A few months ago, I bought myself this little gem of a card: invoke prejudice.
Looking at it, you might notice two things: 1) that is some pretty interestingly abstract art, and 2) that is some pretty racist-looking art.
Recently I've also been looking at getting a nether void which uses art from the same artist, but with less obviously racist imagery. It's still very interesting and abstract, as is a lot of his other stuff: Harold MacNeil (edit: this link doesn't seem to work so I guess just search magiccards.info or gatherer yourself)
For a lark I took a peek at his website, which I won't link here because it's made of crazy and I don't want to get in trouble, but it's easy to find. For those who want the cliffs notes on his pretty massive archive, it seems to mostly feature 4 things:
-womens' butts.
-an obvious enthusiasm for tentacle porn.
-a pretty significant love of Nazism that seems to be horrifying genuine (spoiler alert: Jesus Hitler!).
-really cool abstract art, sometimes featuring Cthulu, or beautifully complex landscapes, and really dramatic light and shadow and smoke and sky.
So this sort of bums me out - here's this guy who has a lot of talent and a great style, but then on the other hand <he's clearly a psychotic racist sexist nutjob>. It's kind of shocking that wizards ever used him as an artist, and I'm guessing they'd rather avoid talking about it now. But on the other hand he did contribute some pretty cool artwork to the game, and some of the other stuff he's done is even cooler. Should wizard use artists who are basically horrible people but do great art? Can we still appreciate the good art even while knowing it was done by an awful racist, or does that taint its quality?
Food for thought, I guess. Also, butts. Butts for thought.
A few months ago, I bought myself this little gem of a card: invoke prejudice.
Looking at it, you might notice two things: 1) that is some pretty interestingly abstract art, and 2) that is some pretty racist-looking art.
Recently I've also been looking at getting a nether void which uses art from the same artist, but with less obviously racist imagery. It's still very interesting and abstract, as is a lot of his other stuff: Harold MacNeil (edit: this link doesn't seem to work so I guess just search magiccards.info or gatherer yourself)
For a lark I took a peek at his website, which I won't link here because it's made of crazy and I don't want to get in trouble, but it's easy to find. For those who want the cliffs notes on his pretty massive archive, it seems to mostly feature 4 things:
-womens' butts.
-an obvious enthusiasm for tentacle porn.
-a pretty significant love of Nazism that seems to be horrifying genuine (spoiler alert: Jesus Hitler!).
-really cool abstract art, sometimes featuring Cthulu, or beautifully complex landscapes, and really dramatic light and shadow and smoke and sky.
So this sort of bums me out - here's this guy who has a lot of talent and a great style, but then on the other hand he's clearly a psychotic racist sexist nutjob. It's kind of shocking that wizards ever used him as an artist, and I'm guessing they'd rather avoid talking about it now. But on the other hand he did contribute some pretty cool artwork to the game, and some of the other stuff he's done is even cooler. Should wizard use artists who are basically horrible people but do great art? Can we still appreciate the good art even while knowing it was done by an awful racist, or does that taint its quality?
Food for thought, I guess. Also, butts. Butts for thought.
Dude. Art is freedom of speech. I mean c'mon, can you say you have never looked at tentacle porn or something just as, you say, 'disturbing'? Some people think girl on girl is 'disturbing' for crikies sake.
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Dude. Art is freedom of speech. I mean c'mon, can you say you have never looked at tentacle porn or something just as, you say, 'disturbing'? Some people think girl on girl is 'disturbing' for crikies sake.
I never used the word "disturbing" so I don't really know which specific thing you're talking about. The butt thing and the tentacle thing are both certainly weird (more for their quantity than their actual content - a pretty huge percentage of his art has basically the same butt in it, probably more than half), but probably not total society repellent the way that the racism is.
If you're asking "is racism disturbing", since the racism was the only thing I really described with negative adjectives (although really the tone of a lot of the tentacle and butt stuff seemed very sexist to me), then yes, racism is a major bummer. And sure, he's free from being arrested for being a racist in the US of A, but that doesn't mean he's not a giant asshat.
And as a resident of the internet, sure, I've SEEN tons of disturbing stuff. But I haven't painted it over and over again. There's a pretty big difference between seeing something and wanting to make more of it yourself.
