I'm a little skeptical of this story, only because this one shop I go to has a lot of kids your age and I've seen it first hand. If your opponent is salty, just let it go. You feeding the fire and yelling back IS just as bad as him starting it, because by responding, you make the situation 3x worse.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the things you may have said didn't sound bad in your head, but that doesn't mean they aren't. You saying "I hope you are happy now" is a really condescending thing to say, even to a salty opponent. On top of that, while I have seen bigoted store owners, I have never heard one say "I am the boss so what I say goes" so it leads me to believe you are emotional in that situation and may have overdramatized it in your head.
To put this in perspective, I once sat next to my friend in a pre-release who was playing this really snobby kid. The kid was nice enough outside of a game, but inside a game was different. When he played my friend, he got really upset because "there was no way his deck should've lost to a deck like this." Aparantly, this wasn't anything new, because the person next to him told him to stop acting childish *again*.
Then, when I played this same kid the next match, again he seemed nice enough, but when he ended up winning, he pulled the whole "see, this is how my deck wins, I shouldn't have ever lost." then he asked how my deck was doing. I was 3-0 up until that point, and he was 1-2, and he said "how did a deck like yours do better than mine?"
When the store owner got involved, the kid thought he was being singled out, he said he didn't know what he was being "yelled at" about (the store owner was not yelling), but ultimately, he calmed himself and left the store after the event.
Ultimately, you've got to learn not to respond to people like this, and to think about what you're saying before you say it. When you told the story owner "he started it" it demonstrated to him the thought process you were stuck on, that because he started it you shouldn't be to blame. However, it doesn't matter who started it, who fed it, it only matters who's in it, and that's the most important part.
All I read here was that since a kid acted immature at your LGS, then this "kid" is also immature. We don't know him. I'm inclined to believe that he is telling the truth, as opposed to being completely in the wrong, then going on a forum and lying. BTW, I'm 40 yrs. old.
My best one, or worst, was at a ptq. I was running boros burn in standard against a jund walkers dexk. G1 close loss,g2 I won swimmingly, game 3 I had mountainx2 3 emmisary, madcap, boros charm. So t1 land pass, t2 I draw a sacred foundry, shock for tripple emmisary and madcap, t3 draw a madma jet, goes pretty smooth, swing for 9, double strike my madcapped emmisary for 14 total to his face and he throws his deck at me and leaves. I gather his cards and go to the head judge, who tells me if he doesn't return to collect them, then they were given to me by the witness of 3 judges and 7 other players watching the match. He never came back, and no o e was contacted about them, so I ended up with another deck.
This is an amazing story! If this happened to me at a Legacy event, I think I'd sh!t my pants.
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foodChainGoblins - You are right, we do not know this guy. My words coming out as they did may very well solidify my point, though. Sometimes we act and/or speak in a manor that seems different in our heads than it really is when carried out. My point was there was a "possibility" at least that this was the case.
foodChainGoblins - You are right, we do not know this guy. My words coming out as they did may very well solidify my point, though. Sometimes we act and/or speak in a manor that seems different in our heads than it really is when carried out. My point was there was a "possibility" at least that this was the case.
Yeah that's true. By what was written, I think both were in the wrong. But even if the opponent is 60% wrong and you are 40% wrong, you still are both wrong. It's not a <sh!tting> contest. Nobody cares about who's more wrong. I'm just more inclined to believe the person who actually wrote this here, as opposed to the person who thought nothing of it because they probably do it all the time.
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Speaking as someone who has gotten frustrated with that attitude, this is exactly why it's frustrating.
I'm not accusing you of it (because I have no idea who you are) but one FNM when I was playing burn in Modern, I cast a spell when I had 3 Swiftspears out, I said "Prowess triggers here, here, and here." My opponent literally waved his hand and said "Just tell me how much I'm taking." So after 2 seconds of adding, re adding to make sure, I cast 2 more spells and swing with the team, killing him.
Later, between rounds, I overheard him telling his friends that I cheated him out of a game by doing more damage than I was supposed to. I'm absolutely sure I counted correctly, but his attitude made it so that he didn't want to acknowledge that he just lost normally - no cheating involved. It's not about being "proud" or showing off - it's about being clear that everything is above board.
So I played against this 15 year old jerk at my local modern FNM. His dad buys all his cards for him, and he plays UR storm. So heres the match game 1.
