I have zero issue with someone offering a handshake, win or lose, but saying "good game" isn't always appropriate. Saying "good luck in the next round" or something like that is fine though.
I mostly just think it is weird. I almost never offer a handshake or say 'good game'.
If you win and offer to shake my hand or say good game and it wasn't a good game I will tear into you.
You drafted a crap deck and I got stuck on 3 lands the whole game and you Destroy the Evidenced 1 of my 3 lands? You say 'good game'...don't expect me to take that sitting down.
I only ever handshake/gg when the game was actually a good, close, interesting game.
I may not use the exact phrase "good game," but I am always polite after a match. If I had a blowout win because my opponent got mana screwed or I just happened to draw a perfect hand for my deck to win, I will acknowledge that, not condescendingly, but hey sometimes you just get unlucky. It happens to everyone. If you really can't take losing a game, or a match, to the point where you have to be a jerk to your opponent, well then IMO you need to stick to playing online.
Generally speaking it should be up to the loser to offer the handshake/the gg. If they have some particularly bad draws or feel like it's a one sided matchup, they might feel a bit bad about the whole thing and the winner offering it can feel like they're rubbing it in.
Now, that said, I'll do it on winning if it was obviously a great game, lots of back and forth and whatever. But generally if I win a stomp I think it's good manners to not rub it in your opponents face.
I expect this post to not be received well by players who don't think like this. It sounds both elitist and insecure. If you enjoy this game for different reasons, that's totally fine. I just ask that you respect the set of players who most enjoy the competitive nature. Fighting your way to the top IS fun. Then you can back up your ego with evidence.
So, I'm approaching this as objectively as I can. I'm a spike. I was born a Spike, If I'm not in the top of my field or hobby I feel like a failure. It's who I am. Perfection is good enough, mostly.
However, I say Good game and extend my hand every single time without fail. It's how I was raised. I'm not commenting on the quality of the game, I'm commenting on the quality of the player.
To me there's something almost sacred about competition. "a good clean fight" if you will. Boxers moments before beating the snot out of each other touch their gloves together in a sign of readiness and respect. Many of them will touch gloves again at the end of rounds.
The point I'm trying to make, is that I think your perceiving some kind of attack where none is present. It does sound insecure. In my opinion nothing ruins a game faster than my opponent pouting because they lost. It's not fair to me frankly. A win is a win, making excuses like "screw" flood" etc (while sometimes true) cheapens the entire experience.
I have been reading around, and am wondering, if I win, is it rude/cocky to extend my arm for a handshake? I do it as a reflex now, win or lose, but I'd like to know if my opponent cares. Thanks in advance.
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If we played together at a tournament. And you won. I'd really appreciate it if you would extend a Milkshake. Cookies and Cream please.
I'm one of those weird people at FNM who always shakes after game 1 and after the match...
Also, I'll admit, sometimes I can get ragey, like....
I play a Splinterfright deck in standard, because RestoTusk Entreat the Damned Terminus.format is sooo boring IMO, right now at least, and there is only FNM that I can play currently.
So it was round 3 game 3, we're both 2-0, I'm at 5 life, and I have him dead on board in 2 turns, b/c his blocker, but dead immediately if I Dungeon Giests his blocker (a Guttersnipe, btw).
SO, I decide to be dumb and cast the Dungeon Geists precombat to tap down his Guttersnipe. He taps 4 mana and casts Essence Backlash, to kill me. I raged a little bit because, well, he was mainboarding a four mana counterspell, and I lost to it ... d:
Then I kinda shook my head, and extended my hand for the "GG".
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I don't offer handshakes because it's not my personality, but I'm not opposed to them if someone else offers them. I will be polite and talk about the match, say my GGs every time. I don't get mad about the game, at best just irritated at my own mistakes/getting screwed by something.
I will only snap at people for acting weird, antisocial, and/or being rude, which to be honest comes up quite a bit.
And I think it's quite immature to take out your anger about what you perceive to be a bad game on your opponent just because they were trying to be polite.
i always say something along the lines of good game and offer a handshake ... even moreso when someone is being a sore looser or an arrogrant winner ... (i often times will remind them that i play the game for fun)
i also talk and joke around with the player while playing if they are the social type ... if they are not i just sit there quietly and smile, then answer questions about a card in play if they ask it ...
to me magic is more about the social interaction then who wins or looses ... even last night at FNM ... i went 3 - 1 and got third ... the last game of the last round he was up by one .. and then was getting mana screwed. (was playing blue white control ...) i was playing RDW and was getting flooded ... we joked about trading lands with each other and seeing if that would help ...
Every game of Magic is a good game. Just because it didn't meet your expectation of how the game should have played out does not mean it was not a good game.
I thought we were talking about Magic--not Super Mario Kart.
Do you shake the hand of your opponent when he uses nothing but Sand Attack in Pokemon Stadium? No, because that doesn't make it a good game...you spit in his sippy cup and insult his mother. The only difference in Magic when he smiles and reaches over to shake your hand/pat your back/sing you the song of his people is that you spit in his Mountain Dew and insult his hentai pillow case.
I thought we were talking about Magic--not Super Mario Kart.
