I wonder what will be the "correct" order, or the one most used when describing a deck using mana symbols only. Is it normal to follow the mana wheel from left to right?
Thanks but...The Mimeoplasmis GUB GUB, should it not be UBGUBG by the manawheel at least it is not shown as BUG BUG. This is a little confusing as Maelstrom Wanderer is URG URG correct by the mana wheel, where The Mimeoplasm the mana symbols is not given in the correct order by the wheel.
The rule for wedge colors is shared enemy first, then the allied colors. Basically, get the skip out as early as possible.
It's akin to the two-color rule, where you make the combinations via the least skipped colors between. It's why Skyknight Legionnaire is listed as RW and not WR.
The color wheel "starts" wherever it needs to, it just always proceeds in the same order. You can start at Green and so GUB does run through the color wheel. We tend to start with White because...well, that's just how Wizards orders the sets.
As for the RUG, BUG names? Well, that's just easier to say than GUB or UBG, and more memorable than Ana or Ceta.
But yeah, as Rambo says, the only person that's gonna care about it is you. No one's gonna stop you at a tourney and harass you for labeling your RUG Deck URG.
Thanks but...The Mimeoplasmis GUB GUB, should it not be UBGUBG by the manawheel at least it is not shown as BUG BUG. This is a little confusing as Maelstrom Wanderer is URG URG correct by the mana wheel, where The Mimeoplasm the mana symbols is not given in the correct order by the wheel.
GUB still follows the colour wheel order, Blue comes between Green and Black when starting at Green and moving clockwise around the wheel.
The wedges follow a pattern in much the same way as the shards do, each wedge is defined by a single colour and it's enemy pair. The symbols are ordered such that the single colour comes first, followed by the pair in colour wheel order.
To see the pattern in action, simple look to the planar chaos dragons: Oros, the Avenger (WBR) Intet, the Dreamer (URG) Teneb, the Harvester (BGW) Numot, the Devastator (RWU) Vorosh, the Hunter (GUB)
Note that this is how the symbols are ordered on a card, you can type it however you want. When describing a deck, people usually use the most common colour(s) first. ie: Bg, or UWr.
Angus Mackenzie follows the path starting with white, then blue and green. Maybe it was like this before. The wheel starts at white going to the right. So if a card is not white but has blue and other colors, the card starts with the blue mana symbol followed by the next one nearest to the right and the next one.
Diamond Faerie is maybe the new way to do it, making the colors follow in order so they are all neighbours. GWU instead of the old way which would have benn WUG?
I wonder what will be the "correct" order, or the one most used when describing a deck using mana symbols only. Is it normal to follow the mana wheel from left to right?
It's a wheel, not a line. You follow it clockwise.
And yes, many people name their decks incorrectly. Sometimes it's to show one color is more important (U/w control means control deck with way more U than W). Sometimes it's simply because, as RamboJesus said, most people don't care.
Even relevant sites like magiccards.info and cubetutor use some incorrect orders like 'WG' and 'GR'.
The Mimeoplasmis GUB GUB, should it not be UBGUBG by the manawheel at least it is not shown as BUG BUG. This is a little confusing as Maelstrom Wanderer is URG URG correct by the mana wheel, where The Mimeoplasm the mana symbols is not given in the correct order by the wheel.
Mimeoplasm follows the correct order in the color wheel. It starts at G, skip W, then go UB, just like Wanderer starts at U, skips B, and gets RG.
"Wedges" like those could either start at the allied pair then put the enemy color, or start at the enemy color then get the allied pair; both would be correctly clockwise in the color wheel.
They chose the second option back in Apocalypse (the first set to have such color combinations IIRC) and stick to it since then.
Angus Mackenzie follows the path starting with white, then blue and green. Maybe it was like this before. The wheel starts at white going to the right. So if a card is not white but has blue and other colors, the card starts with the blue mana symbol followed by the next one nearest to the right and the next one.
Diamond Faerie is maybe the new way to do it, making the colors follow in order so they are all neighbours. GWU instead of the old way which would have benn WUG?
Legends was a loooong time ago. Many things have changed since then.
They've even moved around the symbols in the oracle text of those cards (Adun Oakenshield, and Chromium for example) and even corrected the order in reprints (Sol'kanar the Swamp King was RBU in Legends and UBR in Time Spiral).
