No, in other words, I am going to be polite no matter how immature my opponent is being
It's not "polite" to taunt someone, and it's not "polite" to needle someone, even if the words you're using are usually polite. The polite thing to do if your opponent is in a foul mood is to not provoke him or her further, or make of point of saying something you know your opponent is not going to take well.
How can it possibly be polite to intentionally irritate someone? Especially when you're doing it in a way that gives you the cover of social sanction - "Oh, I was just saying a polite pleasantry, it's my opponent's fault they didn't take it well."
If your opponent isn't participating in your idealized scenario, forcing it on them is rude, no matter how you slice it. If your idealized scenario is going down, then *you already know* they're going to take "Good game" well. What I'm talking about is the opposite situation - where you admit you know your opponent isn't going to take it well - and you go ahead and do it anyway.
You seem intent on focusing on this strawman, imaginary scenario where someone is so angry about the game that they are incapable of normal social interaction, so it's pretty clear this discussion is going nowhere (and I admit, I did throw in the "no matter how salty you are" line as a bit of a rib at people getting this angry). I have never seen anyone that angry in paper magic, and yeah, it is ok to throw out a good game if someone is that mad to remind them that, hey, it's just a game and someone acting like that is making everyone around them's day a little worse by their inability to control their anger. All that being said, I have never seen someone that angry (well, except the kid I was playing in a PTQ who got DQ'ed mid match from something he'd apparently done the previous round - and since we hadn't finished I obviously didn't give the GG), so I've never had the chance to actually taunt someone with a GG. I've also never had someone get visibly angry over a GG, so maybe we play with different crowds.
Also, I like that you think a polite scoop and GG is an "idealized scenario." Seriously, who are you playing with? That "idealized scenario" happens 99% of the time at my local card shop, and it's clear from this thread, and from where this discussion originally started, that there are people who don't think you should GG if your opponent was screwed/flooded/got crushed/whatever no matter what, which is patently absurd (and what I was originally responding to until we got into all these absurd what ifs). And frankly someone getting so upset over magic that they get enraged over their opponent saying "good game" is far, far more impolite than possibly saying GG when your opponent doesn't want to hear it. Have you really been taunted by GGers? Have your friends? I mean, seriously? If so, I need to ask again, who are you playing with?
Lol, now who's the delusional one. Nobody's stewing. Nobody "can't handle" anything. Also, I don't recall anybody saying GG to Paul George after he cracked his leg open. Maybe because it wasn't. At least I'd like to think so. Is it really so hard to ask for magic players to have a little tact and sincerity. When I win in gross fashion, I can usually find an appropriate remark, such as "shame about the flood. Thanks for sticking it out though."
The fact that you compare getting crushed in a game of magic to having a horrendous, 1-in-a-million leg injury that requires serious surgery and practically ends someone's career says something about you. I'm not sure what. Oh, and wasn't that a skirmish between two parts of the US team? If so, you're probably right - not a lot of GG's going around in what is essentially a practice session. I don't imagine channelfireball GG's after every practice session while prepping for the pro tour either.
Only in the sense that they weren't good games. Its rare to find a sports game that's not good, since sports are by and large non-random. Attacking the analogy is missing the larger point anyway. I get the sense that you know you've lost this argument, so I'm not going to rub it in.
Only in the sense that they weren't good games. Its rare to find a sports game that's not good, since sports are by and large non-random. Attacking the analogy is missing the larger point anyway. I get the sense that you know you've lost this argument, so I'm not going to rub it in.
They tend not to say GG in poker. In fact, usually in poker the loser says "good hand" which is pretty cynical.
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I hate it when opponents find bad card relations they don't know the purpose of, and insult me based only on my deck.
also, I hate it when people smell.
Getting angry about someone saying "good game" to you after a magic match is like, blatantly socially awkward. Also, it's not your opponents responsibility to figure out that you are abnormally sensitive to a phrase that is said after games in literally everything from board games to video games to sports. That's your hang up, and something you need to deal with, not expect society to warp to accommodate you. Unless you specifically ask me not to say GG, I am going to say it, no matter how salty you seem.
