wotc has made a huge splash around the world of magic players and even earned the scorn of most by "printing money", by way of jace, the mid sculptor, gideon jura, coin purse sculptor, and they have quite frankly gotten a bad rap.
i've raved about the whole mythic rarity for casual magic, since it can bring down the price tag of rares by concentrating set value in a hand full of cards.
but wotc has also done something recently that i sure do love - and that is reprint and "reprint" cards.
obviously, leyline of the void was something people loved to use against dredge decks, but for me the price tag was on the high side. until m11 came about. with the pending surge in supply wotc has given the card a knock down in price tag and made it a lot more affordable for the casual player.
cards like wrath of god (day of judgment), survival of the fittest (fauna shaman) and orim's chant (silence) have been "reprinted" in a "fixed" form, giving us cheaper iterations of powerful cards. of course, those aren't strictly reprints, but they come pretty close. reprints are more of zephyr sprite (flying men) and savannah lions (elite vanguard). should i include fork (reverberate) in that list?
but still, the fix has been great.
so now, i ask you:
1. what cards do you want to see directly reprinted, functionally reprinted, or dumbdown/juiced up reprinted?
2. what card from your list do you think are LIKELY getting the reprint?
does it contain the words wasteland or sinkhole? hehe
As Scars of Mirrodin is just around the corner, I would like to see a less broken form of Skullclamp. Maybe with a cast cost of 1, an equip cost of around 5. Also, a functional reprint of Mangara of Corondor as an artifact creature would be nice to deal with planeswalkers.
I think a fixed Skullclamp is the more likely of the two.
Uba-Clamp 0
Equipment - Artifact MR
Equipped creature gets +0/+50 and has shroud, indestructable, and cannot block, attack or be sacrificed.
When Equipped creature is put into a graveyard from play, draw 4 cards.
Equip 0 "Haha, we buffed it up to nerf it down! Lolz"
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Uba-Clamp 0
Equipment - Artifact MR
Equipped creature gets +0/+50 and has shroud, indestructable, and cannot block, attack or be sacrificed.
When Equipped creature is put into a graveyard from play, draw 4 cards.
Equip 0 "Haha, we buffed it up to nerf it down! Lolz"
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So basically 0 to make target utility creature unkillable?
To please a large crowd: Doubling Season. Though one would wonder what would happen if they tried that while certain Planeswalkers were around for Standard. (especially both Jaces.)
I would love Aether Snap Opponent: turn 4 Jace MTS, whatever. You Aether Snap
I don't think that they will print cards like that with PW anymore.
They did print a small-scale Aether Snap in Vampire Hexmage though. It's a great hoser and a good standalone creature, but it's unfortunately in the absolute worst color in T2.
I would like to see Force of Will and the old duel lands reprinted but not in standard (perhaps as a from the vaults type of deal). At roughly $50 or more a piece I would like to see a reprinting of them if only so new legacy players can get their hands on a few. The duel lands could be a functional reprint in having duel lands that can be found by the Zendikar fetches but could come into play tapped perhaps or some other possible downside.
The other card I really want to see come back would be Daze for standard just because it would catch my opponents from out of nowhere.
I want them to "reprint" a lot of removal to allow it to work on planeswalkers as well. They isn't NEARLY enough removal to deal with them.
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New Doom Blade 2B
Instant
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Imean, there's what a whopping TWO answers to Planeswalkers in standard right now, and we lose one of them in Oct? That's why Jace and Gideon are so expensive. Not because they're good, but because they're good, and almost impossible to get rid of.
Just off the top of my head. I would really like Wizards to make a broken magic set of all the seriously over powered/ broken cards for years past. Just one huge money grab and then move on to new ideas for awhile.
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I want them to "reprint" a lot of removal to allow it to work on planeswalkers as well. They isn't NEARLY enough removal to deal with them.
New Path to Exile 1W
Instant
Exile target creature or planeswalker. It's controller may search thier library for a basic land and put it onto the battlefield tapped.
New Doom Blade 2B
Instant
Destroy target non black creature or planeswalker
Imean, there's what a whopping TWO answers to Planeswalkers in standard right now, and we lose one of them in Oct? That's why Jace and Gideon are so expensive. Not because they're good, but because they're good, and almost impossible to get rid of.
nice idea, but the wording for both would be more like exile/destroy target non-land permanent. for the black one (assuming the wizards will stop nerfing that color) it would probably keep the non-black part so you wouldn't be able to hit sorin or lilliana with it. and i agree, there are just not enough answers to planeswalkers, to be really effective against them, you would need to run several different colors and would most likely fail horribly against anything else.
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I would love Aether Snap Opponent: turn 4 Jace MTS, whatever. You Aether Snap
I don't think that they will print cards like that with PW anymore.
OH MY GOD
That's the answer. That's the answer that Black needs for planeswalkers, not to mention stupid token decks as well. And it would completely work with the theme of New Mirroden, as long as they keep the modular counter theme. I love it. I hope to God they'll reprint it.
Was looking through a box of older cards this morning and saw Aether Flash.