Dude. Art is freedom of speech. I mean c'mon, can you say you have never looked at tentacle porn or something just as, you say, 'disturbing'? Some people think girl on girl is 'disturbing' for crikies sake.
I never used the word "disturbing" so I don't really know which specific thing you're talking about. The butt thing and the tentacle thing are both certainly weird (more for their quantity than their actual content - a pretty huge percentage of his art has basically the same butt in it, probably more than half), but probably not total society repellent the way that the racism is.
If you're asking "is racism disturbing", since the racism was the only thing I really described with negative adjectives (although really the tone of a lot of the tentacle and butt stuff seemed very sexist to me), then yes, racism is a major bummer. And sure, he's free from being arrested for being a racist in the US of A, but that doesn't mean he's not a giant asshat.
And as a resident of the internet, sure, I've SEEN tons of disturbing stuff. But I haven't painted it over and over again. There's a pretty big difference between seeing something and wanting to make more of it yourself.
Sorry, It just bugs me how people point out racialism, I find it a bit disturbing. I mean doesn't that mean your racist if you can see it? Can't people just accept there are different types of people already. It's like we are still living in the stone age.
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Sorry, It just bugs me how people point out racialism, I find it a bit disturbing. I mean doesn't that mean your racist if you can see it? Can't people just accept there are different types of people already. It's like we are still living in the stone age.
It's not exactly subtle, besides Jesus H. Christ (where the "H" stands for Hitler) there's a gif at the bottom that's got a wide variety of racist and pro-fascist images and words, and swastikas in some of his other art (although I guess without context you could pretend he was really into indian religion or something).
Also I can't really tell if you're being ironic or not, or if I'm just totally misreading you. Obviously seeing racism doesn't mean you're racist. Certainly there's a point where being hypersensitive to racism becomes prejudicial in itself, but I'm pretty sure that seeing racism in a guy with a picture of a WW2 german tank labeled "ghetto blaster" is pretty reasonable.
I don't know, he appears to worship his cat more than he worships Hitler. Sure, some of the imagery is similar in style to nazi/fascist imagery, but without sitting down with the man and having a discussion with him about his political beliefs I can't judge him on his politics. Nothing in his gallery tells me anything about him as a person, only about his inspiration and style as an artist. He has a very dark and distinctive style which I quite enjoy, despite preferring his magic art to his more politically styled work. Reminds me I need to save up for a Nether Void.
I'm an avid lover of tentacles. Tentacle based art and all sorts of things like that. So this whole nonsense of judging a man of his love for drawing art involving deep fried octopus and/or squid is just outright mean. In fact I personally will go enjoy calamari frequently.
Edit: ...I went to his website. I have seen. Things. I did not know calamari could bend that way.
A few months ago, I bought myself this little gem of a card: invoke prejudice.
Looking at it, you might notice two things: 1) that is some pretty interestingly abstract art, and 2) that is some pretty racist-looking art.
I honestly fail to see what exactly is "racist" about it.
Agreed. Does it depict/reference an easily identified racist group? Absolutely. But it isn't like it glorifies them. If anything the art combined with the name of the card serve to call out the group as prejudiced, something society generally condemns.
I'm not going to attempt to speak to the artist's political views (I cant seem to find anywhere online where he discusses them).
However I dont see anything inherently racist about the card or any of his other MTG artwork. For starters, the pointed hood far predates the existence of the KKK. The only reason to automatically assume the connection is if you take into account the name of the card "invoke prejudice", which makes it come off as a criticism, not a glorification.
His style in general looks very dark and gothic. There is certainly some Nazi-style imagery in his non-MTG work, but again, the Nazi's werent exactly original when it comes to imagery. I dont find it appealing, but I'm also not going to assume the intent unless he's spoken to it himself somewhere.
Its also quite possible that any current views he may have could have evolved over time, which would explain their absence in his earlier work as well as WOTC no longer using his artwork now.
Also, he seems to really love his cat, so how bad could he be?
The art is cool. There's definitely something strange going on in this guys head though and I do not want to know what that is. (He is a total racist btw.)
"I find it hysterical that today an ancient time tested path of preserving diversity called 'race'. is now a 'social construct'. while the notion of gender confusion is not, to the point of surgery... (this is the Weimar Republic, on steroids)... both rediculous and absurdly degrading to life's true diversity...H."
