They already print products for Standard, Block Constructed, Commander, Legacy, etc.
I know we just recent got Modern Masters, which seemed to be a success and may prove that there's value in printing products specifically with this format in mind.
Also, as an aside, I want to suggest we avoid discussions of price crushing or power level. I know things like the Event Decks and associated reprints are a sore spot for some, but WotC can surely do something less polaring with a Modern precon product. And the power levels could still be reasonably low without being unplayable. The Duel Deck model is one I would consider perfect for a Modern precon product, and those are all technicality Legacy products.
So, would you support a Modern precon deck product? Why or why not?
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They already print products for ... Block Constructed...
Like what? I've not once seen a Block Constructed precon product.
On actual topic, yes, I would support Modern precons. I am of the opinion that a non-rotating format like Type I or 1.5 or Modern (as opposed to Type II) ought to be WotC's flagship format. Ergo, including something like this could be a first step in that direction.
I'd definitely support it. Only problem would be retailers marking them up ridiculously to the point where it's practically cheaper to just buy singles.
Like what? I've not once seen a Block Constructed precon product.
I consider Intro packs/decks to be block constructed products. They rarely feature more than 1 or 2 Core Set cards and literally nothing from the outgoing block.
Unlike Event decks, which are focused on the current Standard as a whole, Intro packs focus on their named expansion to the exclusion of almost all other sets.
On actual topic, yes, I would support Modern precons. I am of the opinion that a non-rotating format like Type I or 1.5 or Modern (as opposed to Type II) ought to be WotC's flagship format. Ergo, including something like this could be a first step in that direction.
Despite some missed oppurtunities, WotC is actually doing a decent job of making Modern more relevant. I don't think they want to put more focus on it than Standard or Limited, but I can definitely see them putting more focus on it than Legacy and Extended (combined).
One key thing to remember, though, is that Wizards makes less and less money off of non-Limited and non-rotating formats. Modern is better for them than Legacy, Vintage, and EDH, but not nearly as good as booster draft.
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Like what? I've not once seen a Block Constructed precon product.
On actual topic, yes, I would support Modern precons. I am of the opinion that a non-rotating format like Type I or 1.5 or Modern (as opposed to Type II) ought to be WotC's flagship format. Ergo, including something like this could be a first step in that direction.
Precons always contained only block cards. Only when they became intro decks did they include cards outside the block
The only things I can think of that come close are a lot of the judge foils and I guess some of the EDH/archenemy cards that are obviously not meant for EDH, but infact legacy (Flusterstorm, Scavenging Ooze, Baleful Strix, Shardless Agent, etc.) Is there something else I am missing?
Also, modern precons would be cool, but only because like modern masters, they would probably be including a lot of legacy staples as well.
The only things I can think of that come close are a lot of the judge foils and I guess some of the EDH/archenemy cards that are obviously not meant for EDH, but infact legacy (Flusterstorm, Scavenging Ooze, Baleful Strix, Shardless Agent, etc.) Is there something else I am missing?
Also, modern precons would be cool, but only because like modern masters, they would probably be including a lot of legacy staples as well.
On MTGO they sell two legacy precons.
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Never played MTGO but I just looked up the decklists for those. Why don't they print legacy precons like that in real life!?!? Man, that would be sick!
Duel Decks, Planechase, Archenemy, etc. products feature cards that are only Legacy legal. Granted, they're not explicitly marked as being for Legacy, but this is technically the format they'd be played in.
Casual Legacy and Competitive Legacy can be like two different formats.
Anyway, back on point. New thought: If WotC made Modern precons, should they restrict themselves to expansions that aren't legal in Standard or Extended? This was how they approached MM, after all.
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Duel Decks, Planechase, Archenemy, etc. products feature cards that are only Legacy legal. Granted, they're not explicitly marked as being for Legacy, but this is technically the format they'd be played in.
Casual Legacy and Competitive Legacy can be like two different formats.
