All these calls for heightened security are a knee jerk reaction to an unfortunate incident. If conventions brought heightened security, they would be there to protect the tournament organizers and the vendors who have paid to have a table at the show.
If someone wants to depend on someone else to protect their goods, then they should do it themselves or hire them from their own pocket. If the event organizers hired security, that will jump the costs of the entrance fees significantly. Want them to carry fire arms too? Then we have to bring insurance coverage into the picture which brings a an entire additional set of costs.
Most of the people who steal magic cards from events are opportunists. They aren't career thieves but seeing a pro leave his bag unattended is a pretty awesome opportunity to make an easy 5000+. A lot of people become thieves when people start being stupid and not watching their stuff.
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I am in total disagreement with you all. How many of you that are claiming ignorance/etc have been to a GP? Was it ignorance when the guy took his bag with him which he was wearing front facing to the bathroom just to be attacked? It's a freaking magic the gathering tournament and the cards have high value. We should feel safe at the events and blaming people for being ignorant is not the solution. A dealer even had a full P9 stolen out of his case at gencon.
Ask any yugioh player why they quit going to the big events. Cheating and theft is rampant there and they do nothing about it. While you can sit around and blame people for being ignorant from the safety of your computer the bottom line is it majorly hurt that game just like it's already hurt magic.
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I am in total disagreement with you all. How many of you that are claiming ignorance/etc have been to a GP? Was it ignorance when the guy took his bag with him which he was wearing front facing to the bathroom just to be attacked? It's a freaking magic the gathering tournament and the cards have high value. We should feel safe at the events and blaming people for being ignorant is not the solution. A dealer even had a full P9 stolen out of his case at gencon.
Ask any yugioh player why they quit going to the big events. Cheating and theft is rampant there and they do nothing about it. While you can sit around and blame people for being ignorant from the safety of your computer the bottom line is it majorly hurt that game just like it's already hurt magic.
I've been to a GP. Frankly, I'm surprised that theft hasn't been more commonplace than it is. I understand that it's not acceptable, nor should it be, but it's a fact of life. Wherever there is anything high value, there is bound to be those who want to take it "the easy way". We SHOULD feel safe at events, but the fact remains that in the real world these things happen.
Kids should feel safe in schools, yet there are still those that assault, rob, and even kill each other there. We should feel safe going to a baseball game, yet there are those that can assault us to the point of coma and death over wearing the opposing team's hat. Regardless of security levels these things DO HAPPEN.
Yes, having a visible security presence may reduce thefts and assaults...but they'll still happen. It's simple: if you don't want to be a target, don't make yourself an easy mark. The same common sense should be applied to a GP as they would any other public event. Also, even though security can be present, that doesn't mean they'll make it to you in time.
I'm sorry if it's harsh and again I completely agree that we SHOULD feel safe...but the fact of the matter is that we are all responsible for our own personal safety. Until each player is afforded personal protection at events (won't happen) the best defense is to limit our exposure to those who would seek to do us harm.
Going to the bathroom? leave your stuff with a trusted friend.
Trading? Never take your eyes off your binder, ESPECIALLY when someone is flipping through it. Don't let them take cards out for any reason. Write down what they want, and what you want (or simply remember the lists) so your valuable cards aren't pulled and palmed, or "accidentally" dropped, etc.
The ignorance doesn't lie with those of us saying to protect your stuff, it's with those who expect every single person in a group of thousands to be friendly and honest. I'd love for that to be true, but it's not. Until it is, stay vigilant.
(As a side note, I've worked concert and event hall security at venues ranging from 1000-100,000 person capacity. It never mattered how many of us there were, if something is going to happen, then it's going to happen. All we can do is respond, not prevent it from occurring in the first place.)
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I've been to a GP. Frankly, I'm surprised that theft hasn't been more commonplace than it is. I understand that it's not acceptable, nor should it be, but it's a fact of life. Wherever there is anything high value, there is bound to be those who want to take it "the easy way". We SHOULD feel safe at events, but the fact remains that in the real world these things happen.
Kids should feel safe in schools, yet there are still those that assault, rob, and even kill each other there. We should feel safe going to a baseball game, yet there are those that can assault us to the point of coma and death over wearing the opposing team's hat. Regardless of security levels these things DO HAPPEN.
