I've never come across any player that was for the reserve list. It seems to be mostly the investors who want it and they are not important for the game. Actually not only are they unimportant they are detrimental, driving up prices, doing buyouts and hoarding cards.
WOTC just needs to smarten up and get rid of it already.
- I remember Mark Rosewater and Wizards all admitting the Reserve List was a mistake. To be honest, I think very few people believe the reserve list is not a mistake.
there's something that always confuses me about reserved list conversations.
There have been masterpiece cards that are worth well over $300. If wizards were to put a desired card of that value range (like plateau) in a masterpiece series, there is a good chance that it would be worth as much as existing copies...
... which would seem to mean that the original price would not decrease and there would be no financial damages to collectors...
...which means no lawsuits for promissory estoppel.
Is it the common belief that the value of cards would come Crashing down the moment that a reprint becomes feasibly possible? If so, the original premium loophole seems pretty safe as no single judge promo or from the vault product would have too big of an impact on collectors.
If wizards added an additional restriction of one reprint per product (no full set of duals in a masterpiece series), Set a new "common sense" list (ex: nothing worth over $1000), and let players know what card is next slated for reprint, I have a hard time imagining where the claims of damage would be coming from (unless Wizards fumbles in a big way)
A Beta Mox Sapphire is $6000. I want one really bad, as a capstone 'collection' piece. You put one of those, and other Dual/Mox/P9 level cards into a set as Masterpieces? It sells a bajillion boxes.
No way does the value remain high on those cards at that point.
So like most of your hot takes, you have no source. That's fine.
Yes, they find ways to print different lightning bolts. Yes they find different ways to discard. Heck we had this disagreement regarding Spyglass, and why you couldn't just get a pithing needle reprint.
Perhaps you need to rethink your understanding of the design and development philosophy they employ?
I say again, this 'format' you propose would be a joke of nothing but cards like opt. No powerful card is ever getting a standard reprint. Format defining cards are mistakes and pushed.
What it's like to be ignorant of when people dared to propose a new format back before modern when we just had extended and legacy.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Everyone needs to realize that the RL is here to stay. Thinking otherwise and arguing for otherwise is a waste of everyone's time when:
The way forward is to make a better future
We can make WoTC give us a better future if we focus together on tasks that actually make a difference. *****ing about the RL makes no difference.
Want to make a difference? Then start arguing for the following:
The most direct means of getting more RL cards into people's hands, that are already as good as the originals is to unban the World Championship & Collector's edition cards from tournament play. That is literally the best we can do on the front of getting more RL cards to people.
Next up is that we need to insist that WoTC uses format-bypassing cards in more of their products. Standard is the enemy of all other formats besides standard and we need to get WoTC to realize it and start bypassing it. All of our eternal formats will benefit.
Let's get unified behind something realistic people.
Propose a new format all you like, you loved that Frontier ride while it lasted.
Suggesting you kill Modern because you dont get the reprints you like is...not 'suggesting a new format'. Goal post shift #81.
You always get heated and defensive with this. As a business I think it makes financial sense to alleviate the stress being caused by the RL and provide a tiered format system that provides players of different ages with differing entry points to enjoy the hobby. Right now their is too big a gap between standard and modern financially at a competitive level, and legacy is miles high because of the RL.
So basically, the idea is make a non-RL eternal format, make modern a non-rotating standard print only card format that is monitored to keep prices balanced, and then keep standard as the entry format people get into after the planeswalker deck and toolkit ramp up.
Why not do this now? Well, the company went through a financial down turn due to the waning health of the TCG market. They had to revise their releases and print runs to deal with quality control issues and bad market practices from some online stores. Additionally, I feel they are paying for bad hiring practices and hired too many fans of the game. You want talent that thinks outside the box and has more experiences to draw from. Hiring fans creates inbreeding of ideas. See brick counters and try not to compare that to mirrodin energy counters.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
This isnt heated. This is simply you making the same style of posts as you have for years.
1. Make a claim with no source possible, but frame it as fact.
2. Get challenged on that claim.
3. Move the goal posts or claim that your point was misunderstood.
You do this, all the time.
