Except Green would be that guy who doesn't go to college and thrives by getting on a career path straight away. Or he goes into athletics, leaving early to go play pro-ball
No, not really. I'd say people like George R. R. Martin and J. R. R. Tolkien are both Green mages.
Look at what they did, they took history, tradition, and culture, and used that to create fictional worlds. Both of their works are actually deeply seeded in those things which are all green.
Green also has a lot of people who enjoy how to read, such as Reki, the History of Kamigawa who has the entire history tattooed on his body, he's a living book. Magus of the Library is also incredibly well read.
Well English is much more about lore and story telling, and I'd generally view a bard or storyteller as a Green character.
Theater on the other hand could go either way, it can be a very raw expression of emotion but it can also be more structured and about conveying a lesson than an expression. I'd say it could be in either camp, where Red gets the more energetic and performance based theater and Green gets the more story based theater.
Green also has a lot of people who enjoy how to read, such as Reki, the History of Kamigawa who has the entire history tattooed on his body, he's a living book. Magus of the Library is also incredibly well read.]
Reki looks like a monk who relays history and wisdom by way of stories and allegory, and in discussions like this you should never use TSP block cards as examples. MotL is a creature version of an old land.
Who developed Urza's Saga. That's all we need to know about his sense of game balance. (And he admits this. You clearly don't.)
Yea, it was a huge mistake and one he learned from. People should not be thought less of for their mistakes.
I don't know, that sounds more blue. Or white.
Actually, white has no longer has the same kind of artifact hate that it once did. Disenchant, for example, is no longer considered to be an acceptable part of white's purview.
I think that could be blue as well as green, but so far polymorph type abilities have targeted creatures, and MaRo is not all that enthusiastic about how they have been implemented either.
again, power level=/=color pie and wotc doesn't give a damn about player consesus and color pie. anti-flying green cards are weak? then why they are printing it every year? to mantain an important aspect of green color pie. if you chose to ignore it, neither wotc, other players or green itself care.
It's not an important part. How can it be important if nobody ever plays it? I oppose it on parsimony grounds more than anything. (You know, that thing Maro keeps talking about?)
seeing that you are again prefering your personal opinion to facts. you can hate maro and think he's a moron, he's still one of the most important guys working in wotc. if he says "green need cards to punish flying" green will have this cards, evn if they suck
Strawman. I said Maro isn't a developer. He says he isn't a developer. You're the only one who thinks he's a developer.
i never said every keyword must be hated. wotc just said that flying have to be hated (again, it's not my flawed logic. even cards printed proves that). why? i can't know that, i can only make supposition. probably it's because flying it's the most iconic keyword in the game (another thing said by maro in an article, if you want to question me).
You could Google it before you make those claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Near as I can tell, flying hate is why green doesn't get flying. But it's supposed to be green's solution to flying. If so, then they forget the other part of that bit of pseudoscience: It only works if only one card in every 10^50 hates flying. So you could say it's their dilutions of grandeur. (See? I can even make lamer puns than Maro.)
Yea, it was a huge mistake and one he learned from. People should not be thought less of for their mistakes.
No, but people should be thought less of for thinking someone who admits development isn't his forte is some sort of development expert. That'd be like if you said I'm an expert on Moche pottery when I've never even taken an archaeology class.
Actually, white has no longer has the same kind of artifact hate that it once did. Disenchant, for example, is no longer considered to be an acceptable part of white's purview.
I'd argue that in the last artifact set, it had the best artifact hate, but that's neither here nor there
I think that could be blue as well as green, but so far polymorph type abilities have targeted creatures, and MaRo is not all that enthusiastic about how they have been implemented either.
More because they're always pushed. Like, instant speed for U. Which is...kinda sorta exactly the problem with Swords to Plowshares and friends. I shouldn't be in black/red and splashing another color to kill creatures.
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
No, but people should be thought less of for thinking someone who admits development isn't his forte is some sort of development expert. That'd be like if you said I'm an expert on Moche pottery when I've never even taken an archaeology class.
Yea, I misunderstood your point. He is not a developer and willingly admits it is not his strong suit. He gets blamed for power level issues far too often.
I'd argue that in the last artifact set, it had the best artifact hate, but that's neither here nor there.
The question regarding this came up in response to demystify being in Magic 2012, and that is when I started seeing MaRo answering these questions to the effect that white no longer gets as efficient artifact hate as green does (and as it once did).
Yea, I misunderstood your point. He is not a developer and willingly admits it is not his strong suit. He gets blamed for power level issues far too often.
Well, he did invent a lot of mechanics. Some of those (splice) are more or less worthless in their current incarnation. Others (free spells, affinity, cascade, storm) are kinda insane. Still others (infect) aren't really all that powerful, but are very griefy.
The question regarding this came up in response to demystify being in Magic 2012, and that is when I started seeing MaRo answering these questions to the effect that white no longer gets as efficient artifact hate as green does (and as it once did).
