So playing against a control deck last night that ran Cryptic CommandSnapcaster MageAjani Vengeant and a whole parcel of other cards designed to lock me out of the game. I know a lot of people don't like to play against those types of decks, but I actually think it's fun and intellectually stimulating. Well as the game progresses I'm playing around his control pretty effectively and building up a good board state. He taps out to play some big threat leaving open only enough for one counter spell. I have enough to play 3 spells from my hand expecting that the first will get countered. Well I start playing and it turns out he was bluffing with the mana, he has no counter spells and he rage quits...
I can sort of understand rage quitting because someone's deck stopped you from doing what you want to do (I think it's immature but I understand it). But rage quitting as a control player?! That is quitting because someone stopped you from stopping them from doing what they want to do...
It really does boggle my mind to see a control player rage quit.
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I see it in simpler terms: if a player's deck is unable to stop the opponent's deck and that player is about to lose, he will get mad and quit, especially when he thinks he's winning but bad draws turn things around. A lost game is a lost game!
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When I read the thread title, I was fully expecting to hear about how people were rage-quitting against your control deck. Hearing that the person with the control deck rage-quit against you sounds pretty silly to me.
It really does boggle my mind to see a control player rage quit.
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It does boggle me how can a player rage quit on Magic.
It's a competitive game. The biggest part of the players will have to lose. Cope with that fact. Go to your LGS knowing this simple fact.
I can't understand how can a player with anger during games problems play a competitive game. That's why there are those MMOs and yearly generic videogames on the internet, where you almost can't lose on those, and are designed for you to pay money for the win. And hey, look at me, I'm a guy from a italian family, that rages on basically everything, got a serious disease that happens with those with big illnesses because of stress and I know that I shouldn't rage after a match of Magic, and I don't do it. If I knew the guy, I'd ask him gently to stop playing Magic, because he won't ever fit in a competitive environiment. Word of advice.
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Just like you stated in your second paragraph: it seems his deck failed at what it was designed to do, so in turn why stick it out knowing the outcome instead of wasting his own and your time. I tend to agree with what your opponent did just as long as there was a statement along the lines of "GG" then it's not as immature.
Just like you stated in your second paragraph: it seems his deck failed at what it was designed to do, so in turn why stick it out knowing the outcome instead of wasting his own and your time. I tend to agree with what your opponent did just as long as there was a statement along the lines of "GG" then it's not as immature.
Well if he had said something along the lines of "GG" it wouldn't have been a rage quit. No he just spewed some angry nonsense scooped and left.
I don't see a problem with quitting when you are hosed (although I usually play it out in case I'm not as hosed as it seems.) It's the "rage" more than the "quit" that I find silly.
Well if he had said something along the lines of "GG" it wouldn't have been a rage quit. No he just spewed some angry nonsense scooped and left.
I don't see a problem with quitting when you are hosed (although I usually play it out in case I'm not as hosed as it seems.) It's the "rage" more than the "quit" that I find silly.
I agree, especially when playing competitively. I believe knowing when to scoop, especially during game 1, is critical to having a chance to win the next 2 games and not going to time, especially if you're playing against a lock out deck. I can't tell you how many times I've come back and taken the next 2 games because I knew my sideboard could handle the deck I was playing against. Had I tried to hang in game 1 through a lost game state, I would have been hurting any chances I had to win the match.
Always know when it's time to scoop and move on to the next game.
Well if he had said something along the lines of "GG" it wouldn't have been a rage quit. No he just spewed some angry nonsense scooped and left.
I don't see a problem with quitting when you are hosed (although I usually play it out in case I'm not as hosed as it seems.) It's the "rage" more than the "quit" that I find silly.
I apologize, then. I wasn't sure if this was IRL or online. In this case though (which i have experienced too) i'm usually the kind of person to laugh in their face about it, because their actions are pretty hilarious to get so upset over 1 game. It's magic there's chance (luck depending on what side you are on), and some skill involved. There are going to be games where no matter how much skill you have your opponent had more "luck", and you're going to lose(I say luck referencing the word literally like when your opponent and you have no hand and you have a threat posing lethal next turn and they top deck the removal for your threat)
However, being an avid control player. I know it can be frustrating to lose when you've pretty much thrown every wrench you have in your deck into the opponent and they successfully get through. In the end i believe it's all personality you're always going to find that guy saying "you're a lucky piece of crap"*ragequit*, and you'll find the other people that say "welp, that's magic"*smiles and walks away*
It makes me rather upset when I am playing against someone and they rage quit. Like I understand that you prolly got unlucky with your draws but this happens to everybody at some point. What is the point of playing magic if you are just going to through a fit every time you lose.
