I have been playing since Dec of 12 and since this latest rotation I have found standard to be rather dull and really uninteresting. I see others touting how fantastic it is and I just don't see it.
Am I the only one? is this a common theme for some players?
I will give it a few more months and see how the next expansion set changes things, however I think I will just sell/trade for a modern deck.
You can play any color you want, there are several different decks you can play, control, midrange and aggro are viable. This is as good as Standard gets.
If you don't like it you need to pick another format.
I started playing in February of this year and latched onto Standard to learn the game. In the last couple months I've been trying Modern and I've started to Proxy some Legacy decks to play around with at home to see if I like it as well.
I'm at the point where I don't plan on sticking w/ Standard after this year. With a kid on the way, keeping up w/ Standard isn't really appealing.
I am already liking Legacy a bunch, and while the initital buy-in can be high, it doesn't rotate which will eventually be the cheaper option compared to having to change Standard decks year in and year out. Not to mention many of the Standard card pool loses most of its value upon rotation.
From what little I've seen from Legacy, I can't imagine it'd ever get boring. And Modern, too if your meta isn't just loaded w/ Jund.
Yeah, I would agree with the other posters. Maybe you're ready for a different format. Maybe try Modern or doing something completely different like drafting.
Everyone likes something different. Standard appeals to be because I like how the pool changes regularly. Maybe this will wear off on me eventually, who knows?
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Try modern. Lots of good standard cards are playable there (master of waves bringing merfolk back lately) and you can play a rogue deck strong enough to win. There are alot of possibilities that just don't get played there.
Play the format that you're having fun with at the moment, and sometimes half the fun is playing different formats and finding out what you enjoy right now. This is a pretty good standard, but if you're not liking it, there are plenty of other options. I took a break from limited during Zendikar due to not liking the fast, Nighthawk > all format, standard during Caw-Blade since I hated the mirror, and legacy more recently when merfolk became a worse choice. I tend to circle back around eventually, but there have been years I just didn't enjoy Magic as much as other games, so I stayed away from a while. There's not so much a good standard or bad, it's just whether or not you enjoy playing it. If not, try something else, take a break, or try to approach the game with a different mindset.
Standard might suck, but at least I don't have to shell out thousands of dollars on cards I want. It's a lot more affordable than legacy.
No, you just have to shell out hundreds of dollars each rotation to stay current. Instead of investing a few hundred dollars in a deck and being done with it.....
Standard might suck, but at least I don't have to shell out thousands of dollars on cards I want. It's a lot more affordable than legacy.
No way keeping up with Standard is cheaper than Legacy. There's a reason Wizards pushes Standard and its because it forces players to spend more money every 3 months to keep current. Legacy has a higher cost of entry no doubt but the cards keep their value and never go out of the format.
I find that people who enjoy deckbuilding (their own decks, not netdecks), enjoy standard, whereas people who aren't that creative with building decks, end up playing formats where they can just play whatever is "best" and not have to think about how to build a deck. There are already established archetypes that people just Xerox and they consider that playing magic. Call me old fashioned, but I still believe that developing your own deck is a legitimate part of magic that people no longer participate in, and that makes you a worse player all around.
I find that people who enjoy deckbuilding (their own decks, not netdecks), enjoy standard, whereas people who aren't that creative with building decks, end up playing formats where they can just play whatever is "best" and not have to think about how to build a deck. There are already established archetypes that people just Xerox and they consider that playing magic. Call me old fashioned, but I still believe that developing your own deck is a legitimate part of magic that people no longer participate in, and that makes you a worse player all around.
Each format allows for deckbuilding and each format has "net decks" that people can do, too.
People net deck all the time, in every format. And people build creative decks all the time, in every format.
Pro Tour introduced Mono Blue in Standard, and after, tons of people played Mono Blue in the next tournament. BBD wins a Grand Prix w/ Mono Black, then a ton of people play Mono Black in the next tournament. So maybe I am not seeing your point? Are we talking kitchen table Magic? I don't even think it matters...as I said before, each format has plenty of opportunity for players to be creative.
No, you just have to shell out hundreds of dollars each rotation to stay current. Instead of investing a few hundred dollars in a deck and being done with it.....
