I left a while ago when this was hitting reddit and asking most co-workers who knew nothing about the magic community sort of just jeered that this is "usual". I sort of shrugged at that and then got to thinking...
It's definitely wrong to make fun of this..
But the magic community doesn't exactly play "fair" when they ridicule minority players, female players, or GLBT players. Not saying in any way, this is correct.. but if you have a problem with this, hopefully it'll open your mind to the other facets of discrimination that still go on today.
I was actually really shocked. I don't think I've ever seen more than 1-2 butt cracks at any given tournament before. I guess I wasn't really looking for it either. I don't think that it is a normal part of the population. The people have to know. You can feel a breeze, right?
When you go to an event with thousands of people and are specifically looking for butt cracks, you'll likely find some
As a big guy, I know exactly how easy it is for your asscrack to show when you sit down.
That being said, there are some real easy ways to not have your ass crack show:
Pull your pants up when you sit down.
Buy a longer shirt.
Tuck your shirt in.
Really, as someone who potentially could be like one of the people photographed, I have no love for them. Their asses shouldn't be hanging out. Maybe buy a pair of slacks instead of jeans, they're more flexible.
The fact that people who clearly don't care if a room full of thousands have to look at their asses are being so venomously defended is honestly surprising to me. Outside of MTG these people would be told to dress and act like adults in polite company.
People in Magic confuse me. People literally to off about how anyone having more than a playset of a single card are the absolute most evil ****ers in the world, and yet are okay with people who literally don't know how to dress themselves. How is shaming someone for owning cards okay, but someone who's mooning everyone getting shamed is terrible? If shaming is okay it's okay, and if it's bad, it should be bad in all instances.
And if you want to say 'they probably look fine when they stand up', buddy you don't get to the 250lb+ range without spending most of the day on your ass, and if that's the case you should try to keep it covered.
Literally, that was the only thing I ever got picked on for in school, and it was because other people had a very real problem with looking at my ass. These people are selfish. They literally DO NOT care that other people have to look at their ass, and I'm sure they know it's hanging out-- there's usually a small breeze.
Maybe, and to be clear I'm very self-conscious about not showing that part of my body, but really, what does it matter? Why is it any of my business whether someone is wearing pants that fit? As for belts, I don't usually wear a belt to events. If your pants fit, you don't need one. Besides, if I wear the belt tight, it aggravates my back pain, and if I wear the belt loose, there's no point. I usually wear long shirts to avoid any issues, but who am I to tell other people how to dress? This is Magic, not a business meeting.
It matters because I don't want to see some random strangers ass crack every time I happen to look in the wrong direction, because it's gross and distracting. I wouldn't want to play against someone wearing just a speedo either, and even though it's not illegal or anything, I think we can all agree it's not something we'd want to see at a tournament. This is the same thing. The clothes they are wearing aren't properly covering the parts of the body most people don't want to see at an event like this, so it's a problem and they should have the common decency to address it.
Outside of MTG these people would be told to dress and act like adults in polite company.
Maybe if that was the response we wouldn't be having this problem. Instead of discussing it in a polite manner with the people, this player chose to ridicule and belittle them in a public forum. This is school yard level drama and is far more egregious than a wardrobe malfunction.
Outside of MTG these people would be told to dress and act like adults in polite company.
Maybe if that was the response we wouldn't be having this problem. Instead of discussing it in a polite manner with the people, this player chose to ridicule and belittle them in a public forum. This is school yard level drama and is far more egregious than a wardrobe malfunction.
This is a school yard level ass-hanging out.
Seriously, sometimes I have to stand up and pull my pants up or pull down/tuck in my shirt 3-4 times before I get it right. It's not hard to do, and like those guys in the picture I am not effected by my ass hanging out, unlike those guys in the pictures I am not a complete jackass and I know that thousands of people don't want to look at my ass.
The way I learned not to let it happen was by people harassing me about it.
These guys don't deserve sympathy, they know EXACTLY what's happening with their ass. They purposefully choose not to do anything about it, and like the majority of people at a GP they are all over 18 and should know better.
People at these events go 'it's just a room full of nerds, they don't care' which isn't true, not at a Grand Prix, not at some sort of LARP festival , not as a part of people dressing up like Star Trek and invading a LARP festival.
