We had an older woman who was a lot like this, but not nearly as bad in the speed department. However, she would often lose her cool when you told her what she was trying to do was illegal and she absolutely threw a fit when we told her the Dark Ritual from her FTV: 20 wasn't legal in her standard deck mid-tournament. She was the sort who would get angry at you when she was unhappy with the rules of the game.
The worst, though, was when it came time to cut decks. Regardless of sleeves, tournament level, whatever, she would insist on riffle shuffling your deck and got mad at you when you asked her not to. No regard for other people's cards at all. Obviously you could get her not to by pointing out that it was damaging to the cards, but she'd get all huffy about it and the next time it came time to cut she wouldn't seem to recall that the conversation took place.
Man, there's not much worse than people getting riled up with other people based on their own poor understanding of the game. There was a guy last year at my local shop who returned to Standard after some time away from the game. He was operating under the assumption that all ten painlands had been re-printed in M15, not just the five that were, and therefore was running a set of Underground Rivers in his Standard deck. What should have been a fairly simple correction and fix turned into a massive ordeal, with this guy throwing his weight around, rudely calling everyone who said his deck wasn't legal an idiot. He required multiple different online sources confirming that Rivers weren't printed in M15 before he finally got the picture, and in the time it took to make that clear to him, he antagonized half the shop.
Never saw him again after that. Probably quit the game out of embarrassment.
I can almost guarantee you that the guy went to another shop or just raged to world that Magic is for morons. I doubt he quietly quit and stopped playing. Guys like that don't quietly do anything.
I still remember one ******** who stopped coming to the shop after one casual tournament. He played against a newer player with Thalia out. He cast a non-creature spell without paying the tax, saying "Ok?" The other player nodded. I stepped in and said, "Thalia is out, you can't cast that" and he proceeds to blow up at me and everyone else at the shop who jumped in agreeing with me. His defense was that since he tricked the other player into saying, "OK" it's a legal play and we all needed to butt out.
There's this one guy that plays at one of the shops around here who is always grief to play against. He's just whiny, irritable, and a small amount of just about everything that people have described in this thread rolled into one. I remember one particular instance well. I was playing Lands w/ Intuition against his Sneak & Show. He gets game 1 and we start g2 and he goes turn 1 relic, turn 2 rest in peace, turn 3 blood moon. I kind of tilt a little at this because now I basically need to rip both grips in order to get out of this situation and he's on the other side going on tilt because the blood moon turned off his second blue source so he couldn't cast the V-Clique in his hand for another couple turns. It took him like 8 turns to get out of that mess but each turn that passed, he would go on tilt even more because he couldn't put a clock on me. As if he was going to lose the game. In the end he was just raging and I'm just awestruck because he's got the game locked and he's getting salty that it's going longer than it should have.
Two things I remember vividly: During INN/ZEN standard I was playing blue/black comtrol. Opponent got pissed at me for Doom Blading/LotV all his creatures and wouldn't play game two with me because of it.
Second was during RTR/INN. Playing Unburial Rites and reanimating Stormtide Leviathan. I didn't think anything of it, but after our match he called me a flaming homosexual for playing old Stormtide. I just lol'd.
I may have posted this in this thread years ago but I don't remember, so here goes.
One time our store was doing a legacy tournament and a guy who always brags about his collection and how long he's playing showed up. He showed up to legacy playing mono black infect, then he got pissed when he realized everyone was netdecking. To him legacy means casual with a ban list. In round 1 he got paired up against a friend of mine playing dredge, he had never seen dredge before. After game 1 the table was flipped (yes, literally a flipped table) and the guy stormed out of the store. This was in the middle of winter so it was quite cold out, he didn't even grab his jacket he simply left. Apparently he walked home too because his car keys were in his jacket and he didn't grab them, the owner had to have the guys car towed eventually. It goes without saying that he also left without his deck. After he left he never came back for anything.
Two or three years later his son started showing up to the store to draft, and the store owner gave his son his dads deck (he kept it behind the counter since he's a nice guy) to return to him.
There's this guy named "Jeff" who plays in most big Modern/Legacy/Standard events on the East Coast. I played against him once and watched people play against him multiple times.
Now he's a good player, but let's just say he's "straight business". He takes the game VERY seriously and will not hesitate to call a judge on you for the slightest perceived infraction. If you are not playing at a breakneck pace, he will chastise you. If you are not accepting his many shortcuts immediately, he will chastise you. If you are trying to make smalltalk, he will chastise you. And so on.
And he has this super-serious "this is life or death" look on his face with every decision he makes in the game. Just playing against him sucks any fun out of Magic you might possibly have. Of course, you'll probably only ever encounter him in a tournament, but nevertheless, he might have been one of the rudest/worst opponents I've ever played against.
