Recently, my friends have invited a newcomer into our playgroup. Let's just call him Jake. He seemed like an OK guy up until today. So today, my friends and I including Jake decide to play a casual free for all multiplayer match. Jake plays a mono white lifegain deck and I play Jund. Its not until later in the game that Jake's behavior really bothers me.
He is sitting at 50 life from a bunch of dudes. I decide to ping one of his guys with Olivia Voldaren and take control of one of his lifegaining walls. He reads Olivia's effect and rants how overpowered she is. I respond by saying she is very mana intensive to work. He merely shrugs off my comment and still says she should be banned. Next turn, I do the same thing and he carelessly flicks his beefed up Ajani's Pridemate to me. He mutters to his friend saying that I'm going to win despite no one having touched his life total. Next turn, I swing Olivia and Pridemate at him for around 10 damage. At the end of my turn, he says he wants to scoop and takes his cards I took with Olivia.
I eventually lose to my friends' board and he is suddenly much happier again. Jake says that he won the game for my other friend since I lost board presence without his creatures. He's laughing hysterically at how I lost. I didn't say anything to my friends and they seemed to be fine with him. Is it just me overreacting or is Jake just a sore loser?
I think he's still an OK guy. Is he a terrible guy because he plays Magic like a child?
He's definately a sore loser, but you just need to find a way to break him. The more bad match-ups and situation you pose him with, the less he will want to play, unless he adapts. He'd probably quit Magic if he ever played with me.
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Jake sounds kinda childish. I'll bet that he actually is a child.
Yes, he is being a sore loser, but it's really not that big of a deal. People feel good when then win, and they feel bad when they lose. It's only natural
You're probably playing at a completely different level than he is, and he feels overwhelmed. Some people lash out when they're in that position.
Jakes on him!!!! Sore losers happen, there was a time I lost on purpose to my wife every now and then cause she would get angry. Eventually she learned how swings in games can happen and learned just to move to the next. But that's with my wife, so...
"You should take jake out back and put a bullet in his head" /sarcasm
Sounds like your play group is made up of casual modern players. It also seems that playing multi-player modern is something that your group regularly does.
Although whining that certain cards aren't fair and should be banned, it certainly isn't a topic or an opinion reserved for "sore losers" or kids. I have a buddy, almost 40, and he still *****es when a card gets played against him that he thinks isn't fair. The difference I think in this situation is that I been friends with my buddy for almost 20 years and he likes to talk ****, so its all in good fun.
sounds like he is just being a sore loser. If he keeps that attitude up I would say something to him.
He doesn't have removal for Olivia? Seems like something white should be able to do.
Oh yes I forgot to mention. He Oblivion Ring my first Olivia. I played my second Olivia. When he decided to scoop, my Olivias died from the legendary rule and he took his creatures leaving me with an empty board.
I sat out and observed him the next game. One of my other friends played a reanimator deck and wiped the floor with him. He was really happy when he was winning in the early game since no one could touch his walls. He then became quiet when my friend played Sheoldred, Whispering One and eventually made him sac his walls.
EDIT: @Tormod he's 21 and goes to the same college as I do. Most of my playgroup attend the same college.
Jake sounds like a sore loser. He also sounds immature and vengeful. I would not want to play with him.
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This is why I started playing magic in the first place. It wasn't PT aspirations just making noobs cry by doing things that are perfectly fair.
Jakes on him!!!! Sore losers happen, there was a time I lost on purpose to my wife every now and then cause she would get angry. Eventually she learned how swings in games can happen and learned just to move to the next. But that's with my wife, so...
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When it comes to Magic, my wife is a sore loser too. I don't play with her without the intention of losing on purpose. She used to act like the game is fun. I guess that were married with kids now, means she doesn't have to pretend anymore.
Those are cards that a new player will probably under-evaluate a lot. He'll have nothing to point to as "broken"
I think he may have a grudge on me when I beat his foiled out Treefolk deck with my own Jund deck a week ago. Jund isn't a very good deck for multiplayer but it's very powerful in solo matches. He's definitely not a new player from what I've seen.
Oh yes I forgot to mention. He Oblivion Ring my first Olivia. I played my second Olivia. When he decided to scoop, my Olivias died from the legendary rule and he took his creatures leaving me with an empty board.
Actually, you won't get the Ring'd Olivia back. Though the O-Ring does leave the battlefield, its leaves-the-battlefield trigger won't be put on the stack, since that trigger's controller is no longer in the game. You'll end up with 1 Olivia on the battlefield and another permanently exiled.
I'm honestly not entirely sure how to handle the situation. He is certainly being a sore loser, but directly addressing that behavior, especially in a group of friends, can be awkward.
Sorry if it seems that way. I thought I might have been overreacting as my friends didn't notice anything unusual about his behavior.
You aren't being childish at all. Gossiping about the issue would be childish - you're clearly interested in the goodwill of the group you play with and needed advice on how to read a social situation. I think you're fine.
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IT certainly sounds like the problem is solely with him, I've been around competitive magic for a while now, and while I haven't won anything significant, I learned quickly that acting like that, playgroup or not, is uncalled for.
Honestly, i don't understand the mindset of "Card X needs to be banned, it's too broken!" That kinda happened to me when I introduced my brother to the game, and that was during Time Spiral - Lorwyn standard, and we both got the urge to compete in extended because of a PTQ in a couple of months. Boy, he certainly had a mouthful in regards to banning stuff... lol.
