Just watched the episode..was so trippy to see a place I've gone to since I was a kid like that. Moreso when they were when they were talking with the vendor, the owner of Shuffle and Cut, someone I've talked to countless times, bought and sold with, played at his shop. So cool, but yeah he told me it was a plant, blatantly so.
HE HAD MOX PERAL BLACK LOTUS AND ANOTHER WTF FINE THAT SHOP FOR RIPPING HIM OFF $700 DOLLARS HE BOUGHT MOX AND OTHER AND GOT BLACK LOTUS FOR FREE. FINE THEM I SAY
I honestly think if i somehow got a hold of an unlimited lotus i would have no problem paying for my storage locker.
I havnt seen the episode but to find the single most expensive card in all of magic in a storage locker seems to be a bit too perfect to me also pearl and timetwister are even abit to perfect to find. I think that finding a pile of old cards and getting like 700 dollars for old sol rings, birds, wraths, and cards of that calibir would have been a bit more believable. Being a kinda avid fan of the show i think i can say its a bit more fake than i would have though before.
I relize a lot of card shops like to gouge prices but to pay under 50% of value seems abit to steep to me.
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I've watch the show a lot and always enjoyed it but this one, with a subject I enjoy and know about, just ruined it. I mean finding an Unlimited Edition Lotus mixed with some CE cards and commons and uncommons? Really?
I know a few guys who have been doing storage auctions for 10+ years now. It is nothing like what they depict on the show. But since that show started airing, it went from maybe a dozen people to a few hundred people showing up at all of the auctions thinking that they are gonna get rich. There have been amazing finds but they are years apart, not a week apart.
I might be getting some of the details mixed but I seem to recall a lawsuit several years back when pictures from one of those reality survivalist shows leaked showing contestants who were supposed to be out in the wilderness actually sitting in lawn chairs sipping fancy drinks or something. It was false advertising. The producers countered by saying that it was just entertainment, not to be taken seriously, and what they were doing was industry standard. The court looked into it and records were provided that in fact virtually all reality TV is staged so the case was dropped.
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I have been waiting for this episode since the guys at Shuffle and Cut told me about it weeks ago. We all agreed it was a plant. This is not the first episode that Frank and Sons has been in either. Earlier this season Barry took something (old movie collectibles) to be appraised there.
Wether a plant or not at least Shuffle and Cut got some free press.
I watch the show for the entertainment value form time to time, but it definitely had the fake smell. The collector guy (Barry?) almost always chance upon some collectible and magucally knows a collector even if it's outlandish. Oh! A set of vintage circus poster? I know just the woman who collects circus stuff! The old-hand guy always bid high and magically finds thousands dollars worth of marchandises. The Young shark store is prerennially empty even though they buy lockers week after week. Nobody else almost ever bid beside the show four. They constantly finds valuable stuff to cover their bidding. Fakity fake. Still fun to watch.
Edit: my take is that they approach collectors, appraiser and flea market types and give them (free? paying?) publicity and air time in exchange to lending them some items to be found and appraised by them. It's win-win! They get the stuff to plant, they get money from people wanting their face on TV! All you need is a few actors, camera crew, an industrial cutter and go! You got a show.
The thing about it is, if they were legit, they would lose money with every last thing they tried to sell. These are people who ask the buyer how much the antique is worth. IRL, you might as well go up to a person and literally ask him to steal from you.
It's for simplicity, so that the hapless viewer doesn't have to sit through watching them frantically searching the internet to find the actual price. Not that they don't most likely have research teams for that.
Between the fact that someone would keep an unlimited Lotus in a non climate-controlled storage unit and that there were just three outliers to go with a pile of recent product, it's just too far-fetched to believe. As someone mentioned above, it's not as if they take up a lot of space, why wouldn't you keep pieces of power in your own possession?
I rent a storage unit, and I keep spare furniture, old magazines/books, dishes, etc. in there. I also keep a few long boxes of non-valuable comic books in there. I did NOT keep my CGC-graded/autographed copy of Walking Dead #1 in my storage unit before selling it. I would think I'm not alone in thinking that's an inherently stupid idea to keep it with the rest of my collection.
