I apologize if there's already a thread like this.
This thread is basically to establish a code of ethics amongst players who play Magic. if you play this game competitively or casually and go to local events then you have to interact with other people. We've all encountered that guy who doesn't bathe, or doesn't ask to touch your cards, or coughs into his hand before touching your cards or shaking your hand post-game. I have a million ideas myself, but I'll start with what I really think should be first and foremost;
1. Don't be a jerk if you lose. Period. Go play a children's card game if you're going to act like a tool.
2. Please talk to me while we're playing. Don't just stare at me with your strongest poker face and take the game more serious than you take your life. We're here to have fun and make friends beyond competing.
3. Wash your body, hair, clothes and brush your teeth. Please. For the love of God please.
4. Keep your open cans of soda or whatever away from the expensive pieces of card board. Stuff inevitably will get knocked over and you will inevitably piss someone off when you dump your kool-aid on their Tamogoyf.
5. Be easy when shuffling my deck.
6. Please return my dice if you ask to borrow it.
That's all I have off the top of my head. I know other people will have others.
Mhjames: mtgsalvation: I DON'T SEE HOW THIS CARD IS GOOD. I KNOW PATRICK CHAPIN USED IT AND WENT 8-0, BUT THAT WAS A SMALL TOURNAMENT. THE CARD IS TOO SLOW. YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THE OPPONENT HAS A SPELL IN THE GRAVEYARD
My LGS doesn't allow drinks on the table. I've found this does help with spilling onto the cards, but it certainly doesn't help with spilling in general (since frequently "don't put your drink on the table" becomes "put your drink on the floor"... where everyone's feet are). They also don't allow food on the tables if there's a game going on there, which is totally reasonable (until the owner's puppy decides to be your bestest friend because you have food on the floor...)
2. Please talk to me while we're playing. Don't just stare at me with your strongest poker face and take the game more serious than you take your life. We're here to have fun and make friends beyond competing.
I don't talk to people. I'm shy. Sorry. I don't stare... At people, but instead at my cards. In fact... *hides* Stop paying attention to me!
4. Keep your open cans of soda or whatever away from the expensive pieces of card board. Stuff inevitably will get knocked over and you will inevitably piss someone off when you dump your kool-aid on their Tamogoyf.
I'm actually paranoid about that... And a lot more... So, I keep my soda away from everything and watch it like a hawk.
How about watching your mouth. In a public store, there is no need to use swear words in every other sentence. It isn't cool and it makes you look like an idiot. Your kitchen is fine, but not in public.
This is the reason I HATE cutting decks. I don't want people touching my cards! I shuffle compulsively! I don't need someone else doing it for me!
I would never accept not being allowed to shuffle your deck, i would be to paranoid and certain you where cheating - by riffling it once or twice myself i can put that thought out of my head and start blaming good / bad luck instead of wondering if you are a dirty cheat...
Sure i will be gentle and not violently U-shape your deck - but im gonna shuffle, and im gonna both 'Riffle' and 'Mash'... that has nothing to do with bad ethics
The only issue I have ever had is with people playing too fast and not giving me a chance to respond to cards being played. I realize that I do not play as quickly as most since I am new to the game, but just throwing down a card, then another to interract with it before I can do anything really bothers me.
1. Don't be a jerk if you lose. Period. Go play a children's card game if you're going to act like a tool.
2. Please talk to me while we're playing. Don't just stare at me with your strongest poker face and take the game more serious than you take your life. We're here to have fun and make friends beyond competing.
I don't Agree 100% but i see your point, if i go to ptq/gp or any large events etc i don't go there to socialize but to win. With people i don't know, and i'll nevver see again after that vent, i don't bother to chit chat but onlly talk about what happens in the game.
3. Wash your body, hair, clothes and brush your teeth. Please. For the love of God please.
100% Agree no discussion here
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Keep your open cans of soda or whatever away from the expensive pieces of card board. Stuff inevitably will get knocked over and you will inevitably piss someone off when you dump your kool-aid on their Tamogoyf.
100% Agree, keep drinks off the table, if in a local lgs keep the bottle closed.
And as anyone know the famous magic rule: [..] if you have a soda on the table, the drink will be spilled on your OPPONENT most VALUABLE card.
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Be easy when shuffling my deck.
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100% Agree
6. Please return my dice if you ask to borrow it.
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This is the reason I HATE cutting decks. I don't want people touching my cards! I shuffle compulsively! I don't need someone else doing it for me!
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I'm sorry but shuffling the opponent deck isn't optional , it's a must .
Sam: a demon summoning spell ? why?