Thats only if you want to play a high dollar, hard core control deck each rotation.
And for legacy, if you want to play a t1 deck, try several thousand.
I started playing casual, then modern, and now Standard and modern (all in about 3 months lol). Modern is my favorite format I have played. Albeit there are a few 'good' decks in modern that everyone seems to run, you still have a large enough card base that you can start with a net deck and then make little changes to see what works for you.
I do like Standard as well, but the card base in Modern is what keeps drawing me back.
No, you just have to shell out hundreds of dollars each rotation to stay current. Instead of investing a few hundred dollars in a deck and being done with it.....
Well, that's the problem, isn't it? Don't play Standard competitively - don't buy expensive cards, work to a budget. You don't need a deckset of whatever is currently $30-40 to have fun. Yes, it'll win you games, but if all you want to do is win, there's far cheaper ways to achieve that than playing card games.
And if they want more people to play older formats, they might want to think about renaming them. Legacy? Are you kidding me? The format sounds like a 1970's soap opera. It sounds ancient and creaky and dull. Even Type 1.5 sounded more interesting than that, despite having a decimal point.
In any case, Legacy is just the same as Standard - there's one deck that beats everything else and that everyone plays, and since everyone plays it, all the cards are ridiculously expensive. Of course, the cards were ALREADY expensive, since Modern and Commander also want these same cards. I mean, seriously, you're telling me that Legacy, with decks full of Lion's Eye Diamonds and Divining Tops and dozens of other cards, is going to be cheaper to play than Standard? You're off your head, mate.
Well, that's the problem, isn't it? Don't play Standard competitively - don't buy expensive cards, work to a budget. You don't need a deckset of whatever is currently $30-40 to have fun. Yes, it'll win you games, but if all you want to do is win, there's far cheaper ways to achieve that than playing card games.
And if they want more people to play older formats, they might want to think about renaming them. Legacy? Are you kidding me? The format sounds like a 1970's soap opera. It sounds ancient and creaky and dull. Even Type 1.5 sounded more interesting than that, despite having a decimal point.
In any case, Legacy is just the same as Standard - there's one deck that beats everything else and that everyone plays, and since everyone plays it, all the cards are ridiculously expensive. Of course, the cards were ALREADY expensive, since Modern and Commander also want these same cards. I mean, seriously, you're telling me that Legacy, with decks full of Lion's Eye Diamonds and Divining Tops and dozens of other cards, is going to be cheaper to play than Standard? You're off your head, mate.
pretty sure legacy is a lot more diverse than standard. The closest deck to being dominant is show and tell, but even that has bad match-ups. Standard on the other hand has a history of horrifyingly dominant decks: Ravager Affinity, Faeries, Jund, Caw-Blade, Delver and Naya Blitz.
And in terms of price, 400 a year over 5 years is the same as a stable $2000 deck isn't it?
And in terms of price, 400 a year over 5 years is the same as a stable $2000 deck isn't it?
Not really. When you live from paychecks it's one thing to shell a 100-200$ every 4-6 months, another to save 2000$ and dump them on the table at one time.
As for standard, right now there are tons of viable decks you can play and even more you can innovate in.
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This is really an endless argument. If you play Legacy/Vintage you are prepared to drop a ton of money up front and play with a deck for a long time (usually). Modern is for people that want a large card pool to pick from at a wide range of prices. Standard is great if you like the rotating card pool and do not mind the ongoing investment (also in theory Standard could lead to modern play as your collection expands over the years).
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Standard is great if you like the rotating card pool and do not mind the ongoing investment (also in theory Standard could lead to modern play as your collection expands over the years).
Not to mention that when your cards rotate out you don't burn them. You can use them in eternal formats and EDH. The last couple of blocks provided a lot of Modern staples, for example. So a portion of this periodical investments goes to your future Modern, Legacy, EDH, etc. decks.
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Thats only if you want to play a high dollar, hard core control deck each rotation.
And for legacy, if you want to play a t1 deck, try several thousand.
Dredge would like a word with you. Dredge is a powerful legacy deck, so lets look at the prices of it.