If you're playing during Innistrad and you have a Black Lotus, you know what it's worth. You're not keeping it in a random storage unit.
I think the producers were taking the audience for a ride... and initially I whooped right along with the masses.
So, so obviously staged. The circumstances and specific mix of cards make absolutely no sense whatsoever. This obviously would never be picked up on by any mainstream viewer, which is exactly who the producers are gunning for.
These “reality” shows are extraordinarily carefully constructed to give the illusion of being "real," otherwise no amount of legitimate suspense could be generated (and that's the backbone of the genre.)
I remember when news came out about House Hunters (another very popular reality show) being fake and its fans were up in arms.. as if it's somehow reasonable to expect these reality shows to be real.
The being said, I don't think they're doing anything wrong by "faking" such scenarios, it's just throw-away popcorn television. Anyone who watches it thinking it's actually real (or that they have an obligation to make it so) are just as easily duped as those who watch wrestling and think the same thing.
(for those that don't watch the show, the value in the bottom is speculative of what the locker has been worth thus far -- it is not a representation of the cards)
The worst part, imo, was the 'offer.' S&C offered $600, Darryl asked for $650 and was turned down. The S&C employee then said, 'I like games, I'll flip you for it' and the two flipped a coin to see if the store would buy the cards (including the commons/uncommons) for $600 or $650. No store would do this. Period.
I remember when news came out about House Hunters (another very popular reality show) being fake and its fans were up in arms.. as if it's somehow reasonable to expect these reality shows to be real.
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This was obviously a set up. This "collection" consisted of a shoebox, yes exactly one shoebox, half full of still in standard bulk singles. A binder with about 6 pages..... oh and 3 huge money cards. Also, the guy who bought the cards was a less than convincing actor.
I have seen very episode of this show, quite enjoy it even though it is obvious that at least part of what happens is staged.
They find the stuff at around 15:00 and go to the convention to sell from 18:00-20:00
There is too much BS in this show to depict what storage buying is really like. It seems like just another reality show about something actually quite boring by nature.
I have known some people who actually made their living by buying lockers just like in the show. However, there were VERY FEW huge scores in the lockers. It was usually a lot of stuff for them to sell at the flea market next weekend. Is there money to be made there? Sure. Can some people make a living? Sure. Is it a huge score every day? Not even close.
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I have known some people who actually made their living by buying lockers just like in the show. However, there were VERY FEW huge scores in the lockers. It was usually a lot of stuff for them to sell at the flea market next weekend. Is there money to be made there? Sure. Can some people make a living? Sure. Is it a huge score every day? Not even close.
Totally agree, but that doesn't sell on TV. So they add some short little clown who goes YUuuuuuuuuuuuuuup, a fat father son inbred team, white trash thrift shop couple who bickers about locker prices every episode and an old collector so in the closet it makes me laugh.
Even better is the Texas version which is really just storage wars and Jerry springer rolled into one. I haven't seen this particular episode, but purely from a Magic perspective I am interested, and that my friends, is just sooooo sad
The S&C employee then said, 'I like games, I'll flip you for it' and the two flipped a coin to see if the store would buy the cards (including the commons/uncommons) for $600 or $650. No store would do this. Period.
I'm sure they would if they still thought $650 was a decent deal but were trying to still get the stuff at $600. That way the selector still thinks the store only values at $600 but might give them a little more, while the store might get it at $600 rather than the $650 (or more) they would really pay for it
I don't think they're doing anything wrong by "faking" such scenarios, it's just throw-away popcorn television. Anyone who watches it thinking it's actually real (or that they have an obligation to make it so) are just as easily duped as those who watch wrestling and think the same thing.
I don't know, there's just something about the whole concept that I find really distasteful. I think anyone who thinks about it for 5 min and has a brain can probably figure out that almost all reality TV is fake, but the shows present themselves as being "real" and most viewers probably don't even think to question it. I don't know how strong I feel about it, but I don't think it's ok to intentionally deceive viewers about the nature of what you're presenting.