Me: Fetch, Delver
Him: Tarn, Vents
Me: Accidentally draw before untap. He tells me I'm cheating even though it's the least competitive tourney ever. Flip delver.
A few turns.
He combo'd his entire deck even though I said I have no response, just hit me for 20. Plays ELIXIR OF IMMORTALITY and does it again.
Game 2:
While side boarding, he tells judge I'm cheating because my sideboard is a different color than my deck and I'm switching sleeves. Judge tells him to shut up he's busy playing commander
Basically I just grixis delver the heck out of him.
Game 3:
He eventually starts to combo. Then, he casts the one grapeshot (Idek why he runs only one) for like 100 damage. I overload counterflux.
His facial expression was priceless. Then he proceeds to scoop the game and refuses to sign the match slip so I get less points (points for a bye)
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(On Lantern Control)"A guy who literally just sits there and mills cards he doesn't like from your library while he slowly, slowly kills you this way."
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It's round 3 of a Theros Sealed PTQ, and my first experience with a big Competitive REL event. I'm 1-1.
I go to my table and my opponent's not there. So I call judge, one comes over and a bit later my opponent shows up. Still well within the ten-minute window, so he gets a game loss for Tardiness and we get a time extension. Suffice it to say that he did not like that ruling.
Then as we're shuffling up for game "2" we're told that we're getting deck-checked. Now I should note that the TO had decided to give intro decks to anyone chosen for a random deck-check. But we weren't; we were getting deck-checked because there was an issue with his deck registration sheet. (I felt that I should have gotten an intro deck, since I was essentially getting randomly deck-checked by dint of having been randomly paired against someone who had an issue with his deck list, but I decide not to argue the point.) He's obviously fuming at that point, and I was actually hoping that there was nothing wrong with his deck because I didn't want to be in range if he exploded at losing over two penalty game losses (Tardiness and Deck/Decklist Problem). There's nothing wrong with his list (or at least nothing warranting a penalty), so we play, getting another time extension.
Anyway, he wins both games, we fill out and sign the slip, and the judge who'd come over to administer our time extension takes it. At some point after the match finished--I can't recall if the judge had left at this point--he comes out with this gem:
"Don't feel too bad. I won this event last year."
I've since tried to brush up on my understanding of policy, and if I knew then what I know now--and had the confidence I do now--I think I would have called a judge on him for that.
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So I played against this 15 year old jerk at my local modern FNM. His dad buys all his cards for him, and he plays UR storm. So heres the match game 1.
Me: Fetch, Delver
Him: Tarn, Vents
Me: Accidentally draw before untap. He tells me I'm cheating even though it's the least competitive tourney ever. Flip delver.
A few turns.
He combo'd his entire deck even though I said I have no response, just hit me for 20. Plays ELIXIR OF IMMORTALITY and does it again.
Game 2:
While side boarding, he tells judge I'm cheating because my sideboard is a different color than my deck and I'm switching sleeves. Judge tells him to shut up he's busy playing commander
Basically I just grixis delver the heck out of him.
Game 3:
He eventually starts to combo. Then, he casts the one grapeshot (Idek why he runs only one) for like 100 damage. I overload counterflux.
His facial expression was priceless. Then he proceeds to scoop the game and refuses to sign the match slip so I get less points (points for a bye)
It's right your opponent was a jerk but the judge was wrong too. It's not really an example to follow.
No it was at a local modern tournament and everyone knows each other. And everyone knows hes a total d bag so it's okay. One of the other stupid things he does is treat every match like a pro tour final
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(On Lantern Control)"A guy who literally just sits there and mills cards he doesn't like from your library while he slowly, slowly kills you this way."
"If a person's profile includes anime or My Little Pony, feel free to ignore everything they say."
You talk about the player or the judge who tells him to shut up?(it's that i consider a bad thing to do)
The player. The judge was just joking around our store is a tight-knit community and everyone knows each other. He's just the one person who always comes and everyone hates.
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(On Lantern Control)"A guy who literally just sits there and mills cards he doesn't like from your library while he slowly, slowly kills you this way."
"If a person's profile includes anime or My Little Pony, feel free to ignore everything they say."
There's a guy who always rubbed me the wrong way at a peasant event that barely could draw enough people to fire. Mind you, these are casual events with like a dollar entry. He would always pressure me, asking me if I was done yet, if he could take his turn, and at one point I just got exasperated "dude, stop asking me every other second... I will signal to you when I am done!".
