Yeah... I want to watch that one with sound now too. How did no one notice? He just picks it up into his hand. The two people directly behind him watching don't notice he magically got another card, and it's another Kira? Nor do the commentators? I'd like to hear an explanation of that one...
Yeah... I want to watch that one with sound now too. How did no one notice? He just picks it up into his hand. The two people directly behind him watching don't notice he magically got another card, and it's another Kira? Nor do the commentators? I'd like to hear an explanation of that one...
It's at such an opportune time, because he could just feign, "It was bounced with Jace". I can't believe for a second he didn't know what was happening. Same as I can't believe Gerry Thompson wasn't aware he tapped the same Shimmering Grotto twice in one turn.
It isn't hard to think his alibi would be that he thought the Jace -2 bounced the Kira to his hand. Intent is a hard thing to prove. I do feel that this along with all of the other evidence posted throughout the day is damning.
Probably the most egregious "cheat" is being preboarded against reanimator in the SCG writeup.
Was the Kira already in the graveyard killed the same way via Jace bounce + Scroll? If so, then yeah, he definitely knows what he's doing and it's a pretty blatant cheat. If not, perhaps he could mask it as "I brainfarted and thought Kira was bounced by Jace," since he was clearly taking Kira back to his hand before the opponent went through the motion of tapping Scroll and revealing the Jace in his hand. Regardless, she shouldn't have gone back to his hand given the fact that Kira's ability countered Jace's bounce. Someone should have noticed that a) Kira shouldn't be in his hand at all, and b) Kira should be dead.
Was the Kira already in the graveyard killed the same way via Jace bounce + Scroll? If so, then yeah, he definitely knows what he's doing and it's a pretty blatant cheat. If not, perhaps he could mask it as "I brainfarted and thought Kira was bounced by Jace," since he was clearly taking Kira back to his hand before the opponent went through the motion of tapping Scroll and revealing the Jace in his hand. Regardless, she shouldn't have gone back to his hand given the fact that Kira's ability countered Jace's bounce. Someone should have noticed that a) Kira shouldn't be in his hand at all, and b) Kira should be dead.
The other Kira in the yard was killed the exact same way the turn before.
I mean, yeah, maybe he is just terrible at magic. Yet he just won 10k and a set of P9... Even if you accept that he is just incredibly sloppy (in his favor), then he is still a cheater imo, because he doesn't appear to point out his errors afterward. He plays sower and doesn't realize until after the match (not even while sideboarding..) that something was wrong there? An observer points out the cheated land drops via explore and he doesn't go...oh yeah, judge? Kira dies to jace scroll, then gets bounced by jace, then dies to jace scroll... Oh, messed that up. Judge?
I mean, I can even see the argument that the kira one is just a misplay, simply because... what does replaying another kira even do? If that's his best out he seems pretty screwed to me. But the fact that he just goes with the flow whenever he screws up in his favor and then goes on to win cash prizes...meh.
I mean, I can even see the argument that the kira one is just a misplay, simply because... what does replaying another kira even do? If that's his best out he seems pretty screwed to me. But the fact that he just goes with the flow whenever he screws up in his favor and then goes on to win cash prizes...meh.
Well he was already in the process of returning it to his hand before the other Jace was revealed. So he didn't know that he'd be equally as screwed weather he cheated or not. Had it not been another Jace it would have won him the game.
Looking at the evidence, it's pretty damning. I'm a Marine, I've watched grainy videos for hours on end via security feed, and I've dealt with tapes that have been written over so often it's down to the "plastic".
I'm looking at the video of what I will refer to as "lawlbrainstormforfivebiatch", and I'm telling you...that's no shadow. If a card/sleeve is that crinkled that it produces it's own shadow, a judge should have called him on that. That is a marked card.
I can't comment on the rest of it, but yeah...SCG just kicked themselves in the teeth. Remember the bans for last season's Standard? "We want to make this format fun and engaging, and these cards ruin the fun." You know what ruins it even more? Cheaters being allowed to prosper. Why should anyone play in SCG Open and the like (or any DCI-certified tournament) if people are allowed to get away with blatant violations?
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Even more than that, everyone still seems to never notice when he does the first brainstorm he draws them one at a time clearly showing 3 cards. The brainstorm in question he just grabs a grip of cards. How many players do you know that change their play style mid game?
He apparently does that a lot (like graveyard kira stacking).
I really want to see the conclusive HD proof SCG has to support their finding of 3 vs. 4 card brainstorm - but it seems they have no intention of sharing that.
Alex only drew 3 cards off of the brainstorm. The pictures that are floating around look pretty convincing, but here are several consecutive stills leading up to that picture. It is absolutely clear that the "fourth card" is just a wrinkle in the sleeve.
How many chronic cheaters do you think are out there that HAVEN'T been caught? I have been cheated more than a few times. Sometimes I didn't realize it until after the match was over, and sometimes I caught him red-handed, but he only got a warning because he feigned a play error.
I would not be surprised if many top players cheat often, but are much better at avoiding detection.
That response from SCG is an outrage. What do you expect but a lie from a company that condones cheating. I, for one, refuse to purchase my singles from SCG from now until they right this situation.
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That response from SCG is an outrage. What do you expect but a lie from a company that condones cheating. I, for one, refuse to purchase my singles from SCG from now until they right this situation.
Considering the pics were posted not 2 posts above yours and show the wrinkle in the sleeve, it's pretty accurate?
I just tested doing exactly the same thing with 3 cards in sleeves. The sleeves on the bottom card ripple and the others don't.