The worst part, imo, was the 'offer.' S&C offered $600, Darryl asked for $650 and was turned down. The S&C employee then said, 'I like games, I'll flip you for it' and the two flipped a coin to see if the store would buy the cards (including the commons/uncommons) for $600 or $650. No store would do this. Period.
Wrong. The store owner took Darryl for a ride. He obviously had a binder full of Krark's Thumb, so he could never ever lose the flip.
The worst part, imo, was the 'offer.' S&C offered $600, Darryl asked for $650 and was turned down. The S&C employee then said, 'I like games, I'll flip you for it' and the two flipped a coin to see if the store would buy the cards (including the commons/uncommons) for $600 or $650. No store would do this. Period.
I know for a fact that Matt (S&C buyer) does in fact like to play games. Frank and Sons used to be a great place to pack war when the new sets come out, so much so the dealers would go through multiple cases during the course of the day on pack wars.
The coin flip is something the sheets have done for the length of the series so its no suprise to see that Matt was ok to do so. Having sold him many cards I know there is always wiggle room for high dollar cards. Most people will negotiate, instead they used a coin flip. I think the flip was for $600 or $700, and Sheets won the $700, but I could be mistaken.
Yes that's what happened. What seemed weird is that usually Sheets suggests the "I'll flip ya for it" but here it seems like it was Matt's idea.
Is it really impossible that the dealer could be a fan of the show, and as such not only recognized him, but challenged him to a coin flip because of it?
I think the flip was for $600 or $700, and Sheets won the $700, but I could be mistaken.
It's actually pretty confusing/bad editing. He's offered $600, Sheets counters for $650 (and he'll throw in the commons). S&C offers to flip because he 'likes games' (Sheets responds, 'Obviously'). Then Sheets announces the flip -- S&C wins, $600. Sheets wins, $700. Not sure where he got the $700 from..
Is it really impossible that the dealer could be a fan of the show, and as such not only recognized him, but challenged him to a coin flip because of it?
Sure, I did say it was weird, not impossible
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$700 seems like a good deal for selling cards to a shop.
As for the setup of the binder, I had some Entomb, Force of Will, and Grim Lavamancer in my old shoebox of old magic commons. This was about 3 years ago when I eventually found and took them out of that old box.
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I havnt seen the episode but to find the single most expensive card in all of magic in a storage locker seems to be a bit too perfect to me also pearl and timetwister are even abit to perfect to find. I think that finding a pile of old cards and getting like 700 dollars for old sol rings, birds, wraths, and cards of that calibir would have been a bit more believable. Being a kinda avid fan of the show i think i can say its a bit more fake than i would have though before.
I relize a lot of card shops like to gouge prices but to pay under 50% of value seems abit to steep to me.
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I might be getting some of the details mixed but I seem to recall a lawsuit several years back when pictures from one of those reality survivalist shows leaked showing contestants who were supposed to be out in the wilderness actually sitting in lawn chairs sipping fancy drinks or something. It was false advertising. The producers countered by saying that it was just entertainment, not to be taken seriously, and what they were doing was industry standard. The court looked into it and records were provided that in fact virtually all reality TV is staged so the case was dropped.
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Wether a plant or not at least Shuffle and Cut got some free press.
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Edit: my take is that they approach collectors, appraiser and flea market types and give them (free? paying?) publicity and air time in exchange to lending them some items to be found and appraised by them. It's win-win! They get the stuff to plant, they get money from people wanting their face on TV! All you need is a few actors, camera crew, an industrial cutter and go! You got a show.
It's for simplicity, so that the hapless viewer doesn't have to sit through watching them frantically searching the internet to find the actual price. Not that they don't most likely have research teams for that.
I rent a storage unit, and I keep spare furniture, old magazines/books, dishes, etc. in there. I also keep a few long boxes of non-valuable comic books in there. I did NOT keep my CGC-graded/autographed copy of Walking Dead #1 in my storage unit before selling it. I would think I'm not alone in thinking that's an inherently stupid idea to keep it with the rest of my collection.