Lucifer: to summon a demon (auto censorship here)
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I think communication about what you are doing should be a must for the game. One of the things I hate is when people try to push stuff through by playing as fast as possible.
It doesn't make me play worse - it just makes me back you up thirty times in a game and pisses me off. There is a huge difference between that and putting me on tilt or making me make errors.
You don't have to make small talk or chit chat...but do play the game civilly and make sure that we're on the same page rules wise and with game state. Resolves? Any responses? Pass priority? Anything second main? Not that you have to declare every single little thing you are doing...but if it's important - like triggers or options...DO verify that I'm good before you continue. Those sort of good sportsmanship and play gestures.
I don't mind if you are shuffling my deck...but do give it the same respect you would give your own cards (though this doesn't always work...people sometimes don't care about their own cards - let alone other people's).
When you are in a game and your friends finished playing and come to check up on you. Don't be that guy who just talks to his friends and now divides his attention more to his friends than the game. I don't care how your buddy lost. I want to play a game of magic that is fast paced and not slow because you are too busy with your friends.
I 100% agree. I hate when people focus more on outside things than the game itself.
I also strongly agree with the whole "pass priority" thing. Magic isnt a game of speed and who plays or taps things faster.
I don't agree with number two. If I'm playing a casual game with my friends then yeah, but if there's something on the line, at best I'm concentrating on my hand because there's an instant I want to play soon, and at worst I'm concentrating on my hand because I want my opponent to think I have an instant I want to play soon. Having a conversation often says "Do whatever you want, I've got nothing."
I usually don't shuffle my opponent's deck. Either I spend 20 minutes shuffling it, randomizing it, or I cut it once and (if they cheated) their early cards are at the bottom.
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From the opposite end of "Slow Down"... how about "Keep the pace of the game up", especially when you have an almost inevitable winning position out there. No, I don't want to see you top deck your one out when we're both in top deck mode, and then spend several minutes deciding what to do when the play is obvious. I've got one blocker, I'm tapped out, and you've got lethal on board? Don't spend several minutes debating what to do, just freaking do it. Getting slow-rolled pisses me off to no extent; and it's times like those I wish Magic had chess clocks just like MTGO does. When I go to time in a match, I would hope that I've held priority about half the time; when the ratio is somewhere around 35/15, with you holding priority twice as long as me... it's annoying.
The only issue I have ever had is with people playing too fast and not giving me a chance to respond to cards being played. I realize that I do not play as quickly as most since I am new to the game, but just throwing down a card, then another to interract with it before I can do anything really bothers me.
Actually, they're allowed to do that, assuming they're responding to their own spell/ability before it resolves. The player who cast a spell/ability may retain priority after it's added to the stack. The tournament rules assume they pass that priority unless they say otherwise, but they can respond to themselves without giving you a chance.
Of course, you can target their first spell with a counter, for example, even after they've played the second spell.
And you may be talking about something different entirely (tbh, I suspect you are); where they just play spell after spell assuming you're letting them resolve. If your opponent does that, you're free to stop them and say you want to back up to the point you intend to respond.
1. Don't be a jerk if you lose. Period. Go play a children's card game if you're going to act like a tool.
I agree with this. Maybe stores should have a "sore losers" table where they can just all play against each other and let the rest of us have our fun.
2. Please talk to me while we're playing. Don't just stare at me with your strongest poker face and take the game more serious than you take your life. We're here to have fun and make friends beyond competing.
I like to chat during games, but I also understand that sometimes it's hard to concentrate on what you're doing. The whole poker face thing is annoying though, so, yeah. Relax. It's just a game.
3. Wash your body, hair, clothes and brush your teeth. Please. For the love of God please.
I'm tempted to carry a bottle of spray-on deodorant in my purse when I go play.
4. Keep your open cans of soda or whatever away from the expensive pieces of card board. Stuff inevitably will get knocked over and you will inevitably piss someone off when you dump your kool-aid on their Tamogoyf.
How about: No open beverages on the table. I would never have a can of soda on the table. Always a bottle with the lid screwed on.
5. Be easy when shuffling my deck.
How about: Treat other people's property with respect. If it isn't yours, handle it carefully, given that one of the requirements is that you cut your opponent's deck.
6. Please return my dice if you ask to borrow it.
If you ask to borrow something (not just dice), do so politely, and return it as promptly as possible when you are finished using it.
One thing that I'd add would be about trading. If I'm in the midst of trading with someone and my book is set aside for whatever reason, don't ask if you can look through my book right now. The answer will invariably be "no". Tell me that you're interested in trading and then wait patiently until I finish the current deal. I can only trade with one person at a time.
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1. Don't be a jerk if you lose. Period. Go play a children's card game if you're going to act like a tool.