Yes, having a visible security presence may reduce thefts and assaults...but they'll still happen. It's simple: if you don't want to be a target, don't make yourself an easy mark. The same common sense should be applied to a GP as they would any other public event. Also, even though security can be present, that doesn't mean they'll make it to you in time.
I'm sorry if it's harsh and again I completely agree that we SHOULD feel safe...but the fact of the matter is that we are all responsible for our own personal safety. Until each player is afforded personal protection at events (won't happen) the best defense is to limit our exposure to those who would seek to do us harm.
Going to the bathroom? leave your stuff with a trusted friend.
Trading? Never take your eyes off your binder, ESPECIALLY when someone is flipping through it. Don't let them take cards out for any reason. Write down what they want, and what you want (or simply remember the lists) so your valuable cards aren't pulled and palmed, or "accidentally" dropped, etc.
The ignorance doesn't lie with those of us saying to protect your stuff, it's with those who expect every single person in a group of thousands to be friendly and honest. I'd love for that to be true, but it's not. Until it is, stay vigilant.
(As a side note, I've worked concert and event hall security at venues ranging from 1000-100,000 person capacity. It never mattered how many of us there were, if something is going to happen, then it's going to happen. All we can do is respond, not prevent it from occurring in the first place.)
I agree there of course has to be some personal responsibility but we should not have to live in constant fear while at a WOTC event. While no matter what they do there will always be issues there are also a lot of solutions that they could easily implement that would be a huge deterrent to anyone thinking of stealing a bag there. I honestly still think my camera idea is a solid idea where everyone must look into a camera on the way in and out without a hat/hoodie/etc on. Thieves do not want to have their face on camera and it would make tracking them down much easier than just having a guy with a black hoodie on camera from the ceiling view.
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IMO were almost to the point where they need to rope off the play area and ask anyone not playing to leave or watch from behind the lines. Photo on DCI accounts/at events would help but I suspect that while a fair number of crimes at these things are purely opportunistic a fair few are perpetrated by folks who are just there to steal.
What buildings or when are you required to look into a camera on the way in or out of a building?
In Canada there isn't any such requirement. Also how do they enforce this? Is there someone that will stop you from entering the building until you comply looking at the camera? What is the cost of all this? And finally how does this help? Usually when something is stolen, i imagine rarely do people notice right away, so they are unable to identify the thrifty.
I have seen this actually...certain sex shops require you do this (and hold your ID up to the camera too) this is done for their own liability reasons rather than security (they can get in lots of trouble for allowing minors in)
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I think this is a situation in which a little bit of enforcement goes a long way. Leave some bait bags around. Maybe have someone carry one and talk loudly about the cost of his Vintage deck. Of course the bag (or the deck, or whatever) has RFID hidden in it or something and as soon as the thief tries to leave the building you nab him.
Not only do you get the thieves the convictions they desperately need, and maybe recover some stolen property, you also ensure that everyone knows that there is an actual possibility that thieves will be caught.
IMO were almost to the point where they need to rope off the play area and ask anyone not playing to leave or watch from behind the lines. Photo on DCI accounts/at events would help but I suspect that while a fair number of crimes at these things are purely opportunistic a fair few are perpetrated by folks who are just there to steal.
Honestly roping off the play area is not a bad idea at all when the event is open to the public. This would also depend on the layout of the event if this would work or not. You would want to make sure people were monitoring people going under the ropes and make sure no tables were close to the ropes.
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I agree there of course has to be some personal responsibility but we should not have to live in constant fear while at a WOTC event. While no matter what they do there will always be issues there are also a lot of solutions that they could easily implement that would be a huge deterrent to anyone thinking of stealing a bag there. I honestly still think my camera idea is a solid idea where everyone must look into a camera on the way in and out without a hat/hoodie/etc on. Thieves do not want to have their face on camera and it would make tracking them down much easier than just having a guy with a black hoodie on camera from the ceiling view.
What do you do when they walk in with a spare change of clothes in their bag? Are you going to require the contents of someone's bag to be photographed and cataloged? If they wear their change of clothes under what they walk in with are you going to make them strip down in order to record everything they're wearing?