Two or three years later his son started showing up to the store to draft, and the store owner gave his son his dads deck (he kept it behind the counter since he's a nice guy) to return to him.
This is the greatest end to the story of any I've read here.
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Two or three years later his son started showing up to the store to draft, and the store owner gave his son his dads deck (he kept it behind the counter since he's a nice guy) to return to him.
This is the greatest end to the story of any I've read here.
Believe it or not, one of the worst players to play with is my own friend. Woah there, don't get me wrong here. It isn't that he is a terrible person or rude, he just is a stickler about the rules unless it affects him. I don't truly believe he means to be this way, but he often gets very frustrated when things go horribly wrong for him. Regardless, it can be a buzz kill.
There are a couple of examples that demonstrate how frustrating it can be to play against my friend, though realize here he is still my friend at the end of the day.
1. He was once caught spending 9 minutes for his one turn. Upwards of 12 minutes in commander. Yet, he once played against another one of my friends, and told him "Are you going to do something or just sit on your ***?" a minute or so into his turn.
2. He is very strict. If you accidently say the name of the wrong card, or didn't realize he had a card on the field because it looked like it was in the zone with his tokens/graveyard/enchantments, too bad, you already chose, and you have to stick with it, unless of course, he says the wrong card name, then it's completely different, you should be fair to him. The same applies with tapping mana, but we've often caught him spending more mana than he actually has, or casting spells without having the proper colored mana.
3. If he loses, he will spend 3 minutes draw cards and saying "had I survived until then, I could have played this in combo with this and beat you. You got so lucky!" He once lost and then drew 15 cards and claimed he could have won still. Or he will blame it on his starting handing (despite the fact we let our friends mulligan for 7 TWICE and scry 1 after that.)
4. He is the worst to draft with. We once all contributed to a booster box and went home to draft the entire lot. One of his packs contained a foil rare and a hangarback walker. He said "I'm not sure which to choose." I replied with "Well, if you pass the walker, I'm just going to pass it to *my buddy*, because he was planning on buying it for his current deck anyway. (true statement)." He proceeds to pass it, and I pass it to my buddy. I said to him "Wow, *original buddy*, that was incredibly nice of you to pass up a 16 dollar card for *other buddy*." (was being genuine). He then stands up, demands the card back (note I didn't use the words "kindly" or "asked"), and my friend gives it back to avoid dispute. He then proceeds to put the card in his box of all the cards he owns and never takes it out again to even put in a deck or sell.
5. The worst IMO is this. He never revises his decks, or buys singles, or even uses other decks online for examples unless you baby-step him through it. Yet, when you play him with a deck you worked hard on, he will ***** for the next half hour about how "broken" your deck is, and how unfair it is. (I'm running a black-white-red warrior tribal from khans.)
Like I said, at the end of the day, he is a great friend, but a sucky magic player.
4. He is the worst to draft with. We once all contributed to a booster box and went home to draft the entire lot. One of his packs contained a foil rare and a hangarback walker. He said "I'm not sure which to choose." I replied with "Well, if you pass the walker, I'm just going to pass it to *my buddy*, because he was planning on buying it for his current deck anyway. (true statement)." He proceeds to pass it, and I pass it to my buddy. I said to him "Wow, *original buddy*, that was incredibly nice of you to pass up a 16 dollar card for *other buddy*." (was being genuine). He then stands up, demands the card back (note I didn't use the words "kindly" or "asked"), and my friend gives it back to avoid dispute. He then proceeds to put the card in his box of all the cards he owns and never takes it out again to even put in a deck or sell.
What possible "dispute" was there to avoid? Does this guy make enough noise that you let him pick two cards from a single pack if he wants them? That's ludicrous.
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I've had the misfortune of playing against this human garbage **** stain Anthony who loves to shuffle your deck as hard as he can to try to put you on tilt in Legacy and Modern. He will attempt to induce curvature in your foils by applying force along the short axis of the card, and then try to get you game losses on a Marked Cards penalty by saying the foils are curved and easily identifiable. Anthony even does this at Regular REL where there's no game loss penalty so he can force people to try to replace the "marked cards" mid-game, which is hard to do.
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I've had the misfortune of playing against this human garbage **** stain Anthony who loves to shuffle your deck as hard as he can to try to put you on tilt in Legacy and Modern. He will attempt to induce curvature in your foils by applying force along the short axis of the card, and then try to get you game losses on a Marked Cards penalty by saying the foils are curved and easily identifiable. Anthony even does this at Regular REL where there's no game loss penalty so he can force people to try to replace the "marked cards" mid-game, which is hard to do.
Sounds like a guy that should just been banned from playing anywhere.