As a business, it makes sense to diversify your product line. Masters sets fueled by a select few reprints that are CLEARLY needed. It makes no sense to ruin your best format, permanetly, for the sake of letting you create less card designs.
Legacy is gone in terms of price. Its that simple.
Modern, is quite high, but no, its not outside the reach of players, if approached over time.
so crazy thought that i'm sure others have done already but has anyone thought about talking to WotC parent company Hasbro with a very well written and researched letter on the issue of the RL?
There was actually a video done by a channel that does discussions on legal matters. I'll try finding a link to it after work
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
This isnt heated. This is simply you making the same style of posts as you have for years.
1. Make a claim with no source possible, but frame it as fact.
2. Get challenged on that claim.
3. Move the goal posts or claim that your point was misunderstood.
You do this, all the time.
As a business, it makes sense to diversify your product line. Masters sets fueled by a select few reprints that are CLEARLY needed. It makes no sense to ruin your best format, permanetly, for the sake of letting you create less card designs.
Legacy is gone in terms of price. Its that simple.
Modern, is quite high, but no, its not outside the reach of players, if approached over time.
$400 is not unattainable to play Modern.
Ah okay. Anything else while we are at this juncture? I read multiple articles, talk and deal with mtg finance, and am hooked in to several YouTube channels who have content creators going from big time like the professor to small time like purp. I don't have the inclination nor the motivation to sift through what records I pulled every notion and opinion from for the sake of some kind of personal catharsis, let alone you. I'm sharing my thoughts on the matter of the reserved list. I'm not writing a PhD doctorates research paper on a forum.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
A Beta Mox Sapphire is $6000. I want one really bad, as a capstone 'collection' piece. You put one of those, and other Dual/Mox/P9 level cards into a set as Masterpieces? It sells a bajillion boxes.
No way does the value remain high on those cards at that point.
I'm not talking about moxen, though. I'm not talking about any of the power nine. I'm not even talking about killers like moat or tabernacle.
I'm talking about reprinting <$300 cards in a manner (masterpieces) that has included $300+ cards in the past.
Going against what many people may wish, I think that the reserved list and promissory estoppel effectively stop the reprinting of super expensive cards forever. With that said, wizards is not obligated to EVER reprint an old mox even if the reserved list is broken.
I'm simply indicating that there exist ways to break the reserved list and reprint the less expensive reserved cards (such as palinchron) without tanking the value of that card (thereby avoiding lawsuits). Is there something seriously wrong in my line of thinking?
A Beta Mox Sapphire is $6000. I want one really bad, as a capstone 'collection' piece. You put one of those, and other Dual/Mox/P9 level cards into a set as Masterpieces? It sells a bajillion boxes.
No way does the value remain high on those cards at that point.
I'm not talking about moxen, though. I'm not talking about any of the power nine. I'm not even talking about killers like moat or tabernacle.
I'm talking about reprinting <$300 cards in a manner (masterpieces) that has included $300+ cards in the past.
Going against what many people may wish, I think that the reserved list and promissory estoppel effectively stop the reprinting of super expensive cards forever. With that said, wizards is not obligated to EVER reprint an old mox even if the reserved list is broken.
I'm simply indicating that there exist ways to break the reserved list and reprint the less expensive reserved cards (such as palinchron) without tanking the value of that card (thereby avoiding lawsuits). Is there something seriously wrong in my line of thinking?
No, I think that makes sense for sure. I had to google this promissory estoppel concept, but yeah. To me, Masterpieces would be a fine way to go about it. They all have remained very collectible.
I do feel the Masters sets need another review though. We need the 2015 Version, not Iconic, or M25.
so crazy thought that i'm sure others have done already but has anyone thought about talking to WotC parent company Hasbro with a very well written and researched letter on the issue of the RL?
There was actually a video done by a channel that does discussions on legal matters. I'll try finding a link to it after work
oh, spiffy
EDIT: I'm a sucker for writing companies and sharing my thoughts, in fact during High school I wrote Philip Morris both snail and an e-mail and got contradictory answers lol, also sent the game company Pandemic a letter soon after Mercenaries Two World in Flames came out and got an answer with some promises that they fulfilled.
so crazy thought that i'm sure others have done already but has anyone thought about talking to WotC parent company Hasbro with a very well written and researched letter on the issue of the RL?