(I'll be using the "High" end of prices on Tappedout.net) Dredge A
Price: $442.74
Now, I'll admit that's a pretty high price, but let's look at a popular standard deck, Mono U devotion. Dezani's Mono Blue
Price: $703.06
Well oh good golly gosh.
Another dredge deck, this one landless (My preferred one) Landless Dredge
Price: $272.35
That's a lot cheaper than a standard deck, which will be useless here in a year or two.
If you think that I'm being unfair by using Dezani's deck, lets look at a few normal user made decks. G/R Aggro
Price: $656.29
Still higher than either dredge deck U/W/R Deck
Price: $428.01
Just barely lower than the dredge with lands.
You can play legacy for cheaper than you can play standard, if you play certain decks, now of course you're going to say "But there are budget standard decks!" but remember, those will very rarely win any tournaments, but dredge can if played well, win entire tournaments.
So, even if you doubt dredge, here's a storm deck (Another powerful archetype of legacy) Storm
Price: $553.2
So, possibly over one standard, or at the most over two standards, you will have saved money by playing this deck.
Besides, even if we look at some more expensive legacy decks First Place Legacy
Price: $2.8k
Yeah, this is a very expensive deck, but it's only really 4 of Dezani's decks, which you will very easily spend over the course of a few standards.
STATISTICS.
All of these "Let's eliminate bad cards" crusades are simply ignorant. And when they start to devolve into "WotC is conspiring to give us crappy cards," they just become embarrassing. MATH is conspiring to give you crappy cards.
Dredge would like a word with you. Dredge is a powerful legacy deck, so lets look at the prices of it.
Your numbers would like a word with you. The Middle Price, which is way more realistic stands at half the value amounts you quoted. It can be further reduced by at least 50% or more by trading.
Additionally, you are comparing the cheapest Legacy decks with the most expensive Standard decks. The popularity of Dredge, in particular, has taken a big hit since the deck dies to Rest In Peace.
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Am I the only one? is this a common theme for some players?
I will give it a few more months and see how the next expansion set changes things, however I think I will just sell/trade for a modern deck.
If you don't like it you need to pick another format.
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I started playing in February of this year and latched onto Standard to learn the game. In the last couple months I've been trying Modern and I've started to Proxy some Legacy decks to play around with at home to see if I like it as well.
I'm at the point where I don't plan on sticking w/ Standard after this year. With a kid on the way, keeping up w/ Standard isn't really appealing.
I am already liking Legacy a bunch, and while the initital buy-in can be high, it doesn't rotate which will eventually be the cheaper option compared to having to change Standard decks year in and year out. Not to mention many of the Standard card pool loses most of its value upon rotation.
From what little I've seen from Legacy, I can't imagine it'd ever get boring. And Modern, too if your meta isn't just loaded w/ Jund.
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Standard might suck, but at least I don't have to shell out thousands of dollars on cards I want. It's a lot more affordable than legacy.
This.
Also, by the way standard always sucks, play legacy.
No, you just have to shell out hundreds of dollars each rotation to stay current. Instead of investing a few hundred dollars in a deck and being done with it.....
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No way keeping up with Standard is cheaper than Legacy. There's a reason Wizards pushes Standard and its because it forces players to spend more money every 3 months to keep current. Legacy has a higher cost of entry no doubt but the cards keep their value and never go out of the format.
Ahh, Mono U Wizards, standard will never be as good...
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I think I will move towards Modern for now and see how things go, maybe I just need some time away as well.
Each format allows for deckbuilding and each format has "net decks" that people can do, too.
People net deck all the time, in every format. And people build creative decks all the time, in every format.
Pro Tour introduced Mono Blue in Standard, and after, tons of people played Mono Blue in the next tournament. BBD wins a Grand Prix w/ Mono Black, then a ton of people play Mono Black in the next tournament. So maybe I am not seeing your point? Are we talking kitchen table Magic? I don't even think it matters...as I said before, each format has plenty of opportunity for players to be creative.
Thats only if you want to play a high dollar, hard core control deck each rotation.
And for legacy, if you want to play a t1 deck, try several thousand.
I do like Standard as well, but the card base in Modern is what keeps drawing me back.