If we require people to hold up their IDs (what do you do about minors, btw...you can't legally obligate them to do this) then the honest people will comply. Those entering already planning on stealing (and learning this beforehand, since I'm sure such a policy would be publicized) will just hold up a fake ID with a big smile on their face. This didn't stop them from stealing in the first place, you still don't know who they are, and if they change their appearance once they're inside the venue odds are you'll never correctly associate the face with the thief.
I know your suggestions are made with the best interest of the community in mind, but based on my first-hand experience with exactly this issue I assure you they'll be wholly ineffective.
EDIT: roping off the play area and only allowing competitors to be inside the ropes would be a GREAT measure, however. Limiting access is about the best thing you can do. There's not much you can do to protect the trade area though
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What buildings or when are you required to look into a camera on the way in or out of a building?
In Canada there isn't any such requirement. Also how do they enforce this? Is there someone that will stop you from entering the building until you comply looking at the camera? What is the cost of all this? And finally how does this help? Usually when something is stolen, i imagine rarely do people notice right away, so they are unable to identify the thrifty.
The point of this is lets say someone remembers seeing a shady guy walking around looking at binders and then as soon as something is noticed as stolen they see him exiting the building or he left a few minutes after the theft. They now have him leaving the building on camera and can go back through the tapes when he entered to find his face on camera when he entered. Once they have his face police can match it to arrest records or use it to find the thieves. Having a guilty face in a video is 100x better than having nothing. The local news can run his face and typically someone will recognize him if he is a local.
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I think my camera idea is a pretty solid idea and the best one that I can think of that does not involve searching bags or something that would majorly slow down people entering and exiting. Thieves would not want their face on a camera and I think it would be a huge deterrent to them trying to steal anything.
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Have designated, roped off areas for trading/cubing/casual games. Charge a fee of $5/day for a badge. Have a judge/assistant ensuring everyone in the area has a badge. In that area have off-duty cops.
If you want to seriously deter theft then announce that you've hired off-duty cops to assist with security, and that there are additional security measures being taken.
You can also do what is/was done by a Pastimes for GPs, and that is hire off duty cops who are familiar with magic to assist.
My solution: Have two identical bags. One for your cards and one for a nasty surprise for thieves. Put all sorts of bondage gear and a binder filled with full color proxies of your cards(so you can arrange trade at a more secure location) inside the surprise bag and leave the real bag in your hotel room. Pretend to trade. When thieves try to steal your bag let them. Laugh when you think about how dumb they'll feel when they get to their hotel room.
Seriously though, try to arrange high level trades away from the tournament site and don't bring your personal treasures into a place with a lot of strangers. I see I'll have to bring one of those extendable clubs if I ever go to anything higher than an FNM. >.<
baltimore is the scummiest area ive ever traveled to for magic and otherwise (and ive been pretty much everywhere). its currently the only event i go to where i am on guard at all times and when trading (which is 24/7 during the event cause thats what im there for). i only have one binder out at a time and put all valuables into a diff binder in my bag (with all the cards reversed in a black sleeve). only if someone asks for high values do i dig it out....literally hugging my bag at all times though in baltimore.
they were announcing like every rouond about thieves being about and snatching bags, kids walking in from the street who dont play magic just looking shady taking bags just to take them..
all in all ive been to baltimore like 3 times now and might not go back, its just a hassle...
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baltimore is the scummiest area ive ever traveled to for magic and otherwise (and ive been pretty much everywhere). its currently the only event i go to where i am on guard at all times and when trading (which is 24/7 during the event cause thats what im there for). i only have one binder out at a time and put all valuables into a diff binder in my bag (with all the cards reversed in a black sleeve). only if someone asks for high values do i dig it out....literally hugging my bag at all times though in baltimore.
they were announcing like every rouond about thieves being about and snatching bags, kids walking in from the street who dont play magic just looking shady taking bags just to take them..
all in all ive been to baltimore like 3 times now and might not go back, its just a hassle...
Yeah Dan, Baltimore was trash, with my playset of Elesh Norn stolen basically right in front of me in the hotel lobby and all. I actually entertained the idea of going back to Baltimore for the SCG Invitational there since I'm Q'd for it but after being in Baltimore once I never want to go back.