There was actually a video done by a channel that does discussions on legal matters. I'll try finding a link to it after work
oh, spiffy
EDIT: I'm a sucker for writing companies and sharing my thoughts, in fact during High school I wrote Philip Morris both snail and an e-mail and got contradictory answers lol, also sent the game company Pandemic a letter soon after Mercenaries Two World in Flames came out and got an answer with some promises that they fulfilled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HR7ABQIUbc. I thought it was pretty interesting to listen to myself and I'll probably watch it again since we're all talking about the RL once more.
Ultimately, I don't think WoTC is motivated enough to want to do anything with the RL. Not necessarily because they don't feel they can make money from it, but the fact that they rebuilt the game around the reserved list being there for so long. I don't think many people realize why cards had such a huge birth of cost back in the earlier days of magic. Kudzu would never see a reprint in todays magic because of being aggressively costed, off color land destruction. Moxen are outright broken in today's environment because of the change to creature and spell power on curve. Invoke Prejudice wouldn't get reprinted with that art ever again, and even the card name itself is too edgy for WoTCs tastes today. They are never going to allow Ante cards again like Demonic Attorney or Contract from Below. And finally, there are cards like Thran Tome that were designed in a time where Sol Ring and Dark Ritual were common, along with other kinds of ramp. Those cards are just completely unplayable in today's environment.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I'm OK with the reserve list staying the way it is. It will sound selfish, but I actually like having access to cards that most people don't. I am definitely not interested in seeing any more Nether Void, Land Equilibrium, or Mishra's Workshopin my EDH games, especially if I am not the one playing them.
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G Azusa, Lost but Seeking G UG Tishana, Voice of Thunder GU UBW Sen Triplets WBU WUBGAtraxa, Praetors' Voice GBUW WUBRGJodah, Archmage Eternal GRBUW GWR Mayael the Anima RWG RWB Edgar Markov BWR WG Gaddok Teeg GW W Oketra the True W
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I'm OK with the reserve list staying the way it is. It will sound selfish, but I actually like having access to cards that most people don't. I am definitely not interested in seeing any more Nether Void, Land Equilibrium, or Mishra's Workshopin my EDH games, especially if I am not the one playing them.
There are a lot of cards people kind of hate playing against in general because resource denial is pretty rough. Ultimately, it comes down to the fact that people want to play their creations against one another. If a deck builds itself around removing the opponents ability to play the game, than that creates traction and eventually leads to people quitting. This exact kind of thing happened in Force of Will with the last meta. They pumped counter magic to 11 and created what basically would be a commander that lets you start with 5 extra cards. And those 5 extra cards also boost creatures on the field like enchantments when they get played. They also counter every strategy in the format in some way.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Maybe Wizards will say something about the RL when Magic turns 30?
Idiot's Dual
Land - Plains Swamp
When ~ enters the battlefield, you gain 2 life.
When ~ leaves the battlefield, you lose 2 life.
That or swap the order or life gain and loss.
How often do lands exit the battlefield? Not super often. So now you are gaining to life off a fetchable dual land that does not come into play tapped. That's crazy good.
There's no way to designed not-functional-but-effectively-is reprint for a dual land that does not simply mean those with the old dual lands are not effectively doubling the number of dual lands they have in their decks.
Any dual land that can be fetched by fetch lands untapped has to have some drawback like the shocklands.. or they will be much better than the originaL duals...
Is WoTC not allowed to make better dual lands by the Reserved list?
Any dual land that can be fetched by fetch lands untapped has to have some drawback like the shocklands.. or they will be much better than the originaL duals...
Is WoTC not allowed to make better dual lands by the Reserved list?
No that's the thing. Wizards is allowed to make cards better than what's on the reserve list.
It would crush the price of reserve list cards. And it wouldn't violate the reserve list at all.
I'm going to ask you all a question, and whatever you guys say I'll go with.
So I have some money I was going to put into stock, like 7-8k. But I love some of the old mtg cards.