That is actually a fair point about invoke prejudice in particular, I was admittedly following what seems to be the common consensus on gatherer. It is, at least, pretty weird that the KKK show up in magic but then to be fair, the ability of the card itself is pretty racist. Taken out of the context of the rest of his website, the card itself seems odd but not necessarily racist, though, I'll concede that much. It's enough to pique my curiosity, though.
But taken in context of the rest of his stuff, it's definitely more unsettling. Between the pretty significant use of swastikas which could, I guess, be a (poor) artistic choice, he's got:
-A picture of 2 men making a Nazi salute framed by "Victory or Death: Compromise Corrupts"
-This rather oblique statement: "Every gardener knows, compassion to the weeds is cruelty to the rose".
-My personal favorite, Jesus Hitler
-The aforementioned German tank labeled "Ghetto Blaster"
-Another german tank with the phrase "A Country without concentration camps is a park without garbage cans"
-A picture of people with weird masks with the phrase "Israel lies...as the world...dies"
-A picture of a nazi uniform twith the phrase "the inviSSible man our dark times demand"
-A picture of the world with an IQ average for each country that says "Yes, diversity is real"
-A really long quote I don't really care to read by Adolf Hitler himself, above which it says "why he is still feared and banned."
-A poem that seems to be about Hitler and what a great guy he was, which I thought seemed too oblique to actually be hard evidence except that it's also in front of the same background as the above quote, which isn't used anywhere else (I'm not sure what it is, exactly, but it's some building).
-A picture of a person with microcephaly with the phrase "true face of american democracy: equality is an evil lie"
Anyway, I'm tired of looking through this stuff...the guy is a nut job. Are you adequately convinced yet? Yeesh.
I'm probably on every government watch list now =/
oh and that card has the multiverse id 1488, which is an absolutely insane coincidence....
What does the Multiverse ID Mean?
I found that kind of weird, I understand the connection between the 1488, but what does the Multiverse ID actually mean. Cause I looked at two cards from Return to Ravnica and their Multiverse IDs didn't match.
Monolithic, prolific, stark, striking, solid imagery, done in the vain of late 1920's/1930's political propaganda posters meant to sway the masses into a belief that there is a better way. A Fascist Cthulian way..... Pretty cool stuff though...
Harold Mcneill is the quintessential "tortured artist".
I wouldn't ever judge someone's art based on the type of person they are or what they believe in, or which way their political or social beliefs may lie. Art is art, I think it stands independent of the artist. All that matters is, does it speak it you? Do you like the technique, style, message or feeling you get from it? These are the only questions, really. Not, "Does this artist believe in God?" or other such inconsequential questions.
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—Lim-Dûl, the Necromancer
I actually knew Harold McNeil. Back in the 90's he lived in Seattle. A real good friend of mine was his roommate for a while. Just want to set things strait. The man is crazy intelligent, he spent time in the Navy doing god knows what, I believe he was actually a nuclear physicist. After that he did computer work for B of A. When I hung out with him was when he was doing art for WOTC.
Was/is he a racist? Probably. His copy of Mein Kampf was pretty dog-eared. He did artwork and helped promote the band Laibach, a band that got drummed out of performing in Seattle by the Jewish Anti Defamation League.
He's definitely into his cat. He was always in a black suit, with his head shaved down with a Bic razor. Last time I ran into him was in 2001 in Portland, Oregon. He looked the same as ever, dapper and a tad bit creepy. He was slightly arrogant and withdrawn, but always up for an intelligent conversation. He has little patience for bland minds. Most of his close friends were Nazi, Goth/Industrial, Satanic artist types.
I used to believe his racism had more to do with shock value than anything else, but I'm not so sure anymore.
I don't want to slander or libel the man(mostly out of fear). He is an extremely talented artist and intellectual, but his views on people and the world are slightly skewed, to be understated.
If you want to know more on his views read and listen to the works of Jim Goad.
And I'm curious. Wizards hands you a card called "invoke prejudice", probably along with suggestions on what to draw. How are you going to get the idea of "prejudice" as clearly as possible without using visuals of prejudice? Should you be called a racist if you draw what Wizards tells you to draw?
