I saw a card with a red stamp that said SCG on it and was told that Starcity stamps cards from drafts. This practice seems terrible. Lowers the value of the card instantly. So why does this act happen? Why not have everyone fill out a deck list like they do for constructed rather then permanently damage the cards?
I doubt it lowers the value of the card, and I'm sure some people seek them out rather then a non marked card.
Some people might like that stamp, but overall the card can no longer ever be call near mint. It could be in pristine condition but be called slightly played at best due to residue damage on the card.
They stamp draft sealed cards at GPs and PTs as well.
Its done to discourage cheating.
I suppose it is just me but I would never pay money for a draft if I knew any cards I got from it would be damaged like that. The deck list will cut down on cheating just as well.
Some people might like that stamp, but overall the card can no longer ever be call near mint. It could be in pristine condition but be called slightly played at best due to residue damage on the card.
If you play it in the tournament anyway it would be considered slightly played right?
Since you just slightly played with the card, or am I missing something here, why are you crying about this especially when you aren't even playing in one?
They stamp draft sealed cards at GPs and PTs as well.
Its done to discourage cheating.
I played in the sealed main event event at GP: Philly, and the cards were certainly not stamped or altered in any way.
You were given a pool to open and register, then you put the cards and the registraiton slip in a plastic bag, everyon gave thier bag to another person, that person checked the deck registraiton and then put it back in the bag you passed a few more times, and then you built with the cards you ended up with.
I also played in a sealed side event and two draft side events and none of the cards were stamped or marked.
There's a large difference between not needing to mark cards for a sealed pool that is registered -> passed -> confirmed -> recieved, and a draft where trying to track down who drafts which card on every pick is much more difficult.
I hate cheaters and if one of the ways to do it is to stamp cards, then so be it.
I'm fairly certain they do this at day 2s of GPs and definitely at pro tours. I've never heard of it at SCG Opens but it wouldn't surprise me.
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I just want people who redraft to admit this:
"I can't draft objectively unless I am able to guarantee that I receive at least 3 rares. I am also better than most average/new players so I want to make sure that I get the best rares and they end up with worse ones. I care more about the monetary value of cards than actually playing the game for decent prizes."
They only do it for drafts at SCG. I know a bunch of people in the KC area are always looking for stamped cards and field decks with stamped cards all the time.
I suppose it is just me but I would never pay money for a draft if I knew any cards I got from it would be damaged like that. The deck list will cut down on cheating just as well.
Well, you can always just stick to lgs-level comp. That sort of thing is usually only done at something like nats, and if you quialify for something like that, I extremely doubt you'll go "well, I won't play nats because my draft card will get damaged!"
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I saw a card with a red stamp that said SCG on it and was told that Starcity stamps cards from drafts. This practice seems terrible. Lowers the value of the card instantly. So why does this act happen? Why not have everyone fill out a deck list like they do for constructed rather then permanently damage the cards?
We only do this at Draft Opens (the ones with a large prize pool), and it is a commonly-used tool at high-level Wizards events to discourge or eliminate cheating by adding cards to a draft pool.
You will not get "SCG" stamped cards in any normal SCG event (8-man drafts, etc) - only specifically Draft Open events.
I played in the sealed main event event at GP: Philly, and the cards were certainly not stamped or altered in any way.
You were given a pool to open and register, then you put the cards and the registraiton slip in a plastic bag, everyon gave thier bag to another person, that person checked the deck registraiton and then put it back in the bag you passed a few more times, and then you built with the cards you ended up with.
I also played in a sealed side event and two draft side events and none of the cards were stamped or marked.
day 2 draft pools were. Stamping an entire GP of sealed pools is way too much
I played in the sealed main event event at GP: Philly, and the cards were certainly not stamped or altered in any way.
You were given a pool to open and register, then you put the cards and the registraiton slip in a plastic bag, everyon gave thier bag to another person, that person checked the deck registraiton and then put it back in the bag you passed a few more times, and then you built with the cards you ended up with.
I also played in a sealed side event and two draft side events and none of the cards were stamped or marked.
