So a few days ago I was at my local card shop and happened over hear a trade between one of the local players and a kid who is new to the game. The kid really wanted to make black devotion deck seeing as everyone in our meta has one and the other guy was willing to make a trade for his Gray Merchants and decided to silver tongue his way to getting that kids Shrine to Nyx. I decided to step in and stop the whole thing before the poor kid got ripped off.
It got me thinking about if anyone else sees this happening a lot, or hell if it has ever happened to them. What were trades that had you frowning over?
worst thing I ever traded was actually to a store. sold Mindsculptor for $25. My fault entirely. I pulled 2 in the same day and had no idea what a walker was (stopped the first time in Ravnica: city of guilds so no walkers) He was $80 at the time. man was I mad when it shot up. My own stupidity though. I was smart enough to keep one of them and as a primarily EDH player now that's good enough for me.
I just started playing magic very recently (after theros), but I have 2 friends that have been playing for years so they helped me get started. Got a Theros fatpack, a ton of boosters and traded a 6 pack of beer for a 2014 core deck builders tool kit. But my weirdest trade was when I got a foil black land card in a booster, one of my friends is super weird so he traded me Into the Wilds for it. Next time I went over there he told me that he had just ordered a ton of foiled land. He's pretty OCD about things.
Way back when I first started playing Magic, probably late summer of '94, there wasn't nearly the easy access to price information there is now. At the time, all that was really easily available for purchase was Revised. It was the gap between The Dark and Fallen Empires. I came across a new playgroup and as people are likely to do, I broke out the trade binder. Looking through another fellows' binder, I came across a card called Enchantment Alteration. Fell in love with it. Had to have it. Had no idea it was just a common and wasn't worth anything. Ended up trading a Revised Dual and a Fork for it. Still stings, 20 years later. I can't say enough how much I love having my smartphone on me for easy pricing info now.
Worst trade (financially) I made was a complete set of Revised Duels (yes, 4 of each) for a crapload of Shadowfist cards.
The duels were $10 a piece at the time. I ended up getting hellalot of play value out the Shadowfist cards, however, and when I sold them I recouped most of what I had given in value. At today's prices, however... ouch.
All said, the play value was more than enough, as I had an amazing time for a few years at the gaming group in north London (UK), and then again in Munich for a few more..
People who "disrupt" people making "unfair" trades are ridiculous. How would you feel if you were a electronics store, selling a TV, and I pointed out to a customer that he/she could get the same TV for significantly less online? You would feel pretty peeved, and rightfully so.
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If that's your "casual," what on earth is required for "formal," a butler in livery shuffling the decks whilst a pianist plays Brahms in front of a tapestry?
People who "disrupt" people making "unfair" trades are ridiculous. How would you feel if you were a electronics store, selling a TV, and I pointed out to a customer that he/she could get the same TV for significantly less online? You would feel pretty peeved, and rightfully so.
I once witnessed a guy open a foil JTMS at the WWK prerelease and immediately trade it for a "BW life gain deck". I tried to talk him out of it and even offer him cards of more value for it but he was pretty set on exchanging his (at the time) 150$ card for Nip Gwyllions and Evershrikes. Its even more funny cause at their peak at WWK jaces was around 750$.
The worst magic trade I ever did was trading cash for booster packs this one time.
I have a few that are fairly recent and still sting.
I traded a Karakas I've had in my trade binder since around '98 for a Damnation and 2 Wurmcoil Engines. The Karakas spiked a month or so later to $90. At least the 3 cards I traded for are steadily rising.
The other happened when RtR came out. I opened a foil Deathrite Shaman in my box. I had just started playing with my wifes co-worker and he really wanted the Shaman. All he had was a foil Blood Crypt and a few random EDH things I wanted. He checked SCG prices on his phone and said Blood Crypt was $30 and the Shaman was $35. Little did I know the Shaman was sold out at $35 when he checked... I saw a post here about someone not being able to find a foil shaman anywhere. It was restocked at $60+ a few days later. I haven't seen him since. Grrr...
I do have a trade that went my way though. Back in 2002 I traded a few Anurid Brushhoppers for a CE Volcanic Island. The CE duals weren't worth much back then. It looks great in my Jhoira EDH deck now!
My Sister who had only been playing for like 3 weeks traded a few commons and like one janky THS rare(way less than a dollar total) for Liliana of the Veil, Grimgrin, Corpse-Born[/CARD] and a few more INN block rares. I was shocked.
In my casual play group I seen all kinds of weird trades for valuables, everything from commons to a pack of cigarettes.
My personal experience was selling my rares (1000?) to someone with an ad in the paper (along time ago) for $100 this was when shocklands were only worth $20 and ischron scepters $3 I then decided to give them a moving box full of c/u because I was getting out of the game and felt I didn't need them.
