I was playing my friend the other night with my monoblue devotion deck. I had 2Master of Waveson the board and had 12 3/2 tokens on the table. I swung for lethal and then won the game. Game 2 my friend had the white god on the table and was pumping out soldier tokens and also had Emmara Tandris on the table and was adding Sunbond and Unflinching Courage to his tokens and then overran me. Game 3 I took out Jace, Architect of Thoughtand replaced it with Jace, Memory Adept and used to 0 ability and milled him to death. He gets mad at me and says milling is cheap and told me that he wont play with me again if I do that again. I think he is being a sore loser and if he cannot get rid of the Jace that is his problem!
LOL Tackman! He was gaining way too much life and the only way I could deal with it was milling him! Milling is an effective strategy to go against lifelink and youre taking away their resources! I will acknowledge that the 0 ability is overpowered. He saw me sideboard in the Jace on game 3. Instead he was countering Thassa instead. If youre gaining that much life why would you worry about Thassa? He shouldve countered the planeswalker. Thats bad playing on his part!
I was playing my friend the other night with my monoblue devotion deck. I had 2Master of Waveson the board and had 12 3/2 tokens on the table. I swung for lethal and then won the game. Game 2 my friend had the white god on the table and was pumping out soldier tokens and also had Emmara Tandris on the table and was adding Sunbond and Unflinching Courage to his tokens and then overran me. Game 3 I took out Jace, Architect of Thoughtand replaced it with Jace, Memory Adept and used to 0 ability and milled him to death. He gets mad at me and says milling is cheap and told me that he wont play with me again if I do that again. I think he is being a sore loser and if he cannot get rid of the Jace that is his problem!
I would just ignore it, both of you are playing a game where there only can be one winner realistically. He is simply just being a sore loser, and I wouldn't consider him a friend if he has a problem with anybody but himself winning. I have to deal with whiny players in my playgroup every day because it's simply a common occurrence in casual MTG. Just today, I was playing a FFA multiplayer EDH game against an opponent with a Prossh, Skyraider of Kher EDH deck. He goes off and is about to kill everyone when he misplays and misses the game winning play by plusing Sarkhan Vol and giving all his tokens haste for the kill. He was standing up and laughing giddly while he was doing so. Instead, the next player board wipes and points out he could have won the game instead of just doing a measly 17 damage to one person. He groans the rest of the game about how he should of won and went from the best to worst board state. After I counter 2 of his bombs, he scoops claiming he doesn't have time to play the game anymore.
You know its funny you say that Karradur because he says he has been playing since beta! If someone has been playing since beta then they should be an expert on magic! He is basically saying not to use my planeswalker. Well too bad if it hit the field I am going to use it!
IronPlushy I dont actually have a casual deck. I play the decks I have in a casual format. I couldnt kill him because he gains a ridiculous amount of life so I did what any life gaining deck is weak against, and thats milling!
You know its funny you say that Karradur because he says he has been playing since beta! If someone has been playing since beta then they should be an expert on magic! He is basically saying not to use my planeswalker. Well too bad if it hit the field I am going to use it!
I've been playing since Unlimited and I'm pretty horrible myself. At least I play good decks though.
How long one's played doesn't define how good a player they are. I see Pros all the time that have played for only 4 years that are SO much better than me, but then they've dedicated much more time than myself in the past 4 years. It makes me depressed sometimes when I realize this. (that I've played since nearly the beginning and are getting bested my "newbies")
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It sounds like this guy is being a sore loser, there's no excuse for getting mad losing a game.
That being said, you talk about playing Jace and Master of the Waves and your opponent is playing with bad commons. Sounds like you are playing a legit competitive and his deck is more casual. That might be part of the issue if he sees nothing but rares in your deck while he's playing some random lifegain deck. So in a way it's understandable. It's not fun to lose. It's even less fun if you feel like your deck is being completely outclassed. For example, if I had my Standard competitive BW Midrange deck, and he comes at me with a Legacy competitive Reanimator deck that pumps out Grislebrands on turn 3 and protects them with discard spells and Force of Wills... I think I have a right to not want to continue playing. Personally if I'm playing someone that I know is playing casual, I'll try to play a deck that's on his level. There isn't fun in just completely blowing out a player.
My point is someone who says they have been playing since beta should know how to get around things!
4/16/2014 12:10:42 AM Dark Ritual we were both playing standard decks and its not my fault that he doesnt have a way to get rid of the planeswalker! Sucks to be him!
I'm gonna agree with DarkRitual and Aura here. He shouldn't have had any sort of meltdown about losing, but it's annoying when you're staring down a tank, and all you have is a slingshot.
I'm also going to point out that you logged into a Magic forum, and made a thread in order to complain about his complaints, so you can justify your own opinion that he took his loss way out of hand. That doesn't look pleasant on your part, amigo.
Starting to seriously doubt how unbiased your version of these events are. And honestly it sort of sounds like the whole story could just be forum bait just to get responses out of people.
If you are really being genuine here:
A. Nobody is all that interested in your personal drama over playing bad cards against each other.
B. When you are calling someone a whiner on a forum and saying "sucks to be him!", you probably shouldnt be referring to that person as "my friend" anymore. Perhaps use "an acquaintance" or "this guy I know" instead.
C. If you know someone who thinks that milling is overpowered, its really not that difficult to do some basic research and pretty categorically prove them wrong since its so rarely a remotely competitive strategy in serious play.