Stamping is only done for Professional level events. IE the Day 2 portion of a GP, not Day 1.
I played in the sealed main event event at GP: Philly, and the cards were certainly not stamped or altered in any way.
You were given a pool to open and register, then you put the cards and the registraiton slip in a plastic bag, everyon gave thier bag to another person, that person checked the deck registraiton and then put it back in the bag you passed a few more times, and then you built with the cards you ended up with.
I also played in a sealed side event and two draft side events and none of the cards were stamped or marked.
The Rules enforcement jumps from 32K on Day 1 To 48K on Day 2 I believe.
As a result, Day 2 of GPs are basically enforced like Pro Tours and Draft pools must be stamped.
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I played in the sealed main event event at GP: Philly, and the cards were certainly not stamped or altered in any way.
You were given a pool to open and register, then you put the cards and the registration slip in a plastic bag, everyone gave their bag to another person, that person checked the deck registration and then put it back in the bag you passed a few more times, and then you built with the cards you ended up with.
I also played in a sealed side event and two draft side events and none of the cards were stamped or marked.
Did you make day 2? Usually they dont bother with day one since it would be tons more work, day 2 has a set number of people and a set number of needed product. Also top 8 drafts get stamped, every card in the top 8 draft at GP Indy was stamped, as i watched from near the table.
Well seems if i had read a little further then I would see that pretty much everyone had this covered lol.
The Rules enforcement jumps from 32K on Day 1 To 48K on Day 2 I believe.
As a result, Day 2 of GPs are basically enforced like Pro Tours and Draft pools must be stamped.
K values affected the rating impacts of each match under the old ELO rating system. They were tangentially connected to rules enforcement levels, but there have always been separate K values and RELs. For example, 8 and 16 K could be run by any organizer & didn't need a certified judge, and could (or had) to be run at REL 1. K values higher than that required progressively higher level certified head judges & higher levels of rules enforcement. There's no such thing as a K value anymore; it's been replaced by the planeswalker points multiplier.
GPs are run at Competitive REL on day 1 & Professional on day 2. Draft and sealed pools aren't stamped on Day 1 of a GP because it would take weeks for the tournament staff to open 5,000+ packs, strip out and replace foils with commons, and stamp the cards.
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the stamps vary, at least for WOTC events, I'm not sure if SCG uses the same one, and it only decreases values if you go to dealers, or you find people trying to snipe a deal from you, also usually depends on card, I picked up and moved a stamped huntmaster for full value, so unless you get the guy who is going to devalue your card so he can trade it higher you should be fine
At Grand Prix Philadelphia, my Day Two draft stamps were various: star, box-star, rabbit, sun, and teapot. I kept the relevant cards but dumped the rest (have far too many commons).
Personally, I would prefer nonstamped cards for personal use, but I don't mind it--it's definitely fine for high-level events.
You pay a huge premium to participate in these draft opens at SCG, and they take out the foils to sell. Always makes me feel just a little but cheated.
You pay a huge premium to participate in these draft opens at SCG, and they take out the foils to sell. Always makes me feel just a little but cheated.
So does every TO that runs a GP. There are no foils in professional level drafts. That way every pack has a proper common, uncommon, rare ratio.
Side events still have foils, you just rip open and draft those packs.
So does every TO that runs a GP. There are no foils in professional level drafts. That way every pack has a proper common, uncommon, rare ratio.
Side events still have foils, you just rip open and draft those packs.
Do they just remove the foil completely so that it becomes a 14 card pack?
Or do they replace the foil with a regular version of the card (such that it's still the original 15 included cards)
Or do they replace the foil with a card of their choice that would give the overall pack the correct rarity distribution? If this is the case, do they have a fixed common, a fixed uncommon, and a fixed rare that they'd always put in place of the foil?
Do they just remove the foil completely so that it becomes a 14 card pack?
Or do they replace the foil with a regular version of the card (such that it's still the original 15 included cards)
Or do they replace the foil with a card of their choice that would give the overall pack the correct rarity distribution? If this is the case, do they have a fixed common, a fixed uncommon, and a fixed rare that they'd always put in place of the foil?