I remember a time mono-red control was a viable archetype. It seems counterintuitive, but in fact red-based worlds are often barren and harsh environments that are inhospitable to creatures.
Part of the flavor of planeswalkers is it's very hard to kill them with removal. It's quite intentional that so few "answers" exist.
Speaking of, I'd like to see another version of Mirror Gallery stating the planeswalker rule does not apply, perhaps justifying the flavor with alternate multiverses rather than mirrors.
Also, a functional reprint of Mangara of Corondor as an artifact creature would be nice to deal with planeswalkers.
Just curious, would you care if it was worded the same way? I mean if they made exiling the new mangara part of the cost?
You mean to keep Mangara's controller from bouncing him back to hand in response to him being exiled or some such trick in order to use him again? Tap and sac him as the cost to exile target permanent. Sounds fine to me.
nice idea, but the wording for both would be more like exile/destroy target non-land permanent. for the black one (assuming the wizards will stop nerfing that color)
They did print a small-scale Aether Snap in Vampire Hexmage though. It's a great hoser and a good standalone creature, but it's unfortunately in the absolute worst color in T2.
I kind of wish people would stop all this complaining about a color getting nerfed. People said the same thing about blue and then Jace 2.0 turned up and almost single handedly pulled blue decks back into the spotlight. They're not nerfing the color it's just a cyclical thing. Oh and Grave Titan would like to have a word with you.
Some answers:
White: Oblivion Ring, World Queller
Blue: Cancel, Negate,, Deprive, Jace Beleren
Black: Vampire Hexmage, Corrupt
Red: Fireball, Earthquake, Lava Axe
Green: Mold Shambler,Terastodon
Colorless: All Is Dust
And we might gain more in October.
Thanks for pointing these out. I'd really like to point out that Negate in there. It's a common that doesn't require much blue to utilize and is an excellent planewalker hoser.
Just off the top of my head. I would really like Wizards to make a broken magic set of all the seriously over powered/ broken cards for years past. Just one huge money grab and then move on to new ideas for awhile.
I kind of thought this was what "From the Vault: Exiled" was. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
Well, this isn't in relation with Jace or the planeswalkers but I, for one, would like to see how Tendrils of Agony would fare in the current environment.
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I'd like to see Molten Rain come back as the standard red LD techie card, and Hymn to Tourach needs a functional reprint. I definitely want to see O-Ring reprinted in SoM and PtE would be nice too. I want counterspell back at uncommon, but it can wait til jace rotates (seriously, Mythic brainstorm on a stick, what idiot thought this was a good idea?). I want my Vernal Bloom back as well, badly.
White: Oblivion Ring, World Queller
Blue: Cancel, Negate,, Deprive, Jace Beleren
Black: Vampire Hexmage, Corrupt
Red: Fireball, Earthquake, Lava Axe
Green: Mold Shambler,Terastodon
Colorless: All Is Dust
We need UTLITY removal for Pw's. Not 6+ mana costs rares and mythics. Also, Direct Damage isn't PW removal, since it effectively turns PW's into lifegain vehicles as well. And countering isn't PW removal.
O-ring is out in Oct
Hexmage was one of the two (Maelstrom Pulse being the other). Everything else you listed is way to expensive to be considered an answer. they'd have JtMS out and been fatesealing and brainstorming for 3+ turns before you can do anything about it is NOT effective PW control.
Part of the flavor of planeswalkers is it's very hard to kill them with removal. It's quite intentional that so few "answers" exist.
then they should cost WAY more mana. Christ, the Titans cost 6 a piece, are mythic, and nowhere NEAR as good as the top PW's. And they die to all of the utility removal out there.
Making planeswalkers not be creatures was the single thing that broke them. It just makes no sense, it;s not flavor, it's just forced difference.
We need UTLITY removal for Pw's. Not 6+ mana costs rares and mythics. Also, Direct Damage isn't PW removal, since it effectively turns PW's into lifegain vehicles as well.And countering isn't PW removal.
O-ring is out in Oct
Hexmage was one of the two (Maelstrom Pulse being the other). Everything else you listed is way to expensive to be considered an answer. they'd have JtMS out and been fatesealing and brainstorming for 3+ turns before you can do anything about it is NOT effective PW control.
1. Direct damage kills the walker, your creatures beat the player. In this case the walker is merely a stop gap not a life gain machine.
2. Countering is in some ways better than normal removal. Problem never gets a chance to start rolling.
3. They know O-ring is leaving. They know Pithing Needle is leaving. They know that Maelstrom Pulse is leaving. They know planeswalkers need to be kept in check. Give Wizards some credit. They know how to do their jobs. Every rotation people start freaking out that the sky is falling and that something is going to take over because its check is rotating out. Just wait to see if you get some walker hating weapons in Scars.
4. As for everything else being too expensive, well when you eliminate countering and burn and what's rotating soon (basically ignore the point) of course all you see are the weaker options on the list. However, I'd like you to tell that to the pros who routinely nuke walkers with some of that stuff (All is Dust is the one that mainly comes to mind).