A little while later I bought a divine Vs demonic pack for $15 over the counter that I planned on keeping as a memento to magic, and a friend first convinced me we should open and play it then eventually to give it to him since he still played.
Those both stung pretty bad in hindsight.
I think if you know one of the traders personally, it's not a bad to back your friend up and make sure they don't get screwed in a trade or sale, but to go out of your way to block someone at random is uncalled for, If anything I would not want to be that guy that no wants around their trade table because he's always disrupting trades, minding your own business is a good practice.
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Well, if I was a store owner who blatantly tries to rip off people, I'd say I deserve that.
Attaching the label "ripping off" someone automatically makes it bad, without actually looking at the facts. It was a mutually agreed upon transaction!
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If that's your "casual," what on earth is required for "formal," a butler in livery shuffling the decks whilst a pianist plays Brahms in front of a tapestry?
I've told this story before but dammit it needs to be heard again.
Day of Dark Ascension's release. I trade in my Polluted Delta for a Havengul Lich and a pack of DKA to my LGS. I almost never used that Lich, pulled meh from the pack, and got a second Lich a bit later on from a fat pack. And then Delta skyrocketed in price.
People who "disrupt" people making "unfair" trades are ridiculous. How would you feel if you were a electronics store, selling a TV, and I pointed out to a customer that he/she could get the same TV for significantly less online? You would feel pretty peeved, and rightfully so.
I dont care if its an electronics store, a car dealership, or a LGS. If I feel one of the parties is being taken advantage of, I will speak up. Those that wouldnt are not people I want to deal with any way. If both parties finish the deal knowing one is being taken advantage of, thats not my business to stop, but I will let them know.
I used to own a single copy of Force of Will, but my cat peed and pooped on it. I took it to a card store to see if it was still worth anything. The clerk didn't want it because it smelled awful, but a guy came up to me and offered a legends Killer Bees and a Lotus Petal for it. We both felt like we ripped the other guy off because I felt like my card was literal garbage now that it smelled and looked like a litter box, and the other guy felt like he got a Force of Will for next to nothing, even though it was extremely low quality.
Worse one I ever saw was a kid (around age eleven, I think) convincing a grown man to give him a foil Avatar of Woe and Kavu Titan for a fourth edition Lord of the Pit. It's not often you see the kids doing the sharking.
Attaching the label "ripping off" someone automatically makes it bad, without actually looking at the facts. It was a mutually agreed upon transaction!
Nice job backing up your arguments with reason.
Mutual agreement doesn't always mean "fair trade", Faust.
People who "disrupt" people making "unfair" trades are ridiculous. How would you feel if you were a electronics store, selling a TV, and I pointed out to a customer that he/she could get the same TV for significantly less online? You would feel pretty peeved, and rightfully so.
Well, apparently I must be quite ridiculous then ;). I've butted in on a number of trades at the shop I owned/ran the magic singles collection for, judged, and help overall run the shop in general. Being the magic guy and knowing the value of cards, I always kept an eye out for people trying to rip others off. I would tend to be subtle about it, often it came with established players trying to take advantage of new players. If I was walking around and noticed a new player and an established player trading, I would glance at what was on the table and possibly make a point of what was being discussed during the trading. On several occasions I would be walking by and comment on how awesome a particular card the new player had, and how it was a $20 or whatever valued card. Oftentimes getting a surprised reaction from the new player, and often a look of death from the established player or get told to butt out (which I wouldn't). Having a good trade environment for all players at a shop was important to myself and the owner, players ripping off other players, especially those ignorant of what their cards were worth, was simply unacceptable. I assisted in many a trade over the years by helping value both sides for those involved, or verifying value if one side wasn't sure the worth of the cards.
Heck, I've even had someone trying to trade in cards for certain other cards that I knew someone else there had, and would stop the trade in and have the two people talk to try to work out a trade between them for even value to help out the both of them. My viewpoint was always that I was there to help the customers as best I could. Whether that was selling/trading my own stuff to a customer, helping set up trades between customers, or stopping certain people from potentially ripping off others in trades. The only thing we didn't allow in the shop was cash trading hands for cards via trading between players (if I had the cards available for sale in the shop), trading cards for cards was always fine, trading cards for cash was the only thing I drew the line at. (Something that was rarely an issue thankfully). The exception to that was people who had built up trade credit with me could transfer that trade credit to others as part of a trade they were doing, that happened fairly often.
As far as making poor trades myself, hehe, I've had some bad ones over the years and especially early on, but each bad trade I made, I learned from, and helped make me a better and smarter trader in the long run.
The worst trade I have ever done was my Cryptic Command for someone else's Deathrite Shaman. I know this isn't that bad but after looking up the prices and saw Cryptic went up I felt a bit nauseous.
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It got me thinking about if anyone else sees this happening a lot, or hell if it has ever happened to them. What were trades that had you frowning over?
The duels were $10 a piece at the time. I ended up getting hellalot of play value out the Shadowfist cards, however, and when I sold them I recouped most of what I had given in value. At today's prices, however... ouch.