I get crap all the time playing Esper Draw-go Control in modern.
Obviously it's not a high profile deck with a lot of visibility, which leads people to either assume I have no idea what I'm doing, or complain that the deck is unfun or too slow or whatever.
Sometimes I'd rather have occasional opponents who are REAL jerks rather than have 100 percent of my opponents be bored out of their minds and complaining about time before g2.
I hate playing netdeckers in limited. They have zero talent. They can't "read" opponents and what they are planning. They just play and exist. Ugghhhh you guys know the type. You look at your field and you have 1 2/2 creature and on my opponent's field he has 15 3/3 fliers but magically refuses to attack because they think I might be able to pull out a instant green version of Wrath of God (did you even look at the set?) when he attacks so he takes it beyond slow and takes 12 turns to kill me when I died 20 turns ago.
Netdeckers in limited? that is strange, just people who have learned how to draft but not play or something? im not sure i understand this wording, though i do understand the frustration when people play way too defensively when they are obviously at a point where they would win.
I've had the misfortune of playing against this human garbage **** stain Anthony who loves to shuffle your deck as hard as he can to try to put you on tilt in Legacy and Modern. He will attempt to induce curvature in your foils by applying force along the short axis of the card, and then try to get you game losses on a Marked Cards penalty by saying the foils are curved and easily identifiable. Anthony even does this at Regular REL where there's no game loss penalty so he can force people to try to replace the "marked cards" mid-game, which is hard to do.
Why hasn't anyone called a judge on this clown? Sounds like deliberate attempts to damage your property - hell, if in the shoes of anyone going up against him, I'd probably insist on the police getting called if he kept it up, better he get at least a stern talking to then any risk of things escalating from his persisting douchebaggery/deliberate damaging of others' property (and, it seems, doing so in such a way that invites, almost eggs people on to punching him in the face, as if he was trying to incite a reaction)
I've had the misfortune of playing against this human garbage **** stain Anthony who loves to shuffle your deck as hard as he can to try to put you on tilt in Legacy and Modern. He will attempt to induce curvature in your foils by applying force along the short axis of the card, and then try to get you game losses on a Marked Cards penalty by saying the foils are curved and easily identifiable. Anthony even does this at Regular REL where there's no game loss penalty so he can force people to try to replace the "marked cards" mid-game, which is hard to do.
Why hasn't anyone called a judge on this clown? Sounds like deliberate attempts to damage your property - hell, if in the shoes of anyone going up against him, I'd probably insist on the police getting called if he kept it up, better he get at least a stern talking to then any risk of things escalating from his persisting douchebaggery/deliberate damaging of others' property (and, it seems, doing so in such a way that invites, almost eggs people on to punching him in the face, as if he was trying to incite a reaction)
Can't you insist on him purchasing the alternate cards since he caused the damage, since he wouldn't wait to shuffle then call you on marked cards if they were bent beforehand
Not the worst but a horrible one yesterday on MWS:
I had a Young Pyromancer on play and cast a bolt to his face, my opponent casts a dispel in response.
I put bolt on grave and a Elemental on field. He took the control of my elemental and sacrificed it.
Them i said "look, i still got the token, i casted the spell... do you want to check the net? i know i'm right"
He screamed on capslock "I PLAY MAGIC THE LAST 15 YEARS, I COUNTERED YOUR SPELL YOU COULDN'T CAST IT, N00B" >quits
It was the third turn of the game...
I've had the misfortune of playing against this human garbage **** stain Anthony who loves to shuffle your deck as hard as he can to try to put you on tilt in Legacy and Modern. He will attempt to induce curvature in your foils by applying force along the short axis of the card, and then try to get you game losses on a Marked Cards penalty by saying the foils are curved and easily identifiable. Anthony even does this at Regular REL where there's no game loss penalty so he can force people to try to replace the "marked cards" mid-game, which is hard to do.
Start calling a judge to shuffle your cards. Or start poker shuffling his, including the full bridge. Take two random cards out of his deck and ask if he wants to play flip it or rip it.
I will say if anyone were to damage my cards, I'm going to damage them. That's just the way it is.
What possible "dispute" was there to avoid? Does this guy make enough noise that you let him pick two cards from a single pack if he wants them? That's ludicrous.
Perhaps more detail would help.
Person A got a hangerback walker in his pack. He reveals it to us and says "this is interesting, but not sure if I'd ever use it." I reply with "if you pass it, I'd probably pass it to Person B, he is legitimately trying to get it for a deck me and him were working on." He proceeds to think it over, then passes it. After Person B received the card, I replied with "wow, that was really nice of you. That was like a 16 dollar card." or something along those lines. He goes "what, really?" and I said "yeah, but he really is planning on using it, I have the deck list on my account." He stands up and says, "Person B, I want that card back, I wasn't aware it was a 16 dollar card." Person B often doesn't like confrontation and said "fine, but you're lucky I am nice or else I'd say you already passed it." Person A gave Person B the foil rare in replacement.