Those are really more casual MTG products that just happen to be legacy legal. Not "legacy products". But its true there are actually quiet a few legacy legal products like those. Also FTV tend to benefit legacy a decent amount.
Anyway, back on point. New thought: If WotC made Modern precons, should they restrict themselves to expansions that aren't legal in Standard or Extended? This was how they approached MM, after all.
Let's say they do this next summer before RTR rotates out. Should Shocks be excluded from the Precon since they're Standard legal? No since shocks are the conerstone dual lands for Modern.
I consider Intro packs/decks to be block constructed products. They rarely feature more than 1 or 2 Core Set cards and literally nothing from the outgoing block.
The Core Set filler component of Intro Packs varies widely. DGM had an average of 1.4 Core Set cards per deck (not counting basic lands). RTR had a disgustingly high 8. Also, Intro Packs are made bad on purpose so new players can learn how to tell bad cards from slightly-less-bad ones. I personally count them as "casual" precons alongside things like Duel Decks and Commander.
The only way I could see WotC making Modern precons is as part of a concerted effort to increase supply and drive down price of format staples (see: Thragtusk, which got reprinted 3 times in Event Decks). They've already shown their unwillingness to do the latter with Modern Masters.
Never played MTGO but I just looked up the decklists for those. Why don't they print legacy precons like that in real life!?!? Man, that would be sick!
They really should make more, they were really good ideas.
I wonder if they didnt sell well or if they got collector complaints or something (which is even dumber for a digital product than in real life).
But if they made a couple modern ones, that would be cool.
They really should make more, they were really good ideas.
I wonder if they didnt sell well or if they got collector complaints or something (which is even dumber for a digital product than in real life).
But if they made a couple modern ones, that would be cool.
The big issue on why not more is mana bases. Both of those decks are mono color. Shocks aren't the "core" lands of Modern, fetches are. If you watched the GP coverage today you would have seen people fetching basics right and left (to avoid that 2 points of damage mostly).
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I used to think Modern precons were inevitable, but now I believe the concept of Modern Masters is vastly superior and adequately fills the need for such a product.
I always thought a clever thing for them to do would be to make the PDS decks 100% Modern. That way you could buy the equivalent of a Modern event deck.
I'd love to see them do a yearly Modern Event Deck or other out-of-the-box Modern playable deck of some value.
Well, technically, all Standard precons are also Modern precons
The Stoneforge Mystic event deck being an exception.
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Many modern decks can be built for a pretty low price if you ignore the fetch/shock mana base, and as long as you stick to 1-2 color decks you don't NEED that stuff... M10 duals, fastlands, or pain lands are sufficient.
I think it is definitely possible to make several playable (at least Tier 2) modern precon decks that could be sold at a price target of $50, that could be upgradable over time with things like fetches/shocks, and additional copies of the "money" ($3-10) cards. They should include the full 4 of common/uncommon staples, though.
It's a great way to generate interest in modern, and it's a way that Wizards can make money off the format.
They couldn't print Modern precons for the same reason they made Modern Masters a limited print-run: they don't want to "crash" prices (which prices went up on practically everything in that set), and there'd be a fuss over what went into a MSRP $20 deck and what didn't.
In the same way you can tell someone is from the XVIII century because he is arroused by ankles, you can tell someone is from USA because he feels nipples disturbing.
I would not trust them not to be filled with garbage, like most pre-cons. They did a good job with Commander, and occasionally make a game-day deck that is worth buying, but most are just garbage.
I know we just recent got Modern Masters, which seemed to be a success and may prove that there's value in printing products specifically with this format in mind.
Also, as an aside, I want to suggest we avoid discussions of price crushing or power level. I know things like the Event Decks and associated reprints are a sore spot for some, but WotC can surely do something less polaring with a Modern precon product. And the power levels could still be reasonably low without being unplayable. The Duel Deck model is one I would consider perfect for a Modern precon product, and those are all technicality Legacy products.
So, would you support a Modern precon deck product? Why or why not?
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Like what? I've not once seen a Block Constructed precon product.