Look like, act like, and dress like an adult when you're in public and your picture isn't going to end up on 'asscracks of mtg' blogs or what ever.
Look like, act like, and dress like an adult when you're in public and your picture isn't going to end up on 'asscracks of mtg' blogs or what ever.
If only you applied the same standards of maturity to the person who was suspended. You might understand why he was suspended. You might also understand why adults don't get to use the excuse "but they were asking for it."
Look like, act like, and dress like an adult when you're in public and your picture isn't going to end up on 'asscracks of mtg' blogs or what ever.
If only you applied the same standards of maturity to the person who was suspended. You might understand why he was suspended. You might also understand why adults don't get to use the excuse "but they were asking for it."
And if I went to work looking like the players he took pictures of, I'd get suspended.
I realize that in some places there aren't players who you have to try to not smell when you play them, who don't look like they rolled off a heap of garbage and crawled out of the gutter in front of the hotel where the event's at, who don't just look, smell, and act like *****, but where I'm from we're not so lucky. Honestly, the MTG 'bros' are cooler, nicer, and just overall more enjoyable to be around than these people.
Basically, if you thinking shaming any aspect of the player base for any reason is okay, then this should be okay as well, because forget card flicking or playing counterspells in EDH, this is a real problem with the player base.
It's not mocking these players that makes us look bad as a group, it's that slob-esque players are defended for being slobs. If I didn't play magic already, walking into a game store would turn me off of it, specifically because of these kind of players who don't care that their ass hangs out, are often quite loud about opinions they should be slapped for having, and often act quite condescending towards everyone who actually behaves themselves.
I would describe particular game stores near me that have large amounts of these types of players as the exact opposite of a symphony. The exact opposite of what you'd expect to see at an art gallery. Similiar in smell and stickiness of a scummy bar attached to a cheap hotel, only everyone's sober and no one sleeps there.
That being said the LGSes I frequent are not like this at all, because I have options on where I can play.
Wow. I've never been exposed to that much crack in my life.
I'm jus glad this particular crack is NOT addictive...
We'd all be pawning our cards to get more... tragedy averted.
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Actually, I'm pretty sure a friendly person would say "you might want to pull up your pants." Then you would, then you would continue on your merry way.
If, on the other hand, your coworker took photos and posted it on an internet forum with the clear intent to ridicule, that person would be getting a call from human resources.
1.) He shouldn't have been doing this in the first place.
2.) Pull your pants up.
3.) It's a game where we spend Thousands of dollars on cardboard to pretend to be a wizard against another person who spent comparable money who is also pretending to be a wizard, so we should take ourselves less seriously.
You have no expectation of privacy at a GP. Says right there in the rules. What about wizards big pan shots of the hall or the tables? Surely a crack or two found its way into the feed and coverage.
What about everyone else's right to be treated with respect, and not have to deal with unhygienic and slovenly players? If you have exposed yourself inappropriatly, it should be no different than having your fly open and your genitals exposed after using the restroom. Unintentional, sure. Infraction-worthy? Definitely. Warnings and game losses have been given out before for disruptive hygene issues, Wizards would do better In Their own image to crack down on this behavior, not the photographer who exposed Wizards failure to address the problem.
Actually, I'm pretty sure a friendly person would say "you might want to pull up your pants." Then you would, then you would continue on your merry way.
If, on the other hand, your coworker took photos and posted it on an internet forum with the clear intent to ridicule, that person would be getting a call from human resources.
If my ass were hanging out, a manager would say something to me. If it were hanging out again, he'd mention it again. Eventually I'd get written up for it. Eventually I'd get multiple write ups. Eventually those multiple write ups will get me fired.
Because I live in the real world, and my clothes and appearance makes a statement about who I am, and I make a statement about who my employers are.
You're always on camera now, and everyone has the ability to post your picture to the internet immediately in their pocket.
If you don't want to be publicly shamed, don't do something shameful in public.
An MTG tournament isn't your place of work, though. The standards are different. And there's a huge difference between telling someone to pull up their pants and taking pictures to post publicly.
The fact that this a grey subject (There's hundreds of discussions about this from players to pros. From this forum to reddit arguing both sides), as well as the fact that it's been less than 24 hours, is the exact definition of knee-jerk sir.