At the time, it seemed to me like Person B was alright with it, but later on Person B made it clear he was upset that he took that card for the money and then never did anything with it. It bothered him (and I) that he would rather hold onto monetary possession that he doesn't plan to ever use or sell then to have left it be after he already passed it to a friend. From what I've been told, he just recently put it into his artifact deck after Person B brought it up and said it was ridiculous he wasn't using the card.
It isn't so much that Person A makes a lot of noise, but Person B just didn't think it was worth the grudge that would've been held or the dispute that would've been had over whether or not it was fair that he wasn't aware it was a 16 dollar card. IMO, it's completely fair that he wasn't aware, and it's complete **** that he puts 16 dollars over helping a friend out. I've gone as far as to personally buy decks for friends who are new to a format, and this guy can't even pass a 16 dollar card.
To add to the mix of why I was so upset about this draft, I had previously offered to pay the extra 15 bucks for the purchase price of the booster box. I owed Person A money at the time, and he forgot to bring money. Me and person B covered him. He payed Person B back, but not me. He claimed that I no longer owed him. I thought this was completely fair, as I had previously planned to pay the 10 dollars of my own accord, and I did owe him money. However, he then proceeds to say "doing the math, you still owe me 5 bucks." I was ready to flip, but person B stepped in and said "dude, he already payed an extra 15, plus you ended up only have to pay 10 bucks for a 1/3 of a booster box, so stop." God was I pissed.
I am rarely silent about such things, but Person B is.
EDIT: I better stop reading this thread before it ruins my friendship with person A. Someone mentioned throwing cards, and it reminded me of when I played Person A. I let him use my one EDH deck, and I used my own, while a third friend played with us. Person A was mana screwed, but one more mana would've let him summon his commander, and his commander dominates mine and can ruin my entire deck (yes, they are both my decks.) So I proceed to pay 7 and sac one of my artifacts (I had an emblem that returns all artifacts to my battlefield every day, so it's use was no big deal) to destroy his one land. He proceeds to throw his hand of my own cards at me, and the corner of one cuts my lips. My friend was laughing, but mostly at the fact that I screwed his mana over more. I was upset, but decided to play on. I reached over and drew what his next two cards would've been, and they both would've been lands.
What possible "dispute" was there to avoid? Does this guy make enough noise that you let him pick two cards from a single pack if he wants them? That's ludicrous.
Perhaps more detail would help.
Person A got a hangerback walker in his pack. He reveals it to us and says "this is interesting, but not sure if I'd ever use it." I reply with "if you pass it, I'd probably pass it to Person B, he is legitimately trying to get it for a deck me and him were working on." He proceeds to think it over, then passes it. After Person B received the card, I replied with "wow, that was really nice of you. That was like a 16 dollar card." or something along those lines. He goes "what, really?" and I said "yeah, but he really is planning on using it, I have the deck list on my account." He stands up and says, "Person B, I want that card back, I wasn't aware it was a 16 dollar card." Person B often doesn't like confrontation and said "fine, but you're lucky I am nice or else I'd say you already passed it." Person A gave Person B the foil rare in replacement.
At the time, it seemed to me like Person B was alright with it, but later on Person B made it clear he was upset that he took that card for the money and then never did anything with it. It bothered him (and I) that he would rather hold onto monetary possession that he doesn't plan to ever use or sell then to have left it be after he already passed it to a friend. From what I've been told, he just recently put it into his artifact deck after Person B brought it up and said it was ridiculous he wasn't using the card.
It isn't so much that Person A makes a lot of noise, but Person B just didn't think it was worth the grudge that would've been held or the dispute that would've been had over whether or not it was fair that he wasn't aware it was a 16 dollar card. IMO, it's completely fair that he wasn't aware, and it's complete **** that he puts 16 dollars over helping a friend out. I've gone as far as to personally buy decks for friends who are new to a format, and this guy can't even pass a 16 dollar card.
To add to the mix of why I was so upset about this draft, I had previously offered to pay the extra 15 bucks for the purchase price of the booster box. I owed Person A money at the time, and he forgot to bring money. Me and person B covered him. He payed Person B back, but not me. He claimed that I no longer owed him. I thought this was completely fair, as I had previously planned to pay the 10 dollars of my own accord, and I did owe him money. However, he then proceeds to say "doing the math, you still owe me 5 bucks." I was ready to flip, but person B stepped in and said "dude, he already payed an extra 15, plus you ended up only have to pay 10 bucks for a 1/3 of a booster box, so stop." God was I pissed.