The only other occurrence that comes to mind was the first time I drafted at this shop I beat a regular customer who apparently really wanted to win, because after the 3rd round of our match he picked his deck up and threw it across the room. It's like "it's ok man, even the best of us sometimes lose our drafts!" Having to console someone in their mid-twenties when they are throwing a tantrum in public is just a bit awkward.
I had a fun one playing MTGO yesterday, In a draft I had a BW allies deck that didn't quite come together, but enough support cards and a chitnonious cloak so that I could steal games if I got an aggressive enough draw. In round two of a swiss event I'm up against RG that doesn't cast anything before turn 4. I crush him game 1 and have lethal on board game 2 when he says, "I can't believe I lost to that." I've long since learned to just not respond in these situations, but meanwhile he just sits there never passing priority to me. After 9 and a half minutes right before he's going to time out, he tells me how lucky I am and basically tells me that if he had 4 copies of black lotus in his deck he would have won. Joke is on him because when you time out on MTGO you automatically get booted from the draft so he didn't get to play his round 3.
The only other occurrence that comes to mind was the first time I drafted at this shop I beat a regular customer who apparently really wanted to win, because after the 3rd round of our match he picked his deck up and threw it across the room. It's like "it's ok man, even the best of us sometimes lose our drafts!" Having to console someone in their mid-twenties when they are throwing a tantrum in public is just a bit awkward.
I've seen normally rational, even keel people get really salty/angry a few times. Sometimes it's just a particularly bad string of luck that gets them tilted, but normally it's because something crappy is going on in their life and the game is just the outlet it gets expressed in.
When I was in high school playing casually I built a deck using 4x Mind Twist, 4x Dark Ritual, 4x Sol Ring, etc. I hit my friend's Squirrel deck with a Mind Twist for 5 on the first turn. He picked my deck up and threw it across the cafeteria. So rude.
I was in a 2HG event with my brother. I believe this was either Planar Chaos or Future Sight. I suspend Hypergenesis, and 3 turns later, it goes off. Opponents respond by asking, "So, how does this work?" so we explain it to them. "Oh, but is that the correct order things happen in?" We explain again.
Then as soon as we're done, they call a judge over and tell the judge that we're slowplaying.
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Then he proceeds to scoop the game and refuses to sign the match slip so I get less points (points for a bye)
Thats not how that works. Him not signing the slip has -zero- bearing on you getting less points. If at worst, it means you get a 2-0 game through your opponent 'not showing up' and conceding the match. conceding the match is a 2-0 victory and not a 'bye'.
Then he proceeds to scoop the game and refuses to sign the match slip so I get less points (points for a bye)
Thats not how that works. Him not signing the slip has -zero- bearing on you getting less points. If at worst, it means you get a 2-0 game through your opponent 'not showing up' and conceding the match. conceding the match is a 2-0 victory and not a 'bye'.
No we do tiebreaker pairings, so if two people are 4-0, and he concedes, I get less points due to the way the computer program works
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(On Lantern Control)"A guy who literally just sits there and mills cards he doesn't like from your library while he slowly, slowly kills you this way."
"If a person's profile includes anime or My Little Pony, feel free to ignore everything they say."
Ironically, the rudest person I have played with is probably my self. At least according to someone else.
I attended my first pre-release when Oath of the Gatewatch came out. I avoid sanctioned MtG events and whatnot like The Plauge, it just isn't my style to Draft or Seal. I like Casual; play whatever you can acquire style games. For me that's a lot more fun than getting some random jank cards for 30$+ dollars that'll never see the light of day again. Erm, I digress...
Anyway, my friends and I went out to the nearest LGS, a small little hut that I love to spend hours inside. We got all set up, registered, paid, the whole works. We played for... five or six hours? Something like that. I went 1-1-1 with a G/W Support deck - mostly I had fun just playing new people and watching other people play.
At the end of the event one of the new folk I met asked how I liked the event. I gave him my honest answer; It had ultimately felt like a waste of time and money. I appreciated being able to talk shop and watch some amazing plays, but the whole Sanctioned thing just really is not my cup of tea. I said I probably wouldn't go again, I prefer Casual myself.