I guess it's a Core Set thing. I mean, Revoke Existence is a perfect flavor win in Theros, where belief in the gods makes them real. And it fits a mechanical theme (indestructible enchantments). In Scars of Mirrodin, I just couldn't help but think "exile an artifact for 1W, destroy an artifact and gain life equal to CMC for 1W". I mean, I know it had Glissa's Scorn, but that was like, the only green artifact hate really worth considering.
We are in a period of time where Green is a VERY strong colour in magic. It does not need changing IMO because it is doing fine as it is.
Blue had it's time and red before that. Now it's green's turn in the sun.
That's interesting. Before Theros, the last Standard tier 1 deck that wasn't white that I can remember was Valakut. The last one that didn't use Primeval Titan was Jund. So I'd say right now white's on top.
(Again, white should not get efficient card draw, blue should not get efficient removal, etc. etc.)
i still don't understand you point... is that hating flying isn't part of green color pie? because, well, you can talk a lot and say many things against it, but it is. that's why they printed skyreaping in born of the gods, arbor colossus in theros and so on.
You're funny. My point is that it doesn't belong in the game, not that it doesn't belong in green's color pie. For the same reason Break Open doesn't belong in the game. Because if nobody ever uses it, it might as well not be there.
But it is funny that Plummet is analogous to the quackery.
My favorite part is listening to people try to say "Arbor Colossus is better than Kalonian Hydra because you don't need to attack to pump it." Yeah, when I have six mana, I'm not hanging back and blocking unless I'm doing some sort of Blood Artist (or Disciple of the Vault) shenanigans. Or "Arashi, the Sky Asunder and Cloudthresher do so belong on a list of cards that are generally useful in EDH." No, they're the definition of narrow, and even Pyroclasm is too small an effect for EDH.
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
Well, he did invent a lot of mechanics. Some of those (splice) are more or less worthless in their current incarnation. Others (free spells, affinity, cascade, storm) are kinda insane. Still others (infect) aren't really all that powerful, but are very griefy.
Regardless, power level (for the non-infect mechanics) is set by development. He later admitted that free spells was the one mechanic he designed that could not have been made a reasonable power level by development, but the others were all powered or de-powered by devlopment, and it was dev. that signed off on them being good for the set.
Infect is another story. He loves it, and a vocal minority of players very much do not. Their market research shows that it was very popular, and there was no domination or overpowering of a deck using it while it was in Standard. There will always be people that don't like it, but it was not a bad mechanic.
I guess it's a Core Set thing. I mean, Revoke Existence is a perfect flavor win in Theros, where belief in the gods makes them real. And it fits a mechanical theme (indestructible enchantments). In Scars of Mirrodin, I just couldn't help but think "exile an artifact for 1W, destroy an artifact and gain life equal to CMC for 1W". I mean, I know it had Glissa's Scorn, but that was like, the only green artifact hate really worth considering.
It's not a core set thing, it is a timeline thing- 2012 came out after Scars block, so when they were making the decision to change and limit white's interaction with artifacts Scars block was already done.
then how green should fight flying? it should get flying creatures too?
There are other ways to do it. I mean, picture if a creature with reach wasn't just "creature with flying in green, minus the flying". Or we now have Prey Upon, who needs flying hate or flying?
Or just give green flying. Plenty of options, they choose the lamest one.
Regardless, power level (for the non-infect mechanics) is set by development. He later admitted that free spells was the one mechanic he designed that could not have been made a reasonable power level by development, but the others were all powered or de-powered by devlopment, and it was dev. that signed off on them being good for the set.
Infect is another story. He loves it, and a vocal minority of players very much do not. Their market research shows that it was very popular, and there was no domination or overpowering of a deck using it while it was in Standard. There will always be people that don't like it, but it was not a bad mechanic.
I understand that. (Except storm, and Maro himself admits storm is impossible to balance. That said, continuing New Phyrexia's griefing theme, we had twopseudo-storm wincons that didn't seem to warp anything.) The big problem with splice was splice onto arcane more than anything.
Though hearing Maro say he wanted to convey a feeling of impurity and violation with infect...LOL I actually liked infect, for Johnny (Priests of Norn and Doran, the Siege Tower, Vines of Vastwood and Livewire Lash) and Spike (so easily answered, mostly) reasons. And I know some Timmys out there liked it, the type who like torturing the aforementioned vocal minority.
Power level is one of the toughest things to get right. And development still pushes white and (now that Cavern of Souls has left Standard) blue like you wouldn't believe.
Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
No, not really. I'd say people like George R. R. Martin and J. R. R. Tolkien are both Green mages.
Look at what they did, they took history, tradition, and culture, and used that to create fictional worlds. Both of their works are actually deeply seeded in those things which are all green.
Green also has a lot of people who enjoy how to read, such as Reki, the History of Kamigawa who has the entire history tattooed on his body, he's a living book. Magus of the Library is also incredibly well read.
Well English is much more about lore and story telling, and I'd generally view a bard or storyteller as a Green character.
Theater on the other hand could go either way, it can be a very raw expression of emotion but it can also be more structured and about conveying a lesson than an expression. I'd say it could be in either camp, where Red gets the more energetic and performance based theater and Green gets the more story based theater.