There's no way I'm going to dump 7-8k into modern staples. I want to put them into reserve list cards.
Am I part of the problem? I mean, would the rest of you not want me to do that?
If I didn't put the money into cards, I would put them into a diversified stock fund.
To be clear. If you guys don't like this, that's 7-8k of money that will never enter the mtg market.
Is it better for the money just not to enter the market?
I'm going to ask you all a question, and whatever you guys say I'll go with.
So I have some money I was going to put into stock, like 7-8k. But I love some of the old mtg cards.
There's no way I'm going to dump 7-8k into modern staples. I want to put them into reserve list cards.
Am I part of the problem? I mean, would the rest of you not want me to do that?
If I didn't put the money into cards, I would put them into a diversified stock fund.
To be clear. If you guys don't like this, that's 7-8k of money that will never enter the mtg market.
Is it better for the money just not to enter the market?
To be honest the money you'd make from investing in stocks has the potential to be much more than investing in MTG cards. Both are equal risk (you never know when people hit their pricing ceiling or when the current MTG price inflation bubble will burst).
Yes MTG prices have been raising like crazy in the past year, but that's not a guarantee that the current trend will keep going. At some point people will just not pay for things and prices will plateau, and make selling much harder.
I'm going to ask you all a question, and whatever you guys say I'll go with.
So I have some money I was going to put into stock, like 7-8k. But I love some of the old mtg cards.
There's no way I'm going to dump 7-8k into modern staples. I want to put them into reserve list cards.
Am I part of the problem? I mean, would the rest of you not want me to do that?
If I didn't put the money into cards, I would put them into a diversified stock fund.
To be clear. If you guys don't like this, that's 7-8k of money that will never enter the mtg market.
Is it better for the money just not to enter the market?
To be honest the money you'd make from investing in stocks has the potential to be much more than investing in MTG cards. Both are equal risk (you never know when people hit their pricing ceiling or when the current MTG price inflation bubble will burst).
Yes MTG prices have been raising like crazy in the past year, but that's not a guarantee that the current trend will keep going. At some point people will just not pay for things and prices will plateau, and make selling much harder.
This is exactly the kind of answer I wanted to avoid.
If I respond to you, we're going to start a debate on "whether investing in magic is a good idea or not"
The topic of this is the reserve list.
There's animosity to the reserve list because it keeps prices high.
So once again I'm standing in front of you all here asking, Am I part of the problem?
Ive got about 7-8k I want to sink into magic.
It sounds like what the anti-reserve list people are saying is yes. absolutely. don't buy those magic cards.
edit: and if you guys really think its bad of me to do this, i wont.
there's plenty of other things to sink money into in this life. I dont have to put money into magic.
So in response to what I wrote, and what others have as well, I wanted to say what I think the solution to the RL issue should be.
Wizards made a promise, and I do not think under any circumstances they should break that promise, especially one as deeply embedded as the RL.
The trust Wizards has is a vital component of the market. MTG is not like bicycle playing cards. They need the faith of the secondary market to sell cardboard for 90 dollars a box. Nobody buys cardboard for 90 bucks a box for a worthless box and does it over and over again.
So here's the solution(s).
1. Wizards creates a format where they have full authority to reprint whatever they want. Modern and Standard.
2. Wizards may reprint cards "close enough" that does not count as an official reprint. ex. Twincast, Fork, and Reverberate.
3. Wizards can supercede RL cards. We all know anti-RL people dont care about getting their copies of Yare. I dont hear any of you crying that you can't find copies of Serra Aviary, Delif's Cubes, or Conch Horns, or demanding more cards with Cumulative upkeeps.
4. Wizards "reprints" online.
5. Wizards creates new formats.
No, WotC made a policy. If they got rid of that policy tomorrow (and it would not take much, just a press release really), then in about a year we could start to see RL cards reprinted in Auxiliary products such as a future Masters set, and about two years for Standard legal sets. And there would be nothing anyone could do about it but complain. Anyone who tried to sue them because of it would lose in court, hard. Now mind you, they couldn't get rid of the Reprint policy tomorrow and then release a set with reserved list cards two days from now as that would mean the set was in production *before* the policy was abandoned, and that would be grounds for litigation. There has to be one standard production cycle between the abolishment of the policy and the release of cards from it. That means a year for auxiliary products and two years for standard legal products.