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Thats really sad. I hope that the DCI sees this information and proof of his cheating, and he gets banned for life from magic. Rampant and Blatant cheating like that is simply not acceptable and I hope for their sake, that SCG plans to do something about this, and I hope they will strip him of the title and his awarded prizes. Personally if they dont come down hard for something this blatant then they are going to lose an aweful lot of credibility for their Open Series. I trust that SCG will do the right thing though, so I suppose we will have to wait and see.
Alex only drew 3 cards off of the brainstorm. The pictures that are floating around look pretty convincing, but here are several consecutive stills leading up to that picture. It is absolutely clear that the "fourth card" is just a wrinkle in the sleeve.
I do not know for sure if he was cheating in any other instance, but this one is clearly debunked.
A video is a lot more convincing than a few still images. This video shows that Bertoncini clearly had four cards in his grip when he Brainstormed.
Besides, someone had already said that Bertoncini usually Brainstorms by drawing the cards one at a time, rather than picking up a handful of cards all at once. Funny he would do that in that one instance.
A video is a lot more convincing than a few still images. This video shows that Bertoncini clearly had four cards in his grip when he Brainstormed.
Honestly that video actually supports the 3 card opinion. The 4th "card" magically appears when he bends them to lift off the table. The other videos are damning. As they at least show a play mistake.
Yeah that picture gave the sense that the first two cards was just one being wrinkled to look like two, but the video shows that it is just 1 frame really that gives that illusion. Furthermore, sleeves are pretty tight fits, how could you expect one to make such a severe bump to cause such a shadow? You'd have to be pressing down very hard and pushing on the sleeve.
Turrens you completely ignored that the 4th card was visible before he bends and lifts them off the table. Hmm actually not sure on that, but you have the sharp corner evidence which is unrelated to the crease.
Is it just me, or are the first black lines from the left way off parallel with what would be the left edge of the card, if that set of lines is supposed to mark a card edge?
Honestly that video actually supports the 3 card opinion. The 4th "card" magically appears when he bends them to lift off the table. The other videos are damning. As they at least show a play mistake.
Exactly, it magically appears because it is there. It is possible to hide cards under other cards when drawing this way, and it seems exactly what was done here.
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http://youtu.be/qOPhociPxmk
Sorry about no sound, was in a hurry and it isn't relevant to the move.
I didn't watch this one yet. All I can say is wow, how blatant. If there is one thing yo can say about the guy, he has a pair of brass ones.
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It's at such an opportune time, because he could just feign, "It was bounced with Jace". I can't believe for a second he didn't know what was happening. Same as I can't believe Gerry Thompson wasn't aware he tapped the same Shimmering Grotto twice in one turn.
Probably the most egregious "cheat" is being preboarded against reanimator in the SCG writeup.
The other Kira in the yard was killed the exact same way the turn before.
I mean, I can even see the argument that the kira one is just a misplay, simply because... what does replaying another kira even do? If that's his best out he seems pretty screwed to me. But the fact that he just goes with the flow whenever he screws up in his favor and then goes on to win cash prizes...meh.
Exactly, he intentionally forgot about Kira's ability when it suited him.
Well he was already in the process of returning it to his hand before the other Jace was revealed. So he didn't know that he'd be equally as screwed weather he cheated or not. Had it not been another Jace it would have won him the game.
Looking at the evidence, it's pretty damning. I'm a Marine, I've watched grainy videos for hours on end via security feed, and I've dealt with tapes that have been written over so often it's down to the "plastic".
I'm looking at the video of what I will refer to as "lawlbrainstormforfivebiatch", and I'm telling you...that's no shadow. If a card/sleeve is that crinkled that it produces it's own shadow, a judge should have called him on that. That is a marked card.
I can't comment on the rest of it, but yeah...SCG just kicked themselves in the teeth. Remember the bans for last season's Standard? "We want to make this format fun and engaging, and these cards ruin the fun." You know what ruins it even more? Cheaters being allowed to prosper. Why should anyone play in SCG Open and the like (or any DCI-certified tournament) if people are allowed to get away with blatant violations?
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He apparently does that a lot (like graveyard kira stacking).
I really want to see the conclusive HD proof SCG has to support their finding of 3 vs. 4 card brainstorm - but it seems they have no intention of sharing that.
http://i.imgur.com/28E7j.jpg
I do not know for sure if he was cheating in any other instance, but this one is clearly debunked.
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Considering the pics were posted not 2 posts above yours and show the wrinkle in the sleeve, it's pretty accurate?
I just tested doing exactly the same thing with 3 cards in sleeves. The sleeves on the bottom card ripple and the others don't.
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A video is a lot more convincing than a few still images. This video shows that Bertoncini clearly had four cards in his grip when he Brainstormed.
Besides, someone had already said that Bertoncini usually Brainstorms by drawing the cards one at a time, rather than picking up a handful of cards all at once. Funny he would do that in that one instance.
Honestly that video actually supports the 3 card opinion. The 4th "card" magically appears when he bends them to lift off the table. The other videos are damning. As they at least show a play mistake.
Turrens you completely ignored that the 4th card was visible before he bends and lifts them off the table. Hmm actually not sure on that, but you have the sharp corner evidence which is unrelated to the crease.
Is it just me, or are the first black lines from the left way off parallel with what would be the left edge of the card, if that set of lines is supposed to mark a card edge?
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Exactly, it magically appears because it is there. It is possible to hide cards under other cards when drawing this way, and it seems exactly what was done here.
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