That, and in some cases the bad winners are worse.
TC's "friend" was probably on tilt. It happens to everyone in varying degrees (God knows I've been on tilt on many occasions) but it's the worst when people try to justify their being on tilt by calling certain strategies, especially ones which aren't even that good competitively, cheap. I hear it all the time about counterspells, combo, or land destruction.
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~1/4th of Magic players are sore losers in my experience.
This seems fairly conservative...
I realize he said 'in his experience' but my experience is quite different.
I don't play at shops anymore cuz it got so tiresome to see another spike pitchin a fit and throwing his deck jus cuz he's now two life points below his opponent.
Sore losers aren't hard to find.
I'm with Mickey... I'd say closer to between half and three quarters. Some may not always show it outright, but they're sore. I feel that way sometimes, but I don't go throwing a hissy fit about it.
Can I just say you both need to grow up a little? He's being sore at losing to milling, and you're being a really bad winner. Also, all the uses of exclamation marks makes it almost seem like you're yelling everything.
Tell your friend he is weak, like Russian Turnip, but he must instead be strong, like Russian Turnip. We in Russia have mixed feelings about Russian Turnip.
So we get the enemy colored painlands and not the allied color ones? Well that's reverse of the norm, but I thought Wizards was planning to do full 10 land cycles from now on.
Enemy pains could indicate allied Fetches in the next set, to offset the colour imbalance. It would also make sense since it would allow Modern to have access to all 10 Fetches as opposed to only 5.
Or you could read the article, and now that's not true.
No, his problem is running Emmara Tandris.
True friends don't let friends play Emmara Tandris.
Emmara Tandris at 7CMC doesn't even protect her tokens from Illness in the Ranks.
I would just ignore it, both of you are playing a game where there only can be one winner realistically. He is simply just being a sore loser, and I wouldn't consider him a friend if he has a problem with anybody but himself winning. I have to deal with whiny players in my playgroup every day because it's simply a common occurrence in casual MTG. Just today, I was playing a FFA multiplayer EDH game against an opponent with a Prossh, Skyraider of Kher EDH deck. He goes off and is about to kill everyone when he misplays and misses the game winning play by plusing Sarkhan Vol and giving all his tokens haste for the kill. He was standing up and laughing giddly while he was doing so. Instead, the next player board wipes and points out he could have won the game instead of just doing a measly 17 damage to one person. He groans the rest of the game about how he should of won and went from the best to worst board state. After I counter 2 of his bombs, he scoops claiming he doesn't have time to play the game anymore.
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I've been playing since Unlimited and I'm pretty horrible myself. At least I play good decks though.
How long one's played doesn't define how good a player they are. I see Pros all the time that have played for only 4 years that are SO much better than me, but then they've dedicated much more time than myself in the past 4 years. It makes me depressed sometimes when I realize this. (that I've played since nearly the beginning and are getting bested my "newbies")
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)That being said, you talk about playing Jace and Master of the Waves and your opponent is playing with bad commons. Sounds like you are playing a legit competitive and his deck is more casual. That might be part of the issue if he sees nothing but rares in your deck while he's playing some random lifegain deck. So in a way it's understandable. It's not fun to lose. It's even less fun if you feel like your deck is being completely outclassed. For example, if I had my Standard competitive BW Midrange deck, and he comes at me with a Legacy competitive Reanimator deck that pumps out Grislebrands on turn 3 and protects them with discard spells and Force of Wills... I think I have a right to not want to continue playing. Personally if I'm playing someone that I know is playing casual, I'll try to play a deck that's on his level. There isn't fun in just completely blowing out a player.
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Dark Ritual we were both playing standard decks and its not my fault that he doesnt have a way to get rid of the planeswalker! Sucks to be him!
I'm also going to point out that you logged into a Magic forum, and made a thread in order to complain about his complaints, so you can justify your own opinion that he took his loss way out of hand. That doesn't look pleasant on your part, amigo.
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There is such a thing as a bad winner, you know.
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Starting to seriously doubt how unbiased your version of these events are. And honestly it sort of sounds like the whole story could just be forum bait just to get responses out of people.
If you are really being genuine here:
A. Nobody is all that interested in your personal drama over playing bad cards against each other.
B. When you are calling someone a whiner on a forum and saying "sucks to be him!", you probably shouldnt be referring to that person as "my friend" anymore. Perhaps use "an acquaintance" or "this guy I know" instead.
C. If you know someone who thinks that milling is overpowered, its really not that difficult to do some basic research and pretty categorically prove them wrong since its so rarely a remotely competitive strategy in serious play.
That, and in some cases the bad winners are worse.
TC's "friend" was probably on tilt. It happens to everyone in varying degrees (God knows I've been on tilt on many occasions) but it's the worst when people try to justify their being on tilt by calling certain strategies, especially ones which aren't even that good competitively, cheap. I hear it all the time about counterspells, combo, or land destruction.
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This seems fairly conservative...
I realize he said 'in his experience' but my experience is quite different.
I don't play at shops anymore cuz it got so tiresome to see another spike pitchin a fit and throwing his deck jus cuz he's now two life points below his opponent.
Sore losers aren't hard to find.
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If I had a dollar for every time I missed playing a Counterspell ...
I'd be missing my Mana Drain s instead.
Oh... Ok... Clearly.
Gentlemen, I propose we let this die. Someone get the matches, I'll start pouring the gas.