But the bottom line is, if WotC wanted to, or got orders from Hasbro proper to, then the reprint policy/reserved list would go the way of the Dodo.
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It's about time for the reserved list to die, for the sake of Vintage and Legacy (And Commander).
I'm going to ask you all a question, and whatever you guys say I'll go with.
So I have some money I was going to put into stock, like 7-8k. But I love some of the old mtg cards.
There's no way I'm going to dump 7-8k into modern staples. I want to put them into reserve list cards.
Am I part of the problem? I mean, would the rest of you not want me to do that?
If I didn't put the money into cards, I would put them into a diversified stock fund.
To be clear. If you guys don't like this, that's 7-8k of money that will never enter the mtg market.
Is it better for the money just not to enter the market?
One reason why I sold out all dual lands I own last year, is the realization that the bubble could burst at any moment... WoTC suddenly starts reprinting Reserved List cards like mad.. or counterfeits suddenly become indistinguishable from real cards.. or many people somehow get tired of playing mtg.... or a better card game appears.. - yes, some of those ideas are crazy, but who knows what will happen some years from now. So I cashed in while people are still willing to pay good money for cardboard. The guy who bought my Savannah seems really happy to have it, said he would use it for EDH. -- the duals that have been aging in my binder are now all cash, and earning a little interest in the bank each month.
- I remember Mark Rosewater and Wizards all admitting the Reserve List was a mistake. To be honest, I think very few people believe the reserve list is not a mistake.
There have been masterpiece cards that are worth well over $300. If wizards were to put a desired card of that value range (like plateau) in a masterpiece series, there is a good chance that it would be worth as much as existing copies...
... which would seem to mean that the original price would not decrease and there would be no financial damages to collectors...
...which means no lawsuits for promissory estoppel.
Is it the common belief that the value of cards would come Crashing down the moment that a reprint becomes feasibly possible? If so, the original premium loophole seems pretty safe as no single judge promo or from the vault product would have too big of an impact on collectors.
If wizards added an additional restriction of one reprint per product (no full set of duals in a masterpiece series), Set a new "common sense" list (ex: nothing worth over $1000), and let players know what card is next slated for reprint, I have a hard time imagining where the claims of damage would be coming from (unless Wizards fumbles in a big way)
No way does the value remain high on those cards at that point.
Spirits
What it's like to be ignorant of when people dared to propose a new format back before modern when we just had extended and legacy.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Suggesting you kill Modern because you dont get the reprints you like is...not 'suggesting a new format'. Goal post shift #81.
Spirits
The way forward is to make a better future
We can make WoTC give us a better future if we focus together on tasks that actually make a difference. *****ing about the RL makes no difference.
Want to make a difference? Then start arguing for the following:
The most direct means of getting more RL cards into people's hands, that are already as good as the originals is to unban the World Championship & Collector's edition cards from tournament play. That is literally the best we can do on the front of getting more RL cards to people.
Next up is that we need to insist that WoTC uses format-bypassing cards in more of their products. Standard is the enemy of all other formats besides standard and we need to get WoTC to realize it and start bypassing it. All of our eternal formats will benefit.
Let's get unified behind something realistic people.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-general/334931-what-is-the-most-pimp-card-deck-youve-seen-or?comment=5361
Commander
RGOmnath, Locus of Rage Grenades! EDHGR
UWSygg's Defense, EDH - Voltron & ControlWU
BUGMimeoplasm EDH ft. Ifnir Cycling-discard comboBUG
WBTeysa, Connoisseur of CullingBW
BWSelenia & Recruiter of the Guard suicice combo EDHWB
UBRWGO-Kagachi - 5 Color Enchantments - EDHUBRWG
You always get heated and defensive with this. As a business I think it makes financial sense to alleviate the stress being caused by the RL and provide a tiered format system that provides players of different ages with differing entry points to enjoy the hobby. Right now their is too big a gap between standard and modern financially at a competitive level, and legacy is miles high because of the RL.