I am rarely silent about such things, but Person B is.
EDIT: I better stop reading this thread before it ruins my friendship with person A. Someone mentioned throwing cards, and it reminded me of when I played Person A. I let him use my one EDH deck, and I used my own, while a third friend played with us. Person A was mana screwed, but one more mana would've let him summon his commander, and his commander dominates mine and can ruin my entire deck (yes, they are both my decks.) So I proceed to pay 7 and sac one of my artifacts (I had an emblem that returns all artifacts to my battlefield every day, so it's use was no big deal) to destroy his one land. He proceeds to throw his hand of my own cards at me, and the corner of one cuts my lips. My friend was laughing, but mostly at the fact that I screwed his mana over more. I was upset, but decided to play on. I reached over and drew what his next two cards would've been, and they both would've been lands.
He literally threw your own cards into your own face and laughed over a stupid game. I don't care how "nice" he is outside the game, drop this guy as a friend.
He literally threw your own cards into your own face and laughed over a stupid game. I don't care how "nice" he is outside the game, drop this guy as a friend.
Yeah damn, I have some friends that can get salty -- hell so can I at times. But that guy sounds like a dick.
I have two hilarious stories regarding two different rude opponents at the same LGS.
Last year, I was routinely playing at a recently opened LGS in an attempt to win enough store credit for an unopened Foil Wasteland that was given to the store owner as a new business present. The players who played at this store were either extremely new to the game, super casual or had extremely *****ty attitudes. A lot of the players with the seriously *****ty attitudes were "excommunicated" by the major LGS in town. Also, the store owner is inexperienced with MTG, there's no resident judges and false information regarding rules are free flowing there. For example, a player there questioned the legality of my friend playing with a Japanese card.
Anyways, the first Standard FNM I attend at the store I'm paired against the "best" player in the store. He's playing a RG Aggro deck and I'm playing UB Control. As the game goes late, he's out of cards in hand and with my full grip I continue to have answers for everything he topdecks. He starts angrily knocking the top of his deck on each of his draw steps and slamming cards in his graveyard that I countered. After I won, he looks at me a calmly and says "I'm not going to lie dude...that game almost made me quit Magic forever on the spot." Not knowing what to say I reply with "Oh...I'm sorry..." He then gets up starts slamming his fist into his other palm extremely hard over and over again, starts pacing around the store yelling "I ****ING HATE BLUE! I ****ING HATE BLUE!!". I was trying my hardest not to laugh.
Sometime later at the same store I'm playing against a woman I would guess was about 35. As I'm shuffling my deck for the first game, she starts placing her cards face up on the table like someone would do when they pile shuffle. As she's doing this she says "I like to do this so I don't get mana screwed". She then places the piles on top of each other and presents the deck for a cut, as she cuts my deck. I pick up her deck and start shuffling it and she glares at me and says "That's a funny kind of cut!!". I reply back "I mean, the deck does have to be randomized...". She flips out and yells "[Store Owner's Name] told me that I can do that! [Store Owner's Name]!! IS HE ALLOWED TO DO THAT???" The Store Owner tries to diffuse the situation and acknowledges that I'm allowed to shuffle her deck. She draws her opening seven and poetically, she gets mana screwed the entire game. She gives me the absolute stare of death the entire game as if I did something malevolent to her deck while shuffling.
Needless to say, as soon as I got that Wasteland I stopped playing at the store and haven't returned since.
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He literally threw your own cards into your own face and laughed over a stupid game. I don't care how "nice" he is outside the game, drop this guy as a friend.
Yeah damn, I have some friends that can get salty -- hell so can I at times. But that guy sounds like a dick.
In a way, I did and didn't. I use the term friend but, as many of my friends know, I use it very lightly. My other friend, Person B, has been putting up with it, since all we ever do together is play games anyway. I've tried getting him to see the light of things. He's the type of person that simply doesn't pick sides, since this Person A never directly did anything wrong to Person B. That isn't to say he believes his behavior is ok, he just doesn't want to get involved.
I am not the only one to get the blunt end of the stick here. Person C, a new friend of mine who I really like playing magic with, said person A was being a jerk to him. I once overheard their magic game, in which "A" said to "C" "Are you going to do anything or just sit on your ***." I thought "A" was just in a bad mood, but apparently this continued when they faced each other at the draft at my LGS. C asked A "Can I friendly mulligan?" (this means to draw 7 instead of 6 if a hand was particularly bad.) "A" replies with "No, friendly mulligans are only between friends."