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I would talk to your friends and inform them about how you feel. Tell them you intend to play the same on this new guy again, and that if he throws a similar tantrum, you are going to stop playing for a bit.
They will feel it when the new guy is annoying them.
I would build a deck exclusively around ramping Olivia into play early game and play it against him every time. I am kind of an ass so that should be taken into account. To keep OT.. He sounds like a douche bag
I have to agree. The only person I've ever played against who resembles this behavior was a kid. Even the kid is more mature than this now (his Dad plays too and has been helping him improve).
I want to thank everyone for their thoughts on this matter. I think its best if I do nothing except avoid playing with him if possible or at least until my other friends take notice. Confronting him in front of my friends will be extremely difficult and may damage how my friends see me. Thanks again.
Sounds like someone from my group. We were playing 4 player FFA EDH. I'm playing a very lightly modified Mimeoplasm, to my right was a Jor-Kadeem, to my left was Kaalia, and across was Scion. I get out a turn 2 Nezumi Graverobber. Turn 3 I attack the Scion deck, specifically because he says he is going to target me since my deck completely hoses his. I end up flipping the Graverobber turn 4, and swing at Scion for 4, at which point he scoops because I am only targetting him.
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He is sitting at 50 life from a bunch of dudes. I decide to ping one of his guys with Olivia Voldaren and take control of one of his lifegaining walls. He reads Olivia's effect and rants how overpowered she is. I respond by saying she is very mana intensive to work. He merely shrugs off my comment and still says she should be banned. Next turn, I do the same thing and he carelessly flicks his beefed up Ajani's Pridemate to me. He mutters to his friend saying that I'm going to win despite no one having touched his life total. Next turn, I swing Olivia and Pridemate at him for around 10 damage. At the end of my turn, he says he wants to scoop and takes his cards I took with Olivia.
I eventually lose to my friends' board and he is suddenly much happier again. Jake says that he won the game for my other friend since I lost board presence without his creatures. He's laughing hysterically at how I lost. I didn't say anything to my friends and they seemed to be fine with him. Is it just me overreacting or is Jake just a sore loser?
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If I were you I would stop playing with Jake.
He doesn't have removal for Olivia? Seems like something white should be able to do.
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He's definately a sore loser, but you just need to find a way to break him. The more bad match-ups and situation you pose him with, the less he will want to play, unless he adapts. He'd probably quit Magic if he ever played with me.
Legacy:
RWBG Goblins
RRR Burn
WBU Affinity
UBR Sac-Land Tendrils!
BBBPox
Next possible deck: D&T, but that just wouldn't be right.
Modern: R Goblins (work in progress)
Standard: I only care about standard when Goblins is a deck.
Limited: I only care about limited when Goblins are in the set.
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Yes, he is being a sore loser, but it's really not that big of a deal. People feel good when then win, and they feel bad when they lose. It's only natural
You're probably playing at a completely different level than he is, and he feels overwhelmed. Some people lash out when they're in that position.
Sounds like your play group is made up of casual modern players. It also seems that playing multi-player modern is something that your group regularly does.
Although whining that certain cards aren't fair and should be banned, it certainly isn't a topic or an opinion reserved for "sore losers" or kids. I have a buddy, almost 40, and he still *****es when a card gets played against him that he thinks isn't fair. The difference I think in this situation is that I been friends with my buddy for almost 20 years and he likes to talk ****, so its all in good fun.
OP: How old you are you guys?
Oh yes I forgot to mention. He Oblivion Ring my first Olivia. I played my second Olivia. When he decided to scoop, my Olivias died from the legendary rule and he took his creatures leaving me with an empty board.
I sat out and observed him the next game. One of my other friends played a reanimator deck and wiped the floor with him. He was really happy when he was winning in the early game since no one could touch his walls. He then became quiet when my friend played Sheoldred, Whispering One and eventually made him sac his walls.
EDIT: @Tormod he's 21 and goes to the same college as I do. Most of my playgroup attend the same college.
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Hey!
When it comes to Magic, my wife is a sore loser too. I don't play with her without the intention of losing on purpose. She used to act like the game is fun. I guess that were married with kids now, means she doesn't have to pretend anymore.
"Wow honey you beat me again"
Run cards like thragtusk, blightning, liliana's spectre, flametongue kavu, skinrender, gatekeeper of malakir, necratal, etc...
Those are cards that a new player will probably under-evaluate a lot. He'll have nothing to point to as "broken"
I think he may have a grudge on me when I beat his foiled out Treefolk deck with my own Jund deck a week ago. Jund isn't a very good deck for multiplayer but it's very powerful in solo matches. He's definitely not a new player from what I've seen.
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I'm honestly not entirely sure how to handle the situation. He is certainly being a sore loser, but directly addressing that behavior, especially in a group of friends, can be awkward.
Sorry if it seems that way. I thought I might have been overreacting as my friends didn't notice anything unusual about his behavior.
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You aren't being childish at all. Gossiping about the issue would be childish - you're clearly interested in the goodwill of the group you play with and needed advice on how to read a social situation. I think you're fine.
Honestly, i don't understand the mindset of "Card X needs to be banned, it's too broken!" That kinda happened to me when I introduced my brother to the game, and that was during Time Spiral - Lorwyn standard, and we both got the urge to compete in extended because of a PTQ in a couple of months. Boy, he certainly had a mouthful in regards to banning stuff... lol.
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