Do you shake the hand of your opponent when he uses nothing but Sand Attack in Pokemon Stadium? No, because that doesn't make it a good game...you spit in his sippy cup and insult his mother. The only difference in Magic when he smiles and reaches over to shake your hand/pat your back/sing you the song of his people is that you spit in his Mountain Dew and insult his hentai pillow case.
I sincerely hope this is your attempt at trolling. You're gonna get nowhere in life assuming the worst of people/acting like a dick.
If it's a situation where someone is in a "feels bad" position like having just been mana screwed/flooded, I'll usually lead with "sorry about the luck" and then follow with "but they were good games anyway." I try to make it obvious that I understand the tone of the encounter instead of just using a default action or tone and getting miffed when the other person is irritated at my comment.
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I sincerely hope this is your attempt at trolling. You're gonna get nowhere in life assuming the worst of people/acting like a dick.
"You sincerely hope" I'm trolling? You mean, you don't actually know whether or not I'm being serious? Lighten up, son.
Look, I'll offer a handshake if it was a sincerely excellent game...but what is and isn't a good game is a matter of opinion. I'm not going to show gratitude towards my opponent if he kicks my teeth in. I'll just move on.
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If that's your "casual," what on earth is required for "formal," a butler in livery shuffling the decks whilst a pianist plays Brahms in front of a tapestry?
Magic isn't baseball. Because the game usually ends by concession, offering a handshake not only means "good game" but also "this game is over." The conventions change a bit:
1. Always accept a handshake when you're offered one.
2. Always offer a handshake when you lose.
3. Never offer a handshake when you win. That's the loser's prerogative.
You played JESUS?!?! I heard none of his guys stay in the graveyard, and once you think you have him beat he ALWAYS comes back to win within three turns. I like...WORSHIP him.
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Now, that said, I'll do it on winning if it was obviously a great game, lots of back and forth and whatever. But generally if I win a stomp I think it's good manners to not rub it in your opponents face.
So, I'm approaching this as objectively as I can. I'm a spike. I was born a Spike, If I'm not in the top of my field or hobby I feel like a failure. It's who I am. Perfection is good enough, mostly.
However, I say Good game and extend my hand every single time without fail. It's how I was raised. I'm not commenting on the quality of the game, I'm commenting on the quality of the player.
To me there's something almost sacred about competition. "a good clean fight" if you will. Boxers moments before beating the snot out of each other touch their gloves together in a sign of readiness and respect. Many of them will touch gloves again at the end of rounds.
The point I'm trying to make, is that I think your perceiving some kind of attack where none is present. It does sound insecure. In my opinion nothing ruins a game faster than my opponent pouting because they lost. It's not fair to me frankly. A win is a win, making excuses like "screw" flood" etc (while sometimes true) cheapens the entire experience.
If we played together at a tournament. And you won. I'd really appreciate it if you would extend a Milkshake. Cookies and Cream please.
Also, I'll admit, sometimes I can get ragey, like....
I play a Splinterfright deck in standard, because RestoTusk Entreat the Damned Terminus.format is sooo boring IMO, right now at least, and there is only FNM that I can play currently.
So it was round 3 game 3, we're both 2-0, I'm at 5 life, and I have him dead on board in 2 turns, b/c his blocker, but dead immediately if I Dungeon Giests his blocker (a Guttersnipe, btw).
SO, I decide to be dumb and cast the Dungeon Geists precombat to tap down his Guttersnipe. He taps 4 mana and casts Essence Backlash, to kill me. I raged a little bit because, well, he was mainboarding a four mana counterspell, and I lost to it ... d:
Then I kinda shook my head, and extended my hand for the "GG".
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I will only snap at people for acting weird, antisocial, and/or being rude, which to be honest comes up quite a bit.
And I think it's quite immature to take out your anger about what you perceive to be a bad game on your opponent just because they were trying to be polite.
i also talk and joke around with the player while playing if they are the social type ... if they are not i just sit there quietly and smile, then answer questions about a card in play if they ask it ...
to me magic is more about the social interaction then who wins or looses ... even last night at FNM ... i went 3 - 1 and got third ... the last game of the last round he was up by one .. and then was getting mana screwed. (was playing blue white control ...) i was playing RDW and was getting flooded ... we joked about trading lands with each other and seeing if that would help ...
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I thought we were talking about Magic--not Super Mario Kart.
Do you shake the hand of your opponent when he uses nothing but Sand Attack in Pokemon Stadium? No, because that doesn't make it a good game...you spit in his sippy cup and insult his mother. The only difference in Magic when he smiles and reaches over to shake your hand/pat your back/sing you the song of his people is that you spit in his Mountain Dew and insult his hentai pillow case.
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Yeah totally because one is just a silly game and the other is serious business....
oh no wait, they're both just games. Hmph.
I sincerely hope this is your attempt at trolling. You're gonna get nowhere in life assuming the worst of people/acting like a dick.
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See I think that's fine, that's an acceptable middle ground. It's certainly better than throwing a fit or being rude like most players these days.
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"You sincerely hope" I'm trolling? You mean, you don't actually know whether or not I'm being serious? Lighten up, son.
Look, I'll offer a handshake if it was a sincerely excellent game...but what is and isn't a good game is a matter of opinion. I'm not going to show gratitude towards my opponent if he kicks my teeth in. I'll just move on.
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1. Always accept a handshake when you're offered one.
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