I've decided to keep "A" around because 1. Besides B, he is the only other long-term MTG player, so he is the only 3rd person who I can play without easily winning, and 2. me and "B" have known him since middle school, and since there is no way "B" will drop him as a friend, it would just create a lot of problems in trying to hang out with "B" without "A". Plus, at this point, the most recent event was a week ago, and I would seem like the bad guy if I dropped him over something that happened a week ago.
Netdeckers in limited? that is strange, just people who have learned how to draft but not play or something? im not sure i understand this wording, though i do understand the frustration when people play way too defensively when they are obviously at a point where they would win.
Ever play the rich guy who has the best constructed decks ever and wins and brags but then play the same rich guy in limited and he always gets squashed? And then you gotta hear about his all foil deck he purchased because it won the last Pro Tour. Those guys.
I can almost guarantee you that the guy went to another shop or just raged to world that Magic is for morons. I doubt he quietly quit and stopped playing. Guys like that don't quietly do anything.
I still remember one ******** who stopped coming to the shop after one casual tournament. He played against a newer player with Thalia out. He cast a non-creature spell without paying the tax, saying "Ok?" The other player nodded. I stepped in and said, "Thalia is out, you can't cast that" and he proceeds to blow up at me and everyone else at the shop who jumped in agreeing with me. His defense was that since he tricked the other player into saying, "OK" it's a legal play and we all needed to butt out.
Yeah. Ok.
Two things I remember vividly: During INN/ZEN standard I was playing blue/black comtrol. Opponent got pissed at me for Doom Blading/LotV all his creatures and wouldn't play game two with me because of it.
Second was during RTR/INN. Playing Unburial Rites and reanimating Stormtide Leviathan. I didn't think anything of it, but after our match he called me a flaming homosexual for playing old Stormtide. I just lol'd.
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One time our store was doing a legacy tournament and a guy who always brags about his collection and how long he's playing showed up. He showed up to legacy playing mono black infect, then he got pissed when he realized everyone was netdecking. To him legacy means casual with a ban list. In round 1 he got paired up against a friend of mine playing dredge, he had never seen dredge before. After game 1 the table was flipped (yes, literally a flipped table) and the guy stormed out of the store. This was in the middle of winter so it was quite cold out, he didn't even grab his jacket he simply left. Apparently he walked home too because his car keys were in his jacket and he didn't grab them, the owner had to have the guys car towed eventually. It goes without saying that he also left without his deck. After he left he never came back for anything.
Two or three years later his son started showing up to the store to draft, and the store owner gave his son his dads deck (he kept it behind the counter since he's a nice guy) to return to him.
Now he's a good player, but let's just say he's "straight business". He takes the game VERY seriously and will not hesitate to call a judge on you for the slightest perceived infraction. If you are not playing at a breakneck pace, he will chastise you. If you are not accepting his many shortcuts immediately, he will chastise you. If you are trying to make smalltalk, he will chastise you. And so on.
And he has this super-serious "this is life or death" look on his face with every decision he makes in the game. Just playing against him sucks any fun out of Magic you might possibly have. Of course, you'll probably only ever encounter him in a tournament, but nevertheless, he might have been one of the rudest/worst opponents I've ever played against.
This is the greatest end to the story of any I've read here.
But he kept the car keys and the jacket ;P
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There are a couple of examples that demonstrate how frustrating it can be to play against my friend, though realize here he is still my friend at the end of the day.
1. He was once caught spending 9 minutes for his one turn. Upwards of 12 minutes in commander. Yet, he once played against another one of my friends, and told him "Are you going to do something or just sit on your ***?" a minute or so into his turn.
2. He is very strict. If you accidently say the name of the wrong card, or didn't realize he had a card on the field because it looked like it was in the zone with his tokens/graveyard/enchantments, too bad, you already chose, and you have to stick with it, unless of course, he says the wrong card name, then it's completely different, you should be fair to him. The same applies with tapping mana, but we've often caught him spending more mana than he actually has, or casting spells without having the proper colored mana.
3. If he loses, he will spend 3 minutes draw cards and saying "had I survived until then, I could have played this in combo with this and beat you. You got so lucky!" He once lost and then drew 15 cards and claimed he could have won still. Or he will blame it on his starting handing (despite the fact we let our friends mulligan for 7 TWICE and scry 1 after that.)
4. He is the worst to draft with. We once all contributed to a booster box and went home to draft the entire lot. One of his packs contained a foil rare and a hangarback walker. He said "I'm not sure which to choose." I replied with "Well, if you pass the walker, I'm just going to pass it to *my buddy*, because he was planning on buying it for his current deck anyway. (true statement)." He proceeds to pass it, and I pass it to my buddy. I said to him "Wow, *original buddy*, that was incredibly nice of you to pass up a 16 dollar card for *other buddy*." (was being genuine). He then stands up, demands the card back (note I didn't use the words "kindly" or "asked"), and my friend gives it back to avoid dispute. He then proceeds to put the card in his box of all the cards he owns and never takes it out again to even put in a deck or sell.
