Had one player who thought there was no functional difference between Poisonous and Infect. He thought that the three slivers he hit with with a total Power of 10 with the Virulent Sliver on the board was an insta-kill. I told him to read again, and even with the writing on the cards, he argued for a half an hour.
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When I first started playing, I argued with my buddy that Beast of Burden didn't count itself as a creature. He must have asked me 100 times, "is Beast of Burden a creature in play?" I still felt the need to argue. It's funny to look back on and laugh, but I can't deny how bull headed and stupid I was being.
Had one player who thought there was no functional difference between Poisonous and Infect. He thought that the three slivers he hit with with a total Power of 10 with the Virulent Sliver on the board was an insta-kill. I told him to read again, and even with the writing on the cards, he argued for a half an hour.
Ah, good old poisonous. Infect really does make it confusing for both new and old players alike. I'll admit for a while I never noticed that it worked differently myself. Though considering I started tournament play a month or so after Besieged and I had had so many misconceptions coming into the scene, it's not too hard to miss something like that I guess.
Had a guy argue the other week that if the target of an O-Ring's ETB trigger became an illegal target (by changing zones, in this example), he got to choose a new target "because it's not like targeting with a spell and that's how they ruled it last time I played with my friends at a different store, we even looked it up!". He argued this for about 10 minutes before the judge finally found and showed him the relevant comp rules.
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I played with a guy who played off and on since Unlimited. He only owned older copies of Control Magic which explicitly stated you would lose control of the creature when Control Magic was destroyed or at the end of a game.
Because of this, he was convinced Krovikan Whispers let you keep the creature even if the aura was destroyed. But he did not think Krovikan Whispers would exchange legal ownership of creatures after a game. So his misconception was not even internally consistent.
I traded for a more recent of copy of Control Magic, that finally put it to rest.
I only have one and it is pretty asinine
"You can only use a damage prevention/redirection effect if the source would take damage"
In other words, in order to activate Nomads-en-kor, damage has to going to be dealt to it.... she even got her "judge friend" to tell her im wrong....
Yea, im wrong about a deck that has tournament standings and one that countless judges have seen and not said it was illegal...
This isn't particularly asinine, just archaic - that's the way it actually used to work when the card was printed. Before sixth edition, there was a damage prevention step during spell resolution, and that's when Nomads en-Kor used to do its job.
I once saw someone who thought Redirect allowed you to make a spell target any number of legal targets. (As in, he thought Murder+Redirect = destroy any number of target creatures.) Not sure where that came from, but I saw it happen before.
- When your opponent casts a creature spell, kill it with a Lightning Bolt before it resolves (so that it won't trigger any ETB effects).
- Insist that if a non-creature permanent becomes a creature (such as Treetop Village), it has summoning sickness because you haven't controlled that creature from the beginning of your turn.
- Insist that you can rearrange your graveyard (the rules say so!) even if you are playing with cards that care about graveyard order (such as Volrath's Shapeshifter).
- And of course: Insist that "protection from" protects from something else besides D.E.B.T.
1 and 3 are silly, but I can understand 4. What do you mean Knight of Infamy is killed by Wrath of God, asks the new player. Protection from white just sounds like it should protect them from everything white even if the reminder text (on cards that have it) says otherwise.
2 is true. If I make a treetop village into a creature the turn it comes in then it has summoning sickness. Unless you meant, it was already in a turn and then creature-fied. I've seen that sort of thing happen.
If you animate the Treetop Village on the turn it comes into play, yes, it has summoning sickness. Similarly, if you use Koth of the Hammer to animate a freshly played Mountain into a 4/4 elemental, then it also has summoning sickness. It is important to keep that freshly played land away from any that can animate this turn to swing for damage.
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When me and my friend picked up the game for the first time, we thought damage stayed on creatures permeanatly..man those were some intense games.
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I'm affiliating with who ever deals more Poison counters, unless the other side uses more Purple mana that is. Then again I guess I'll go with the side that has better Riggers, I have a feeling Contraptions will play a big part this block.
I've seen lots of people who think Regeneration goes to the graveyard then comes back (most think it is immediate, rather than something you can pay for turns later).
Players still have trouble with the "one an ability is activated, it remains on the stack even if its source is destroyed" rule. Thankfully, the two Prodigal Pyromancers/Sorcerers killing each other example is usually able to make them understand.
At the prerelease this weekend someone thought you could cast Cremate with no cards in any graveyard then tried to argue the point when I explained the difference between casting and resolving when it came to having legal targets.
Years ago, I had to explain to some players that Sundering Titan destroyed one land of each basic land type, not all lands of one basic land type.
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Yes, that's what I meant. As I said, "it has summoning sickness because you haven't controlled that creature from the beginning of your turn" (not "that permanent").
Thinking that summoning sickness refers to the creature rather than to the permanent is a common mistake.
That would kinda defeat the point of Manlands, as they would never be able to attack. Makes Raging Ravine's ability pretty useless.
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My brother and started playing back when Revised came out and played one day before we quit. Thankfully we still collected the cards, but it was a few months before we met someone else who played and explained to us that you in fact didn't have to sacrifice lands to generate mana...
