Actually, it is about exactly what you say it isn't. It seems you imagined this definition of what the thread is about with no basis in reality. Nobody cares about the cheap cards on the reserve list.
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That post used to be in a thread about that topic. It got merged into here because every single Reserve List topic is exactly the same and should all go in the same topic.
And I want $1'000'000'000 from Bill Gates. It's not going to happen and complaining about it is useless. So I have have to move on. I suggest you do the same.
I think you're being ridiculous. Comparing the abolishing of the reserved list to winning the lottery or getting a large of sum of money is hyperbole. I have a much, much better chance of saving up money to buy a playset of duals, than getting $1b from Bill Gates. And what I'm saying is that I want the dual lands with new art, that isn't made of harsly graded, crappy cardboard that loses value if you look at it funny. The most affordable dual lands are revised, and they look terrible compared to unlimited and earlier ones because they're washed out. I don't even want to touch eBay because there are counterfeit dual lands out there, and the stores I want to buy from don't even have unlimited duals. I'd much rather have duals with the new art than revised ones.
Something as basic as dual lands should have never been on the reserved list. Every multicolor deck in legacy/vintage needs them, and because some idiots wanted to treat their cards as investments we can't have duals with new art. If you look at dual lands on MTGO, they are much more affordable. I'm sure if the dual lands were reprinted today, they would reflect MTGO prices.
I think you're being ridiculous. Comparing the abolishing of the reserved list to winning the lottery or getting a large of sum of money is hyperbole. I have a much, much better chance of saving up money to buy a playset of duals, than getting $1b from Bill Gates. And what I'm saying is that I want the dual lands with new art, that isn't made of harsly graded, crappy cardboard that loses value if you look at it funny. The most affordable dual lands are revised, and they look terrible compared to unlimited and earlier ones because they're washed out. I don't even want to touch eBay because there are counterfeit dual lands out there, and the stores I want to buy from don't even have unlimited duals. I'd much rather have duals with the new art than revised ones.
Something as basic as dual lands should have never been on the reserved list. Every multicolor deck in legacy/vintage needs them, and because some idiots wanted to treat their cards as investments we can't have duals with new art. If you look at dual lands on MTGO, they are much more affordable. I'm sure if the dual lands were reprinted today, they would reflect MTGO prices.
All I see in your post is a person who wants have nice cards without having to pay the money they cost.
Calling collectors idiots is not going to help. Neither is your wish to get bb duals with new art (anything else? foil korean/russian/japanese misprint crimped?). Of course that would be nice but it a waste of time and energy to dream about such things.
You like unlimited duals? do it like me: buy them! it s faster than getting your wish fulfilled.
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All I see in your post is a person who wants have nice cards without having to pay the money they cost.
All ***I*** see OTOH is somebody who feels so damn entitled to his opinion, point of view, that he is willing to cherry pick statements, put words into their mouths, and sometimes just get straight out belligerent towards anybody who shows one iota of disagreement. Examples all over the thread.
[or rather, that is the sentiment I sense from reading his posts throughout the thread.]
Why is it that the person who wants to play with specific cards, or cards which function a specific way, are people with an entitlement complex, but not the ones who feel the list should never be changed, and that the collector value in the secondary market should be tightly controlled by the manufacturers in a way not seen in ANY OTHER TCG?
I'm not sure what Markers meant, but I also understood that he wants the list to stay there. He's probably right that complaining (especially here) won't help and if you really want the duals, you should probably save for them. On the other hand, without complaining things won't change for better for sure, so maybe everybody should use 15 minutes couple times per year to send an email to Wizards to complain about the situation.
Anyways, of course it would suck if you had recently bought duals and they suddenly announced that they are going to abolish the list and that they will reprint duals within two months. But I think most people would be ok if they announced that the list will be abolished in 2014 or something like that and after that reprints might or might not happen, as then you would have time to sell them if you want to. It's not like Wizard's announcement to reprint Modern staples made Goyf drop in value that much so I doubt abolishing the list alone would affect their value that much.
Anyways, of course it would suck if you had recently bought duals and they suddenly announced that they are going to abolish the list and that they will reprint duals within two months. But I think most people would be ok if they announced that the list will be abolished in 2014 or something like that and after that reprints might or might not happen, as then you would have time to sell them if you want to. It's not like Wizard's announcement to reprint Modern staples made Goyf drop in value that much so I doubt abolishing the list alone would affect their value that much.
There's a difference in "We're reprinting Modern Staples" and "Goyf is 100% coming back."
At this point, if they abolish the reserved list, everyone would immediately assume "Duals are 100% coming back" unless Wizards stated otherwise. And if you know that duals are being reprinted in the near future, would you honestly buy them at the current rate? That'd be silly. And since that's silly, it means that it would be equally as silly to assume that you could sell your duals at the current rate. I won't speculate about how low the prices would end up, but there is no way that the ability to reprint reserved cards would do anything other than reduce the prices of reserved cards. The reserved list is so rigid at this point that trying to do anything about the list would break the confidence of everyone who has faith in the list. You basically can't make this not suck for people who own dual lands and care about their cards maintaining value.
As for me, I'm torn about the reserved list. Frankly, it's so much easier to advocate abolishing it if you don't have anything invested in your collection of reserved cards. Honestly, I hate the reserved list, but in actively wanting to participate in formats with reserved cards, I've become entangled in it. I became interested in Legacy a few years ago, and saved up to afford the lands I would need to play the deck I wanted to. Over time, I ended up collecting all of the dual lands for the complete set of 40. I purchased most of them at today's prices, and even though I seriously don't use more than 8 of these cards at a time, knowing the time, money and effort required to make this set makes me feel accomplished as a collector. Frankly, I wish Legacy were more accessible so I could play in tournaments more frequently than once a month...but at the same time, if they reprinted all of the dual lands, I will feel like the effort and energy I had to put into collecting these lands will have been a waste. I'm not trying to treat my collection like an investment, and I'm not just sitting here getting off on watching the value of my collection appreciate. But in wanting to play Legacy, I turned into one of those collectors who would be affected negatively by the abolishment of the reserved list. I only felt secure in spending hundreds of dollars on the duals I needed to make my deck because of the way the reserved list has set in stone that there's really no other way to do what I want to do. I honestly feel like the time/money/effort that I put into collecting my lands will be marginalized if we reach a point in the future when someone can collect playsets of Underground Sea by cracking recent packs or something similar without having to spend months of time saving hundreds of dollars like it cost me. Expand that to include that I own 40 dual lands, and what happens is that I end up being made to severely regret purchases that I only made because I was told that it was my only option. I'd feel like I was seriously lied to.
I'd support abolishing the reserved list...but I'd also be pretty livid that Wizards ended up going back on their word about the thing that made me believe that I *HAD* to drop 1000+ dollars on one deck if I really wanted to play that deck. I can't imagine that someone who owns *more* than "just 40 duals" would be able to do anything other than froth at the mouth if the list went away.
Yes, it'd suck for those who had recently bought a bunch of duals, but most of the people who have bought them earlier at much lower price have said it would be fine for them. Yes, the price of the cards on the reserved list has to drop to solve the problem, but if they warn about abolishing the list like several years in advance I can't see their value dropping by more than 20%-30% immediately. I'd probably sell duals I don't need right now, but keep ones I'm playing. When reprints actually happen, they would drop more, of course. (Plus what is a bigger price barrier for Modern than Goyf? I'm quite surprised if they don't reprint it within next two years)
Honestly, they really should have abolished the list two years ago when the prices weren't yet so high, but as they didn't there are now huge problems. Also, what happens if SCG in US abandons Legacy in favor of Modern when costs become too prohobitive? Prices might drop near to 2009 levels, which might be close to what reprints could do. I agree that they don't have any good options left anymore, either they hurt those who have bought duals recently, or let the likely unsustainable trend continue.
I agree that they don't have any good options left anymore, either they hurt those who have bought duals recently, or let the likely unsustainable trend continue.
Printing snow-duals in a commander set is a good option. While it will "hurt" those of use who've bought duals recently (myself included) we won't ave a legitimate complaint. Also, it won't hurt that much. Ooze is a forty dollar card only a year after it's release - and that card hasn't half the demand that Snow-covered Tundra would have.
Snow duals would be bought up and horded very quickly, and within a couple years revised duals wouldn't be worth much less than they are now. But there would be a lot more people playing Legacy. Maybe that's the real issue. If WotC helps people buy into Legacy, they might be helping people leave standard and thus make less money.
Or how about they do nothing, realize that because of the reserve list that Legacy only has so much longer to be a widely supported and enjoyed format and that within the next 5-10 years it will slowly go the way of Vintage because of a loss of interest and card availability issues in paper.
As that happens, all of those cards get introduced into MTGO and it becomes the place to play Vintage and Legacy, and Modern becomes the eternal format, completely sutainable because there are no rules to bind it, and key cards can be reprinted as necessary.
Printing snow-duals in a commander set is a good option. While it will "hurt" those of use who've bought duals recently (myself included) we won't ave a legitimate complaint. Also, it won't hurt that much. Ooze is a forty dollar card only a year after it's release - and that card hasn't half the demand that Snow-covered Tundra would have.
Snow duals would be bought up and horded very quickly, and within a couple years revised duals wouldn't be worth much less than they are now. But there would be a lot more people playing Legacy. Maybe that's the real issue. If WotC helps people buy into Legacy, they might be helping people leave standard and thus make less money.
Wasn't there a huge boom in legacy when decks in Alara/Zendikar standard started costing around $1000? Like Mythic Conscription was one of those decks. People got sick of paying high prices for cards that would rotate so they bought legacy decks for the same price, and they wouldn't drop in price like standard cards would. I remember complaining back then how Wasteland was $17 (because I was a bad player back then and I didn't see why anyone should pay that much for an uncommon). Now look at where it is. I didn't pay attention to the prices of the original dual lands but someone was telling me they were around $25 before the boom.
Or how about they do nothing, realize that because of the reserve list that Legacy only has so much longer to be a widely supported and enjoyed format and that within the next 5-10 years it will slowly go the way of Vintage because of a loss of interest and card availability issues in paper.
They can do that as well, but I don't see what that has to do with my suggestion.
You cannot do Snow reprints. You cannot allow 8 of each dual available in Legacy/Vintage.
But, we can't afford the ABU duals and want to play Legacy!
Shocks. Use shocks. Don't like it, buy ABU duals. Please don't pander around for a doubling effect. Do we need really need access to 8 Tundra?
No we do not. Either abolish the list or don't. But please, please do not encourage functional reprints.
This argument has been brought up every time someone suggests snow duals, makes perfect sense, yet people still want snow duals.. I don't get it. It wouldn't change anything. People who can afford original duals would still have the potential to make a better deck. I would 100% run 4 Scrubland and 4 Snow-Covered Scrubland in my B/W deck if I could, unless they also printed Snow-Covered Wasteland.
As for the prints snow duals - ban originals idea.. ridiculous. It's so stupid that my brain is literally melting at the concept, leaving me unable to even explain why it's such a bad idea.
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This argument has been brought up every time someone suggests snow duals, makes perfect sense, yet people still want snow duals.. I don't get it. It wouldn't change anything. People who can afford original duals would still have the potential to make a better deck. I would 100% run 4 Scrubland and 4 Snow-Covered Scrubland in my B/W deck if I could, unless they also printed Snow-Covered Wasteland.
As for the prints snow duals - ban originals idea.. ridiculous. It's so stupid that my brain is literally melting at the concept, leaving me unable to even explain why it's such a bad idea.
Hasn't it been argued in this thread that decks won't want to run 8 dual lands of the same color combination? Because people usually want to have the majority of their land base be fetchlands.
As for the prints snow duals - ban originals idea.. ridiculous. It's so stupid that my brain is literally melting at the concept, leaving me unable to even explain why it's such a bad idea.
Hasn't it been argued in this thread that decks won't want to run 8 dual lands of the same color combination? Because people usually want to have the majority of their land base be fetchlands.
Obviously in a 3-color deck you wouldn't run them. But in 2 color? You're telling me you wouldn't run 8 duals?
8 duals, 7 fetches, 4 Wasteland vs the 4 duals, 3 swamp, 1 plains, 7 fetches, 4 Wasteland I'm running right now. I'd take the former all day. You only have so many Wasteland's.
There are other reasons to run snow duals as well. Ever been blown out of a color by Extirpate/Surgical Extraction? I board those in sometimes when mana bases get too greedy. A 1/2 regular/snow split would make that much harder. New players without original duals would still be behind. This doesn't happen a whole lot, but it's another small reason snow duals is a stupid idea.
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abolish the reserved list, reprint alpha duals and Wasteland as commons in m14
many of the barriers to entry for Legacy vanish immediately, the price of old duals won't take much of a hit (for the same reason that an alpha Lightning Bolt costs almost a hundred times as much as an M11 one (based on magiccards.info prices)) and the inclusion of Wasteland means that including the duals in standard/modern/etc decks isn't necessarily a no-brainer decision
edit: it'd also be the best thing ever for casual players. I don't play much casual any more but when I did I would have jumped for joy if Wizards provided me with the ability to easily make cheap, rock-solid manabases
^--- No, please keep Wasteland out of modern. I support reprinting it in some sort of new product, but one that isn't Modern legal.
Please, by all means print Snow Duals, so I can play mono-red Chalice / Magus of the Moon / Blood Moon / Wasteland stompy to great success. The meta would adjust accordingly if people thought they could honestly get away with running THAT MANY non-basics.
abolish the reserved list, reprint alpha duals and Wasteland as commons in m14
many of the barriers to entry for Legacy vanish immediately, the price of old duals won't take much of a hit (for the same reason that an alpha Lightning Bolt costs almost a hundred times as much as an M11 one (based on magiccards.info prices)) and the inclusion of Wasteland means that including the duals in standard/modern/etc decks isn't necessarily a no-brainer decision
edit: it'd also be the best thing ever for casual players. I don't play much casual any more but when I did I would have jumped for joy if Wizards provided me with the ability to easily make cheap, rock-solid manabases
Great idea!
Printing duals/Wasteland in the common slot in a standard legal environment would not only wreck standard but kill the game...
Why whould anybody buy any future product (apart from some singles)? Certain collectors would buy a set of the game but that's about it. Everybody would start to play Legacy (it's easier to maintain your decks since you only need 1 - 3 cards per year PLUS it's much more fun than Standard) and only Legacy in the competitive environment.
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Printing duals/Wasteland in the common slot in a standard legal environment would not only wreck standard but kill the game...
Why whould anybody buy any future product (apart from some singles)? Certain collectors would buy a set of the game but that's about it. Everybody would start to play Legacy (it's easier to maintain your decks since you only need 1 - 3 cards per year PLUS it's much more fun than Standard) and only Legacy in the competitive environment.
I think he was being sarcastic.
EDIT: Anyways, I don't think everybody would start to play Legacy if it was more affordable. Some people like to play Standard or Modern because they don't like some of the broken stuff on Legacy, or they otherwise like new design philosophy more (ie, like creature decks and aggro and hate permission, discard and LD). Plus they are also skill-wise easier to enter than Legacy as play mistakes don't lose you a game as easily.
That post used to be in a thread about that topic. It got merged into here because every single Reserve List topic is exactly the same and should all go in the same topic.
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I think you're being ridiculous. Comparing the abolishing of the reserved list to winning the lottery or getting a large of sum of money is hyperbole. I have a much, much better chance of saving up money to buy a playset of duals, than getting $1b from Bill Gates. And what I'm saying is that I want the dual lands with new art, that isn't made of harsly graded, crappy cardboard that loses value if you look at it funny. The most affordable dual lands are revised, and they look terrible compared to unlimited and earlier ones because they're washed out. I don't even want to touch eBay because there are counterfeit dual lands out there, and the stores I want to buy from don't even have unlimited duals. I'd much rather have duals with the new art than revised ones.
Something as basic as dual lands should have never been on the reserved list. Every multicolor deck in legacy/vintage needs them, and because some idiots wanted to treat their cards as investments we can't have duals with new art. If you look at dual lands on MTGO, they are much more affordable. I'm sure if the dual lands were reprinted today, they would reflect MTGO prices.
All I see in your post is a person who wants have nice cards without having to pay the money they cost.
Calling collectors idiots is not going to help. Neither is your wish to get bb duals with new art (anything else? foil korean/russian/japanese misprint crimped?). Of course that would be nice but it a waste of time and energy to dream about such things.
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That is completely reasonable as their current price is quite ridiculous.
All ***I*** see OTOH is somebody who feels so damn entitled to his opinion, point of view, that he is willing to cherry pick statements, put words into their mouths, and sometimes just get straight out belligerent towards anybody who shows one iota of disagreement. Examples all over the thread.
[or rather, that is the sentiment I sense from reading his posts throughout the thread.]
Why is it that the person who wants to play with specific cards, or cards which function a specific way, are people with an entitlement complex, but not the ones who feel the list should never be changed, and that the collector value in the secondary market should be tightly controlled by the manufacturers in a way not seen in ANY OTHER TCG?
Anyways, of course it would suck if you had recently bought duals and they suddenly announced that they are going to abolish the list and that they will reprint duals within two months. But I think most people would be ok if they announced that the list will be abolished in 2014 or something like that and after that reprints might or might not happen, as then you would have time to sell them if you want to. It's not like Wizard's announcement to reprint Modern staples made Goyf drop in value that much so I doubt abolishing the list alone would affect their value that much.
There's a difference in "We're reprinting Modern Staples" and "Goyf is 100% coming back."
At this point, if they abolish the reserved list, everyone would immediately assume "Duals are 100% coming back" unless Wizards stated otherwise. And if you know that duals are being reprinted in the near future, would you honestly buy them at the current rate? That'd be silly. And since that's silly, it means that it would be equally as silly to assume that you could sell your duals at the current rate. I won't speculate about how low the prices would end up, but there is no way that the ability to reprint reserved cards would do anything other than reduce the prices of reserved cards. The reserved list is so rigid at this point that trying to do anything about the list would break the confidence of everyone who has faith in the list. You basically can't make this not suck for people who own dual lands and care about their cards maintaining value.
As for me, I'm torn about the reserved list. Frankly, it's so much easier to advocate abolishing it if you don't have anything invested in your collection of reserved cards. Honestly, I hate the reserved list, but in actively wanting to participate in formats with reserved cards, I've become entangled in it. I became interested in Legacy a few years ago, and saved up to afford the lands I would need to play the deck I wanted to. Over time, I ended up collecting all of the dual lands for the complete set of 40. I purchased most of them at today's prices, and even though I seriously don't use more than 8 of these cards at a time, knowing the time, money and effort required to make this set makes me feel accomplished as a collector. Frankly, I wish Legacy were more accessible so I could play in tournaments more frequently than once a month...but at the same time, if they reprinted all of the dual lands, I will feel like the effort and energy I had to put into collecting these lands will have been a waste. I'm not trying to treat my collection like an investment, and I'm not just sitting here getting off on watching the value of my collection appreciate. But in wanting to play Legacy, I turned into one of those collectors who would be affected negatively by the abolishment of the reserved list. I only felt secure in spending hundreds of dollars on the duals I needed to make my deck because of the way the reserved list has set in stone that there's really no other way to do what I want to do. I honestly feel like the time/money/effort that I put into collecting my lands will be marginalized if we reach a point in the future when someone can collect playsets of Underground Sea by cracking recent packs or something similar without having to spend months of time saving hundreds of dollars like it cost me. Expand that to include that I own 40 dual lands, and what happens is that I end up being made to severely regret purchases that I only made because I was told that it was my only option. I'd feel like I was seriously lied to.
I'd support abolishing the reserved list...but I'd also be pretty livid that Wizards ended up going back on their word about the thing that made me believe that I *HAD* to drop 1000+ dollars on one deck if I really wanted to play that deck. I can't imagine that someone who owns *more* than "just 40 duals" would be able to do anything other than froth at the mouth if the list went away.
Honestly, they really should have abolished the list two years ago when the prices weren't yet so high, but as they didn't there are now huge problems. Also, what happens if SCG in US abandons Legacy in favor of Modern when costs become too prohobitive? Prices might drop near to 2009 levels, which might be close to what reprints could do. I agree that they don't have any good options left anymore, either they hurt those who have bought duals recently, or let the likely unsustainable trend continue.
Printing snow-duals in a commander set is a good option. While it will "hurt" those of use who've bought duals recently (myself included) we won't ave a legitimate complaint. Also, it won't hurt that much. Ooze is a forty dollar card only a year after it's release - and that card hasn't half the demand that Snow-covered Tundra would have.
Snow duals would be bought up and horded very quickly, and within a couple years revised duals wouldn't be worth much less than they are now. But there would be a lot more people playing Legacy. Maybe that's the real issue. If WotC helps people buy into Legacy, they might be helping people leave standard and thus make less money.
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But, we can't afford the ABU duals and want to play Legacy!
Shocks. Use shocks. Don't like it, buy ABU duals. Please don't pander around for a doubling effect. Do we need really need access to 8 Tundra?
No we do not. Either abolish the list or don't. But please, please do not encourage functional reprints.
Then print Snow duals and ban the originals.
Or how about they do nothing, realize that because of the reserve list that Legacy only has so much longer to be a widely supported and enjoyed format and that within the next 5-10 years it will slowly go the way of Vintage because of a loss of interest and card availability issues in paper.
As that happens, all of those cards get introduced into MTGO and it becomes the place to play Vintage and Legacy, and Modern becomes the eternal format, completely sutainable because there are no rules to bind it, and key cards can be reprinted as necessary.
Wasn't there a huge boom in legacy when decks in Alara/Zendikar standard started costing around $1000? Like Mythic Conscription was one of those decks. People got sick of paying high prices for cards that would rotate so they bought legacy decks for the same price, and they wouldn't drop in price like standard cards would. I remember complaining back then how Wasteland was $17 (because I was a bad player back then and I didn't see why anyone should pay that much for an uncommon). Now look at where it is. I didn't pay attention to the prices of the original dual lands but someone was telling me they were around $25 before the boom.
They can do that as well, but I don't see what that has to do with my suggestion.
This argument has been brought up every time someone suggests snow duals, makes perfect sense, yet people still want snow duals.. I don't get it. It wouldn't change anything. People who can afford original duals would still have the potential to make a better deck. I would 100% run 4 Scrubland and 4 Snow-Covered Scrubland in my B/W deck if I could, unless they also printed Snow-Covered Wasteland.
As for the prints snow duals - ban originals idea.. ridiculous. It's so stupid that my brain is literally melting at the concept, leaving me unable to even explain why it's such a bad idea.
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Hasn't it been argued in this thread that decks won't want to run 8 dual lands of the same color combination? Because people usually want to have the majority of their land base be fetchlands.
Get back to me when your brain solidifies.
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Obviously in a 3-color deck you wouldn't run them. But in 2 color? You're telling me you wouldn't run 8 duals?
8 duals, 7 fetches, 4 Wasteland vs the 4 duals, 3 swamp, 1 plains, 7 fetches, 4 Wasteland I'm running right now. I'd take the former all day. You only have so many Wasteland's.
There are other reasons to run snow duals as well. Ever been blown out of a color by Extirpate/Surgical Extraction? I board those in sometimes when mana bases get too greedy. A 1/2 regular/snow split would make that much harder. New players without original duals would still be behind. This doesn't happen a whole lot, but it's another small reason snow duals is a stupid idea.
You betcha.
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many of the barriers to entry for Legacy vanish immediately, the price of old duals won't take much of a hit (for the same reason that an alpha Lightning Bolt costs almost a hundred times as much as an M11 one (based on magiccards.info prices)) and the inclusion of Wasteland means that including the duals in standard/modern/etc decks isn't necessarily a no-brainer decision
edit: it'd also be the best thing ever for casual players. I don't play much casual any more but when I did I would have jumped for joy if Wizards provided me with the ability to easily make cheap, rock-solid manabases
Please, by all means print Snow Duals, so I can play mono-red Chalice / Magus of the Moon / Blood Moon / Wasteland stompy to great success. The meta would adjust accordingly if people thought they could honestly get away with running THAT MANY non-basics.
Great idea!
Printing duals/Wasteland in the common slot in a standard legal environment would not only wreck standard but kill the game...
Why whould anybody buy any future product (apart from some singles)? Certain collectors would buy a set of the game but that's about it. Everybody would start to play Legacy (it's easier to maintain your decks since you only need 1 - 3 cards per year PLUS it's much more fun than Standard) and only Legacy in the competitive environment.
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I think he was being sarcastic.
EDIT: Anyways, I don't think everybody would start to play Legacy if it was more affordable. Some people like to play Standard or Modern because they don't like some of the broken stuff on Legacy, or they otherwise like new design philosophy more (ie, like creature decks and aggro and hate permission, discard and LD). Plus they are also skill-wise easier to enter than Legacy as play mistakes don't lose you a game as easily.
Reprint Opt for Modern!!
FREE DIG THOROUGH TIME!
PLAY MORE ROUGE DECKS!