5. The worst IMO is this. He never revises his decks, or buys singles, or even uses other decks online for examples unless you baby-step him through it. Yet, when you play him with a deck you worked hard on, he will ***** for the next half hour about how "broken" your deck is, and how unfair it is. (I'm running a black-white-red warrior tribal from khans.)
Like I said, at the end of the day, he is a great friend, but a sucky magic player.
What possible "dispute" was there to avoid? Does this guy make enough noise that you let him pick two cards from a single pack if he wants them? That's ludicrous.
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Sounds like a guy that should just been banned from playing anywhere.
Standard: BG Golgari Midrange
Modern: U Merfolk GWUBR 5 Color Humans UBW Esper Gifts GW Bogles
Obviously it's not a high profile deck with a lot of visibility, which leads people to either assume I have no idea what I'm doing, or complain that the deck is unfun or too slow or whatever.
Sometimes I'd rather have occasional opponents who are REAL jerks rather than have 100 percent of my opponents be bored out of their minds and complaining about time before g2.
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Why hasn't anyone called a judge on this clown? Sounds like deliberate attempts to damage your property - hell, if in the shoes of anyone going up against him, I'd probably insist on the police getting called if he kept it up, better he get at least a stern talking to then any risk of things escalating from his persisting douchebaggery/deliberate damaging of others' property (and, it seems, doing so in such a way that invites, almost eggs people on to punching him in the face, as if he was trying to incite a reaction)
Can't you insist on him purchasing the alternate cards since he caused the damage, since he wouldn't wait to shuffle then call you on marked cards if they were bent beforehand
I had a Young Pyromancer on play and cast a bolt to his face, my opponent casts a dispel in response.
I put bolt on grave and a Elemental on field. He took the control of my elemental and sacrificed it.
Them i said "look, i still got the token, i casted the spell... do you want to check the net? i know i'm right"
He screamed on capslock "I PLAY MAGIC THE LAST 15 YEARS, I COUNTERED YOUR SPELL YOU COULDN'T CAST IT, N00B" >quits
It was the third turn of the game...
Start calling a judge to shuffle your cards. Or start poker shuffling his, including the full bridge. Take two random cards out of his deck and ask if he wants to play flip it or rip it.
I will say if anyone were to damage my cards, I'm going to damage them. That's just the way it is.
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Perhaps more detail would help.
Person A got a hangerback walker in his pack. He reveals it to us and says "this is interesting, but not sure if I'd ever use it." I reply with "if you pass it, I'd probably pass it to Person B, he is legitimately trying to get it for a deck me and him were working on." He proceeds to think it over, then passes it. After Person B received the card, I replied with "wow, that was really nice of you. That was like a 16 dollar card." or something along those lines. He goes "what, really?" and I said "yeah, but he really is planning on using it, I have the deck list on my account." He stands up and says, "Person B, I want that card back, I wasn't aware it was a 16 dollar card." Person B often doesn't like confrontation and said "fine, but you're lucky I am nice or else I'd say you already passed it." Person A gave Person B the foil rare in replacement.
At the time, it seemed to me like Person B was alright with it, but later on Person B made it clear he was upset that he took that card for the money and then never did anything with it. It bothered him (and I) that he would rather hold onto monetary possession that he doesn't plan to ever use or sell then to have left it be after he already passed it to a friend. From what I've been told, he just recently put it into his artifact deck after Person B brought it up and said it was ridiculous he wasn't using the card.
It isn't so much that Person A makes a lot of noise, but Person B just didn't think it was worth the grudge that would've been held or the dispute that would've been had over whether or not it was fair that he wasn't aware it was a 16 dollar card. IMO, it's completely fair that he wasn't aware, and it's complete **** that he puts 16 dollars over helping a friend out. I've gone as far as to personally buy decks for friends who are new to a format, and this guy can't even pass a 16 dollar card.
To add to the mix of why I was so upset about this draft, I had previously offered to pay the extra 15 bucks for the purchase price of the booster box. I owed Person A money at the time, and he forgot to bring money. Me and person B covered him. He payed Person B back, but not me. He claimed that I no longer owed him. I thought this was completely fair, as I had previously planned to pay the 10 dollars of my own accord, and I did owe him money. However, he then proceeds to say "doing the math, you still owe me 5 bucks." I was ready to flip, but person B stepped in and said "dude, he already payed an extra 15, plus you ended up only have to pay 10 bucks for a 1/3 of a booster box, so stop." God was I pissed.
I am rarely silent about such things, but Person B is.