Well damn, you'd have think I had insulted this man's mother or ran over his dog. He was livid, like I had somehow personally crushed everything he stood for. I calmly explained that just because I didn't like the Tournament mentality it didn't somehow make it wrong. I just wasn't into it. He gave me the nastiest of nasty looks, called me a "bloody Casual" and stormed off.
I thought I was a good sport the whole time and just gave an honest reply to a question asked of me. I don't know. I guess I'm just a Bloody Casual, ya'know?
Anyway, he wins both games, we fill out and sign the slip, and the judge who'd come over to administer our time extension takes it. At some point after the match finished--I can't recall if the judge had left at this point--he comes out with this gem:
"Don't feel too bad. I won this event last year."
I've since tried to brush up on my understanding of policy, and if I knew then what I know now--and had the confidence I do now--I think I would have called a judge on him for that.
Why would you call a judge over for this? He just said he won last year. I don't understand the problem.
Anyway, he wins both games, we fill out and sign the slip, and the judge who'd come over to administer our time extension takes it. At some point after the match finished--I can't recall if the judge had left at this point--he comes out with this gem:
"Don't feel too bad. I won this event last year."
I've since tried to brush up on my understanding of policy, and if I knew then what I know now--and had the confidence I do now--I think I would have called a judge on him for that.
Why would you call a judge over for this? He just said he won last year. I don't understand the problem.
Because of the first sentence combined with the second--not just the second--and because I think it might have been a USC-Minor infraction. I might have been wrong, but I don't think I was necessarily wrong. But I didn't have the confidence at the time to feel comfortable calling a judge over it--I just wanted to get away from the guy, particularly after his negativity over his game loss for Tardiness and the deck check.
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Legacy: R Burn, GU Infect, RG Lands, B Contamination
Anyway, he wins both games, we fill out and sign the slip, and the judge who'd come over to administer our time extension takes it. At some point after the match finished--I can't recall if the judge had left at this point--he comes out with this gem:
"Don't feel too bad. I won this event last year."
I've since tried to brush up on my understanding of policy, and if I knew then what I know now--and had the confidence I do now--I think I would have called a judge on him for that.
Why would you call a judge over for this? He just said he won last year. I don't understand the problem.
Because of the first sentence combined with the second--not just the second--and because I think it might have been a USC-Minor infraction. I might have been wrong, but I don't think I was necessarily wrong. But I didn't have the confidence at the time to feel comfortable calling a judge over it--I just wanted to get away from the guy, particularly after his negativity over his game loss for Tardiness and the deck check.
That would not be considered USC. My opponent in the 5th round of a PPTQ opened up our match with "I feel bad being the one to knock you out". I didn't think anything of it, some people are just cocky, but it felt great taking that round 2-0.
Anyway, he wins both games, we fill out and sign the slip, and the judge who'd come over to administer our time extension takes it. At some point after the match finished--I can't recall if the judge had left at this point--he comes out with this gem:
"Don't feel too bad. I won this event last year."
I've since tried to brush up on my understanding of policy, and if I knew then what I know now--and had the confidence I do now--I think I would have called a judge on him for that.
Why would you call a judge over for this? He just said he won last year. I don't understand the problem.
Because of the first sentence combined with the second--not just the second--and because I think it might have been a USC-Minor infraction. I might have been wrong, but I don't think I was necessarily wrong. But I didn't have the confidence at the time to feel comfortable calling a judge over it--I just wanted to get away from the guy, particularly after his negativity over his game loss for Tardiness and the deck check.
That would not be considered USC. My opponent in the 5th round of a PPTQ opened up our match with "I feel bad being the one to knock you out". I didn't think anything of it, some people are just cocky, but it felt great taking that round 2-0.
Then I would have learned something about what is and is not USC. There's no penalty for calling a judge as long as I don't press the point once I've said my piece and received the ruling.
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Currently solving:
Standard: Too poor for this format.
Modern: GW Auras, Living End, WB TurboFog, UB Mill, UR Storm
Legacy: R Burn, GU Infect, RG Lands, B Contamination
In a recent modern event I played Jeskai control and won a close and grindy matchup against Jund. He won g1 off Liliana -6. I scoop the cards and say "Let's go to sideboard." He responds, "That's what happens when I play Magic."
Game two I kill him with Helix, snap helix, untap attack. And he says, "Did you draw enough snapcasters?" There had been one in my opening hand that he thoughtseize'd and then the one that killed him.