The point of this is lets say someone remembers seeing a shady guy walking around looking at binders and then as soon as something is noticed as stolen they see him exiting the building or he left a few minutes after the theft. They now have him leaving the building on camera and can go back through the tapes when he entered to find his face on camera when he entered. Once they have his face police can match it to arrest records or use it to find the thieves. Having a guilty face in a video is 100x better than having nothing. The local news can run his face and typically someone will recognize him if he is a local.
Wait, so you think its a good idea to pick someone who left at the time of the theft, and publicly shame them with no proof?
Most of the people who steal magic cards from events are opportunists. They aren't career thieves but seeing a pro leave his bag unattended is a pretty awesome opportunity to make an easy 5000+. A lot of people become thieves when people start being stupid and not watching their stuff.
I think at times they are career thieves, but the point is not moot. For a person to steal the reward must be worth the risk, and if the risk is increased then the thief will look for an easier mark. Making your stuff harder and riskier to take is the best solution.
I am in total disagreement with you all. How many of you that are claiming ignorance/etc have been to a GP? ... A dealer even had a full P9 stolen out of his case at gencon.
I think you should stop using GenCon as an example, since WotC is only one of MANY companies represented there. If your contention is that WotC ought to take some role in securing events, then GenCon is a poor example.
My suggestion is for Wizards to take a more active role in education about the potential and solutions for theft. If wizards did more than just have blurb about security on the event notice, or at the event center, then we could have a dramatic drop in theft. The best deterrents that I have find are thethers and locks. I use an ankle tether designed for snowboards (like this):
it is looped through my bag, and I have a luggage lock on my bag. Both can be foiled, sure, but the time and effort involved is just not worth it- especially if the contents are unknown. You could even get a inexpensive cable loop like this:
You can find them anywhere, and they are even more secure.
What Wizards should do is design and create products like this that are MTG themed- with images and such so that it actually looks like a cool piece of gaming gear. If they were to actively market such a security kit then it would also increase awareness of the potential for theft. By focusing on solutions instead of warnings you do not create the same atmosphere of fear. Everyone knows that even if you ride a $149 Target POS bike you still lock it up when you leave it outside, so why not create the same kind of awareness.
Another idea I thought of while writing this, is for Wizards to have someone at large tournaments who's job is to walk around and look for people who are doing a good job of keeping their valuables secure. They then would reward the person, perhaps in a very noticable way, with special product. If a kid knows that there is a person walking around a GP waiting to give away a full art foil Dark Confidant to three people he sees who are keeping their stuff secure, then you can be darn sure that kid and his friends are going to take property security much more seriously.
Do you know how much they make??? If the average GP takes in 1500 people thats 60,000 dollars in entry fees. Prizes maybe 15,000 at most not including side events. Leaving them with 45,000 they can spend 15000 on security measures and still take home a pretty penny.
Do you know how much they make??? If the average GP takes in 1500 people thats 60,000 dollars in entry fees. Prizes maybe 15,000 at most not including side events. Leaving them with 45,000 they can spend 15000 on security measures and still take home a pretty penny.
Add in the cost of site rental. Add in the cost of materials for sealed events. Add in judge costs and what not. It really isn't as much as you think.
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Do you know how much they make??? If the average GP takes in 1500 people thats 60,000 dollars in entry fees. Prizes maybe 15,000 at most not including side events. Leaving them with 45,000 they can spend 15000 on security measures and still take home a pretty penny.
Minus:
Hall rental
Promotional material, both pre-event online and at the event.
Insurance for the event.
I don't think they are making as much as you think they do.
Add in the cost of site rental. Add in the cost of materials for sealed events. Add in judge costs and what not. It really isn't as much as you think.
okay it is free to almost free for them since all it is cardboard. Judge costs same thing since all they get is Judge promos. At most its around 2000 bucks for product and judge costs. Site rental at most of 5000 bucks. leaving them with a profit of around 10000-15000 dollars.
okay it is free to almost free for them since all it is cardboard. Judge costs same thing since all they get is Judge promos. At most its around 2000 bucks for product and judge costs. Site rental at most of 5000 bucks. leaving them with a profit of around 10000-15000 dollars.
Please don't speak on subjects you clearly know nothing about. Thanks.