EDIT: I better stop reading this thread before it ruins my friendship with person A. Someone mentioned throwing cards, and it reminded me of when I played Person A. I let him use my one EDH deck, and I used my own, while a third friend played with us. Person A was mana screwed, but one more mana would've let him summon his commander, and his commander dominates mine and can ruin my entire deck (yes, they are both my decks.) So I proceed to pay 7 and sac one of my artifacts (I had an emblem that returns all artifacts to my battlefield every day, so it's use was no big deal) to destroy his one land. He proceeds to throw his hand of my own cards at me, and the corner of one cuts my lips. My friend was laughing, but mostly at the fact that I screwed his mana over more. I was upset, but decided to play on. I reached over and drew what his next two cards would've been, and they both would've been lands.
He literally threw your own cards into your own face and laughed over a stupid game. I don't care how "nice" he is outside the game, drop this guy as a friend.
Standard: BG Golgari Midrange
Modern: U Merfolk GWUBR 5 Color Humans UBW Esper Gifts GW Bogles
Yeah damn, I have some friends that can get salty -- hell so can I at times. But that guy sounds like a dick.
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Last year, I was routinely playing at a recently opened LGS in an attempt to win enough store credit for an unopened Foil Wasteland that was given to the store owner as a new business present. The players who played at this store were either extremely new to the game, super casual or had extremely *****ty attitudes. A lot of the players with the seriously *****ty attitudes were "excommunicated" by the major LGS in town. Also, the store owner is inexperienced with MTG, there's no resident judges and false information regarding rules are free flowing there. For example, a player there questioned the legality of my friend playing with a Japanese card.
Anyways, the first Standard FNM I attend at the store I'm paired against the "best" player in the store. He's playing a RG Aggro deck and I'm playing UB Control. As the game goes late, he's out of cards in hand and with my full grip I continue to have answers for everything he topdecks. He starts angrily knocking the top of his deck on each of his draw steps and slamming cards in his graveyard that I countered. After I won, he looks at me a calmly and says "I'm not going to lie dude...that game almost made me quit Magic forever on the spot." Not knowing what to say I reply with "Oh...I'm sorry..." He then gets up starts slamming his fist into his other palm extremely hard over and over again, starts pacing around the store yelling "I ****ING HATE BLUE! I ****ING HATE BLUE!!". I was trying my hardest not to laugh.
Sometime later at the same store I'm playing against a woman I would guess was about 35. As I'm shuffling my deck for the first game, she starts placing her cards face up on the table like someone would do when they pile shuffle. As she's doing this she says "I like to do this so I don't get mana screwed". She then places the piles on top of each other and presents the deck for a cut, as she cuts my deck. I pick up her deck and start shuffling it and she glares at me and says "That's a funny kind of cut!!". I reply back "I mean, the deck does have to be randomized...". She flips out and yells "[Store Owner's Name] told me that I can do that! [Store Owner's Name]!! IS HE ALLOWED TO DO THAT???" The Store Owner tries to diffuse the situation and acknowledges that I'm allowed to shuffle her deck. She draws her opening seven and poetically, she gets mana screwed the entire game. She gives me the absolute stare of death the entire game as if I did something malevolent to her deck while shuffling.
Needless to say, as soon as I got that Wasteland I stopped playing at the store and haven't returned since.
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In a way, I did and didn't. I use the term friend but, as many of my friends know, I use it very lightly. My other friend, Person B, has been putting up with it, since all we ever do together is play games anyway. I've tried getting him to see the light of things. He's the type of person that simply doesn't pick sides, since this Person A never directly did anything wrong to Person B. That isn't to say he believes his behavior is ok, he just doesn't want to get involved.
I am not the only one to get the blunt end of the stick here. Person C, a new friend of mine who I really like playing magic with, said person A was being a jerk to him. I once overheard their magic game, in which "A" said to "C" "Are you going to do anything or just sit on your ***." I thought "A" was just in a bad mood, but apparently this continued when they faced each other at the draft at my LGS. C asked A "Can I friendly mulligan?" (this means to draw 7 instead of 6 if a hand was particularly bad.) "A" replies with "No, friendly mulligans are only between friends."
I've decided to keep "A" around because 1. Besides B, he is the only other long-term MTG player, so he is the only 3rd person who I can play without easily winning, and 2. me and "B" have known him since middle school, and since there is no way "B" will drop him as a friend, it would just create a lot of problems in trying to hang out with "B" without "A". Plus, at this point, the most recent event was a week ago, and I would seem like the bad guy if I dropped him over something that happened a week ago.
Ever play the rich guy who has the best constructed decks ever and wins and brags but then play the same rich guy in limited and he always gets squashed? And then you gotta hear about his all foil deck he purchased because it won the last Pro Tour. Those guys.
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