WotC followed an established protocol and issued the standard, established, punishment for this action. Just because it didn't take them a long time to identify the player doesn't mean it was "knee jerk". Players reacitons on the internet may be knee jerk, but WotC's wasn't.
Heck it took WotC DAYS to ban the group that leaked all of New Phyrexia. This is a knee-jerk reaction to people being upset, and WotC worrying about what this says about their communities' public appearance.
This is WotC following the example that they have previously set with regards to insulting magic players on the internet.
Wizards would do better ... to crack down on this behavior,
C'mon, son.
But in general I agree with Tybalt that behavior is not appropriate in any public setting and those people showing their ass should be reprimanded. The guy who took the pictures executed the repremand in such a light-hearted yet effective manner should be praised, not condemned, and sure as hell not banned. I might be boycotting WoTC product over this.
My opinion:
1. Taking photos of people who have accidentally exposed their body without their permission is not acceptable
2. Uploading said photos to the internet without their permission is not acceptable
How would you feel if due to a belt malfunction or some other reason you ended up accidentally showing some parts you didn't mean to show and someone snapped a photo and put it on the internet for all to see? I'd be outraged.
3. If you are playing in a Magic Event, please try and ensure (eg by using a belt) that you will not be responsible for any indecency during the event.
When it comes down to it, other players and I don't want to see that and all players are expected to dress in such a way that they will be decent during the whole event.
4. If you spot someone who has accidentally exposed themselves, the best thing to do is to politely ask them to rectify the situation.
This improves the event for most people involved.
Can you recognize any of the people in the photo? I can't. It's not like he tagged anyone or showed anyone's face. So no, your analogy fails.
I've done the whole, "hey you, slob. Stop being a slob" thing before. It worked... for about two seconds. Then the pants went back down and I got to look at grown man ass all night. I'm pretty sure the way this was handled, the people who can recognize themselves will be a lot more self-aware in future.
These people are either:
1. oblivious to their own appearance, or
2. don't care whatsoever about their appearance.
If 1, then this might be a wake-up call.
If 2, then who gives half a *****?
Self-awareness, people. If you look like frumpy hell, you're going to catch attention. Maybe we should take a good look at ourselves and decide if that shoe fits.
Also, no reasonable expectation of privacy in a public place.
If you don't want to be publicly shamed, don't do something shameful in public.
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People are only shamed if they allow the actions of others to make them feel shamed. There is also a difference between feeling shamed for something where you have done nothing wrong, and feeling embarrassed because you have done something wrong and someone pointed it out.
Is having ass crack hanging out wrong? What about half the ass? What about 3/4 of the ass? At what point does this become indecent exposure? There were different levels to the pictures and some people definitely had a lot more "out there".
Have any of the people photographed made any comments in public forums on this? I'm curious as to their take on it.
I think that if people don't want other people to see their ass cracks they should maybe attempt to cover them.
While this man's montage might have been in poor taste, letting your ass crack hang out for several days straight in public is also in poor taste.
If you don't want to be publicly shamed, don't do something shameful in public.
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People are only shamed if they allow the actions of others to make them feel shamed. There is also a difference between feeling shamed for something where you have done nothing wrong, and feeling embarrassed because you have done something wrong and someone pointed it out.
Is having ass crack hanging out wrong? What about half the ass? What about 3/4 of the ass? At what point does this become indecent exposure? There were different levels to the pictures and some people definitely had a lot more "out there".
Have any of the people photographed made any comments in public forums on this? I'm curious as to their take on it.
"Wrong"? As in immoral? No. Morality is much different from preference. But, that's an entirely different conversation. It is certainly considered rude, or impolite to show your ass crack in public, though. I think we can all agree on that.
Between this and the Mt. Gox / Bitcoin stuff, MTG really hasn't been shown in a good light in the mass media lately.
It's definitely wrong to make fun of this..
But the magic community doesn't exactly play "fair" when they ridicule minority players, female players, or GLBT players. Not saying in any way, this is correct.. but if you have a problem with this, hopefully it'll open your mind to the other facets of discrimination that still go on today.
When you go to an event with thousands of people and are specifically looking for butt cracks, you'll likely find some
That being said, there are some real easy ways to not have your ass crack show:
Pull your pants up when you sit down.
