspect someone is cheating.
(also a reminder: Don't let your guard down when you play against girls. In my experience they actually have a higher cheating rate than guys, IMO because they tend to get some special treatment/leeway from the guys they play with. There is a girl locally who mostly plays EDH that will definitely take advantage of people if allowed, playing dumb or guilting them if she gets caught.)
Whoever says they've never cheated at anything in their life is right up there with the people who say they've never lied.
On the other hand, I feel that "everyone does it, even if they don't admit to it!" is a common self-justification for serial cheaters (and people who rage in online video games). While not many people can claim they have never cheated, probably most people have at least never cheated in the past five years.
Whoever says they've never cheated at anything in their life is right up there with the people who say they've never lied.
On the other hand, I feel that "everyone does it, even if they don't admit to it!" is a common self-justification for serial cheaters (and people who rage in online video games). While not many people can claim they have never cheated, probably most people have at least never cheated in the past five years.
I feel like that kind of mindset is of those who do cheat but try to set the focus on other cheaters. Like as you can see I admit to cheating. Most cheaters will. But u know when someone has so e thing to hide when they atempt to dodge the fact that they could have ever cheated by talking about another person who cheats.
Teacher: Timmy did you eat any of my candy?
Timmy: I have in the past but Eric probably ate all of it cup he admitted to it last time.
We can see that anyone cheats, but you can't dodge the topic that you might cheat by going right back to the cheater who already admitted it and didn't try to fight it.
I've seen this alot at tournaments and more often then not upon recheck of footage the person who says these kinds of things is in reality guilty of cheating
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It is explained here
http://fivewithflores.com/2009/05/how-to-cheat/
EDH: Xenagos, God of Revels.
It happens.
I actually played something like 3-4 Standard FNM tournaments during Time Spiral/Lorwyn with my UB Mannequin deck at 56 cards. I was always wondering why I would get more than average mana screw and not draw Damnation. I found 1 Damnation and 3 lands at home by my bed where I play tested a month later. This was pretty embarrassing, especially since I always complained about not drawing Damnation often enough.
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Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)The 'double nickel' (referring to a five-cent coin which, interestingly, is only 25% nickel) is arranging cards in five piles, alternating in set pattern which ones are used, then stacking the piles on top of each other, and repeat.
It gives you perfect land, and because humans can't comprehend randomness, this looks more random than having the occasional land clumps.
On phasing:
I played a modern tourney awhile back with 54 cards. I realized it after the 2nd game but kept my mouth shut to cuz the fee was like 20$ to enter. Didn't feel to bad though when I took placing in the lowest quarter of ranking.
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So this is a cheating story about yourself? Your illegal deck should have been reported immediately. As I understand it, the penalties are usually much harsher when they find out you covered up your cheating.
Modern: GW Hatebears/midrange, WGU Knightfall/evolution midrange stuff
Standard: nope
Legacy: W Death & Taxes
EDH (not Commander!): W Avacyn, Angel of Hope, GR Ruric Thar, the Unbowed, WGB Anafenza, the Foremost, WU Hanna, Ship's Navigator
I mean, he's still stacking his deck, but the fact that you "never cut" should have zero impact on the judge call on the situation.
This was not in a tournament setting by the way. There was no judge. Just one person casually taking advantage of my bad habit. But at least it taught me the valuable lesson that you should always cut. That same guy also stole a card from me once, which I happened to steal back a few months later when he left his box of cards unattended. He was a shady bugger back then.
I do recall another time (I believe in a Masques block draft) at our LGS where my friend was playing for first place and flashed in a Jolrael's Favor to save his creature so he could win immediately after, only to have his opponent back up to an earlier phase to cast something else to invalidate my friend's play and completely alter the outcome of the turn and the game. And, in the end, the phase reversal was upheld by the judge because it was he who made the play. The store owner was out, and no one else was available to overrule him. Because of that, he ended up winning, shafting my friend. It's quite unfair when the judge participates and makes rulings in his own favor. It's also pretty sad that he was some 30+ year-old scumbag abusing his position to essentially steal from 16 year-olds who were better than him.
Needless to say after getting fed up with it we talked to the manager at the store and he gave him an ultimatum of stop or go play somewhere else. The opening burgeoning now only happens about 10% of games, which still makes us suspicious of him even though that is far more likely.
Yea I should have said something but I took 19th place out of 20 so it's not like it mattered. Don't act high and mighty. I'm sure you've cheated at something in life beforw. And having a few less cards in your deck is not as bad as drawing extra cards not sending cards to the graveyard etc.
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Yeah, still cheating.
What he said. Also, don't presume to know anything about me. I've never cheated at anything in my life. That's not being high and mighty, it's simply stating a fact.
Modern: GW Hatebears/midrange, WGU Knightfall/evolution midrange stuff
Standard: nope
Legacy: W Death & Taxes
EDH (not Commander!): W Avacyn, Angel of Hope, GR Ruric Thar, the Unbowed, WGB Anafenza, the Foremost, WU Hanna, Ship's Navigator
To be fair the 10% is even if you partial paris mulligan. lets say you mulligan 3 cards. That means you see 10% of your deck in your opening hand.