Thats like someone falls flat on his face and you say "nice fall", ofcourse that person wont be happy about it.
A "GG" to an bad game is just stupid, face it and accept it.
You wont earn archivements for saying "GG" in every game, and it loses meaning if you just auto-say it.
*For computergames its not a "GG" for an actual good game, as it has additional meaning to end a game and for some tournaments its an actual rule that forces a player to end the game with a "gg" or similiar. Thats obvisiously not the case in magic.
If you truly feel a game was good, nobody will blame you. If the game was crap and a player simply got steam rolled, saying "GG" is just rubbing salt in your victim, thats totally not clever and in the long run makes you simply a fool to others, or you get known as the random idiot that allways says "gg" after a game.
All of that is easily avoided if you dont use automatic responses, say "gg" if you want to and truly think it is the case ; thats fair and anything else is just asking for trouble on the wrong receiver.
Thats like someone falls flat on his face and you say "nice fall", ofcourse that person wont be happy about it.
Surely, it's more like saying, at the end of a walk with a friend that involved them falling over, saying "Nice walk". Which, again, could go either way.
Note: I personally only say good game when I lose, but that's because, while I would say it all the time, I understand my opponents may have opinions to the contrary, and so I feel more comfortable letting them be the one to say it. I neither object to people saying it, nor to people not saying it.
Another thing that I loathe is a sore loser. I admit if I lose to someone there's a decent chance I'm not smiling, but still there is a VERY noticeable difference. Let me explain this thoroughly.
I play 1 of 3 people, lets call them Mr.R, Mr.G, and Ms.W.
Ms.W is new to playing but has a WG Theros deck and it's not bad, she has some annoying combos and alright creatures but nothing spectacular. She will win around 3-4/10 times and she's always giddy when she wins but whenever she's losing all life seems to be sucked out of her. She tends to give up and just want it to be over instead of trying to turn it around.
Mr.G plays as his name describes. All green, all the time, no other colors, just green. It's his right, I personally am a blue preference. He will start to yell at his library when he's not getting the cards he wants/needs, hit the table, and just have a generally hostile feel about him. Upon losing he will either go into IDGAF mode and just stare at his phone for the next half hour in silence or he will flip his internal table and just start yelling in general while walking away and claiming he'll never play again. It's so bad Ms.W downright refuses to play him in fear she'll win.
Finally Mr.R, I've talked about him before he plays 2 decks RBControl or RBurn. When he begins to lose, he will become incredibly impatient, cutting you off as you explain a card, constantly tapping the table on your turn, and just being generally rude. When he loses he'll just be in a generally angry mood, it won't be violent anger like Mr.G but all reactions will be sharp and usually sarcastic or down-putting if possible. Recently he hasn't been winning against me as much as he had in the past and he's declared "Yeah, that settles it, I'm done with Magic. It's not fun anymore." Which in reality it's most likely it's just boring facing the same person OVER AND OVER. It can't be about playing the same deck because I've built 8 different decks and I've put up against the same two he's had for the past year and none of them played that similar: BUMill UWTokens RGAggro WGRSlivers BMidrange UControl XUArtifacts GPauper
Seriously none of them played remotely the same. Some of them may have a few cards in common, but they didn't play the same at all.
I have played against Mr.R most of all, more than any combination of people I've played combined. I have gotten to the point where I've said I refuse to play his burn deck, but I still play it. I have hated playing against him because he manages to ALWAYS pull one of his heavy hitters by T2, but I know it wasn't cheating, heck I'd shuffle his deck and he's still get at least 1 of them. Nothing he did prevented me from playing against him anytime he proposed a game, no matter how I loathe his attitude or one of his decks.
I went down to the LGS today and played this kid, looked like he was 5 years younger than me. He's playing a Bant deck. He manages to put down Elspeth, Sun's Champion, Jace, Memory Adept and gets out 9 3/3 Soldier tokens after he reached Elspeth's Ult. The match wasn't one sided but he did drop me pretty hard, but honestly I was smiling when I lost and very willingly offered a 'Good game'. I think what it comes down to is I need to stop playing Mr.G, Ms.W and Mr.R.