He might be a racist whackjob, but don't use his artwork to judge him. I'd make racist imagery, tentacles and buttocks if you paid me enough. Doesn't mean I'm racist, an octopus, or have a buttocks fetish. It means I like money.
What's wrong with a picture of Jesus-Hitler? That could mean anything. He could be saying Jesus is like Hitler or Hitler is like Jesus. It could be anti Christian. It could be pro Nazi. It could be about cults of personality. It could just be a random mash up of famous figures. The caption is "Alpha and Omega" which means the beginning and the end. It could be talking about opposites. Jesus was about self sacrifice and was killed. Hitler was about mass murder and committed suicide. Maybe there's something to that, it says "Blood is Life." Try using your brain to make sense of the concepts being expressed, they're different for everyone, which is what makes art interesting. Look a bit deeper than "That's a painting of Hitler, he must be a Nazi."
Maybe the guy is controversial for the sake of generating controversy. Maybe the guy has strong nationalist views. Unless he's causing actual harm its not really an issue. His painting doesn't hurt people. Telling people what they can and cannot paint does.
Purely from looking at his work to me he's just an artist with an appreciation for 20th century symbolism and style. His art is reminiscent of German expressionist with influence from 20th century propaganda. It's Gothic certainly.
And honestly now the imagery of a woman with a snake is from mythology, not tentacle porn... Jesus Hitler.
I'm sure people aren't judging him from his artwork, more-so by his actual beliefs (which are reflected in his works and by accounts of people who know him). if you read up on him, it becomes pretty obvious that the guy has some screws loose.
And in modern society, there is no room for racism (ala Donald Sterling). We don't have to tolerate intolerant people anymore.
Like I said, his art is very good - he is very talented. I find it hard to dig deeper though, knowing the motivation behind the art is the expression of a deranged and troubled bigot.
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Old enough to know better, much too young to care.
Anyone who thinks that you cannot judge an artist by their artwork is completely misguided. While no, you cannot judge them on a singular work taken out of context, you can however judge them on the sum total of their body of work. The vast majority of art an artist creates is NOT for commercial/financial benefit. Most of an artists works are an expression of their being. Would you let a guy who paints erotic nudes of eleven year old girls babysit your daughter? Just saying....I would not. The saying goes "if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck". I knew Harold, and his usage of nazi imagery was not critical, nor was it ironic. His works bely what is in his heart and mind. I'm not guessing, I know. I spent a good amount of time conversing with him at the Cafe Paradiso or at his home. The man firmly believes in and supports things that I just can't get behind. That said I do enjoy his art, funny that.
@Georg51, you're right on the money.
@A Vile Saint, Harold's thoughts and opinions are not difficult to learn. A little google search is all you need.
The hooded figure from Invoke Prejudice might not be representational of a klansman. He may have been inspired by the Spanish festival known as Semana Santa and the costumes worn by the Nazarenos.
Looking at it, you might notice two things: 1) that is some pretty interestingly abstract art, and 2) that is some pretty racist-looking art.
Recently I've also been looking at getting a nether void which uses art from the same artist, but with less obviously racist imagery. It's still very interesting and abstract, as is a lot of his other stuff: Harold MacNeil (edit: this link doesn't seem to work so I guess just search magiccards.info or gatherer yourself)
For a lark I took a peek at his website, which I won't link here because it's made of crazy and I don't want to get in trouble, but it's easy to find. For those who want the cliffs notes on his pretty massive archive, it seems to mostly feature 4 things:
-womens' butts.
-an obvious enthusiasm for tentacle porn.
-a pretty significant love of Nazism that seems to be horrifying genuine (spoiler alert: Jesus Hitler!).
-really cool abstract art, sometimes featuring Cthulu, or beautifully complex landscapes, and really dramatic light and shadow and smoke and sky.
So this sort of bums me out - here's this guy who has a lot of talent and a great style, but then on the other hand <he's clearly a psychotic racist sexist nutjob>. It's kind of shocking that wizards ever used him as an artist, and I'm guessing they'd rather avoid talking about it now. But on the other hand he did contribute some pretty cool artwork to the game, and some of the other stuff he's done is even cooler. Should wizard use artists who are basically horrible people but do great art? Can we still appreciate the good art even while knowing it was done by an awful racist, or does that taint its quality?