But don't get me wrong I get a little angry sometime when I play magic but I don't let my opponent see it... I just accept the fact that the game has a lot to do with "Luck Factor".
As a control player, I feel embarrassed for you. Rage quitting is SO immature. I get much more pissed off about others rage quitting than for actually losing. In fact, losing a game doesn't get me so upset, because I acknowledge that, if I lost, then something is wrong with my deck/strategy/luck/didn't board/whatever, that the lost may have been inevitable and just go get better. Raging over a loss is so counter-productive and shuts the brain to learning with the aforementioned loss.
I know a lot of people don't like to play against those types of decks, but I actually think it's fun and intellectually stimulating.
Thanks. At least I know that I'm not alone.
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I personally think that if someone rage quits it has nothing to do with the deck he was playing. He's just a bad loser.
This, pretty much. I've been raged on by control players running everything from Enchantress to Mono-Blue Draw-Go. It's not like the stories where everyone with anger issues is a red mage.
My general philosophy is: quitting is always okay, raging is never okay. It doesn't matter how fun the game was for me or how unfun the game was for you.
I think he should have been more graceful. I usually don't rage unless others assume I'm quitting because I'm mad. I recently did a casual draft with friends and realized my deck was complete crap in the first match. I didn't want to play with it anymore after getting annihilated but they accused me of rage quitting and made me play a few more matches (it was double elimination).
as a control player, about 25% of my victories come from my opponents conceding as opposed to me actually winning, so I really don't mind when my opponents quit. If they know they're in too hard a lock for their deck to pull through, I actually prefer the concede rather than waste our time.
At times, I concede as the control players as well. Mostly only when I'm out of win conditions ad just stalling, at that point I feel like its time to concede and call it a victory I my opponent.
My first and only EDH deck, built around Arcanis the Omnipotent, has very few win conditions and mostly wins through my opponents conceding. My current W/L ratio is something like 35 Wins/11 losses, with about 30 of those wins being due to my opponents conceding. I never mind though, because a good control deck is supposed to put your opponent in a position were they have little chance to come back after having established control.
Sometimes the reverse is true, where the aggro deck puts the control deck in a position where the control player has no possible out. And if the proper response is to concede, then do so. It's completely reasonable for the control player to quit just as it is for the aggro player. It's part of the game.
That being said, I'm never upset when either player concede's, and I've never rage quit.
I see it in simpler terms: if a player's deck is unable to stop the opponent's deck and that player is about to lose, he will get mad and quit, especially when he thinks he's winning but bad draws turn things around. A lost game is a lost game!
This. Not everyone is going to be a "good sport," just like in anything else in life.
It makes me rather upset when I am playing against someone and they rage quit. Like I understand that you prolly got unlucky with your draws but this happens to everybody at some point. What is the point of playing magic if you are just going to through a fit every time you lose.
But don't get me wrong I get a little angry sometime when I play magic but I don't let my opponent see it... I just accept the fact that the game has a lot to do with "Luck Factor".
When I was rated 1925 in ELO rating, I lost 2 consecutive top 8 matches with 4CC in consecutive weeks to a sub 1600 ranked player playing Jund. Things like that tend to humble someone.
Since then, I've lost many matches to someone who I haven't considered "up to par" in playing Magic. It's rough, but it happens. Because of this, I have never "rage quit" in my life. I understand that a PART of the game is luck.
Still, recently I was really on tilt at a recent PTQ during a round 5 match. We were both 3-1, so a loss knocks one of us from top 8 contention. I kept a 3 land, 3 mana dork, Angel of Serenity hand vs. his Grixis Zombies. Nine turns later, I hadn't drawn A land and drew Grisly Salvage on the final turn. The next game, I kept a 2 land hand and drew 11 lands out of 12 draws to barely lose. I signed the slip immediately, wished him good luck, and went outside for air. I felt my face get really red (luckily my complexion is brown) and I was on tilt. I needed some time to cool off, talk to some friends, and play till the end. Myself and that very player ended on 7-2, but he was 14th place while I was 21st place, a difference of $55 store credit.