So basically, the idea is make a non-RL eternal format, make modern a non-rotating standard print only card format that is monitored to keep prices balanced, and then keep standard as the entry format people get into after the planeswalker deck and toolkit ramp up.
Why not do this now? Well, the company went through a financial down turn due to the waning health of the TCG market. They had to revise their releases and print runs to deal with quality control issues and bad market practices from some online stores. Additionally, I feel they are paying for bad hiring practices and hired too many fans of the game. You want talent that thinks outside the box and has more experiences to draw from. Hiring fans creates inbreeding of ideas. See brick counters and try not to compare that to mirrodin energy counters.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
1. Make a claim with no source possible, but frame it as fact.
2. Get challenged on that claim.
3. Move the goal posts or claim that your point was misunderstood.
You do this, all the time.
As a business, it makes sense to diversify your product line. Masters sets fueled by a select few reprints that are CLEARLY needed. It makes no sense to ruin your best format, permanetly, for the sake of letting you create less card designs.
Legacy is gone in terms of price. Its that simple.
Modern, is quite high, but no, its not outside the reach of players, if approached over time.
$400 is not unattainable to play Modern.
Spirits
There was actually a video done by a channel that does discussions on legal matters. I'll try finding a link to it after work
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Ah okay. Anything else while we are at this juncture? I read multiple articles, talk and deal with mtg finance, and am hooked in to several YouTube channels who have content creators going from big time like the professor to small time like purp. I don't have the inclination nor the motivation to sift through what records I pulled every notion and opinion from for the sake of some kind of personal catharsis, let alone you. I'm sharing my thoughts on the matter of the reserved list. I'm not writing a PhD doctorates research paper on a forum.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I'm not talking about moxen, though. I'm not talking about any of the power nine. I'm not even talking about killers like moat or tabernacle.
I'm talking about reprinting <$300 cards in a manner (masterpieces) that has included $300+ cards in the past.
Going against what many people may wish, I think that the reserved list and promissory estoppel effectively stop the reprinting of super expensive cards forever. With that said, wizards is not obligated to EVER reprint an old mox even if the reserved list is broken.
I'm simply indicating that there exist ways to break the reserved list and reprint the less expensive reserved cards (such as palinchron) without tanking the value of that card (thereby avoiding lawsuits). Is there something seriously wrong in my line of thinking?
No, I think that makes sense for sure. I had to google this promissory estoppel concept, but yeah. To me, Masterpieces would be a fine way to go about it. They all have remained very collectible.
I do feel the Masters sets need another review though. We need the 2015 Version, not Iconic, or M25.
Spirits
oh, spiffy
EDIT: I'm a sucker for writing companies and sharing my thoughts, in fact during High school I wrote Philip Morris both snail and an e-mail and got contradictory answers lol, also sent the game company Pandemic a letter soon after Mercenaries Two World in Flames came out and got an answer with some promises that they fulfilled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HR7ABQIUbc. I thought it was pretty interesting to listen to myself and I'll probably watch it again since we're all talking about the RL once more.
Ultimately, I don't think WoTC is motivated enough to want to do anything with the RL. Not necessarily because they don't feel they can make money from it, but the fact that they rebuilt the game around the reserved list being there for so long. I don't think many people realize why cards had such a huge birth of cost back in the earlier days of magic. Kudzu would never see a reprint in todays magic because of being aggressively costed, off color land destruction. Moxen are outright broken in today's environment because of the change to creature and spell power on curve. Invoke Prejudice wouldn't get reprinted with that art ever again, and even the card name itself is too edgy for WoTCs tastes today. They are never going to allow Ante cards again like Demonic Attorney or Contract from Below. And finally, there are cards like Thran Tome that were designed in a time where Sol Ring and Dark Ritual were common, along with other kinds of ramp. Those cards are just completely unplayable in today's environment.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
UG Tishana, Voice of Thunder GU
UBW Sen Triplets WBU
WUBGAtraxa, Praetors' Voice GBUW
WUBRGJodah, Archmage Eternal GRBUW
GWR Mayael the Anima RWG
RWB Edgar Markov BWR
WG Gaddok Teeg GW
W Oketra the True W
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There are a lot of cards people kind of hate playing against in general because resource denial is pretty rough. Ultimately, it comes down to the fact that people want to play their creations against one another. If a deck builds itself around removing the opponents ability to play the game, than that creates traction and eventually leads to people quitting. This exact kind of thing happened in Force of Will with the last meta. They pumped counter magic to 11 and created what basically would be a commander that lets you start with 5 extra cards. And those 5 extra cards also boost creatures on the field like enchantments when they get played. They also counter every strategy in the format in some way.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Idiot's Dual
Land - Plains Swamp
When ~ enters the battlefield, you gain 2 life.