G3 I remanded him on T2 and T3 and later in the game snapp remanded him twice. After the game he complained I was "too lucky and drew too many remand like a lucksack". Is drawing 2 of a 4 of card "luck sacking"? In G1 when I died to Liliana number two was he lucksacking? = p
Anyway, he wins both games, we fill out and sign the slip, and the judge who'd come over to administer our time extension takes it. At some point after the match finished--I can't recall if the judge had left at this point--he comes out with this gem:
"Don't feel too bad. I won this event last year."
I've since tried to brush up on my understanding of policy, and if I knew then what I know now--and had the confidence I do now--I think I would have called a judge on him for that.
Why would you call a judge over for this? He just said he won last year. I don't understand the problem.
Because of the first sentence combined with the second--not just the second--and because I think it might have been a USC-Minor infraction. I might have been wrong, but I don't think I was necessarily wrong. But I didn't have the confidence at the time to feel comfortable calling a judge over it--I just wanted to get away from the guy, particularly after his negativity over his game loss for Tardiness and the deck check.
That would not be considered USC. My opponent in the 5th round of a PPTQ opened up our match with "I feel bad being the one to knock you out". I didn't think anything of it, some people are just cocky, but it felt great taking that round 2-0.
Then I would have learned something about what is and is not USC. There's no penalty for calling a judge as long as I don't press the point once I've said my piece and received the ruling.
Jesus.
Calling a judge over nothing to try to sleaze out a free win against someone who swept you 2-0 epitomizes just about everything that makes organized play terrible.
Why would you call a judge over for this? He just said he won last year. I don't understand the problem.
Because of the first sentence combined with the second--not just the second--and because I think it might have been a USC-Minor infraction. I might have been wrong, but I don't think I was necessarily wrong. But I didn't have the confidence at the time to feel comfortable calling a judge over it--I just wanted to get away from the guy, particularly after his negativity over his game loss for Tardiness and the deck check.
That would not be considered USC. My opponent in the 5th round of a PPTQ opened up our match with "I feel bad being the one to knock you out". I didn't think anything of it, some people are just cocky, but it felt great taking that round 2-0.
Then I would have learned something about what is and is not USC. There's no penalty for calling a judge as long as I don't press the point once I've said my piece and received the ruling.
Jesus.
Calling a judge over nothing to try to sleaze out a free win against someone who swept you 2-0 epitomizes just about everything that makes organized play terrible.
Being cocky is not illegal. I said something to that extent when an opponent tried to ruleslawyer his own bad play away. In Time Spiral he attacked into a morph with the 2/2 orc that can gain flying. I block with my morph. Say after damage, and then unmorph a 1/3, killing his orc guy. He calls a judge and says he hadn't agreed it was after damage. This got him the equivalent of a free lava axe and a duress before I killed his orc guy and then killed him.
I recall saying something like "sorry you couldn't cheat a win". The guy was a jerk trying to ninja a free win.
For you, the opponent felt that you ninja'd a game loss. If you called a judge because he said something mildly snarky you're not going to get a free win. He might get a slap on the wrist, if anything. Snark is not illegal (otherwise there would be way fewer players).
Regarding some guy a few pages back, I once drew too many cards because of sticky sleeves in a human city in Asia. It was at FNM. I think they shuffled back in the last card drawn or something. Seems like the Japanese are less rules-lawyery. Even in a pre-release I was denied a free win when a guy had a 39 card deck, having dropped some cards on the floor before the match.
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All I read here was that since a kid acted immature at your LGS, then this "kid" is also immature. We don't know him. I'm inclined to believe that he is telling the truth, as opposed to being completely in the wrong, then going on a forum and lying. BTW, I'm 40 yrs. old.
This is an amazing story! If this happened to me at a Legacy event, I think I'd sh!t my pants.
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Yeah that's true. By what was written, I think both were in the wrong. But even if the opponent is 60% wrong and you are 40% wrong, you still are both wrong. It's not a <sh!tting> contest. Nobody cares about who's more wrong. I'm just more inclined to believe the person who actually wrote this here, as opposed to the person who thought nothing of it because they probably do it all the time.
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)yeah probably, he seemed like the type for sure but whatever it just never came to my mind
Speaking as someone who has gotten frustrated with that attitude, this is exactly why it's frustrating.