Oh well. That's Magic. Not everything is fair every time, but it tends to even out over time.
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I've "rage quit" (more liked scooped because I don't like playing with terrible magic players and a game with more capable players had a seat open) to people who just counter everything for no apparent reason in a 4 player edh game. Yes, you're very original running Tarland with 30 counters, but that doesn't mean you should counter a Dimir signet, then be able to do **** when it's the guy to your rights turn because you blew your wad already.
Then they do it again, the next turn! Nope. Not playing with you.
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By turn four or five, if you're playing against a control deck and you haven't managed to stop them from laying the brickwork for their win (which is usually some form of bounce combo or draw/tap you/untap theirs/play combo in Blue/White) , you're doomed.
You've got nothing to fear from Dimir this block. It's sad that Orzhov is a better control deck than Blue/Black is.
I've "rage quit" (more liked scooped because I don't like playing with terrible magic players and a game with more capable players had a seat open) to people who just counter everything for no apparent reason in a 4 player edh game. Yes, you're very original running Tarland with 30 counters, but that doesn't mean you should counter a Dimir signet, then be able to do **** when it's the guy to your rights turn because you blew your wad already.
Then they do it again, the next turn! Nope. Not playing with you.
Lol they don't know how to play control. Tell them to revert to turning cards sideways. If they get offended, tell them I said it, I don't give a ****.
I think rage quiting is perfectly understandable no matter who it is or what deck they play. Games are frustrating and so are opponants and sometimes you just cant deal with them anymore. Its better to just quit than to keep playing and end up flipping over a table or something. Everyone has anger and rage quits are a valid way to deal with that.
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I think rage quiting is perfectly understandable no matter who it is or what deck they play. Games are frustrating and so are opponants and sometimes you just cant deal with them anymore. Its better to just quit than to keep playing and end up flipping over a table or something. Everyone has anger and rage quits are a valid way to deal with that.
No, rage quitting isn't either understandable or valid, no matter who it is or what deck they play. One thing is to just scoop peacefully, the other is to berate the opponent because he was unable to keep advantage or was too incompetent to do so. Either way, rage quits are childish to an extreme. Whoever throws a fit whenever they lose to me will have to listen for the rest of the day what a crybaby he/she is and shouldn't/doesn't deserve to be introduced to magic at all.
As you put a question mark in the title, I can safely assume that there was no reason given to him leaving the game. It is equally plausible that he "rage quit".
On the other hand, it is wholly possible he was playtesting and read the board correctly and deduced he had no outs in his deck. Thus leaving the game to progress to his next game. Equally a testament to uncivilized communication on his part.
Whatever the reason, I don't know if this event is enough of a reason to discuss social repurcussions of rage quitting.
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I can sort of understand rage quitting because someone's deck stopped you from doing what you want to do (I think it's immature but I understand it). But rage quitting as a control player?! That is quitting because someone stopped you from stopping them from doing what they want to do...
It really does boggle my mind to see a control player rage quit.
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It does boggle me how can a player rage quit on Magic.
It's a competitive game. The biggest part of the players will have to lose. Cope with that fact. Go to your LGS knowing this simple fact.
I can't understand how can a player with anger during games problems play a competitive game. That's why there are those MMOs and yearly generic videogames on the internet, where you almost can't lose on those, and are designed for you to pay money for the win. And hey, look at me, I'm a guy from a italian family, that rages on basically everything, got a serious disease that happens with those with big illnesses because of stress and I know that I shouldn't rage after a match of Magic, and I don't do it. If I knew the guy, I'd ask him gently to stop playing Magic, because he won't ever fit in a competitive environiment. Word of advice.
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Well if he had said something along the lines of "GG" it wouldn't have been a rage quit. No he just spewed some angry nonsense scooped and left.
I don't see a problem with quitting when you are hosed (although I usually play it out in case I'm not as hosed as it seems.) It's the "rage" more than the "quit" that I find silly.
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I agree, especially when playing competitively. I believe knowing when to scoop, especially during game 1, is critical to having a chance to win the next 2 games and not going to time, especially if you're playing against a lock out deck. I can't tell you how many times I've come back and taken the next 2 games because I knew my sideboard could handle the deck I was playing against. Had I tried to hang in game 1 through a lost game state, I would have been hurting any chances I had to win the match.