If someone wants to depend on someone else to protect their goods, then they should do it themselves or hire them from their own pocket. If the event organizers hired security, that will jump the costs of the entrance fees significantly. Want them to carry fire arms too? Then we have to bring insurance coverage into the picture which brings a an entire additional set of costs.
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Ask any yugioh player why they quit going to the big events. Cheating and theft is rampant there and they do nothing about it. While you can sit around and blame people for being ignorant from the safety of your computer the bottom line is it majorly hurt that game just like it's already hurt magic.
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I've been to a GP. Frankly, I'm surprised that theft hasn't been more commonplace than it is. I understand that it's not acceptable, nor should it be, but it's a fact of life. Wherever there is anything high value, there is bound to be those who want to take it "the easy way". We SHOULD feel safe at events, but the fact remains that in the real world these things happen.
Kids should feel safe in schools, yet there are still those that assault, rob, and even kill each other there. We should feel safe going to a baseball game, yet there are those that can assault us to the point of coma and death over wearing the opposing team's hat. Regardless of security levels these things DO HAPPEN.
Yes, having a visible security presence may reduce thefts and assaults...but they'll still happen. It's simple: if you don't want to be a target, don't make yourself an easy mark. The same common sense should be applied to a GP as they would any other public event. Also, even though security can be present, that doesn't mean they'll make it to you in time.
I'm sorry if it's harsh and again I completely agree that we SHOULD feel safe...but the fact of the matter is that we are all responsible for our own personal safety. Until each player is afforded personal protection at events (won't happen) the best defense is to limit our exposure to those who would seek to do us harm.
Going to the bathroom? leave your stuff with a trusted friend.
Trading? Never take your eyes off your binder, ESPECIALLY when someone is flipping through it. Don't let them take cards out for any reason. Write down what they want, and what you want (or simply remember the lists) so your valuable cards aren't pulled and palmed, or "accidentally" dropped, etc.
The ignorance doesn't lie with those of us saying to protect your stuff, it's with those who expect every single person in a group of thousands to be friendly and honest. I'd love for that to be true, but it's not. Until it is, stay vigilant.
(As a side note, I've worked concert and event hall security at venues ranging from 1000-100,000 person capacity. It never mattered how many of us there were, if something is going to happen, then it's going to happen. All we can do is respond, not prevent it from occurring in the first place.)
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I agree there of course has to be some personal responsibility but we should not have to live in constant fear while at a WOTC event. While no matter what they do there will always be issues there are also a lot of solutions that they could easily implement that would be a huge deterrent to anyone thinking of stealing a bag there. I honestly still think my camera idea is a solid idea where everyone must look into a camera on the way in and out without a hat/hoodie/etc on. Thieves do not want to have their face on camera and it would make tracking them down much easier than just having a guy with a black hoodie on camera from the ceiling view.
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What buildings or when are you required to look into a camera on the way in or out of a building?
In Canada there isn't any such requirement. Also how do they enforce this? Is there someone that will stop you from entering the building until you comply looking at the camera? What is the cost of all this? And finally how does this help? Usually when something is stolen, i imagine rarely do people notice right away, so they are unable to identify the thrifty.
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Not only do you get the thieves the convictions they desperately need, and maybe recover some stolen property, you also ensure that everyone knows that there is an actual possibility that thieves will be caught.
Honestly roping off the play area is not a bad idea at all when the event is open to the public. This would also depend on the layout of the event if this would work or not. You would want to make sure people were monitoring people going under the ropes and make sure no tables were close to the ropes.
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What do you do when they walk in with a spare change of clothes in their bag? Are you going to require the contents of someone's bag to be photographed and cataloged? If they wear their change of clothes under what they walk in with are you going to make them strip down in order to record everything they're wearing?
If we require people to hold up their IDs (what do you do about minors, btw...you can't legally obligate them to do this) then the honest people will comply. Those entering already planning on stealing (and learning this beforehand, since I'm sure such a policy would be publicized) will just hold up a fake ID with a big smile on their face. This didn't stop them from stealing in the first place, you still don't know who they are, and if they change their appearance once they're inside the venue odds are you'll never correctly associate the face with the thief.
I know your suggestions are made with the best interest of the community in mind, but based on my first-hand experience with exactly this issue I assure you they'll be wholly ineffective.