3. Wash your body, hair, clothes and brush your teeth. Please. For the love of God please.
5. Be easy when shuffling my deck.
6. Please return my dice if you ask to borrow it.
These, and 3. x1,000,000. It's not hard to keep yourself from smelling like an animal, put in a little effort. I don't want BO assaulting my senses for the duration of our match.
The only thing I can think to add applies mostly to EDH:
Don't blow someones nice card up because you're being "responsible" then get up in arms and ignore everyone else in a blind rage to kill them because they killed something of yours.
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For those of you who don't agree with not talking to your opponent I don't understand how you can't. I didn't mean it as we have to sit down and have a conversation about what team just won the super bowl. If you don't wanna' talk to me like a bro, fine, that's cool. If you don't like me, fine, that's even cooler. But when I say `response?` when you have a 4 card hand and six untapped islands don't just look at me like I molested you as a child. At least shake your head. I run into these people all the time, and I understand shyness because I'm more shy than most, but we need to talk to each other during a game.
Thought of this one today;
If I'm trading with you please don't let your buddies pile around you and commentate on the trades that are going on. I know the value of everything in my binder, and hey, probably yours too so we really don't need your slack jawed friends hanging around you saying if it's a good trade or not. Go away and leave us in peace. I understand if you spot someone about to trade a Moat for a shock-land (saw this almost happen once, guy didn't know how expensive Moat was) that you might want to say something to the guy with the moat in the interest of morality, but if the trade looks fair-ish don't say anything. This happens to me all the time at multiple LGS. I'll be about to finalize a trade and someone's friend walks by and says something about it and then the guy wants to go into my binder and find $3-4 in throw ins because his friend looked up the card price on SCG (Which we all know can be overpriced). That crap makes me rage.
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Mhjames: mtgsalvation: I DON'T SEE HOW THIS CARD IS GOOD. I KNOW PATRICK CHAPIN USED IT AND WENT 8-0, BUT THAT WAS A SMALL TOURNAMENT. THE CARD IS TOO SLOW. YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THE OPPONENT HAS A SPELL IN THE GRAVEYARD
How about watching your mouth. In a public store, there is no need to use swear words in every other sentence. It isn't cool and it makes you look like an idiot. Your kitchen is fine, but not in public.
What is swearing to you? my grandmother would think heck and dang-it qualify i take a more Carlin esq view in that any word can be a swear if you intend it to be. Or how about if i take a page from firefly and do so in Mandarin?
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What is swearing to you? my grandmother would think heck and dang-it qualify i take a more Carlin esq view in that any word can be a swear if you intend it to be. Or how about if i take a page from firefly and do so in Mandarin?
Because the F word coming out of someone's mouth every other word is trashy and makes them look uneducated.
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Mhjames: mtgsalvation: I DON'T SEE HOW THIS CARD IS GOOD. I KNOW PATRICK CHAPIN USED IT AND WENT 8-0, BUT THAT WAS A SMALL TOURNAMENT. THE CARD IS TOO SLOW. YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THE OPPONENT HAS A SPELL IN THE GRAVEYARD
Because the F word coming out of someone's mouth every other word is trashy and makes them look uneducated.
Not to derail things further but have a look at Stephen Fry discussing swear words with Craig Ferguson or on the joys of swearing then come back to me.
On topic: 100% agree with pay attention to the game at hand not your pals crowding around.
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I don't know who Stephen Fry is and Craig Ferguson wasn't even funny on Drew Carry, so no.
Swearing all the time makes you look inbred or like you live on Welfare. End of story.
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Mhjames: mtgsalvation: I DON'T SEE HOW THIS CARD IS GOOD. I KNOW PATRICK CHAPIN USED IT AND WENT 8-0, BUT THAT WAS A SMALL TOURNAMENT. THE CARD IS TOO SLOW. YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THE OPPONENT HAS A SPELL IN THE GRAVEYARD
I think a "greet" should be on here. "Hi, I'm ...., nice to meet you" *hand shake*. I think this or some form of greet, everyone should do, it goes a long way and making the games go smooth.
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Players: 99
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I would never accept not being allowed to shuffle your deck, i would be to paranoid and certain you where cheating - by riffling it once or twice myself i can put that thought out of my head and start blaming good / bad luck instead of wondering if you are a dirty cheat...
Sure i will be gentle and not violently U-shape your deck - but im gonna shuffle, and im gonna both 'Riffle' and 'Mash'... that has nothing to do with bad ethics
I understand WHY people do it, I just hate it. I don't cut people's decks unless they cut mine and I never shuffle them.