Buy a longer shirt.
Tuck your shirt in.
Really, as someone who potentially could be like one of the people photographed, I have no love for them. Their asses shouldn't be hanging out. Maybe buy a pair of slacks instead of jeans, they're more flexible.
The fact that people who clearly don't care if a room full of thousands have to look at their asses are being so venomously defended is honestly surprising to me. Outside of MTG these people would be told to dress and act like adults in polite company.
People in Magic confuse me. People literally to off about how anyone having more than a playset of a single card are the absolute most evil ****ers in the world, and yet are okay with people who literally don't know how to dress themselves. How is shaming someone for owning cards okay, but someone who's mooning everyone getting shamed is terrible? If shaming is okay it's okay, and if it's bad, it should be bad in all instances.
And if you want to say 'they probably look fine when they stand up', buddy you don't get to the 250lb+ range without spending most of the day on your ass, and if that's the case you should try to keep it covered.
Literally, that was the only thing I ever got picked on for in school, and it was because other people had a very real problem with looking at my ass. These people are selfish. They literally DO NOT care that other people have to look at their ass, and I'm sure they know it's hanging out-- there's usually a small breeze.
It matters because I don't want to see some random strangers ass crack every time I happen to look in the wrong direction, because it's gross and distracting. I wouldn't want to play against someone wearing just a speedo either, and even though it's not illegal or anything, I think we can all agree it's not something we'd want to see at a tournament. This is the same thing. The clothes they are wearing aren't properly covering the parts of the body most people don't want to see at an event like this, so it's a problem and they should have the common decency to address it.
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This is a school yard level ass-hanging out.
Seriously, sometimes I have to stand up and pull my pants up or pull down/tuck in my shirt 3-4 times before I get it right. It's not hard to do, and like those guys in the picture I am not effected by my ass hanging out, unlike those guys in the pictures I am not a complete jackass and I know that thousands of people don't want to look at my ass.
The way I learned not to let it happen was by people harassing me about it.
These guys don't deserve sympathy, they know EXACTLY what's happening with their ass. They purposefully choose not to do anything about it, and like the majority of people at a GP they are all over 18 and should know better.
People at these events go 'it's just a room full of nerds, they don't care' which isn't true, not at a Grand Prix, not at some sort of LARP festival , not as a part of people dressing up like Star Trek and invading a LARP festival.
Look like, act like, and dress like an adult when you're in public and your picture isn't going to end up on 'asscracks of mtg' blogs or what ever.
And if I went to work looking like the players he took pictures of, I'd get suspended.
I realize that in some places there aren't players who you have to try to not smell when you play them, who don't look like they rolled off a heap of garbage and crawled out of the gutter in front of the hotel where the event's at, who don't just look, smell, and act like *****, but where I'm from we're not so lucky. Honestly, the MTG 'bros' are cooler, nicer, and just overall more enjoyable to be around than these people.
Basically, if you thinking shaming any aspect of the player base for any reason is okay, then this should be okay as well, because forget card flicking or playing counterspells in EDH, this is a real problem with the player base.
It's not mocking these players that makes us look bad as a group, it's that slob-esque players are defended for being slobs. If I didn't play magic already, walking into a game store would turn me off of it, specifically because of these kind of players who don't care that their ass hangs out, are often quite loud about opinions they should be slapped for having, and often act quite condescending towards everyone who actually behaves themselves.
I would describe particular game stores near me that have large amounts of these types of players as the exact opposite of a symphony. The exact opposite of what you'd expect to see at an art gallery. Similiar in smell and stickiness of a scummy bar attached to a cheap hotel, only everyone's sober and no one sleeps there.
That being said the LGSes I frequent are not like this at all, because I have options on where I can play.
I'm jus glad this particular crack is NOT addictive...
We'd all be pawning our cards to get more... tragedy averted.
-LEGACY-- RUR SpellDelver UWU Superfriends with Benefits
-MODERN- GBG B/G GoodGrief GRG R/G Go[o]dstuff
-CHROME- GGG Mean Green WUB Spirit Tribal
-PAUPER-- WBG Enchantments RUG RUG Delver
-1v1 EDH-- UB Lazav's Grindhouse BB Death by Sheoldred
If I had a dollar for every time I missed playing a Counterspell ...