Always know when it's time to scoop and move on to the next game.
I apologize, then. I wasn't sure if this was IRL or online. In this case though (which i have experienced too) i'm usually the kind of person to laugh in their face about it, because their actions are pretty hilarious to get so upset over 1 game. It's magic there's chance (luck depending on what side you are on), and some skill involved. There are going to be games where no matter how much skill you have your opponent had more "luck", and you're going to lose(I say luck referencing the word literally like when your opponent and you have no hand and you have a threat posing lethal next turn and they top deck the removal for your threat)
However, being an avid control player. I know it can be frustrating to lose when you've pretty much thrown every wrench you have in your deck into the opponent and they successfully get through. In the end i believe it's all personality you're always going to find that guy saying "you're a lucky piece of crap"*ragequit*, and you'll find the other people that say "welp, that's magic"*smiles and walks away*
But don't get me wrong I get a little angry sometime when I play magic but I don't let my opponent see it... I just accept the fact that the game has a lot to do with "Luck Factor".
If you can't win, then why keep playing other than to ascertain to yourself the fact that you can't win?
This control player was probably used to playing against bad players who are afraid of control decks.
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This, pretty much. I've been raged on by control players running everything from Enchantress to Mono-Blue Draw-Go. It's not like the stories where everyone with anger issues is a red mage.
My general philosophy is: quitting is always okay, raging is never okay. It doesn't matter how fun the game was for me or how unfun the game was for you.
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At times, I concede as the control players as well. Mostly only when I'm out of win conditions ad just stalling, at that point I feel like its time to concede and call it a victory I my opponent.
My first and only EDH deck, built around Arcanis the Omnipotent, has very few win conditions and mostly wins through my opponents conceding. My current W/L ratio is something like 35 Wins/11 losses, with about 30 of those wins being due to my opponents conceding. I never mind though, because a good control deck is supposed to put your opponent in a position were they have little chance to come back after having established control.
Sometimes the reverse is true, where the aggro deck puts the control deck in a position where the control player has no possible out. And if the proper response is to concede, then do so. It's completely reasonable for the control player to quit just as it is for the aggro player. It's part of the game.
That being said, I'm never upset when either player concede's, and I've never rage quit.
This. Not everyone is going to be a "good sport," just like in anything else in life.
When I was rated 1925 in ELO rating, I lost 2 consecutive top 8 matches with 4CC in consecutive weeks to a sub 1600 ranked player playing Jund. Things like that tend to humble someone.
Since then, I've lost many matches to someone who I haven't considered "up to par" in playing Magic. It's rough, but it happens. Because of this, I have never "rage quit" in my life. I understand that a PART of the game is luck.
Still, recently I was really on tilt at a recent PTQ during a round 5 match. We were both 3-1, so a loss knocks one of us from top 8 contention. I kept a 3 land, 3 mana dork, Angel of Serenity hand vs. his Grixis Zombies. Nine turns later, I hadn't drawn A land and drew Grisly Salvage on the final turn. The next game, I kept a 2 land hand and drew 11 lands out of 12 draws to barely lose. I signed the slip immediately, wished him good luck, and went outside for air. I felt my face get really red (luckily my complexion is brown) and I was on tilt. I needed some time to cool off, talk to some friends, and play till the end. Myself and that very player ended on 7-2, but he was 14th place while I was 21st place, a difference of $55 store credit.
Oh well. That's Magic. Not everything is fair every time, but it tends to even out over time.
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Lol they don't know how to play control. Tell them to revert to turning cards sideways. If they get offended, tell them I said it, I don't give a ****.
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No, rage quitting isn't either understandable or valid, no matter who it is or what deck they play. One thing is to just scoop peacefully, the other is to berate the opponent because he was unable to keep advantage or was too incompetent to do so. Either way, rage quits are childish to an extreme. Whoever throws a fit whenever they lose to me will have to listen for the rest of the day what a crybaby he/she is and shouldn't/doesn't deserve to be introduced to magic at all.
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On the other hand, it is wholly possible he was playtesting and read the board correctly and deduced he had no outs in his deck. Thus leaving the game to progress to his next game. Equally a testament to uncivilized communication on his part.
Whatever the reason, I don't know if this event is enough of a reason to discuss social repurcussions of rage quitting.