I'm not accusing you of it (because I have no idea who you are) but one FNM when I was playing burn in Modern, I cast a spell when I had 3 Swiftspears out, I said "Prowess triggers here, here, and here." My opponent literally waved his hand and said "Just tell me how much I'm taking." So after 2 seconds of adding, re adding to make sure, I cast 2 more spells and swing with the team, killing him.
Later, between rounds, I overheard him telling his friends that I cheated him out of a game by doing more damage than I was supposed to. I'm absolutely sure I counted correctly, but his attitude made it so that he didn't want to acknowledge that he just lost normally - no cheating involved. It's not about being "proud" or showing off - it's about being clear that everything is above board.
Me: Fetch, Delver
Him: Tarn, Vents
Me: Accidentally draw before untap. He tells me I'm cheating even though it's the least competitive tourney ever. Flip delver.
A few turns.
He combo'd his entire deck even though I said I have no response, just hit me for 20. Plays ELIXIR OF IMMORTALITY and does it again.
Game 2:
While side boarding, he tells judge I'm cheating because my sideboard is a different color than my deck and I'm switching sleeves. Judge tells him to shut up he's busy playing commander
Basically I just grixis delver the heck out of him.
Game 3:
He eventually starts to combo. Then, he casts the one grapeshot (Idek why he runs only one) for like 100 damage. I overload counterflux.
His facial expression was priceless. Then he proceeds to scoop the game and refuses to sign the match slip so I get less points (points for a bye)
I go to my table and my opponent's not there. So I call judge, one comes over and a bit later my opponent shows up. Still well within the ten-minute window, so he gets a game loss for Tardiness and we get a time extension. Suffice it to say that he did not like that ruling.
Then as we're shuffling up for game "2" we're told that we're getting deck-checked. Now I should note that the TO had decided to give intro decks to anyone chosen for a random deck-check. But we weren't; we were getting deck-checked because there was an issue with his deck registration sheet. (I felt that I should have gotten an intro deck, since I was essentially getting randomly deck-checked by dint of having been randomly paired against someone who had an issue with his deck list, but I decide not to argue the point.) He's obviously fuming at that point, and I was actually hoping that there was nothing wrong with his deck because I didn't want to be in range if he exploded at losing over two penalty game losses (Tardiness and Deck/Decklist Problem). There's nothing wrong with his list (or at least nothing warranting a penalty), so we play, getting another time extension.
Anyway, he wins both games, we fill out and sign the slip, and the judge who'd come over to administer our time extension takes it. At some point after the match finished--I can't recall if the judge had left at this point--he comes out with this gem:
"Don't feel too bad. I won this event last year."
I've since tried to brush up on my understanding of policy, and if I knew then what I know now--and had the confidence I do now--I think I would have called a judge on him for that.
I don't play decks. I solve optimization problems.
Currently solving:
Standard: Too poor for this format.
Modern: GW Auras, Living End, WB TurboFog, UB Mill, UR Storm
Legacy: R Burn, GU Infect, RG Lands, B Contamination
No it was at a local modern tournament and everyone knows each other. And everyone knows hes a total d bag so it's okay. One of the other stupid things he does is treat every match like a pro tour final
The player. The judge was just joking around our store is a tight-knit community and everyone knows each other. He's just the one person who always comes and everyone hates.
The only other occurrence that comes to mind was the first time I drafted at this shop I beat a regular customer who apparently really wanted to win, because after the 3rd round of our match he picked his deck up and threw it across the room. It's like "it's ok man, even the best of us sometimes lose our drafts!" Having to console someone in their mid-twenties when they are throwing a tantrum in public is just a bit awkward.
I've seen normally rational, even keel people get really salty/angry a few times. Sometimes it's just a particularly bad string of luck that gets them tilted, but normally it's because something crappy is going on in their life and the game is just the outlet it gets expressed in.
My friend was in the same pre-release. One of his opponents greeting was "Did you want to concede?"
(I'm not even trolling, it's a true story)
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Then as soon as we're done, they call a judge over and tell the judge that we're slowplaying.
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Thats not how that works. Him not signing the slip has -zero- bearing on you getting less points. If at worst, it means you get a 2-0 game through your opponent 'not showing up' and conceding the match. conceding the match is a 2-0 victory and not a 'bye'.