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Arrogance... or really, any other form of disrespect. Whining comes a distant second (you get used to this one, soon enough).
In cases of the former, I will thoroughly enjoy grinding them beneath my heel (er... deck), but outwardly show nothing beyond baseline civility. And when there's an audience? All the better!
Whining, on the other hand, I just ignore. Completely. Some noise in the background, you say? Hm?
Thats like someone falls flat on his face and you say "nice fall", ofcourse that person wont be happy about it.
A "GG" to an bad game is just stupid, face it and accept it.
What about this.
I say gg & present my hand after every tournament game. This is for a variety of reasons, the only one of current relevance being the fact that I consider every (tournament) game a good game.
They may not have been fair, skill-testing, or anything like that (And if I'm salty I may make a remark about that), but from a rational point of view on either side of the table, it was good. Both people were trying to win, and in the end someone did.
So yeah, maybe saying GG to a 'bad' game is stupid. But imo, there are no bad games.
Back to this lame GG conversation? I will say good game. If someone gets upset about that then they need to reevaluate their priorities in life as to think something as harmless as a "thank you" is trying to personally insult them. I can say "Too bad" in a mean way, I can say "good luck on your next game in a bad way", or I can just not say anything and leave kind of hurriedly and rudely, it's just a really stupid argument.
- The dude with his crappy draft deck, clearly behind, who takes ages to make his plays like he's setting up something rally clever, when it's clear to everybody the game is folded
- The condescending dude who almost, if not explicitly scoffs at your plays
- The closed/rude guy, who barely says a word except phases, and will suddenly call a judge on his own without even talking to you or expressing what the issue could be
- Sore losers, who turn a match into an endless litany of curses, sighs, mutterings, and overall negative tension. This can even sometimes degrade to becoming directly (passive-)aggressive towards you
- Slaughtering my carefully sleeved deck with barbaric shuffling - aggravating factor: dirty hands because he just had a sandwich or chocolate bar
- Shady/questionable player - stacking his land in an unclear way, unclear demarcation between battlefield, graveyard, bizarre way of drawing/fetching and so on...
- Sharky traders are okay when you know what you need and what you want, but plunderers are not
There's likely much more, but it's the usual litany I've known for the last 20 years
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- Shady/questionable player - stacking his land in an unclear way, unclear demarcation between battlefield, graveyard, bizarre way of drawing/fetching and so on...
On that note, it always bothers me when someone resolves Brainstorm by quickly drawing three cards at the same time, then puts two cards back also at the same time. The worst cases I have seen put the two cards back with the same hand that was holding the rest of his hand cards. It's completely impossible to see that he's really drawing three cards and putting two back.
Just call a judge.
Seriously, its in your best interest to make sure your opponent plays in a way you can see what you have to see and make sure the game state is valid.
If people "hide" the lands in a pile its also invalid, they have to make sure all is visible and its totally fine to ask (or enforce) that they make sure you can see everything aswell.
Its not like magic is a game about tricking your opponent, at least not outside of the actual game rules.
To everyone saying that "Good Game" is incorrect to say after a game that was not in fact good, here's the way I see it:
Think about the word "Hello." What does it actually mean? Nothing. The word is a societally accepted expression that politely establishes the start of a conversation without having any inherent meaning in and of itself. It's a greeting. "Good game" serves a similar purpose. I always, always, always say "good game" not necessarily because it's an accurate statement about the preceding game, but because it's a societally accepted phrase that politely establishes that the game is over and ends surrounding conversations without necessarily carrying the literal meaning of the words that make it up. It's become so ingrained into the culture of the game (and many others) that it doesn't have to carry any distinct meaning. It's a utility phrase, and I don't see the need for it to mean anything more than that.