Yea, it was a huge mistake and one he learned from. People should not be thought less of for their mistakes.
Actually, white has no longer has the same kind of artifact hate that it once did. Disenchant, for example, is no longer considered to be an acceptable part of white's purview.
I think that could be blue as well as green, but so far polymorph type abilities have targeted creatures, and MaRo is not all that enthusiastic about how they have been implemented either.
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Maybe bouncing your own lands? Because bouncing other people's lands is a bit of a no-no right now.
(Of course, bouncing your own lands is just a Winter Orb enabler. And green thinks that's adorable.)
It's not an important part. How can it be important if nobody ever plays it? I oppose it on parsimony grounds more than anything. (You know, that thing Maro keeps talking about?)
Strawman. I said Maro isn't a developer. He says he isn't a developer. You're the only one who thinks he's a developer.
You could Google it before you make those claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Near as I can tell, flying hate is why green doesn't get flying. But it's supposed to be green's solution to flying. If so, then they forget the other part of that bit of pseudoscience: It only works if only one card in every 10^50 hates flying. So you could say it's their dilutions of grandeur. (See? I can even make lamer puns than Maro.)
You're the one making extraordinary claims.
But it would suck if WOTC is worse at balance than every cube drafter ever.
Anyway, the OP was saying green should have q, which, unlike flying, actually is broken, as an evergreen thing, and I corrected him on that.
No, but people should be thought less of for thinking someone who admits development isn't his forte is some sort of development expert. That'd be like if you said I'm an expert on Moche pottery when I've never even taken an archaeology class.
I'd argue that in the last artifact set, it had the best artifact hate, but that's neither here nor there
More because they're always pushed. Like, instant speed for U. Which is...kinda sorta exactly the problem with Swords to Plowshares and friends. I shouldn't be in black/red and splashing another color to kill creatures.
On phasing:
The question regarding this came up in response to demystify being in Magic 2012, and that is when I started seeing MaRo answering these questions to the effect that white no longer gets as efficient artifact hate as green does (and as it once did).
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Well, he did invent a lot of mechanics. Some of those (splice) are more or less worthless in their current incarnation. Others (free spells, affinity, cascade, storm) are kinda insane. Still others (infect) aren't really all that powerful, but are very griefy.
I guess it's a Core Set thing. I mean, Revoke Existence is a perfect flavor win in Theros, where belief in the gods makes them real. And it fits a mechanical theme (indestructible enchantments). In Scars of Mirrodin, I just couldn't help but think "exile an artifact for 1W, destroy an artifact and gain life equal to CMC for 1W". I mean, I know it had Glissa's Scorn, but that was like, the only green artifact hate really worth considering.
That's interesting. Before Theros, the last Standard tier 1 deck that wasn't white that I can remember was Valakut. The last one that didn't use Primeval Titan was Jund. So I'd say right now white's on top.
(Again, white should not get efficient card draw, blue should not get efficient removal, etc. etc.)
You're funny. My point is that it doesn't belong in the game, not that it doesn't belong in green's color pie. For the same reason Break Open doesn't belong in the game. Because if nobody ever uses it, it might as well not be there.
But it is funny that Plummet is analogous to the quackery.
Oh, Halo Hunter is the black card in that cycle.
My favorite part is listening to people try to say "Arbor Colossus is better than Kalonian Hydra because you don't need to attack to pump it." Yeah, when I have six mana, I'm not hanging back and blocking unless I'm doing some sort of Blood Artist (or Disciple of the Vault) shenanigans. Or "Arashi, the Sky Asunder and Cloudthresher do so belong on a list of cards that are generally useful in EDH." No, they're the definition of narrow, and even Pyroclasm is too small an effect for EDH.
On phasing:
Infect is another story. He loves it, and a vocal minority of players very much do not. Their market research shows that it was very popular, and there was no domination or overpowering of a deck using it while it was in Standard. There will always be people that don't like it, but it was not a bad mechanic.
It's not a core set thing, it is a timeline thing- 2012 came out after Scars block, so when they were making the decision to change and limit white's interaction with artifacts Scars block was already done.
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There are other ways to do it. I mean, picture if a creature with reach wasn't just "creature with flying in green, minus the flying". Or we now have Prey Upon, who needs flying hate or flying?
Or just give green flying. Plenty of options, they choose the lamest one.
I understand that. (Except storm, and Maro himself admits storm is impossible to balance. That said, continuing New Phyrexia's griefing theme, we had two pseudo-storm wincons that didn't seem to warp anything.) The big problem with splice was splice onto arcane more than anything.
Though hearing Maro say he wanted to convey a feeling of impurity and violation with infect...LOL I actually liked infect, for Johnny (Priests of Norn and Doran, the Siege Tower, Vines of Vastwood and Livewire Lash) and Spike (so easily answered, mostly) reasons. And I know some Timmys out there liked it, the type who like torturing the aforementioned vocal minority.
Power level is one of the toughest things to get right. And development still pushes white and (now that Cavern of Souls has left Standard) blue like you wouldn't believe.
On phasing: