Do not ever do that. Ever. Call the police. In this scenario you know who the person is. The cops will find him. Follow them long enough to get more info such as a license plate number or description of their car or whatever info you can get. Give it to the police.
As a former law enforcement office I can tell you that using a firearm on another person is a bad idea. Not to mention every state has different laws. Your gun should be used as a last result and it should be based on the severity of the crime perpetrated against you. If your life is threatened, if someone else's life is threatened for example. If someone grabs your cards and bolts then you shoot them I can guarantee you will spend a considerable amount of time explaining your actions then end up in prison even if they live....unless you live in Texas of course haha j/k. :).
Seriously, don't even think about that. Don't even pull the gun out for something like this. It's just a terrible idea.
Was purely hypothetical.
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Rain (and the occasional wet snow) is one of my biggest fears when I'm out and have cards with me, so what I do is take precautions whenever it's cloudy out and there's a 15% or greater chance of precipitation. The precaution involves multiple layers of bags
I cycle to the game store, and I've ridden through minor tropical storms with decks in a "waterproof" messenger bag (that come to think of it has holes on the top where water could get in) and never had any problems.
Maybe I should try more protection in the future...
I find it helps to have a firearm concealed carry license and to be discreet about the hump in your side. When you need to be able to protect yourself against thieves, do so legally.
A gun? You would actually consider killing another human being over Magic cards???
Just use a lot of common sense.
The best defense against theft.
I've known some people who have had really expensive collections stolen at major events, and in every case, there was absolutely no need for them to lug their pricey collections around with them. They claimed they "might want to trade/sell some cards", but in reality they just wanted to show off.
No one deserves to have anything stolen, but bad situations usually start by someone making bad choices, and carrying expensive things around with you when you don't need to is a bad choice.
If it's who I am thinking of (Eli Kasis, or however you spell his name), you realize thieves BROKE INTO HIS CAR, and stole his things.
I don't care how you look at it, the man had things stolen from him.
Yes, it was a bad situation, but he precipitated it by making a bad choice. There was no reason he needed to have those cards on him. Same thing as that guy who had his foil cube stolen. No, he didn't deserve it, and yes, it was a horrible thing, but if he didn't precipitate that by making a bad decision, it wouldn't have happened.
Not much you can do to protect from that kind of premeditation.
Sure there is. Don't bring them.
Would you carry $70,000 in cash in your car? Even if it was in a bag locked in the trunk? I know I sure wouldn't.
That said thieves do not, by and large, make opportunities for theft. Rather they take advantage of human vanity, naivete, desires for social acceptance, and irresponsibility.
Exactly. Thieves take advantage of opportunity. Don't give them that opportunity.
Also, collectible insurance exists. If you have a high value collection, get it. I know people who have collections worth more than their cars, but don't carry collectible insurance.
Anyways, I agree with the poster who said the OP should get a concealed carry license and a handgun.
If you equate the value of a human life with Magic cards, you need to talk to someone. Deadly force should only ever be used to defend your life against deadly force. Even suggesting someone use a deadly weapon against a theft of Magic cards is lunacy.
As for lost cards, the worst theft I ever had was 2 Glimpse the Unthinkables (when thy were $20 a piece). After that, anything worth nore than a couple dollars stays at home, and any decks I have that use those cards have proxies in them, and I make sure everyone knows they are proxies. The most expensive thing a thief would get from if he stole my entire deckbox would be the sleeves.
I cycle to the game store, and I've ridden through minor tropical storms with decks in a "waterproof" messenger bag (that come to think of it has holes on the top where water could get in) and never had any problems.
Yea, here in Portland we get dumped on much of the year, and my Timbuk 2 messenger bag has never let me down. EDIT: I just realized that I have had that thing for 20 years. Bought it in 1993, and even though I am not the daily bike commuter I used to be, I have used the hell out of it.
Yea, here in Portland we get dumped on much of the year, and my Timbuk 2 messenger bag has never let me down. EDIT: I just realized that I have had that thing for 20 years. Bought it in 1993, and even though I am not the daily bike commuter I used to be, I have used the hell out of it.
Yeah, it's a Timbuk2 bag. Holds an Ultra Pro binder, 360 cube + basics, two deckboxes, wallet and dice.
Its between the time I tripped and dropped a box of my cards in the rain or the time someone stole my first UB Faeries deck (I treasured the everloving hell out of that Faeries deck... T_T)
I have quite a few revised duals that were given to me in middle school when my friend and his older brother quit playing.
I had an entire play-set of Volcanic Islands that I was using in a deck when I went over to my friends house (and I am sure they were all in there when I went over) When I looked through the deck a few days later, I realized I only had 3 Volcanic Islands in there.
To top it off, a few months later he said in a conversation that he had sold a Volcanic Island that he forgot he had to pay for one of the decks he was currently playing.
I can't prove anything, but whenever I hang out with him, I always watch my cards.
Oh, and one of my Griselbrands when missing after I played with him another day.
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Simple. I was at the college and a friend asked me to play his deck. I had my large box of cards beside me with my R/U EDH Deck, Modern Green deck, 300$ Bant Birthing pod deck, and my 2nd place tournament winnings from the previous weekend. He wished me to play his deck against a different one. I had my box beside me, box was there. Drew my hand, box was gone....I lost everything and that nearly snuffed my planeswalker spark altogether. My friends aided me in getting started, but the scars remain.
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-- Albert Einstein
A friend of mine was borrowing some of my GoST for a UW delver deck he was running. We went to a shop an hour away and he accidentally left the deck on the table, unfortunately "no one saw it" and it hasn't been seen since.
It was terrible for both of us, he just lost $3-400 worth of cards including some of mine. Luckily my friend was very cool about it and got me my GoST's back asap. I gained alot of respect for him that day.
My friend can't handle his alcohol very well and turns into a flailing arm maniac . So one night around the gaming table he spilled his glass of Disaronno on my Liliana of the Veil. At the time she was under $30 so he agreed to pay me back, but he also ruined a perfectly glass of Disaronno.
Even since then I position myself around the gaming table to avoid it happening again.
I found out the hard way that magic cards can actually melt.
My girlfriend (who I had told not to do this) decided to put boxes of my cards near a radiator last winter. The heat was so high that the coating on the cards actually melted together and warped the shape of the cards
Then she left a pile of foils on a window ledge (where it was below freezing); yea, those curled up into little cracked tubes
Luckily both of those involved mostly commons and uncommons; but I lost probably 2000+ cards in total
She was going to build a shelf over the radiator to keep my rare binders; but I found all the damaged cards she had made and was able to convince her that they needed to be kept away from extreme heat or cold
In her defense at the time we were living in a tiny (200 square foot) hotel room (in a 106 year old building); we didn't have a lot of places to put things and I could have double checked which boxes had been placed near what in our storage piles, but I'd let her move the smaller boxes (like MTG cards) while I was moving the larger heavier stuff and just never thought to double check her placement of the cards until about a month later when I needed to dig for some things in those boxes
And in the grand sheme of things I did own like 50,000 cards at the time so the loss of about 2000 commons/uncommons (and some foils) was maybe $50 out of the $6000+ pile in the corner, so it could have been far worse, especially if any damage had been done to the binders.
I've sold about half of it since than (down to maybe $3000 in cards at the moment) and we've since moved to a much larger apartment where I am currently putting up a shelf system for the cards that will be very far away from any heat or cold sources
So a little back story. When I first started playing magic was around 4th edition era. I played up through Mercadian Masques Block. When I was in high school I had my best magic deck which was a white/black destroy all type of theme(Armageddon, Wrath of God, Winds of Rath, Lord of the Pit/Breeding Pool, Royal Assassins, Nevernyls disc, demonic tutor, Jester's Cap/Mask, duel lands, etc...) stolen from my backpack while I was in gym class. There was one person who hated that deck I had and I always thought he was the one that stole it but I could never prove it back then.
Once it was stolen I still collected a bit but didnt play socially due to moving to a new area with no local scene in the year 2000. My bad experience with the theft of my favorite deck really put me in a funk which had me sit out and not play for about 10+ years in addition to focusing on college courses and full time work with horrible hours/days off. I am finally back to playing again as of Sept of 2013 and am enjoying the game once more.
I went into a long hospital stay for leukemia; part of this was that I had no immune system, and everything had to be sanitary. I asked my friends to bring my decks to me, so I could play and tinker.
I called my roommate one day to ask about them. The girls had decided to surprise me by going through each and every one and cleaning them with rubbing alcohol... and then stacking them all back up before they dried. Luckily they were only about halfway through when I called.
Also, they threw away all my old pre-con boxes my decks were in, and the decks arrived in Ziploc freezer bags.
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This hasn't happened in MAGIC, per se, but I have had a Yugioh deck stolen. It sucked. Back in the day, I used a n00bish/semi-competitive Koa'ki Meiru deck with like 1-of-each-KM card. It completely dominated my local, middle school-ish playgroup. Then, some jerk literally purloined my deck from my bare hands without me noticing. He managed to steal like 65% of my foils and 25% of my commons. Eventually, I rebuilt this deck into a semi-functional state. Fortunately, I am now MUCH more vigilant about watching my Magic cards.
my mate's sister had just bought a new cat and it pissed on about 150 of his cards. he said he lost 2 thragtusks while they were legal so that would suck :'(
This was pretty disastrous to me: started playing around Unlimited / Revised managing a local card shop part time. Owner didn't have a lot of money, so basically paid me in cards he got from the regional collectible show. Before I knew hit, I had a full set of unlimited/revised dual lands and 7 of the power 9 from the same. Alas, to my parent it was nothing more than a kids game, so one fine weekend she hauled me to the regional collectible show, and forced me to sell my entire collection for $100. Why you ask? She needed money for gas to visit her new pen pal boyfriend in prison. When she saw how quickly the vendor jumped and that there was an entire city block warehouse devoted to my "silly game", she whispered to me asking if this was a mistake. I pretty much just glared at her, told her we were already here, and it was worth it for not another day of her guilt trips.
I lent a guy on a 'team' of friends and I who played Standard together three Silverblade Paladins, a playset of Cavern of Souls, and three Sun Titans. Mind you, these were back when they were in standard. The Silverblades were going for 6-8 a piece, the Caverns for about $27, and the Sun Titans were going for a few as well. I was new to Magic (it was only my second block), and they were my main money cards at the time. I'm still broken up about those damn Caverns.
Basically, a friend told me I could trust him (a friend which I do trust), but it turned out he was a thief and actually got sued by our local card shop (he worked there) for stealing a f*ckton of cards valuing in the many hundreds like three months later. The friend I actually did trust's mother sold all his cards while he was away at college, even though I had lent him two Grave Titans and three Jace, Memory Adepts. I am extremely uneasy about even letting close friends alone with my cards since then.
When I lived with a friend of mine back in the day, once upon a time he decided to randomly go live with some chick 450 miles away for a month. I was homeless more or less at the time, and had been living in his parents basement with him for a few months. The only thing I had was a backpack with some clothes and personal belongings, and all my cards and dj equipment from the good time in my life a few years before that. Anyways I had around 13000$ worth of music production and dj equipment, sitting in the room i lived in. I also had around 2500$ worth of Yu-gi-oh! cards and maybe 1000$ worth of magic cards.
I ended up leaving a few weeks later to get back out on the road for hitchhiking to some more jobs.
His mother was up until that time a good friend, but had fallen on hard times, although I dont think near as bad as I was (She had a house and I couldnt afford to live there for long because of other issues). Anyways she told me shed keep watch over my stuff, but when I returned a couple months later, not only did she tell me to **** off and locked the door, my friend had came back about a week after that and told me all my ***** was gone. I swore up and down it was him, until his sister admitted to me that their mother had stolen all my ***** and sold it for like 7000$.
The fact that she could have sold it for at least 10k, pissed me the hell off, but also the fact that I had spent half my life aquiring my most prized possesions and never intended to sell them, even with me being in a rough spot. To this day Ive tried to sue her, but I cant prove anything, since as far as the law sees it, it was abandoned property.
That was a good 6 years ago, but it had taught me to NEVER leave anything valuable anywhere I know it isnt 110% safe.
It was early in 1996, I was in middle school and me and my friends had been playing magic for a few months. We all loved the hell out of it. I had a small card box that contained my one and only deck and all of my cards. It was a B/G turd of a deck that contained my two prized cards, both Baron Sengirs. I had it with me at all times, all times except when we were out for gym. During one of my gym classes I had it in a locker, my middle school was pretty old and ghetto and we had no locks. Came back in from the gym to the looker room to find my box ripped open, my deck and about half of my cards gone. At that point in my life I remember it as one of the most painful moments I had experienced at that time. Never found the culprit but that's probably good, my childish need for revenge would have gotten me in deep
Last year at GP Richmond my deck was stolen right at the beginning of round 7. It wasn't any archetype of note, being Top Control, but there were some valuable cards in it, including a playset of Ensnaring Bridge, 2 Mox Opals (one being a Japanese foil), 2 Liliana of the Veil, 2 foil Ashioks, 3 Verdant Catacombs, two foil Snow Basics and four foil Old Rav duals (UB, BR, BG, and GU), all signed by Rob Alexander, two of which had Bolas-themed alters. All told, the deck was easily works $1k or more. I was in quite a funk for some time when it happened.
This is why you should always clean your room and put away your stuff.
My friend who used to play with me back in high school kept his cards in a white deck-box. (the dollar ones from card stores)
One day, he left them on his desk and the weekly house keeper threw them out.
there were some dual lands and other stuff like a lions eye diamond back when they were worth $20 and $1 respectively.
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That does seem like the next step to take
Was purely hypothetical.
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I cycle to the game store, and I've ridden through minor tropical storms with decks in a "waterproof" messenger bag (that come to think of it has holes on the top where water could get in) and never had any problems.
Maybe I should try more protection in the future...
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A gun? You would actually consider killing another human being over Magic cards???
The best defense against theft.
I've known some people who have had really expensive collections stolen at major events, and in every case, there was absolutely no need for them to lug their pricey collections around with them. They claimed they "might want to trade/sell some cards", but in reality they just wanted to show off.
No one deserves to have anything stolen, but bad situations usually start by someone making bad choices, and carrying expensive things around with you when you don't need to is a bad choice.
Yes, it was a bad situation, but he precipitated it by making a bad choice. There was no reason he needed to have those cards on him. Same thing as that guy who had his foil cube stolen. No, he didn't deserve it, and yes, it was a horrible thing, but if he didn't precipitate that by making a bad decision, it wouldn't have happened.
Sure there is. Don't bring them.
Would you carry $70,000 in cash in your car? Even if it was in a bag locked in the trunk? I know I sure wouldn't.
Exactly. Thieves take advantage of opportunity. Don't give them that opportunity.
Also, collectible insurance exists. If you have a high value collection, get it. I know people who have collections worth more than their cars, but don't carry collectible insurance.
If you equate the value of a human life with Magic cards, you need to talk to someone. Deadly force should only ever be used to defend your life against deadly force. Even suggesting someone use a deadly weapon against a theft of Magic cards is lunacy.
As for lost cards, the worst theft I ever had was 2 Glimpse the Unthinkables (when thy were $20 a piece). After that, anything worth nore than a couple dollars stays at home, and any decks I have that use those cards have proxies in them, and I make sure everyone knows they are proxies. The most expensive thing a thief would get from if he stole my entire deckbox would be the sleeves.
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Yeah, it's a Timbuk2 bag. Holds an Ultra Pro binder, 360 cube + basics, two deckboxes, wallet and dice.
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I had an entire play-set of Volcanic Islands that I was using in a deck when I went over to my friends house (and I am sure they were all in there when I went over) When I looked through the deck a few days later, I realized I only had 3 Volcanic Islands in there.
To top it off, a few months later he said in a conversation that he had sold a Volcanic Island that he forgot he had to pay for one of the decks he was currently playing.
I can't prove anything, but whenever I hang out with him, I always watch my cards.
Oh, and one of my Griselbrands when missing after I played with him another day.
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It was terrible for both of us, he just lost $3-400 worth of cards including some of mine. Luckily my friend was very cool about it and got me my GoST's back asap. I gained alot of respect for him that day.
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Even since then I position myself around the gaming table to avoid it happening again.
My girlfriend (who I had told not to do this) decided to put boxes of my cards near a radiator last winter. The heat was so high that the coating on the cards actually melted together and warped the shape of the cards
Then she left a pile of foils on a window ledge (where it was below freezing); yea, those curled up into little cracked tubes
Luckily both of those involved mostly commons and uncommons; but I lost probably 2000+ cards in total
She was going to build a shelf over the radiator to keep my rare binders; but I found all the damaged cards she had made and was able to convince her that they needed to be kept away from extreme heat or cold
In her defense at the time we were living in a tiny (200 square foot) hotel room (in a 106 year old building); we didn't have a lot of places to put things and I could have double checked which boxes had been placed near what in our storage piles, but I'd let her move the smaller boxes (like MTG cards) while I was moving the larger heavier stuff and just never thought to double check her placement of the cards until about a month later when I needed to dig for some things in those boxes
And in the grand sheme of things I did own like 50,000 cards at the time so the loss of about 2000 commons/uncommons (and some foils) was maybe $50 out of the $6000+ pile in the corner, so it could have been far worse, especially if any damage had been done to the binders.
I've sold about half of it since than (down to maybe $3000 in cards at the moment) and we've since moved to a much larger apartment where I am currently putting up a shelf system for the cards that will be very far away from any heat or cold sources
Once it was stolen I still collected a bit but didnt play socially due to moving to a new area with no local scene in the year 2000. My bad experience with the theft of my favorite deck really put me in a funk which had me sit out and not play for about 10+ years in addition to focusing on college courses and full time work with horrible hours/days off. I am finally back to playing again as of Sept of 2013 and am enjoying the game once more.
I called my roommate one day to ask about them. The girls had decided to surprise me by going through each and every one and cleaning them with rubbing alcohol... and then stacking them all back up before they dried. Luckily they were only about halfway through when I called.
Also, they threw away all my old pre-con boxes my decks were in, and the decks arrived in Ziploc freezer bags.
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I like this phrase a lot for some reason. I think it sums up the whole "living with a girl" experience.
Basically, a friend told me I could trust him (a friend which I do trust), but it turned out he was a thief and actually got sued by our local card shop (he worked there) for stealing a f*ckton of cards valuing in the many hundreds like three months later. The friend I actually did trust's mother sold all his cards while he was away at college, even though I had lent him two Grave Titans and three Jace, Memory Adepts. I am extremely uneasy about even letting close friends alone with my cards since then.
I ended up leaving a few weeks later to get back out on the road for hitchhiking to some more jobs.
His mother was up until that time a good friend, but had fallen on hard times, although I dont think near as bad as I was (She had a house and I couldnt afford to live there for long because of other issues). Anyways she told me shed keep watch over my stuff, but when I returned a couple months later, not only did she tell me to **** off and locked the door, my friend had came back about a week after that and told me all my ***** was gone. I swore up and down it was him, until his sister admitted to me that their mother had stolen all my ***** and sold it for like 7000$.
The fact that she could have sold it for at least 10k, pissed me the hell off, but also the fact that I had spent half my life aquiring my most prized possesions and never intended to sell them, even with me being in a rough spot. To this day Ive tried to sue her, but I cant prove anything, since as far as the law sees it, it was abandoned property.
That was a good 6 years ago, but it had taught me to NEVER leave anything valuable anywhere I know it isnt 110% safe.
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My friend who used to play with me back in high school kept his cards in a white deck-box. (the dollar ones from card stores)
One day, he left them on his desk and the weekly house keeper threw them out.
there were some dual lands and other stuff like a lions eye diamond back when they were worth $20 and $1 respectively.
pucatrade
big receipts
alpha mox emerald
beta time walk
4 goyfs received
3 liliana of the veil
4 karn liberated
3 force of will
4 grove of the burnwillows
snapcaster mage
3 horizon canopy
2 full art damnation