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Oooh good one. I completely forgot about bad threat evaluators in multiplayer games. They're absolutely fun ruiners sometimes. The two most common types are the ones who seem to never forget that someone was ahead at one point and continue gunning for them until they're gone, even when they're no longer a threat while someone else runs away with the game, and the type who evaluate things based on nonsense prejudices. I can always spot a guy who probably cried for the first three years we had Planeswalkers in EDH. A perfect example is a game where I was ahead with a token swarm, but faced two wraths in a row. My remaining game position included the least cards in hand, least lands in play, a token or two and an Ajani Goldmane nowhere near ultimate. Guy who obviously becomes blinded by rage every time a PWer is played against him proceeds to not only leave himself open to attack Ajani, he throws away entire cards to do it. The worst part is that another guy had a good board presence and a flyer that could have killed Ajani easily if he became a threat somehow.
Along the same vein is the revenge player. Yeah, I get it, I removed your Voltroned-up commander seven turns ago. You don't need to keep gunning just for me.
I find that when an opponent flips through their hand really fast, riffles their deck randomly, and taps their fingers fast just annoys me. I have no idea why, it just does. Also when opponents take a while to get to the match - I have lost tournaments because my opponents were late for the match, so it annoys me when people are more than five minutes late after the timer starts.
If someone did this to me I'd be in jail wondering which deck i'm gonna make next.
Me too probably, but just so no one here is confused: that particular video is staged. The guy on the left makes a lot of videos where he primarily makes fun of himself in the hope he gets a lot of likes, and this video is no exception to this formula. If you see the whole video it's actually really clear that it's fake.
Yes, it was probably staged, but it does indeed raise my blood pressure just thinking about it.
Oooh good one. I completely forgot about bad threat evaluators in multiplayer games. They're absolutely fun ruiners sometimes. The two most common types are the ones who seem to never forget that someone was ahead at one point and continue gunning for them until they're gone, even when they're no longer a threat while someone else runs away with the game, and the type who evaluate things based on nonsense prejudices. I can always spot a guy who probably cried for the first three years we had Planeswalkers in EDH. A perfect example is a game where I was ahead with a token swarm, but faced two wraths in a row. My remaining game position included the least cards in hand, least lands in play, a token or two and an Ajani Goldmane nowhere near ultimate. Guy who obviously becomes blinded by rage every time a PWer is played against him proceeds to not only leave himself open to attack Ajani, he throws away entire cards to do it. The worst part is that another guy had a good board presence and a flyer that could have killed Ajani easily if he became a threat somehow.
Along the same vein is the revenge player. Yeah, I get it, I removed your Voltroned-up commander seven turns ago. You don't need to keep gunning just for me.
This rustles my jimmies super bad too. If someone starts to focus on me alone for some removal I played for a very legit reason, I warn them, and if it doesn't stop, I give up winning and go into no fun for them mode. Being on the receiving end of a badly focused player is just awful.
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The last time I had someone focus on me and me only, he learned his lesson after 2 Thoughtseizes and an Inquisition of Kozilek and a Geth's Verdict on the same turn. He left me alone in the next game. I think there is always one of these guys in a play group. They will try to hate out the first person to get ahead, and keep on hating them even when doing so puts them at risk of being killed by another player.
Yes, it was probably staged, but it does indeed raise my blood pressure just thinking about it.
Oh, it was staged, full stop. No "probably" about it. It fell into the Leeroy Jenkins categories of videos made to make fun of a subset of a game's player base, but that people started to think was real on a wide scale.
The sad thing is that while tables are rarely flipped in real life, behaviour like the table-flipper's prior to his eponymous deed is more common than it should be. Everyone knows at least one That Guy (as /tg/ calls such players), though it's arguably the fact that they aren't widespread that they get the attention they do.
If someone did this to me I'd be in jail wondering which deck i'm gonna make next.
I have seen this done multiple times from the FNM level up to qualifiers. In most cases the TO/judge handled it correctly and there was no need for jail for anyone.
My biggest gripe is the guy who is in top deck mode and draws his one out to win the game and then thinks they are the best ever at the game of Magic. Some just dont understand there is a bit of luck involved.
Yes I have done this, but i have never acted like I was the best pro ever for doing it. Its part of the game I understand that. Its all in how you handle the situation that gets me.
