Modern Masters at Walmart?

  • #1
    Like I imagine many of you will be doing, I will be driving around on the 7th to see if I can find Modern Masters boosters at MSRP. Does anyone know if I should bother going to non-brick and mortar stores like Walmart? Should I be limiting my search to just places that have FNMs?

    What are the requirements for a store to get a shipment of MM in? Does anyone know?
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  • #2
    Wizards has stated that Modern Masters will only be sold at hobby retailers. Not at big box stores like Walmart.
  • #3
    Quote from Ikumo
    Wizards has stated that Modern Masters will only be sold at hobby retailers. Not at big box stores like Walmart.


    Do the hobby retailers need to have been holding FNMs to get them? What tier store gets them?
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  • #4
    screw the mart'
  • #5
    Quote from RedMono
    screw the mart'


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    I don't think walmart will be getting them but have fun.

    On a side note I believe MM has finally got me to the point that I almost hate what magic is now. It up until the last year didn't feel this bad in relation to the money grab aspect of the consumer. Mythic and some other stuff started it but now.... I mean it's just awful. So sad what magic has become.... Sorry about rant.
  • #6
    I live in a city where there are three stores that will get Modern Master's. Two are selling it for retail because they value their customers and one is selling it for $250/box and $10.99/pack.

    One of the two honorable stores got their allotment of 18 and have already sold out (so I can't get one from them). The other is mainly a sports card store and I have one of the 3 boxes they're getting reserved.

    Guess which stores get my business?

    After seeing the spoilers it actually isn't that impressive. Some good cards, but an awful lot of jank. Vivid lands. In high demand. Definitely wouldn't pay $250/box for it.
  • #7
    ... you didnt like it? They reprinted every single money uncommon and a good deal of the high dollar rares along with Goyf Bob and Clique... What more did you expect?
  • #8
    Quote from Megadeus
    ... you didnt like it? They reprinted every single money uncommon and a good deal of the high dollar rares along with Goyf Bob and Clique... What more did you expect?
    Actually it looks like they are missing a couple money uncommons.
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  • #9
    Like Remand hasnt been spoiled yet... But you can only print so much. Otherwise a box of this would be 400 freaking dollars. Each booster cant be chock full of all of the value...
  • #10
    Quote from Megadeus
    Like Remand hasnt been spoiled yet... But you can only print so much. Otherwise a box of this would be 400 freaking dollars. Each booster cant be chock full of all of the value...


    A set can be chock full of value. WotC is just stupid, as reprinting 10 dollar uncommons is VERY necessary. If remand isn't in, that's just great/not. Also, boxes wouldn't be 400 dollars if WotC properly distributed the set based on how much demand there was/anyone could buy a box at MSRP at any time. Limited print runs are disgusting. Also, the big joke of the set? 5 of the mythics are jank that aren't worth a pack outside of kokusho and that might change. Verdeloth the ancient is in (when has Verdeloth ever been constructed playable?) as well as some other jank rares and such while cards like thoughtseize aren't in there that actually NEED reprints due to being worth way too much money.
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    I don't think walmart will be getting them but have fun.

    On a side note I believe MM has finally got me to the point that I almost hate what magic is now. It up until the last year didn't feel this bad in relation to the money grab aspect of the consumer. Mythic and some other stuff started it but now.... I mean it's just awful. So sad what magic has become.... Sorry about rant.


    On a side note about wally world, mine occasionally gets booster boxes. I believe they have 2 dragons maze at the moment next to thier fat packs. Albeit, im not going to pay 143.99 for it. they still have them.....
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  • #12
    Quote from Taylor
    Do the hobby retailers need to have been holding FNMs to get them?


    Yes, that's exactly the case.
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  • #13
    Quote from Matt
    Yes, that's exactly the case.


    No, that's not the case. The store I'm getting my box doesn't hold any events.
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    A set can be chock full of value. WotC is just stupid, as reprinting 10 dollar uncommons is VERY necessary. If remand isn't in, that's just great/not. Also, boxes wouldn't be 400 dollars if WotC properly distributed the set based on how much demand there was/anyone could buy a box at MSRP at any time. Limited print runs are disgusting. Also, the big joke of the set? 5 of the mythics are jank that aren't worth a pack outside of kokusho and that might change. Verdeloth the ancient is in (when has Verdeloth ever been constructed playable?) as well as some other jank rares and such while cards like thoughtseize aren't in there that actually NEED reprints due to being worth way too much money.


    Right, and tank all card values. I do agree with it being stupid to include the kami dragons,and not controlling box/pack prices and not including Thoughtseize, I do not agree with completely destroying my card values. Lowering them a little but is fine, but dropping Goyf from $100+ to $10 and $50 Bob to $5 Bob is ridiculous. Even halving them would hurt.