All said, the play value was more than enough, as I had an amazing time for a few years at the gaming group in north London (UK), and then again in Munich for a few more..
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The worst magic trade I ever did was trading cash for booster packs this one time.
And then all the casual people at my local store know the value of shock lands but doesn't want them so I can get them for only a few dollar rares.
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I traded a Karakas I've had in my trade binder since around '98 for a Damnation and 2 Wurmcoil Engines. The Karakas spiked a month or so later to $90. At least the 3 cards I traded for are steadily rising.
The other happened when RtR came out. I opened a foil Deathrite Shaman in my box. I had just started playing with my wifes co-worker and he really wanted the Shaman. All he had was a foil Blood Crypt and a few random EDH things I wanted. He checked SCG prices on his phone and said Blood Crypt was $30 and the Shaman was $35. Little did I know the Shaman was sold out at $35 when he checked... I saw a post here about someone not being able to find a foil shaman anywhere. It was restocked at $60+ a few days later. I haven't seen him since. Grrr...
I do have a trade that went my way though. Back in 2002 I traded a few Anurid Brushhoppers for a CE Volcanic Island. The CE duals weren't worth much back then. It looks great in my Jhoira EDH deck now!
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Those 2 deals were like more than 3 years ago tho.
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My personal experience was selling my rares (1000?) to someone with an ad in the paper (along time ago) for $100 this was when shocklands were only worth $20 and ischron scepters $3 I then decided to give them a moving box full of c/u because I was getting out of the game and felt I didn't need them.
A little while later I bought a divine Vs demonic pack for $15 over the counter that I planned on keeping as a memento to magic, and a friend first convinced me we should open and play it then eventually to give it to him since he still played.
Those both stung pretty bad in hindsight.
I think if you know one of the traders personally, it's not a bad to back your friend up and make sure they don't get screwed in a trade or sale, but to go out of your way to block someone at random is uncalled for, If anything I would not want to be that guy that no wants around their trade table because he's always disrupting trades, minding your own business is a good practice.
Attaching the label "ripping off" someone automatically makes it bad, without actually looking at the facts. It was a mutually agreed upon transaction!
Nice job backing up your arguments with reason.
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Day of Dark Ascension's release. I trade in my Polluted Delta for a Havengul Lich and a pack of DKA to my LGS. I almost never used that Lich, pulled meh from the pack, and got a second Lich a bit later on from a fat pack. And then Delta skyrocketed in price.
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I dont care if its an electronics store, a car dealership, or a LGS. If I feel one of the parties is being taken advantage of, I will speak up. Those that wouldnt are not people I want to deal with any way. If both parties finish the deal knowing one is being taken advantage of, thats not my business to stop, but I will let them know.
Worse one I ever saw was a kid (around age eleven, I think) convincing a grown man to give him a foil Avatar of Woe and Kavu Titan for a fourth edition Lord of the Pit. It's not often you see the kids doing the sharking.
Mutual agreement doesn't always mean "fair trade", Faust.
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Well, apparently I must be quite ridiculous then ;). I've butted in on a number of trades at the shop I owned/ran the magic singles collection for, judged, and help overall run the shop in general. Being the magic guy and knowing the value of cards, I always kept an eye out for people trying to rip others off. I would tend to be subtle about it, often it came with established players trying to take advantage of new players. If I was walking around and noticed a new player and an established player trading, I would glance at what was on the table and possibly make a point of what was being discussed during the trading. On several occasions I would be walking by and comment on how awesome a particular card the new player had, and how it was a $20 or whatever valued card. Oftentimes getting a surprised reaction from the new player, and often a look of death from the established player or get told to butt out (which I wouldn't). Having a good trade environment for all players at a shop was important to myself and the owner, players ripping off other players, especially those ignorant of what their cards were worth, was simply unacceptable. I assisted in many a trade over the years by helping value both sides for those involved, or verifying value if one side wasn't sure the worth of the cards.
Heck, I've even had someone trying to trade in cards for certain other cards that I knew someone else there had, and would stop the trade in and have the two people talk to try to work out a trade between them for even value to help out the both of them. My viewpoint was always that I was there to help the customers as best I could. Whether that was selling/trading my own stuff to a customer, helping set up trades between customers, or stopping certain people from potentially ripping off others in trades. The only thing we didn't allow in the shop was cash trading hands for cards via trading between players (if I had the cards available for sale in the shop), trading cards for cards was always fine, trading cards for cash was the only thing I drew the line at. (Something that was rarely an issue thankfully). The exception to that was people who had built up trade credit with me could transfer that trade credit to others as part of a trade they were doing, that happened fairly often.
As far as making poor trades myself, hehe, I've had some bad ones over the years and especially early on, but each bad trade I made, I learned from, and helped make me a better and smarter trader in the long run.
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