I'd be missing my Mana Drain s instead.
If, on the other hand, your coworker took photos and posted it on an internet forum with the clear intent to ridicule, that person would be getting a call from human resources.
1.) He shouldn't have been doing this in the first place.
2.) Pull your pants up.
3.) It's a game where we spend Thousands of dollars on cardboard to pretend to be a wizard against another person who spent comparable money who is also pretending to be a wizard, so we should take ourselves less seriously.
What about everyone else's right to be treated with respect, and not have to deal with unhygienic and slovenly players? If you have exposed yourself inappropriatly, it should be no different than having your fly open and your genitals exposed after using the restroom. Unintentional, sure. Infraction-worthy? Definitely. Warnings and game losses have been given out before for disruptive hygene issues, Wizards would do better In Their own image to crack down on this behavior, not the photographer who exposed Wizards failure to address the problem.
If my ass were hanging out, a manager would say something to me. If it were hanging out again, he'd mention it again. Eventually I'd get written up for it. Eventually I'd get multiple write ups. Eventually those multiple write ups will get me fired.
Because I live in the real world, and my clothes and appearance makes a statement about who I am, and I make a statement about who my employers are.
You're always on camera now, and everyone has the ability to post your picture to the internet immediately in their pocket.
If you don't want to be publicly shamed, don't do something shameful in public.
WotC followed an established protocol and issued the standard, established, punishment for this action. Just because it didn't take them a long time to identify the player doesn't mean it was "knee jerk". Players reacitons on the internet may be knee jerk, but WotC's wasn't.
This is WotC following the example that they have previously set with regards to insulting magic players on the internet.
C'mon, son.
But in general I agree with Tybalt that behavior is not appropriate in any public setting and those people showing their ass should be reprimanded. The guy who took the pictures executed the repremand in such a light-hearted yet effective manner should be praised, not condemned, and sure as hell not banned. I might be boycotting WoTC product over this.
1. Taking photos of people who have accidentally exposed their body without their permission is not acceptable
2. Uploading said photos to the internet without their permission is not acceptable
How would you feel if due to a belt malfunction or some other reason you ended up accidentally showing some parts you didn't mean to show and someone snapped a photo and put it on the internet for all to see? I'd be outraged.
3. If you are playing in a Magic Event, please try and ensure (eg by using a belt) that you will not be responsible for any indecency during the event.
When it comes down to it, other players and I don't want to see that and all players are expected to dress in such a way that they will be decent during the whole event.
4. If you spot someone who has accidentally exposed themselves, the best thing to do is to politely ask them to rectify the situation.
This improves the event for most people involved.
We should be ignoring this fellow, not perpetuating his poor behaviour.
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I've done the whole, "hey you, slob. Stop being a slob" thing before. It worked... for about two seconds. Then the pants went back down and I got to look at grown man ass all night. I'm pretty sure the way this was handled, the people who can recognize themselves will be a lot more self-aware in future.
1. oblivious to their own appearance, or
2. don't care whatsoever about their appearance.
If 1, then this might be a wake-up call.
If 2, then who gives half a *****?
Self-awareness, people. If you look like frumpy hell, you're going to catch attention. Maybe we should take a good look at ourselves and decide if that shoe fits.
Also, no reasonable expectation of privacy in a public place.
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People are only shamed if they allow the actions of others to make them feel shamed. There is also a difference between feeling shamed for something where you have done nothing wrong, and feeling embarrassed because you have done something wrong and someone pointed it out.
Is having ass crack hanging out wrong? What about half the ass? What about 3/4 of the ass? At what point does this become indecent exposure? There were different levels to the pictures and some people definitely had a lot more "out there".
Have any of the people photographed made any comments in public forums on this? I'm curious as to their take on it.
Did you really need to disparage an entirely different subculture?
While this man's montage might have been in poor taste, letting your ass crack hang out for several days straight in public is also in poor taste.
Some pun about hind-sight being 20/20.
"Wrong"? As in immoral? No. Morality is much different from preference. But, that's an entirely different conversation. It is certainly considered rude, or impolite to show your ass crack in public, though. I think we can all agree on that.
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