Food for thought, I guess. Also, butts. Butts for thought.
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Dude. Art is freedom of speech. I mean c'mon, can you say you have never looked at tentacle porn or something just as, you say, 'disturbing'? Some people think girl on girl is 'disturbing' for crikies sake.
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I never used the word "disturbing" so I don't really know which specific thing you're talking about. The butt thing and the tentacle thing are both certainly weird (more for their quantity than their actual content - a pretty huge percentage of his art has basically the same butt in it, probably more than half), but probably not total society repellent the way that the racism is.
If you're asking "is racism disturbing", since the racism was the only thing I really described with negative adjectives (although really the tone of a lot of the tentacle and butt stuff seemed very sexist to me), then yes, racism is a major bummer. And sure, he's free from being arrested for being a racist in the US of A, but that doesn't mean he's not a giant asshat.
And as a resident of the internet, sure, I've SEEN tons of disturbing stuff. But I haven't painted it over and over again. There's a pretty big difference between seeing something and wanting to make more of it yourself.
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Sorry, It just bugs me how people point out racialism, I find it a bit disturbing. I mean doesn't that mean your racist if you can see it? Can't people just accept there are different types of people already. It's like we are still living in the stone age.
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It's not exactly subtle, besides Jesus H. Christ (where the "H" stands for Hitler) there's a gif at the bottom that's got a wide variety of racist and pro-fascist images and words, and swastikas in some of his other art (although I guess without context you could pretend he was really into indian religion or something).
Also I can't really tell if you're being ironic or not, or if I'm just totally misreading you. Obviously seeing racism doesn't mean you're racist. Certainly there's a point where being hypersensitive to racism becomes prejudicial in itself, but I'm pretty sure that seeing racism in a guy with a picture of a WW2 german tank labeled "ghetto blaster" is pretty reasonable.
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"A Plague on All Your Houses!" - Thespian's Stage Pox
I'm an avid lover of tentacles. Tentacle based art and all sorts of things like that. So this whole nonsense of judging a man of his love for drawing art involving deep fried octopus and/or squid is just outright mean. In fact I personally will go enjoy calamari frequently.
Edit: ...I went to his website. I have seen. Things. I did not know calamari could bend that way.
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Agreed. Does it depict/reference an easily identified racist group? Absolutely. But it isn't like it glorifies them. If anything the art combined with the name of the card serve to call out the group as prejudiced, something society generally condemns.
However I dont see anything inherently racist about the card or any of his other MTG artwork. For starters, the pointed hood far predates the existence of the KKK. The only reason to automatically assume the connection is if you take into account the name of the card "invoke prejudice", which makes it come off as a criticism, not a glorification.
His style in general looks very dark and gothic. There is certainly some Nazi-style imagery in his non-MTG work, but again, the Nazi's werent exactly original when it comes to imagery. I dont find it appealing, but I'm also not going to assume the intent unless he's spoken to it himself somewhere.
Its also quite possible that any current views he may have could have evolved over time, which would explain their absence in his earlier work as well as WOTC no longer using his artwork now.
Also, he seems to really love his cat, so how bad could he be?
Salvador Dali was a chronic masturbator...
Leonardo DaVinci stole and autopsied corpses...
Vincent Van Gogh chopped off his own ear...
Seems to me, plenty of artists
arecan be or are rumored to be 'nutjobs'...Jus sayin.
EDIT: Fixed. Again, jus sayin. But I heard that rumor about the judge lands too.
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I'd be missing my Mana Drain s instead.
I've heard rumors that Terese Nielson did full art foil judge promo lands. Artists can be pretty crazy right?
"I find it hysterical that today an ancient time tested path of preserving diversity called 'race'. is now a 'social construct'. while the notion of gender confusion is not, to the point of surgery... (this is the Weimar Republic, on steroids)... both rediculous and absurdly degrading to life's true diversity...H."
But taken in context of the rest of his stuff, it's definitely more unsettling. Between the pretty significant use of swastikas which could, I guess, be a (poor) artistic choice, he's got:
-A picture of 2 men making a Nazi salute framed by "Victory or Death: Compromise Corrupts"
-This rather oblique statement: "Every gardener knows, compassion to the weeds is cruelty to the rose".