Had a friend who thought Breaking Point and friends did both effects, unless your opponent also had a copy in their hand, in which case it wouldn't do the damage but still did the other effect. Luckily, he wasn't stubborn about it when I explained how it really worked. He kinda went "Oh! That makes sense. Thought that seemed a little too good."
Yeah that one got me and my group as well. For a time we all had a couple of copies of Book Burning no matter what color we were playing just to say, see it's in my hand.
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Another I got is when using the ability of Kuldotha Forgemaster sacrificing himself to fetch out a Darksteel Forge my opponent decided to destroy it in response. Saying, I could still use the ability but I'd have to pick another artifact to sacrifice. I tried to explain to him that there was no Kuldotha Forgemaster to target because I had already sacrificed him as part of the cost (and costs don't use the stack). He went on about how he knows because he's encountered that scenario so many times in tournaments, and has had judges agree with him. I stood my ground and beat a very grumbly opponent next turn.
One that's really wierd just for the number of times it's happened (6 in the last 2 weeks). People keep asking me if I'm going to return my Bottled Cloister to my hand at the start of my upkeep. "return all cards you own exiled with Bottled Cloister to your hand"
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Ah, good old poisonous. Infect really does make it confusing for both new and old players alike. I'll admit for a while I never noticed that it worked differently myself. Though considering I started tournament play a month or so after Besieged and I had had so many misconceptions coming into the scene, it's not too hard to miss something like that I guess.
Had a guy argue the other week that if the target of an O-Ring's ETB trigger became an illegal target (by changing zones, in this example), he got to choose a new target "because it's not like targeting with a spell and that's how they ruled it last time I played with my friends at a different store, we even looked it up!". He argued this for about 10 minutes before the judge finally found and showed him the relevant comp rules.
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Because of this, he was convinced Krovikan Whispers let you keep the creature even if the aura was destroyed. But he did not think Krovikan Whispers would exchange legal ownership of creatures after a game. So his misconception was not even internally consistent.
I traded for a more recent of copy of Control Magic, that finally put it to rest.
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This isn't particularly asinine, just archaic - that's the way it actually used to work when the card was printed. Before sixth edition, there was a damage prevention step during spell resolution, and that's when Nomads en-Kor used to do its job.
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1 and 3 are silly, but I can understand 4. What do you mean Knight of Infamy is killed by Wrath of God, asks the new player. Protection from white just sounds like it should protect them from everything white even if the reminder text (on cards that have it) says otherwise.
2 is true. If I make a treetop village into a creature the turn it comes in then it has summoning sickness. Unless you meant, it was already in a turn and then creature-fied. I've seen that sort of thing happen.
Standard:
WBRG Aggro-Reanimator Humans GRBW
Modern:
UR Twinning RU
G Venus Fly Trap G
U Artifacts Aggro U
Legacy:
B Reanimator B
WU Stoneblade UW
EDH
WBGGhave, Guru of SporesGBW
URGRiku of the Two ReflectionsGRU
WUBRGScion of the Ur-DragonGRBUW
Casual
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I've seen lots of people who think Regeneration goes to the graveyard then comes back (most think it is immediate, rather than something you can pay for turns later).
Players still have trouble with the "one an ability is activated, it remains on the stack even if its source is destroyed" rule. Thankfully, the two Prodigal Pyromancers/Sorcerers killing each other example is usually able to make them understand.
At the prerelease this weekend someone thought you could cast Cremate with no cards in any graveyard then tried to argue the point when I explained the difference between casting and resolving when it came to having legal targets.
Years ago, I had to explain to some players that Sundering Titan destroyed one land of each basic land type, not all lands of one basic land type.
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That would kinda defeat the point of Manlands, as they would never be able to attack. Makes Raging Ravine's ability pretty useless.
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My brother and started playing back when Revised came out and played one day before we quit. Thankfully we still collected the cards, but it was a few months before we met someone else who played and explained to us that you in fact didn't have to sacrifice lands to generate mana...
That made a BIG difference.
Yeah that one got me and my group as well. For a time we all had a couple of copies of Book Burning no matter what color we were playing just to say, see it's in my hand.
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Most of the strangest rules interpretations I've experienced have happened recently. There are a couple in my thread "Was I too Harsh?"
Another I got is when using the ability of Kuldotha Forgemaster sacrificing himself to fetch out a Darksteel Forge my opponent decided to destroy it in response. Saying, I could still use the ability but I'd have to pick another artifact to sacrifice. I tried to explain to him that there was no Kuldotha Forgemaster to target because I had already sacrificed him as part of the cost (and costs don't use the stack). He went on about how he knows because he's encountered that scenario so many times in tournaments, and has had judges agree with him. I stood my ground and beat a very grumbly opponent next turn.
One that's really wierd just for the number of times it's happened (6 in the last 2 weeks). People keep asking me if I'm going to return my Bottled Cloister to my hand at the start of my upkeep.
"return all cards you own exiled with Bottled Cloister to your hand"
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