The foil always takes place of a common from the pack. They put a random common back into the pack and take the foils out, making all packs the same as ones without foils.
Some people might like that stamp, but overall the card can no longer ever be call near mint. It could be in pristine condition but be called slightly played at best due to residue damage on the card.
I have never heard of anyone doing this ever.
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Its done to discourage cheating.
I suppose it is just me but I would never pay money for a draft if I knew any cards I got from it would be damaged like that. The deck list will cut down on cheating just as well.
I saw multiple people at the last Minneapolis SCG Open that had full decks with stamps on it from tournaments.
If you play it in the tournament anyway it would be considered slightly played right?
Since you just slightly played with the card, or am I missing something here, why are you crying about this especially when you aren't even playing in one?
I played in the sealed main event event at GP: Philly, and the cards were certainly not stamped or altered in any way.
You were given a pool to open and register, then you put the cards and the registraiton slip in a plastic bag, everyon gave thier bag to another person, that person checked the deck registraiton and then put it back in the bag you passed a few more times, and then you built with the cards you ended up with.
I also played in a sealed side event and two draft side events and none of the cards were stamped or marked.
I hate cheaters and if one of the ways to do it is to stamp cards, then so be it.
I'm fairly certain they do this at day 2s of GPs and definitely at pro tours. I've never heard of it at SCG Opens but it wouldn't surprise me.
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Well, you can always just stick to lgs-level comp. That sort of thing is usually only done at something like nats, and if you quialify for something like that, I extremely doubt you'll go "well, I won't play nats because my draft card will get damaged!"
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We only do this at Draft Opens (the ones with a large prize pool), and it is a commonly-used tool at high-level Wizards events to discourge or eliminate cheating by adding cards to a draft pool.
You will not get "SCG" stamped cards in any normal SCG event (8-man drafts, etc) - only specifically Draft Open events.
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day 2 draft pools were. Stamping an entire GP of sealed pools is way too much
Stamping is only done for Professional level events. IE the Day 2 portion of a GP, not Day 1.
The Rules enforcement jumps from 32K on Day 1 To 48K on Day 2 I believe.
As a result, Day 2 of GPs are basically enforced like Pro Tours and Draft pools must be stamped.
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Did you make day 2? Usually they dont bother with day one since it would be tons more work, day 2 has a set number of people and a set number of needed product. Also top 8 drafts get stamped, every card in the top 8 draft at GP Indy was stamped, as i watched from near the table.
Well seems if i had read a little further then I would see that pretty much everyone had this covered lol.
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K values affected the rating impacts of each match under the old ELO rating system. They were tangentially connected to rules enforcement levels, but there have always been separate K values and RELs. For example, 8 and 16 K could be run by any organizer & didn't need a certified judge, and could (or had) to be run at REL 1. K values higher than that required progressively higher level certified head judges & higher levels of rules enforcement. There's no such thing as a K value anymore; it's been replaced by the planeswalker points multiplier.
GPs are run at Competitive REL on day 1 & Professional on day 2. Draft and sealed pools aren't stamped on Day 1 of a GP because it would take weeks for the tournament staff to open 5,000+ packs, strip out and replace foils with commons, and stamp the cards.
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Personally, I would prefer nonstamped cards for personal use, but I don't mind it--it's definitely fine for high-level events.
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So does every TO that runs a GP. There are no foils in professional level drafts. That way every pack has a proper common, uncommon, rare ratio.
Side events still have foils, you just rip open and draft those packs.
Do they just remove the foil completely so that it becomes a 14 card pack?
Or do they replace the foil with a regular version of the card (such that it's still the original 15 included cards)
Or do they replace the foil with a card of their choice that would give the overall pack the correct rarity distribution? If this is the case, do they have a fixed common, a fixed uncommon, and a fixed rare that they'd always put in place of the foil?
The foil always takes place of a common from the pack. They put a random common back into the pack and take the foils out, making all packs the same as ones without foils.