When ~ leaves the battlefield, you lose 2 life.
That or swap the order or life gain and loss.
How often do lands exit the battlefield? Not super often. So now you are gaining to life off a fetchable dual land that does not come into play tapped. That's crazy good.
There's no way to designed not-functional-but-effectively-is reprint for a dual land that does not simply mean those with the old dual lands are not effectively doubling the number of dual lands they have in their decks.
Is WoTC not allowed to make better dual lands by the Reserved list?
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No that's the thing. Wizards is allowed to make cards better than what's on the reserve list.
It would crush the price of reserve list cards. And it wouldn't violate the reserve list at all.
So I have some money I was going to put into stock, like 7-8k. But I love some of the old mtg cards.
There's no way I'm going to dump 7-8k into modern staples. I want to put them into reserve list cards.
Am I part of the problem? I mean, would the rest of you not want me to do that?
If I didn't put the money into cards, I would put them into a diversified stock fund.
To be clear. If you guys don't like this, that's 7-8k of money that will never enter the mtg market.
Is it better for the money just not to enter the market?
To be honest the money you'd make from investing in stocks has the potential to be much more than investing in MTG cards. Both are equal risk (you never know when people hit their pricing ceiling or when the current MTG price inflation bubble will burst).
Yes MTG prices have been raising like crazy in the past year, but that's not a guarantee that the current trend will keep going. At some point people will just not pay for things and prices will plateau, and make selling much harder.
This is exactly the kind of answer I wanted to avoid.
If I respond to you, we're going to start a debate on "whether investing in magic is a good idea or not"
The topic of this is the reserve list.
There's animosity to the reserve list because it keeps prices high.
So once again I'm standing in front of you all here asking, Am I part of the problem?
Ive got about 7-8k I want to sink into magic.
It sounds like what the anti-reserve list people are saying is yes. absolutely. don't buy those magic cards.
edit: and if you guys really think its bad of me to do this, i wont.
there's plenty of other things to sink money into in this life. I dont have to put money into magic.
No, WotC made a policy. If they got rid of that policy tomorrow (and it would not take much, just a press release really), then in about a year we could start to see RL cards reprinted in Auxiliary products such as a future Masters set, and about two years for Standard legal sets. And there would be nothing anyone could do about it but complain. Anyone who tried to sue them because of it would lose in court, hard. Now mind you, they couldn't get rid of the Reprint policy tomorrow and then release a set with reserved list cards two days from now as that would mean the set was in production *before* the policy was abandoned, and that would be grounds for litigation. There has to be one standard production cycle between the abolishment of the policy and the release of cards from it. That means a year for auxiliary products and two years for standard legal products.
But the bottom line is, if WotC wanted to, or got orders from Hasbro proper to, then the reprint policy/reserved list would go the way of the Dodo.
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Pascite draconem, evolvite aut morimini.
One reason why I sold out all dual lands I own last year, is the realization that the bubble could burst at any moment... WoTC suddenly starts reprinting Reserved List cards like mad.. or counterfeits suddenly become indistinguishable from real cards.. or many people somehow get tired of playing mtg.... or a better card game appears.. - yes, some of those ideas are crazy, but who knows what will happen some years from now. So I cashed in while people are still willing to pay good money for cardboard. The guy who bought my Savannah seems really happy to have it, said he would use it for EDH. -- the duals that have been aging in my binder are now all cash, and earning a little interest in the bank each month.
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