On actual topic, yes, I would support Modern precons. I am of the opinion that a non-rotating format like Type I or 1.5 or Modern (as opposed to Type II) ought to be WotC's flagship format. Ergo, including something like this could be a first step in that direction.
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I consider Intro packs/decks to be block constructed products. They rarely feature more than 1 or 2 Core Set cards and literally nothing from the outgoing block.
Unlike Event decks, which are focused on the current Standard as a whole, Intro packs focus on their named expansion to the exclusion of almost all other sets.
Despite some missed oppurtunities, WotC is actually doing a decent job of making Modern more relevant. I don't think they want to put more focus on it than Standard or Limited, but I can definitely see them putting more focus on it than Legacy and Extended (combined).
One key thing to remember, though, is that Wizards makes less and less money off of non-Limited and non-rotating formats. Modern is better for them than Legacy, Vintage, and EDH, but not nearly as good as booster draft.
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Precons always contained only block cards. Only when they became intro decks did they include cards outside the block
The only things I can think of that come close are a lot of the judge foils and I guess some of the EDH/archenemy cards that are obviously not meant for EDH, but infact legacy (Flusterstorm, Scavenging Ooze, Baleful Strix, Shardless Agent, etc.) Is there something else I am missing?
Also, modern precons would be cool, but only because like modern masters, they would probably be including a lot of legacy staples as well.
On MTGO they sell two legacy precons.
Never played MTGO but I just looked up the decklists for those. Why don't they print legacy precons like that in real life!?!? Man, that would be sick!
Casual Legacy and Competitive Legacy can be like two different formats.
Anyway, back on point. New thought: If WotC made Modern precons, should they restrict themselves to expansions that aren't legal in Standard or Extended? This was how they approached MM, after all.
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Those are really more casual MTG products that just happen to be legacy legal. Not "legacy products". But its true there are actually quiet a few legacy legal products like those. Also FTV tend to benefit legacy a decent amount.
I couldn't find wotc official statement on them, but in the images you can see the decklists here: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=281630
Let's say they do this next summer before RTR rotates out. Should Shocks be excluded from the Precon since they're Standard legal? No since shocks are the conerstone dual lands for Modern.
So my vote is no
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The Core Set filler component of Intro Packs varies widely. DGM had an average of 1.4 Core Set cards per deck (not counting basic lands). RTR had a disgustingly high 8. Also, Intro Packs are made bad on purpose so new players can learn how to tell bad cards from slightly-less-bad ones. I personally count them as "casual" precons alongside things like Duel Decks and Commander.
The only way I could see WotC making Modern precons is as part of a concerted effort to increase supply and drive down price of format staples (see: Thragtusk, which got reprinted 3 times in Event Decks). They've already shown their unwillingness to do the latter with Modern Masters.
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They really should make more, they were really good ideas.
I wonder if they didnt sell well or if they got collector complaints or something (which is even dumber for a digital product than in real life).
But if they made a couple modern ones, that would be cool.
The big issue on why not more is mana bases. Both of those decks are mono color. Shocks aren't the "core" lands of Modern, fetches are. If you watched the GP coverage today you would have seen people fetching basics right and left (to avoid that 2 points of damage mostly).
I'd love to see them do a yearly Modern Event Deck or other out-of-the-box Modern playable deck of some value.
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Many modern decks can be built for a pretty low price if you ignore the fetch/shock mana base, and as long as you stick to 1-2 color decks you don't NEED that stuff... M10 duals, fastlands, or pain lands are sufficient.
I think it is definitely possible to make several playable (at least Tier 2) modern precon decks that could be sold at a price target of $50, that could be upgradable over time with things like fetches/shocks, and additional copies of the "money" ($3-10) cards. They should include the full 4 of common/uncommon staples, though.
It's a great way to generate interest in modern, and it's a way that Wizards can make money off the format.
Those were legacy precons. Ones which I somehow totally forgot about and were awesome besides being really gross looking foils.
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