Well, that's the problem, isn't it? Don't play Standard competitively - don't buy expensive cards, work to a budget. You don't need a deckset of whatever is currently $30-40 to have fun. Yes, it'll win you games, but if all you want to do is win, there's far cheaper ways to achieve that than playing card games.
And if they want more people to play older formats, they might want to think about renaming them. Legacy? Are you kidding me? The format sounds like a 1970's soap opera. It sounds ancient and creaky and dull. Even Type 1.5 sounded more interesting than that, despite having a decimal point.
In any case, Legacy is just the same as Standard - there's one deck that beats everything else and that everyone plays, and since everyone plays it, all the cards are ridiculously expensive. Of course, the cards were ALREADY expensive, since Modern and Commander also want these same cards. I mean, seriously, you're telling me that Legacy, with decks full of Lion's Eye Diamonds and Divining Tops and dozens of other cards, is going to be cheaper to play than Standard? You're off your head, mate.
pretty sure legacy is a lot more diverse than standard. The closest deck to being dominant is show and tell, but even that has bad match-ups. Standard on the other hand has a history of horrifyingly dominant decks: Ravager Affinity, Faeries, Jund, Caw-Blade, Delver and Naya Blitz.
And in terms of price, 400 a year over 5 years is the same as a stable $2000 deck isn't it?
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Not really. When you live from paychecks it's one thing to shell a 100-200$ every 4-6 months, another to save 2000$ and dump them on the table at one time.
As for standard, right now there are tons of viable decks you can play and even more you can innovate in.
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GBUWR - The Necrotic Teenager and its 1,000,000 Combos - GBUWR
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I will always firmly stand by the belief that Magic is a game first and a collectable second.
Not to mention that when your cards rotate out you don't burn them. You can use them in eternal formats and EDH. The last couple of blocks provided a lot of Modern staples, for example. So a portion of this periodical investments goes to your future Modern, Legacy, EDH, etc. decks.
WUBGR - Enchantment Realms - WUBGR
An all-enchantment EDH deck: 0 creatures, 0 artifacts, 0 instants and sorceries.
GBUWR - The Necrotic Teenager and its 1,000,000 Combos - GBUWR
A deck built around Necrotic Ooze and its many friends.
Dredge would like a word with you. Dredge is a powerful legacy deck, so lets look at the prices of it.
(I'll be using the "High" end of prices on Tappedout.net)
Dredge A
Price: $442.74
Now, I'll admit that's a pretty high price, but let's look at a popular standard deck, Mono U devotion.
Dezani's Mono Blue
Price: $703.06
Well oh good golly gosh.
Another dredge deck, this one landless (My preferred one)
Landless Dredge
Price: $272.35
That's a lot cheaper than a standard deck, which will be useless here in a year or two.
If you think that I'm being unfair by using Dezani's deck, lets look at a few normal user made decks.
G/R Aggro
Price: $656.29
Still higher than either dredge deck
U/W/R Deck
Price: $428.01
Just barely lower than the dredge with lands.
You can play legacy for cheaper than you can play standard, if you play certain decks, now of course you're going to say "But there are budget standard decks!" but remember, those will very rarely win any tournaments, but dredge can if played well, win entire tournaments.
So, even if you doubt dredge, here's a storm deck (Another powerful archetype of legacy)
Storm
Price: $553.2
So, possibly over one standard, or at the most over two standards, you will have saved money by playing this deck.
Besides, even if we look at some more expensive legacy decks
First Place Legacy
Price: $2.8k
Yeah, this is a very expensive deck, but it's only really 4 of Dezani's decks, which you will very easily spend over the course of a few standards.
It is, more cost effective to play legacy.
Your numbers would like a word with you. The Middle Price, which is way more realistic stands at half the value amounts you quoted. It can be further reduced by at least 50% or more by trading.
Additionally, you are comparing the cheapest Legacy decks with the most expensive Standard decks. The popularity of Dredge, in particular, has taken a big hit since the deck dies to Rest In Peace.
WUBGR - Enchantment Realms - WUBGR
An all-enchantment EDH deck: 0 creatures, 0 artifacts, 0 instants and sorceries.
GBUWR - The Necrotic Teenager and its 1,000,000 Combos - GBUWR
A deck built around Necrotic Ooze and its many friends.