Oooh good one. I completely forgot about bad threat evaluators in multiplayer games. They're absolutely fun ruiners sometimes. The two most common types are the ones who seem to never forget that someone was ahead at one point and continue gunning for them until they're gone, even when they're no longer a threat while someone else runs away with the game, and the type who evaluate things based on nonsense prejudices. I can always spot a guy who probably cried for the first three years we had Planeswalkers in EDH. A perfect example is a game where I was ahead with a token swarm, but faced two wraths in a row. My remaining game position included the least cards in hand, least lands in play, a token or two and an Ajani Goldmane nowhere near ultimate. Guy who obviously becomes blinded by rage every time a PWer is played against him proceeds to not only leave himself open to attack Ajani, he throws away entire cards to do it. The worst part is that another guy had a good board presence and a flyer that could have killed Ajani easily if he became a threat somehow.
Along the same vein is the revenge player. Yeah, I get it, I removed your Voltroned-up commander seven turns ago. You don't need to keep gunning just for me.
No one ever lets me leave ghave out in edh my poor innocent commander. Same with earth craft...
I was at a PTQ and I had one opponent shuffle my deck like it was a deck of normal playing cards. My deck was worth roughly $800, I NEVER even shuffle my own cards like that so it really irked me that this guy was doing it to my deck and not just once or twice, he was really taking his time here. Made me extra motivated to beat him.
I was at a PTQ and I had one opponent shuffle my deck like it was a deck of normal playing cards. My deck was worth roughly $800, I NEVER even shuffle my own cards like that so it really irked me that this guy was doing it to my deck and not just once or twice, he was really taking his time here. Made me extra motivated to beat him.
You can call a judge to have them shuffle your deck and cut it. I have seen people with very expensive decks do this at higher level events.
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You seem intent on focusing on this strawman, imaginary scenario where someone is so angry about the game that they are incapable of normal social interaction, so it's pretty clear this discussion is going nowhere (and I admit, I did throw in the "no matter how salty you are" line as a bit of a rib at people getting this angry). I have never seen anyone that angry in paper magic, and yeah, it is ok to throw out a good game if someone is that mad to remind them that, hey, it's just a game and someone acting like that is making everyone around them's day a little worse by their inability to control their anger. All that being said, I have never seen someone that angry (well, except the kid I was playing in a PTQ who got DQ'ed mid match from something he'd apparently done the previous round - and since we hadn't finished I obviously didn't give the GG), so I've never had the chance to actually taunt someone with a GG. I've also never had someone get visibly angry over a GG, so maybe we play with different crowds.
Also, I like that you think a polite scoop and GG is an "idealized scenario." Seriously, who are you playing with? That "idealized scenario" happens 99% of the time at my local card shop, and it's clear from this thread, and from where this discussion originally started, that there are people who don't think you should GG if your opponent was screwed/flooded/got crushed/whatever no matter what, which is patently absurd (and what I was originally responding to until we got into all these absurd what ifs). And frankly someone getting so upset over magic that they get enraged over their opponent saying "good game" is far, far more impolite than possibly saying GG when your opponent doesn't want to hear it. Have you really been taunted by GGers? Have your friends? I mean, seriously? If so, I need to ask again, who are you playing with?
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The fact that you compare getting crushed in a game of magic to having a horrendous, 1-in-a-million leg injury that requires serious surgery and practically ends someone's career says something about you. I'm not sure what. Oh, and wasn't that a skirmish between two parts of the US team? If so, you're probably right - not a lot of GG's going around in what is essentially a practice session. I don't imagine channelfireball GG's after every practice session while prepping for the pro tour either.
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They tend not to say GG in poker. In fact, usually in poker the loser says "good hand" which is pretty cynical.
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Thats like someone falls flat on his face and you say "nice fall", ofcourse that person wont be happy about it.
A "GG" to an bad game is just stupid, face it and accept it.
You wont earn archivements for saying "GG" in every game, and it loses meaning if you just auto-say it.
*For computergames its not a "GG" for an actual good game, as it has additional meaning to end a game and for some tournaments its an actual rule that forces a player to end the game with a "gg" or similiar. Thats obvisiously not the case in magic.
If you truly feel a game was good, nobody will blame you. If the game was crap and a player simply got steam rolled, saying "GG" is just rubbing salt in your victim, thats totally not clever and in the long run makes you simply a fool to others, or you get known as the random idiot that allways says "gg" after a game.
All of that is easily avoided if you dont use automatic responses, say "gg" if you want to and truly think it is the case ; thats fair and anything else is just asking for trouble on the wrong receiver.
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Surely, it's more like saying, at the end of a walk with a friend that involved them falling over, saying "Nice walk". Which, again, could go either way.
Note: I personally only say good game when I lose, but that's because, while I would say it all the time, I understand my opponents may have opinions to the contrary, and so I feel more comfortable letting them be the one to say it. I neither object to people saying it, nor to people not saying it.
I play 1 of 3 people, lets call them Mr.R, Mr.G, and Ms.W.
Ms.W is new to playing but has a WG Theros deck and it's not bad, she has some annoying combos and alright creatures but nothing spectacular. She will win around 3-4/10 times and she's always giddy when she wins but whenever she's losing all life seems to be sucked out of her. She tends to give up and just want it to be over instead of trying to turn it around.
Mr.G plays as his name describes. All green, all the time, no other colors, just green. It's his right, I personally am a blue preference. He will start to yell at his library when he's not getting the cards he wants/needs, hit the table, and just have a generally hostile feel about him. Upon losing he will either go into IDGAF mode and just stare at his phone for the next half hour in silence or he will flip his internal table and just start yelling in general while walking away and claiming he'll never play again. It's so bad Ms.W downright refuses to play him in fear she'll win.
Finally Mr.R, I've talked about him before he plays 2 decks RBControl or RBurn. When he begins to lose, he will become incredibly impatient, cutting you off as you explain a card, constantly tapping the table on your turn, and just being generally rude. When he loses he'll just be in a generally angry mood, it won't be violent anger like Mr.G but all reactions will be sharp and usually sarcastic or down-putting if possible. Recently he hasn't been winning against me as much as he had in the past and he's declared "Yeah, that settles it, I'm done with Magic. It's not fun anymore." Which in reality it's most likely it's just boring facing the same person OVER AND OVER. It can't be about playing the same deck because I've built 8 different decks and I've put up against the same two he's had for the past year and none of them played that similar:
BUMill
UWTokens
RGAggro
WGRSlivers
BMidrange
UControl
XUArtifacts
GPauper
Seriously none of them played remotely the same. Some of them may have a few cards in common, but they didn't play the same at all.
I have played against Mr.R most of all, more than any combination of people I've played combined. I have gotten to the point where I've said I refuse to play his burn deck, but I still play it. I have hated playing against him because he manages to ALWAYS pull one of his heavy hitters by T2, but I know it wasn't cheating, heck I'd shuffle his deck and he's still get at least 1 of them. Nothing he did prevented me from playing against him anytime he proposed a game, no matter how I loathe his attitude or one of his decks.
I went down to the LGS today and played this kid, looked like he was 5 years younger than me. He's playing a Bant deck. He manages to put down Elspeth, Sun's Champion, Jace, Memory Adept and gets out 9 3/3 Soldier tokens after he reached Elspeth's Ult. The match wasn't one sided but he did drop me pretty hard, but honestly I was smiling when I lost and very willingly offered a 'Good game'. I think what it comes down to is I need to stop playing Mr.G, Ms.W and Mr.R.
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In cases of the former, I will thoroughly enjoy grinding them beneath my heel (er... deck), but outwardly show nothing beyond baseline civility. And when there's an audience? All the better!
Whining, on the other hand, I just ignore. Completely. Some noise in the background, you say? Hm?
What about this.
I say gg & present my hand after every tournament game. This is for a variety of reasons, the only one of current relevance being the fact that I consider every (tournament) game a good game.
They may not have been fair, skill-testing, or anything like that (And if I'm salty I may make a remark about that), but from a rational point of view on either side of the table, it was good. Both people were trying to win, and in the end someone did.
So yeah, maybe saying GG to a 'bad' game is stupid. But imo, there are no bad games.
- The dude with his crappy draft deck, clearly behind, who takes ages to make his plays like he's setting up something rally clever, when it's clear to everybody the game is folded
- The condescending dude who almost, if not explicitly scoffs at your plays
- The closed/rude guy, who barely says a word except phases, and will suddenly call a judge on his own without even talking to you or expressing what the issue could be
- Sore losers, who turn a match into an endless litany of curses, sighs, mutterings, and overall negative tension. This can even sometimes degrade to becoming directly (passive-)aggressive towards you
- Slaughtering my carefully sleeved deck with barbaric shuffling - aggravating factor: dirty hands because he just had a sandwich or chocolate bar
- Shady/questionable player - stacking his land in an unclear way, unclear demarcation between battlefield, graveyard, bizarre way of drawing/fetching and so on...
- Sharky traders are okay when you know what you need and what you want, but plunderers are not
There's likely much more, but it's the usual litany I've known for the last 20 years
If someone did this to me I'd be in jail wondering which deck i'm gonna make next.
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UBRMarchesa Aggro
URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Just call a judge.
Seriously, its in your best interest to make sure your opponent plays in a way you can see what you have to see and make sure the game state is valid.
If people "hide" the lands in a pile its also invalid, they have to make sure all is visible and its totally fine to ask (or enforce) that they make sure you can see everything aswell.
Its not like magic is a game about tricking your opponent, at least not outside of the actual game rules.
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Think about the word "Hello." What does it actually mean? Nothing. The word is a societally accepted expression that politely establishes the start of a conversation without having any inherent meaning in and of itself. It's a greeting. "Good game" serves a similar purpose. I always, always, always say "good game" not necessarily because it's an accurate statement about the preceding game, but because it's a societally accepted phrase that politely establishes that the game is over and ends surrounding conversations without necessarily carrying the literal meaning of the words that make it up. It's become so ingrained into the culture of the game (and many others) that it doesn't have to carry any distinct meaning. It's a utility phrase, and I don't see the need for it to mean anything more than that.
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Along the same vein is the revenge player. Yeah, I get it, I removed your Voltroned-up commander seven turns ago. You don't need to keep gunning just for me.
Yes, it was probably staged, but it does indeed raise my blood pressure just thinking about it.
This rustles my jimmies super bad too. If someone starts to focus on me alone for some removal I played for a very legit reason, I warn them, and if it doesn't stop, I give up winning and go into no fun for them mode. Being on the receiving end of a badly focused player is just awful.
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UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy:
UWBMiracles
Edh:
UUUThassa Control
WWWHokori Stax
GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy
BBBGriselbrand French List
RBGShattergang(Super Villians)
RWGHazezon Flicker
UBRMarchesa Aggro
URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
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Oh, it was staged, full stop. No "probably" about it. It fell into the Leeroy Jenkins categories of videos made to make fun of a subset of a game's player base, but that people started to think was real on a wide scale.
The sad thing is that while tables are rarely flipped in real life, behaviour like the table-flipper's prior to his eponymous deed is more common than it should be. Everyone knows at least one That Guy (as /tg/ calls such players), though it's arguably the fact that they aren't widespread that they get the attention they do.
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I have seen this done multiple times from the FNM level up to qualifiers. In most cases the TO/judge handled it correctly and there was no need for jail for anyone.
My biggest gripe is the guy who is in top deck mode and draws his one out to win the game and then thinks they are the best ever at the game of Magic. Some just dont understand there is a bit of luck involved.
Yes I have done this, but i have never acted like I was the best pro ever for doing it. Its part of the game I understand that. Its all in how you handle the situation that gets me.
No one ever lets me leave ghave out in edh my poor innocent commander. Same with earth craft...
You can call a judge to have them shuffle your deck and cut it. I have seen people with very expensive decks do this at higher level events.