If you're playing during Innistrad and you have a Black Lotus, you know what it's worth. You're not keeping it in a random storage unit.
I think the producers were taking the audience for a ride... and initially I whooped right along with the masses.
These “reality” shows are extraordinarily carefully constructed to give the illusion of being "real," otherwise no amount of legitimate suspense could be generated (and that's the backbone of the genre.)
I remember when news came out about House Hunters (another very popular reality show) being fake and its fans were up in arms.. as if it's somehow reasonable to expect these reality shows to be real.
The being said, I don't think they're doing anything wrong by "faking" such scenarios, it's just throw-away popcorn television. Anyone who watches it thinking it's actually real (or that they have an obligation to make it so) are just as easily duped as those who watch wrestling and think the same thing.
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(for those that don't watch the show, the value in the bottom is speculative of what the locker has been worth thus far -- it is not a representation of the cards)
The worst part, imo, was the 'offer.' S&C offered $600, Darryl asked for $650 and was turned down. The S&C employee then said, 'I like games, I'll flip you for it' and the two flipped a coin to see if the store would buy the cards (including the commons/uncommons) for $600 or $650. No store would do this. Period.
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I have seen very episode of this show, quite enjoy it even though it is obvious that at least part of what happens is staged.
They find the stuff at around 15:00 and go to the convention to sell from 18:00-20:00
There is too much BS in this show to depict what storage buying is really like. It seems like just another reality show about something actually quite boring by nature.
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Totally agree, but that doesn't sell on TV. So they add some short little clown who goes YUuuuuuuuuuuuuuup, a fat father son inbred team, white trash thrift shop couple who bickers about locker prices every episode and an old collector so in the closet it makes me laugh.
Even better is the Texas version which is really just storage wars and Jerry springer rolled into one. I haven't seen this particular episode, but purely from a Magic perspective I am interested, and that my friends, is just sooooo sad
I'm sure they would if they still thought $650 was a decent deal but were trying to still get the stuff at $600. That way the selector still thinks the store only values at $600 but might give them a little more, while the store might get it at $600 rather than the $650 (or more) they would really pay for it
I don't know, there's just something about the whole concept that I find really distasteful. I think anyone who thinks about it for 5 min and has a brain can probably figure out that almost all reality TV is fake, but the shows present themselves as being "real" and most viewers probably don't even think to question it. I don't know how strong I feel about it, but I don't think it's ok to intentionally deceive viewers about the nature of what you're presenting.
Wrong. The store owner took Darryl for a ride. He obviously had a binder full of Krark's Thumb, so he could never ever lose the flip.
I know for a fact that Matt (S&C buyer) does in fact like to play games. Frank and Sons used to be a great place to pack war when the new sets come out, so much so the dealers would go through multiple cases during the course of the day on pack wars.
The coin flip is something the sheets have done for the length of the series so its no suprise to see that Matt was ok to do so. Having sold him many cards I know there is always wiggle room for high dollar cards. Most people will negotiate, instead they used a coin flip. I think the flip was for $600 or $700, and Sheets won the $700, but I could be mistaken.
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Yes that's what happened. What seemed weird is that usually Sheets suggests the "I'll flip ya for it" but here it seems like it was Matt's idea.
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Is it really impossible that the dealer could be a fan of the show, and as such not only recognized him, but challenged him to a coin flip because of it?
It's actually pretty confusing/bad editing. He's offered $600, Sheets counters for $650 (and he'll throw in the commons). S&C offers to flip because he 'likes games' (Sheets responds, 'Obviously'). Then Sheets announces the flip -- S&C wins, $600. Sheets wins, $700. Not sure where he got the $700 from..
Sure, I did say it was weird, not impossible
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I'm not saying the show's real, either, but I don't think any of the dealer's actions are really that suspect.
Watch him try to hold back a grin as he rapes them on three cards they randomly found and don't know the value of.
As for the setup of the binder, I had some Entomb, Force of Will, and Grim Lavamancer in my old shoebox of old magic commons. This was about 3 years ago when I eventually found and took them out of that old box.
If I'm out of space, I probably stick my Time Walk into my junk rare binder.