    Limited print run is fine with me, what they need to do is enforce sealed prices or stop telling us MSRP so people stop bitching about mark up. This is a business beyond your playing AND COLLECTING needs. Remember, it's a COLLECTIBLE card game.
  • #15
    Quote from Krimson Viper
    Right, and tank all card values. I do agree with it being stupid to include the kami dragons,and not controlling box/pack prices and not including Thoughtseize, I do not agree with completely destroying my card values. Lowering them a little but is fine, but dropping Goyf from $100+ to $10 and $50 Bob to $5 Bob is ridiculous. Even halving them would hurt.


    i disagree with this sentiment. there is a ceiling for how expensive a card should generally be when it's in a highly played, "pushed" format like modern or standard (which has new cards being currently printed for it i.e. modern masters)... the ceiling is about £20 per card (so roughly £80 for a playset). this is a lot of money, but not "unattainable" and generally speaking over the last ten years or so, nearly all cards have fallen at or below this ceiling.

    outliers - single cards that massively break this unwritten rule on pricing, are bad for the game. no more, no less. they encourage "investment collector" mentality, hoarding, price gouging and preventing people from being able to "buy in" to a given format.


    cards like tarmogoyf are huge outliers, and upset the balance of the game. cards such as these should be printed so they tank down to half or less of their current value. it's just silly and inconsiderate to believe otherwise, regardless of how much you want your precious investment to hold monetary value. it's a game, not a hedge fund. treat it as such and stop being so precious.
  • #16
    Quote from Krimson Viper
    I do agree with it being stupid to include the kami dragons


    The Kami dragons serve an excellent purpose. Not every card can be great, guys. These mythics are great in limited and great for the casual part of the audience; we've got more than enough value in the set.

    I'm pumped for Modern Masters not because I'm buying any, but because card values will go down enough for me to get some cards I need, and because I will now be able to get cheap foils of half my cube.

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    i disagree with this sentiment. there is a ceiling for how expensive a card should generally be when it's in a highly played, "pushed" format like modern or standard (which has new cards being currently printed for it i.e. modern masters)... the ceiling is about £20 per card (so roughly £80 for a playset). this is a lot of money, but not "unattainable" and generally speaking over the last ten years or so, nearly all cards have fallen at or below this ceiling.

    outliers - single cards that massively break this unwritten rule on pricing, are bad for the game. no more, no less. they encourage "investment collector" mentality, hoarding, price gouging and preventing people from being able to "buy in" to a given format.


    cards like tarmogoyf are huge outliers, and upset the balance of the game. cards such as these should be printed so they tank down to half or less of their current value. it's just silly and inconsiderate to believe otherwise, regardless of how much you want your precious investment to hold monetary value. it's a game, not a hedge fund. treat it as such and stop being so precious.


    I completely agree with this. Even within my casual playgroup I am seeing this behavior. It ruins the game for others who may not be able to afford those cards. How can you compete with a top teir deck when you cant afford to get one yourself

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    The Kami dragons serve an excellent purpose. Not every card can be great, guys. These mythics are great in limited and great for the casual part of the audience; we've got more than enough value in the set.

    I'm pumped for Modern Masters not because I'm buying any, but because card values will go down enough for me to get some cards I need, and because I will now be able to get cheap foils of half my cube.


    You are right regarding the casual and limited part of it. I dont believe that they should have desigbed the set for draft. If they wanted to give us good reprints, just give us them in packs. Dont design the set and put limited bombs in, just give us what we want
  • #18
    Quote from BillyGoatGruff
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    I don't think walmart will be getting them but have fun.

    On a side note I believe MM has finally got me to the point that I almost hate what magic is now. It up until the last year didn't feel this bad in relation to the money grab aspect of the consumer. Mythic and some other stuff started it but now.... I mean it's just awful. So sad what magic has become.... Sorry about rant.


    There are significantly more players who join to replace one that quits--you aren't changing anything (or invoking sympathy/pity/reasonable discussion) over saying you "hate what Magic has become now". Too many people have said this, and continued to play, to the point where statements like yours mean nothing. It's a limited print run--you don't like it then don't bother with it. I don't bother with the "M" sets, but that doesn't mean I'm going to boycott a billion-dollar business. It's equivalent to those MTGS subscribers that proclaim "I'm against the Mythic rarity. Put this in your sig if you agree!" Shock of all shocks, there's 28 people who do it...look out, we have a New York Draft Riot scenario on our hands! Just move on. Theros looks promising--wait until then and see what it's like.

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    A set can be chock full of value. WotC is just stupid, as reprinting 10 dollar uncommons is VERY necessary. If remand isn't in, that's just great/not. Also, boxes wouldn't be 400 dollars if WotC properly distributed the set based on how much demand there was/anyone could buy a box at MSRP at any time. Limited print runs are disgusting. Also, the big joke of the set? 5 of the mythics are jank that aren't worth a pack outside of kokusho and that might change. Verdeloth the ancient is in (when has Verdeloth ever been constructed playable?) as well as some other jank rares and such while cards like thoughtseize aren't in there that actually NEED reprints due to being worth way too much money.