Here's two that have been bugging me every time I go to FNM:
1) Don't be upset because I'm playing a powerful deck. I'm not an ******* for playing with expensive cards, and you shouldn't be upset because you don't take the game as seriously as me. I had a guy who I was chatting to, and then once I started countering and killing all his guys, he just went quiet, only talking to try and argue rulings with me.
2) Play at a reasonable pace. Wow, this is more prevalent than it should be. My last round yesterday went to time because my opponent would spend 2 minutes each turn deciding whether he should cast Life's Finale.
1) Don't be upset because I'm playing a powerful deck. I'm not an ******* for playing with expensive cards, and you shouldn't be upset because you don't take the game as seriously as me. I had a guy who I was chatting to, and then once I started countering and killing all his guys, he just went quiet, only talking to try and argue rulings with me.
Some of us are on budgets and can't buy expensive cards. It's not that we're not taking the game seriously. We're just poor.
This thread is basically to establish a code of ethics amongst players who play Magic. if you play this game competitively or casually and go to local events then you have to interact with other people. We've all encountered that guy who doesn't bathe, or doesn't ask to touch your cards, or coughs into his hand before touching your cards or shaking your hand post-game. I have a million ideas myself, but I'll start with what I really think should be first and foremost;
1. Don't be a jerk if you lose. Period. Go play a children's card game if you're going to act like a tool.
2. Please talk to me while we're playing. Don't just stare at me with your strongest poker face and take the game more serious than you take your life. We're here to have fun and make friends beyond competing.
3. Wash your body, hair, clothes and brush your teeth. Please. For the love of God please.
4. Keep your open cans of soda or whatever away from the expensive pieces of card board. Stuff inevitably will get knocked over and you will inevitably piss someone off when you dump your kool-aid on their Tamogoyf.
5. Be easy when shuffling my deck.
6. Please return my dice if you ask to borrow it.
That's all I have off the top of my head. I know other people will have others.
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I don't talk to people. I'm shy. Sorry. I don't stare... At people, but instead at my cards. In fact... *hides* Stop paying attention to me!
I'm actually paranoid about that... And a lot more... So, I keep my soda away from everything and watch it like a hawk.
This is the reason I HATE cutting decks. I don't want people touching my cards! I shuffle compulsively! I don't need someone else doing it for me!
Mm. Exact reason I have my own dice... And I got angry when someone lost one of my dice! Rage! I use those for more than Magic!
Sorry that I can't think of any to add!
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I would never accept not being allowed to shuffle your deck, i would be to paranoid and certain you where cheating - by riffling it once or twice myself i can put that thought out of my head and start blaming good / bad luck instead of wondering if you are a dirty cheat...
Sure i will be gentle and not violently U-shape your deck - but im gonna shuffle, and im gonna both 'Riffle' and 'Mash'... that has nothing to do with bad ethics
I don't Agree 100% but i see your point, if i go to ptq/gp or any large events etc i don't go there to socialize but to win. With people i don't know, and i'll nevver see again after that vent, i don't bother to chit chat but onlly talk about what happens in the game.
100% Agree no discussion here
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100% Agree, keep drinks off the table, if in a local lgs keep the bottle closed.
And as anyone know the famous magic rule: [..] if you have a soda on the table, the drink will be spilled on your OPPONENT most VALUABLE card.
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100% Agree
100 agree%
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I'm sorry but shuffling the opponent deck isn't optional , it's a must .
Sam: a demon summoning spell ? why?
Lucifer: to summon a demon (auto censorship here)
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It doesn't make me play worse - it just makes me back you up thirty times in a game and pisses me off. There is a huge difference between that and putting me on tilt or making me make errors.
You don't have to make small talk or chit chat...but do play the game civilly and make sure that we're on the same page rules wise and with game state. Resolves? Any responses? Pass priority? Anything second main? Not that you have to declare every single little thing you are doing...but if it's important - like triggers or options...DO verify that I'm good before you continue. Those sort of good sportsmanship and play gestures.
I don't mind if you are shuffling my deck...but do give it the same respect you would give your own cards (though this doesn't always work...people sometimes don't care about their own cards - let alone other people's).
I 100% agree. I hate when people focus more on outside things than the game itself.
I also strongly agree with the whole "pass priority" thing. Magic isnt a game of speed and who plays or taps things faster.
I usually don't shuffle my opponent's deck. Either I spend 20 minutes shuffling it, randomizing it, or I cut it once and (if they cheated) their early cards are at the bottom.
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Of course, you can target their first spell with a counter, for example, even after they've played the second spell.