-My personal favorite, Jesus Hitler
-The aforementioned German tank labeled "Ghetto Blaster"
-Another german tank with the phrase "A Country without concentration camps is a park without garbage cans"
-A picture of people with weird masks with the phrase "Israel lies...as the world...dies"
-A picture of a nazi uniform twith the phrase "the inviSSible man our dark times demand"
-A picture of the world with an IQ average for each country that says "Yes, diversity is real"
-A really long quote I don't really care to read by Adolf Hitler himself, above which it says "why he is still feared and banned."
-A poem that seems to be about Hitler and what a great guy he was, which I thought seemed too oblique to actually be hard evidence except that it's also in front of the same background as the above quote, which isn't used anywhere else (I'm not sure what it is, exactly, but it's some building).
-A picture of a person with microcephaly with the phrase "true face of american democracy: equality is an evil lie"
Anyway, I'm tired of looking through this stuff...the guy is a nut job. Are you adequately convinced yet? Yeesh.
I'm probably on every government watch list now =/
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What does the Multiverse ID Mean?
I found that kind of weird, I understand the connection between the 1488, but what does the Multiverse ID actually mean. Cause I looked at two cards from Return to Ravnica and their Multiverse IDs didn't match.
Harold Mcneill is the quintessential "tortured artist".
Pauper EDH: ~ Rhox War Monk ~ Scornful Aether-Lich ~ Ashenmoor Gouger ~ Ascended Lawmage ~ Nightscape Battlemage ~ Warden of the Eye ~ Hedge Troll ~ Dinrova Horror ~ Renata
Pauper 60: ~ Caw Blade ~ MonoU Delver ~ MonoW Monk Fish ~
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—Lim-Dûl, the Necromancer
Was/is he a racist? Probably. His copy of Mein Kampf was pretty dog-eared. He did artwork and helped promote the band Laibach, a band that got drummed out of performing in Seattle by the Jewish Anti Defamation League.
He's definitely into his cat. He was always in a black suit, with his head shaved down with a Bic razor. Last time I ran into him was in 2001 in Portland, Oregon. He looked the same as ever, dapper and a tad bit creepy. He was slightly arrogant and withdrawn, but always up for an intelligent conversation. He has little patience for bland minds. Most of his close friends were Nazi, Goth/Industrial, Satanic artist types.
I used to believe his racism had more to do with shock value than anything else, but I'm not so sure anymore.
I don't want to slander or libel the man(mostly out of fear). He is an extremely talented artist and intellectual, but his views on people and the world are slightly skewed, to be understated.
If you want to know more on his views read and listen to the works of Jim Goad.
And I'm curious. Wizards hands you a card called "invoke prejudice", probably along with suggestions on what to draw. How are you going to get the idea of "prejudice" as clearly as possible without using visuals of prejudice? Should you be called a racist if you draw what Wizards tells you to draw?
He might be a racist whackjob, but don't use his artwork to judge him. I'd make racist imagery, tentacles and buttocks if you paid me enough. Doesn't mean I'm racist, an octopus, or have a buttocks fetish. It means I like money.
"Sometimes, the situation is outracing a threat, sometimes it's ignoring it, and sometimes it involves sideboarding in 4x Hope//Pray." --Doug Linn
Maybe the guy is controversial for the sake of generating controversy. Maybe the guy has strong nationalist views. Unless he's causing actual harm its not really an issue. His painting doesn't hurt people. Telling people what they can and cannot paint does.
Purely from looking at his work to me he's just an artist with an appreciation for 20th century symbolism and style. His art is reminiscent of German expressionist with influence from 20th century propaganda. It's Gothic certainly.
And honestly now the imagery of a woman with a snake is from mythology, not tentacle porn... Jesus Hitler.
And in modern society, there is no room for racism (ala Donald Sterling). We don't have to tolerate intolerant people anymore.
Like I said, his art is very good - he is very talented. I find it hard to dig deeper though, knowing the motivation behind the art is the expression of a deranged and troubled bigot.
@Georg51, you're right on the money.
@A Vile Saint, Harold's thoughts and opinions are not difficult to learn. A little google search is all you need.
The hooded figure from Invoke Prejudice might not be representational of a klansman. He may have been inspired by the Spanish festival known as Semana Santa and the costumes worn by the Nazarenos.