EDIT: roping off the play area and only allowing competitors to be inside the ropes would be a GREAT measure, however. Limiting access is about the best thing you can do. There's not much you can do to protect the trade area though
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The point of this is lets say someone remembers seeing a shady guy walking around looking at binders and then as soon as something is noticed as stolen they see him exiting the building or he left a few minutes after the theft. They now have him leaving the building on camera and can go back through the tapes when he entered to find his face on camera when he entered. Once they have his face police can match it to arrest records or use it to find the thieves. Having a guilty face in a video is 100x better than having nothing. The local news can run his face and typically someone will recognize him if he is a local.
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Some other suggestion:
Have designated, roped off areas for trading/cubing/casual games. Charge a fee of $5/day for a badge. Have a judge/assistant ensuring everyone in the area has a badge. In that area have off-duty cops.
If you want to seriously deter theft then announce that you've hired off-duty cops to assist with security, and that there are additional security measures being taken.
You can also do what is/was done by a Pastimes for GPs, and that is hire off duty cops who are familiar with magic to assist.
Seriously though, try to arrange high level trades away from the tournament site and don't bring your personal treasures into a place with a lot of strangers. I see I'll have to bring one of those extendable clubs if I ever go to anything higher than an FNM. >.<
On sat i left my backpack for 5minutes. I was lucky to not have anything stolen.
I hope you can replace your cube. Maybe you should make a donation box for your cube. Im sure lots of people would donate.
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they were announcing like every rouond about thieves being about and snatching bags, kids walking in from the street who dont play magic just looking shady taking bags just to take them..
all in all ive been to baltimore like 3 times now and might not go back, its just a hassle...
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Yeah Dan, Baltimore was trash, with my playset of Elesh Norn stolen basically right in front of me in the hotel lobby and all. I actually entertained the idea of going back to Baltimore for the SCG Invitational there since I'm Q'd for it but after being in Baltimore once I never want to go back.
Wait, so you think its a good idea to pick someone who left at the time of the theft, and publicly shame them with no proof?
I think you should stop using GenCon as an example, since WotC is only one of MANY companies represented there. If your contention is that WotC ought to take some role in securing events, then GenCon is a poor example.
My suggestion is for Wizards to take a more active role in education about the potential and solutions for theft. If wizards did more than just have blurb about security on the event notice, or at the event center, then we could have a dramatic drop in theft. The best deterrents that I have find are thethers and locks. I use an ankle tether designed for snowboards (like this):
it is looped through my bag, and I have a luggage lock on my bag. Both can be foiled, sure, but the time and effort involved is just not worth it- especially if the contents are unknown. You could even get a inexpensive cable loop like this:
You can find them anywhere, and they are even more secure.
What Wizards should do is design and create products like this that are MTG themed- with images and such so that it actually looks like a cool piece of gaming gear. If they were to actively market such a security kit then it would also increase awareness of the potential for theft. By focusing on solutions instead of warnings you do not create the same atmosphere of fear. Everyone knows that even if you ride a $149 Target POS bike you still lock it up when you leave it outside, so why not create the same kind of awareness.
Another idea I thought of while writing this, is for Wizards to have someone at large tournaments who's job is to walk around and look for people who are doing a good job of keeping their valuables secure. They then would reward the person, perhaps in a very noticable way, with special product. If a kid knows that there is a person walking around a GP waiting to give away a full art foil Dark Confidant to three people he sees who are keeping their stuff secure, then you can be darn sure that kid and his friends are going to take property security much more seriously.
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Do you know how much they make??? If the average GP takes in 1500 people thats 60,000 dollars in entry fees. Prizes maybe 15,000 at most not including side events. Leaving them with 45,000 they can spend 15000 on security measures and still take home a pretty penny.
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Add in the cost of site rental. Add in the cost of materials for sealed events. Add in judge costs and what not. It really isn't as much as you think.
Minus:
Hall rental
Promotional material, both pre-event online and at the event.
Insurance for the event.
I don't think they are making as much as you think they do.
okay it is free to almost free for them since all it is cardboard. Judge costs same thing since all they get is Judge promos. At most its around 2000 bucks for product and judge costs. Site rental at most of 5000 bucks. leaving them with a profit of around 10000-15000 dollars.
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Please don't speak on subjects you clearly know nothing about. Thanks.
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