But its true I do believe that everyone has cheated at one point in your life. Last night I accidentally drew 7 cards after mulling in a casual game of legacy.
GW GW Aggro WG
UR UR Tutelage RU
BGU Sultai Pact UGB
EDH:
RWB Alesha BWR
WU Sygg UW
BG Sapling GB
BGU Sidisi UGB
UR Melek RU
Assuming you corrected the mistake, then that's not cheating. Whereas orionancient realized that he was playing with an illegal deck, yet continued to play with it. Everyone's made mistakes, but that doesn't make it cheating. I accidentally started a round without de-sideboarding, but as soon as I drew a sideboard card, I told my opponent, called a judge, and took my game loss.
Modern: GW Hatebears/midrange, WGU Knightfall/evolution midrange stuff
Standard: nope
Legacy: W Death & Taxes
EDH (not Commander!): W Avacyn, Angel of Hope, GR Ruric Thar, the Unbowed, WGB Anafenza, the Foremost, WU Hanna, Ship's Navigator
Two reasons. The completely practical reason is that there's the whole "How much stock do we put in your reputation of this being known?" or whether or not the opponent actually knows, for example, that you "never cut".
The second reason is that any choice of yours that puts you at more of a risk of being cheated is on you. We can look at most legal systems where thievery is the same punishment whether I snatch your purse from under your seat or you leave it in the coat check room. In fact we usually punish people more for getting through people's precautions.
Ithappens. I have never cheated nor been accused of cheating ever, but I accidentally played an extra land on cameraduring a win and in in a legacy open a few weeks back. Sometimes things just get missed. Playing enough it's bound to happen at some point
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Cheating implies you know about it.
Mistakes are common and will happen, but thats not cheating and the difference is very important.
If someone draws accidently an extra card and says so right away, they are not cheating ; if they cover it up, dont say a word, then its a totally different story.
So whatever happens, its in your best interest, if you see an error, allways call a judge and face your mistake, you will learn and you will have a pure name.
Also, in low level play like an FNM you are "fine" to make mistakes and you wont even get a game lose for pretty much anything, as its about education and fun.
Things change if you go up in tournament levels, on professionel level the prices are bigger and you are simply assumed to know the rules and follow them.
That said, its in everyones best interest to play some tournaments in a store that has a reliable judge (an actual judge, not a rules dude) , just ask them whatever you want and get used to playing by the rules ; theres a big difference between kitchen table and actual tournaments.
Its also said that some people play for the fun, others play for the people, others play for themself and even others play just for the Win , and these peoples are the group that is the most likely to cheat, as all they care is winning, its much more important than for the other kinds of players.
*I totally tell you i cant see how its enjoyable to play Magic without winning, at some points i take my loses hard, i tax myself for losing and its very easy to fall for the cheating way to win more often ; for myself i simply stop playing, even drop out right away if i get the feeling and just keep "watching" games for some weeks to calm down.
It happens and everyone has to find a way to work with it, but most of us still enjoy the game a lot, for some its even a big and important part of life, if you played this game every week for 20 years, you cant just stop, its a part of you.
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Yeah, I like honest people, too.
Modern: GW Hatebears/midrange, WGU Knightfall/evolution midrange stuff
Standard: nope
Legacy: W Death & Taxes
EDH (not Commander!): W Avacyn, Angel of Hope, GR Ruric Thar, the Unbowed, WGB Anafenza, the Foremost, WU Hanna, Ship's Navigator
On the other hand, I feel that "everyone does it, even if they don't admit to it!" is a common self-justification for serial cheaters (and people who rage in online video games). While not many people can claim they have never cheated, probably most people have at least never cheated in the past five years.
The most unique was catching a player try and swap hideaway cards under a Windbrisk Heights back when Kithkin were big in Standard. Thankfully I caught her "accidentally" mixing her hideaway card with her hand (it "accidentally" fell in her lap). I'm just thankful a couple of the regulars at that shop, where I was new, warned me to watch her and another guy as known cheats. She tried that on me the first time we played, and the other guy tried drawing extra cards the first time we played. Long story short, be the good guy and warn others if you know/suspect someone is cheating.
(also a reminder: Don't let your guard down when you play against girls. In my experience they actually have a higher cheating rate than guys, IMO because they tend to get some special treatment/leeway from the guys they play with. There is a girl locally who mostly plays EDH that will definitely take advantage of people if allowed, playing dumb or guilting them if she gets caught.)
I feel like that kind of mindset is of those who do cheat but try to set the focus on other cheaters. Like as you can see I admit to cheating. Most cheaters will. But u know when someone has so e thing to hide when they atempt to dodge the fact that they could have ever cheated by talking about another person who cheats.
Teacher: Timmy did you eat any of my candy?
Timmy: I have in the past but Eric probably ate all of it cup he admitted to it last time.
We can see that anyone cheats, but you can't dodge the topic that you might cheat by going right back to the cheater who already admitted it and didn't try to fight it.
I've seen this alot at tournaments and more often then not upon recheck of footage the person who says these kinds of things is in reality guilty of cheating
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