No we do tiebreaker pairings, so if two people are 4-0, and he concedes, I get less points due to the way the computer program works
I attended my first pre-release when Oath of the Gatewatch came out. I avoid sanctioned MtG events and whatnot like The Plauge, it just isn't my style to Draft or Seal. I like Casual; play whatever you can acquire style games. For me that's a lot more fun than getting some random jank cards for 30$+ dollars that'll never see the light of day again. Erm, I digress...
Anyway, my friends and I went out to the nearest LGS, a small little hut that I love to spend hours inside. We got all set up, registered, paid, the whole works. We played for... five or six hours? Something like that. I went 1-1-1 with a G/W Support deck - mostly I had fun just playing new people and watching other people play.
At the end of the event one of the new folk I met asked how I liked the event. I gave him my honest answer; It had ultimately felt like a waste of time and money. I appreciated being able to talk shop and watch some amazing plays, but the whole Sanctioned thing just really is not my cup of tea. I said I probably wouldn't go again, I prefer Casual myself.
Well damn, you'd have think I had insulted this man's mother or ran over his dog. He was livid, like I had somehow personally crushed everything he stood for. I calmly explained that just because I didn't like the Tournament mentality it didn't somehow make it wrong. I just wasn't into it. He gave me the nastiest of nasty looks, called me a "bloody Casual" and stormed off.
I thought I was a good sport the whole time and just gave an honest reply to a question asked of me. I don't know. I guess I'm just a Bloody Casual, ya'know?
Why would you call a judge over for this? He just said he won last year. I don't understand the problem.
Because of the first sentence combined with the second--not just the second--and because I think it might have been a USC-Minor infraction. I might have been wrong, but I don't think I was necessarily wrong. But I didn't have the confidence at the time to feel comfortable calling a judge over it--I just wanted to get away from the guy, particularly after his negativity over his game loss for Tardiness and the deck check.
I don't play decks. I solve optimization problems.
Currently solving:
Standard: Too poor for this format.
Modern: GW Auras, Living End, WB TurboFog, UB Mill, UR Storm
Legacy: R Burn, GU Infect, RG Lands, B Contamination
That would not be considered USC. My opponent in the 5th round of a PPTQ opened up our match with "I feel bad being the one to knock you out". I didn't think anything of it, some people are just cocky, but it felt great taking that round 2-0.
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Then I would have learned something about what is and is not USC. There's no penalty for calling a judge as long as I don't press the point once I've said my piece and received the ruling.
I don't play decks. I solve optimization problems.
Currently solving:
Standard: Too poor for this format.
Modern: GW Auras, Living End, WB TurboFog, UB Mill, UR Storm
Legacy: R Burn, GU Infect, RG Lands, B Contamination
Game two I kill him with Helix, snap helix, untap attack. And he says, "Did you draw enough snapcasters?" There had been one in my opening hand that he thoughtseize'd and then the one that killed him.
G3 I remanded him on T2 and T3 and later in the game snapp remanded him twice. After the game he complained I was "too lucky and drew too many remand like a lucksack". Is drawing 2 of a 4 of card "luck sacking"? In G1 when I died to Liliana number two was he lucksacking? = p
Calling a judge over nothing to try to sleaze out a free win against someone who swept you 2-0 epitomizes just about everything that makes organized play terrible.
Being cocky is not illegal. I said something to that extent when an opponent tried to ruleslawyer his own bad play away. In Time Spiral he attacked into a morph with the 2/2 orc that can gain flying. I block with my morph. Say after damage, and then unmorph a 1/3, killing his orc guy. He calls a judge and says he hadn't agreed it was after damage. This got him the equivalent of a free lava axe and a duress before I killed his orc guy and then killed him.
I recall saying something like "sorry you couldn't cheat a win". The guy was a jerk trying to ninja a free win.
For you, the opponent felt that you ninja'd a game loss. If you called a judge because he said something mildly snarky you're not going to get a free win. He might get a slap on the wrist, if anything. Snark is not illegal (otherwise there would be way fewer players).
Regarding some guy a few pages back, I once drew too many cards because of sticky sleeves in a human city in Asia. It was at FNM. I think they shuffled back in the last card drawn or something. Seems like the Japanese are less rules-lawyery. Even in a pre-release I was denied a free win when a guy had a 39 card deck, having dropped some cards on the floor before the match.