Angus Mackenzie follows the path starting with white, then blue and green. Maybe it was like this before. The wheel starts at white going to the right.
I wonder what will be the "correct" order, or the one most used when describing a deck using mana symbols only. Is it normal to follow the mana wheel from left to right?
It's a wheel, not a line. You follow it clockwise.
I described it as a wheel in my post, my wrong writing to the right, meaning clockwise
As an historical side-note, the WUBRG order was introduced with Chronicles. Prior to that colors were generally discussed in BUGRW order (alphabetical) and there was no standard for listing mana symbols on cards, it was random.
Source: A Collector's History of Magic the Gathering pg. 98
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It's been like that on the back of the cards forever, though.
Again, a wheel is not a line. The back of the cards has no indication of direction (clockwise or counter-) or starting point. As I pointed above, the same set could have a WU and a UW card.
I've always considered Red first, ever since reading an MTG strategy article online back in 2002-ish, that describes Red strategies, then Green strategies, &c.. The printing of Progenitus makes it so that White is "officially" first.
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The printing of Progenitus makes it so that White is "officially" first.
Are you saying that the ordinality was set with Progenitus? That is wrong. Like I said, the order was set back in 1995 with Chronicles. Even though all five symbols didn't show up on a single card, the order was stated and discussed by WotC. The first place all five showed up on a card was Sliver Queen in 1998 and it's happened a bunch of times between then and Progenitus, always in order. 5-Color Cards
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Angus Mackenzie follows the path starting with white, then blue and green. Maybe it was like this before. The wheel starts at white going to the right. So if a card is not white but has blue and other colors, the card starts with the blue mana symbol followed by the next one nearest to the right and the next one.
Diamond Faerie is maybe the new way to do it, making the colors follow in order so they are all neighbours. GWU instead of the old way which would have benn WUG?
Legends was a loooong time ago. Many things have changed since then.
They've even moved around the symbols in the oracle text of those cards (Adun Oakenshield, and Chromium for example) and even corrected the order in reprints (Sol'kanar the Swamp King was RBU in Legends and UBR in Time Spiral).
Wow...Thanks for that info! I probably never would've noticed that had you not pointed it out.
I feel like I just watched one of those "The more you know" public service announcements, lol.
Anyhow, the best I can come up with myself is a game in the top 8 of a PTQ back during Urza block in which we were starting game 3 with time already expired, so the tiebreaker rule was that whoever had more life after 3 turns would win. And I lost to... healing salve.
The printing of Progenitus makes it so that White is "officially" first.
Are you saying that the ordinality was set with Progenitus? That is wrong. Like I said, the order was set back in 1995 with Chronicles. Even though all five symbols didn't show up on a single card, the order was stated and discussed by WotC. The first place all five showed up on a card was Sliver Queen in 1998 and it's happened a bunch of times between then and Progenitus, always in order. 5-Color Cards
The ordinality was set with 1996 World Champion. That's the earliest printed 5 color card in WUBRG order.
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Angus Mackenzie follows the path starting with white, then blue and green. Maybe it was like this before. The wheel starts at white going to the right.
I don't remember where I read this exactly, but the set was designed around the elder dragons and all the other multicolor legends were "decended" so to speak from them so one of those could have been from the GWU dragon and the other from the WUB (in their minds) and they were trying to differentiate from the two.
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I wonder what will be the "correct" order, or the one most used when describing a deck using mana symbols only. Is it normal to follow the mana wheel from left to right?
These first ones is ok.
Esper: WUB
Grixis: UBR
Jund: BRG
Naya: RGW
Bant: GWU
But what about these, by their popular names.
RUG - Will you list the symbols like it is said RUG or follow the mana wheel URG?
BUG - The same, BUG or UBG?
Junk - BWG or by the wheel WBG?
RWB - RWB or by the wheel WBR?
UWR - UWR or by the wheel WUR?
U/W Miracles - UW as it is said or WU following the wheel?
Hope for some insight into this, want to mark my deckboxes with mana symbols in the right order
Many thanks in advance!