    Wow I'm tired of listening to people complain about the mythic cycle. You know what's cool about the Kami dragons at mythic? They're limited bombs (this is a set designed for draft, after all), but since they're mythic, you will likely not open more than one. Now if they printed them at rare it would suck a lot more, as there are 8 rares for every mythic in a box. Dragons at mythic means you are less likely to open one of those and instead get a Cryptic, Aether Vial, Gifts, Archmage, Pact, Blood Moon (the ONLY black bordered, modern frame, non-foil version), Pulse, Ravager, Ruins, etc... Many of which could have been Mythic instead.

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  • #20
    Quote from pathetic
    On a side note about wally world, mine occasionally gets booster boxes. I believe they have 2 dragons maze at the moment next to thier fat packs. Albeit, im not going to pay 143.99 for it. they still have them.....


    Side-note on that... Walmart price-matches on any local competition, and sometimes their own website (if the price is marked lower than at the store). So they'll actually sell it for whatever the lowest around is.:nod:


    That aside, I'm a little more than tired of the "limited print run" packs. I'm aware that it would make a lot of people who use the game as an investment extremely angry, but it is first and foremost a game. If you don't supply enough of what people want, it won't sustain itself forever. Slant
  • #21
    Quote from GKfodder
    Side-note on that... Walmart price-matches on any local competition, and sometimes their own website (if the price is marked lower than at the store). So they'll actually sell it for whatever the lowest around is.:nod:


    That aside, I'm a little more than tired of the "limited print run" packs. I'm aware that it would make a lot of people who use the game as an investment extremely angry, but it is first and foremost a game. If you don't supply enough of what people want, it won't sustain itself forever. Slant


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  • #22
    The bad thing is that WotC blatantly lies to their customer base and they just don't care (both WotC and their players). Lately they've sold us such wonderful gems as:

    (1) They made it a short-print run to see how well it takes with their customers. Already they're talking a second print-run because they didn't expect demand to be as high as it is. Which segues into this:

    (2) They designed the set to be drafted. By short-printing it as an experiment of course. Since when you design a set "to be drafted" it makes sense to do a short-print run on it so nobody can actually get it. I'm willing to bet that 95%+ of Modern Masters packs never see draft. You know why? They'll go straight into players Modern decks and fill out their play-sets. People will buy singles...maybe a box or two. Even though serious players always talk about the negative EV of buying boxes they still do it anyway. At $250/box on average for this set.

    (3) Don't actually talk about how the mythic dragon cycle is in the set because they're bombs in limited and it was meant to be drafted. That's absurd thinking. They're jank cards to fill out the mythic slots so that you can pull them instead of mythics you might need like Tarmagoyf, Vendilion Clique, or Dark Confidant in your box that you buy for $250. Which is supposedly the reason they printed the set in the first place - to alleviate the problems with price spikes and card shortages in Modern.

    WotC has extremely stupid customers in regards to Magic. They weren't the first company to figure out how to consistently abuse their customer base and not have them give a flying...that honor belongs to Games Workshop. Who practices the exact same tactics for selling by making new editions for Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40,000 and than making some of your models obsolete or worse so you have to buy new ones. Rinse and Repeat.

    The funniest lie sold by both companies is how they're still somehow always making record sales and bringing in a record number of new customers even though they constantly offer less than premium services and products to them.

    By size in the gaming industry it's currently:

    Number one - Wizards of the Coast.
    Number two - Games Workshop.
    Number three - Fantasy Flight Games.

    Fantasy Flight Games is consistently better than both of them at the moment. They offer better products and they actually make sure that you can get the products you need for the same prices as everybody else.

    The first two consistently don't. Which means that there are always customers who get spit on because they haven't been a customer long enough. Or didn't get in early enough. Or weren't fortunate enough to be born when the game came out. Or don't have the same bankroll as other people and can't afford 150% MSRP when it's artificially forced for no intelligent reason. It's a business and their goal is to make money. Of course it is. Somehow they treat their customers like crap and still manage to pull it off successfully. Congrats to both of them. Let's take a look at these three companies again in ten years. Pretty sure that Fantasy Flight will be bigger than both of them.

    Do you honestly think that meeting demand for a product and supplying it to as many customers that want it is somehow worse business than short-printing limited product and somehow makes them less happy? Or makes a company less money? The happier your customers are that they can get what they want (at a reasonable price) the more they trust you to do right by them. The more you do cute, neat things, and go "Screw you! Can't get it! It's all special-like!" the more they despise you for it.

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  • #23
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    But that's just me.

    Pretty much.

    I know almost all the MM in my area is being used in events and won't be incredibly hard to get into sans budget concerns
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    But that's just me.


    It certainly is.

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  • #25
    Interesting. Because I have two game stores in my city that are selling over forty boxes and are doing drafts with less than four of them. One is getting eighteen boxes and one of the employees is doing a draft with exactly one of them. The other seventeen are already on order.

    The other store is selling them for $250/box and is sold out already. They're planning on doing one, maybe two drafts.
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