And you may be talking about something different entirely (tbh, I suspect you are); where they just play spell after spell assuming you're letting them resolve. If your opponent does that, you're free to stop them and say you want to back up to the point you intend to respond.
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I agree with this. Maybe stores should have a "sore losers" table where they can just all play against each other and let the rest of us have our fun.
I like to chat during games, but I also understand that sometimes it's hard to concentrate on what you're doing. The whole poker face thing is annoying though, so, yeah. Relax. It's just a game.
I'm tempted to carry a bottle of spray-on deodorant in my purse when I go play.
How about: No open beverages on the table. I would never have a can of soda on the table. Always a bottle with the lid screwed on.
How about: Treat other people's property with respect. If it isn't yours, handle it carefully, given that one of the requirements is that you cut your opponent's deck.
If you ask to borrow something (not just dice), do so politely, and return it as promptly as possible when you are finished using it.
One thing that I'd add would be about trading. If I'm in the midst of trading with someone and my book is set aside for whatever reason, don't ask if you can look through my book right now. The answer will invariably be "no". Tell me that you're interested in trading and then wait patiently until I finish the current deal. I can only trade with one person at a time.
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These, and 3. x1,000,000. It's not hard to keep yourself from smelling like an animal, put in a little effort. I don't want BO assaulting my senses for the duration of our match.
The only thing I can think to add applies mostly to EDH:
Don't blow someones nice card up because you're being "responsible" then get up in arms and ignore everyone else in a blind rage to kill them because they killed something of yours.
EDH
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BChainer, Dementia MasterB
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I agree with all of your criteria, and would like to add "Slow Down (reasonable of course) and give me a chance to think about my plays"
Thought of this one today;
If I'm trading with you please don't let your buddies pile around you and commentate on the trades that are going on. I know the value of everything in my binder, and hey, probably yours too so we really don't need your slack jawed friends hanging around you saying if it's a good trade or not. Go away and leave us in peace. I understand if you spot someone about to trade a Moat for a shock-land (saw this almost happen once, guy didn't know how expensive Moat was) that you might want to say something to the guy with the moat in the interest of morality, but if the trade looks fair-ish don't say anything. This happens to me all the time at multiple LGS. I'll be about to finalize a trade and someone's friend walks by and says something about it and then the guy wants to go into my binder and find $3-4 in throw ins because his friend looked up the card price on SCG (Which we all know can be overpriced). That crap makes me rage.
By: ol MISAKA lo
Cockatrice: Infallible
What is swearing to you? my grandmother would think heck and dang-it qualify i take a more Carlin esq view in that any word can be a swear if you intend it to be. Or how about if i take a page from firefly and do so in Mandarin?
Currently Playing
1994 Magic The Rack
Type 1: B/W Zombies
Modern: Kuldotha Red
Legacy: Pox, Oath
Vintag: 10 Proxy Merfolk
Pauper: Pestilence, UG Threshold
EDH: Karn, Roon, Sliver Queen, Xiahou Dun, Arcanus
Because the F word coming out of someone's mouth every other word is trashy and makes them look uneducated.
By: ol MISAKA lo
Cockatrice: Infallible
Not to derail things further but have a look at Stephen Fry discussing swear words with Craig Ferguson or on the joys of swearing then come back to me.
On topic: 100% agree with pay attention to the game at hand not your pals crowding around.
Currently Playing
1994 Magic The Rack
Type 1: B/W Zombies
Modern: Kuldotha Red
Legacy: Pox, Oath
Vintag: 10 Proxy Merfolk
Pauper: Pestilence, UG Threshold
EDH: Karn, Roon, Sliver Queen, Xiahou Dun, Arcanus
Swearing all the time makes you look inbred or like you live on Welfare. End of story.
By: ol MISAKA lo
Cockatrice: Infallible
Format: Standard - NPH
Location: 2011 MMS Qualifier - Minneapolis, MN (6/4)
Players: 99
Finished: 2nd Place
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I understand WHY people do it, I just hate it. I don't cut people's decks unless they cut mine and I never shuffle them.
You don't HAVE to shuffle your opponent's deck if you don't want to.
1) Don't be upset because I'm playing a powerful deck. I'm not an ******* for playing with expensive cards, and you shouldn't be upset because you don't take the game as seriously as me. I had a guy who I was chatting to, and then once I started countering and killing all his guys, he just went quiet, only talking to try and argue rulings with me.
2) Play at a reasonable pace. Wow, this is more prevalent than it should be. My last round yesterday went to time because my opponent would spend 2 minutes each turn deciding whether he should cast Life's Finale.
Some of us are on budgets and can't buy expensive cards. It's not that we're not taking the game seriously. We're just poor.
Or at least, that's my case.