Just check recent legendarys! Like: the mimeoplasm , maelstrom wanderer
RJaya Ballard, Task Mage Mono Red Control Decklist
WNahiri, the Lithomancer Mono White Control Decklist
RGWUKynaios and Tiro of Meletis Aikido Control Decklist
UBGisa and Geralf Tribal Aggro Decklist
URGRiku of Two Reflections Non-combo coolstuff Decklist
RWUBruse Tarl, Boorish Herder and Kraum, Ludovic's Opus Equipments Decklist
WBAthreos, God of Passage Reanimate/Goodstuff Decklist
EDIT: http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtgcom/askwizards/0604
See the second question.
It's akin to the two-color rule, where you make the combinations via the least skipped colors between. It's why Skyknight Legionnaire is listed as RW and not WR.
The color wheel "starts" wherever it needs to, it just always proceeds in the same order. You can start at Green and so GUB does run through the color wheel. We tend to start with White because...well, that's just how Wizards orders the sets.
As for the RUG, BUG names? Well, that's just easier to say than GUB or UBG, and more memorable than Ana or Ceta.
But yeah, as Rambo says, the only person that's gonna care about it is you. No one's gonna stop you at a tourney and harass you for labeling your RUG Deck URG.
GUB still follows the colour wheel order, Blue comes between Green and Black when starting at Green and moving clockwise around the wheel.
The wedges follow a pattern in much the same way as the shards do, each wedge is defined by a single colour and it's enemy pair. The symbols are ordered such that the single colour comes first, followed by the pair in colour wheel order.
To see the pattern in action, simple look to the planar chaos dragons:
Oros, the Avenger (WBR)
Intet, the Dreamer (URG)
Teneb, the Harvester (BGW)
Numot, the Devastator (RWU)
Vorosh, the Hunter (GUB)
Note that this is how the symbols are ordered on a card, you can type it however you want. When describing a deck, people usually use the most common colour(s) first. ie: Bg, or UWr.
Diamond Faerie is maybe the new way to do it, making the colors follow in order so they are all neighbours. GWU instead of the old way which would have benn WUG?
It's a wheel, not a line. You follow it clockwise.
And yes, many people name their decks incorrectly. Sometimes it's to show one color is more important (U/w control means control deck with way more U than W). Sometimes it's simply because, as RamboJesus said, most people don't care.
Even relevant sites like magiccards.info and cubetutor use some incorrect orders like 'WG' and 'GR'.
Mimeoplasm follows the correct order in the color wheel. It starts at G, skip W, then go UB, just like Wanderer starts at U, skips B, and gets RG.
"Wedges" like those could either start at the allied pair then put the enemy color, or start at the enemy color then get the allied pair; both would be correctly clockwise in the color wheel.
They chose the second option back in Apocalypse (the first set to have such color combinations IIRC) and stick to it since then.
Legends was a loooong time ago. Many things have changed since then.
They've even moved around the symbols in the oracle text of those cards (Adun Oakenshield, and Chromium for example) and even corrected the order in reprints (Sol'kanar the Swamp King was RBU in Legends and UBR in Time Spiral).
There was no order at the time. The same set had Gosta Dirk (WU) and Kasimir the Lone Wolf (UW).
UBBreya's Toybox (Competitive, Combo)WR
RGodzilla, King of the MonstersG
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UBLazav, Dimir Mastermind (Competitive, UB Voltron/Control)UB
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It's been like that on the back of the cards forever, though.
Again, a wheel is not a line. The back of the cards has no indication of direction (clockwise or counter-) or starting point. As I pointed above, the same set could have a WU and a UW card.
Modern: U M'Olk; B Goodstuff
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Are you saying that the ordinality was set with Progenitus? That is wrong. Like I said, the order was set back in 1995 with Chronicles. Even though all five symbols didn't show up on a single card, the order was stated and discussed by WotC. The first place all five showed up on a card was Sliver Queen in 1998 and it's happened a bunch of times between then and Progenitus, always in order. 5-Color Cards
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Arabian Nights through Lorwyn: Complete
Alpha: 94.2% Beta: 95.0%
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Wow...Thanks for that info! I probably never would've noticed that had you not pointed it out.
I feel like I just watched one of those "The more you know" public service announcements, lol.
The ordinality was set with 1996 World Champion. That's the earliest printed 5 color card in WUBRG order.
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I don't remember where I read this exactly, but the set was designed around the elder dragons and all the other multicolor legends were "decended" so to speak from them so one of those could have been from the GWU dragon and the other from the WUB (in their minds) and they were trying to differentiate from the two.