Lastly, I've used some of the more powerful walkers and been on the receiving end of a few from time to time (granted this is casual play) and definitely didn't even have some of the options listed here. I still got those walkers off the board and won a lot of the time. Yes there were games where the walker got out of control because I didn't answer the threat but that's not much different than an enchantment (something that's not easy to deal with for a lot of colors).
Point is that Planeswalkers don't automatically say, "Drop me and win." You can definitely beat them and consistently with what we've got. You can still lose with your walkers out. Ask all the Elspeth's that get nomed on by Sphinx of Jwar Isle or all the Mind Sculptors that get legend rule killed by their Lorwyn reflection. Would more be nice, yes. Does that mean what we have isn't good enough. No. You've got to learn to work with what you've got.
Edit: I'm recently back to magic after a 6 year hiatus, and am surprised to find that Arcanis was actually printed in 10th. It's one of my favorite cards. Well I'm 1 for 3 anyways.
Ruination or Armageddon there needs to be a disincentive to just play as many lands as possible.
It wouldn't destroy big mana decks since things like Cultivate can help them recover.
However it would make you actually think about how many lands you need instead of just plopping them down.
Even targeted land removal really just encourages you to play more lands.
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They dropped those kinds of cards mainly because players didn't find them very fun. Still I kind of like the Ruination idea. It'd be a nice hosing to those expensive fetch lands.
wotc has made a huge splash around the world of magic players and even earned the scorn of most by "printing money", by way of jace, the mid sculptor, gideon jura, coin purse sculptor, and they have quite frankly gotten a bad rap.
i've raved about the whole mythic rarity for casual magic, since it can bring down the price tag of rares by concentrating set value in a hand full of cards.
but wotc has also done something recently that i sure do love - and that is reprint and "reprint" cards.
obviously, leyline of the void was something people loved to use against dredge decks, but for me the price tag was on the high side. until m11 came about. with the pending surge in supply wotc has given the card a knock down in price tag and made it a lot more affordable for the casual player.
cards like wrath of god (day of judgment), survival of the fittest (fauna shaman) and orim's chant (silence) have been "reprinted" in a "fixed" form, giving us cheaper iterations of powerful cards. of course, those aren't strictly reprints, but they come pretty close. reprints are more of zephyr sprite (flying men) and savannah lions (elite vanguard). should i include fork (reverberate) in that list?
but still, the fix has been great.
so now, i ask you:
1. what cards do you want to see directly reprinted, functionally reprinted, or dumbdown/juiced up reprinted?
2. what card from your list do you think are LIKELY getting the reprint?
does it contain the words wasteland or sinkhole? hehe
I think a fixed Skullclamp is the more likely of the two.
Uba-Clamp 0
Equipment - Artifact MR
Equipped creature gets +0/+50 and has shroud, indestructable, and cannot block, attack or be sacrificed.
When Equipped creature is put into a graveyard from play, draw 4 cards.
Equip 0
"Haha, we buffed it up to nerf it down! Lolz"
-WOTC
So basically 0 to make target utility creature unkillable?
EDIT:
Just curious, would you care if it was worded the same way? I mean if they made exiling the new mangara part of the cost?
I would love Aether Snap Opponent: turn 4 Jace MTS, whatever. You Aether Snap
I don't think that they will print cards like that with PW anymore.
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They did print a small-scale Aether Snap in Vampire Hexmage though. It's a great hoser and a good standalone creature, but it's unfortunately in the absolute worst color in T2.
The other card I really want to see come back would be Daze for standard just because it would catch my opponents from out of nowhere.
New Path to Exile 1W
Instant
Exile target creature or planeswalker. It's controller may search thier library for a basic land and put it onto the battlefield tapped.
New Doom Blade 2B
Instant
Destroy target non black creature or planeswalker
Imean, there's what a whopping TWO answers to Planeswalkers in standard right now, and we lose one of them in Oct? That's why Jace and Gideon are so expensive. Not because they're good, but because they're good, and almost impossible to get rid of.
Just off the top of my head. I would really like Wizards to make a broken magic set of all the seriously over powered/ broken cards for years past. Just one huge money grab and then move on to new ideas for awhile.
Some answers:
White: Oblivion Ring, World Queller
Blue: Cancel, Negate,, Deprive, Jace Beleren
Black: Vampire Hexmage, Corrupt
Red: Fireball, Earthquake, Lava Axe
Green: Mold Shambler,Terastodon
Colorless: All Is Dust
And we might gain more in October.
nice idea, but the wording for both would be more like exile/destroy target non-land permanent. for the black one (assuming the wizards will stop nerfing that color) it would probably keep the non-black part so you wouldn't be able to hit sorin or lilliana with it. and i agree, there are just not enough answers to planeswalkers, to be really effective against them, you would need to run several different colors and would most likely fail horribly against anything else.
OH MY GOD
That's the answer. That's the answer that Black needs for planeswalkers, not to mention stupid token decks as well. And it would completely work with the theme of New Mirroden, as long as they keep the modular counter theme. I love it. I hope to God they'll reprint it.
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I remember a time mono-red control was a viable archetype. It seems counterintuitive, but in fact red-based worlds are often barren and harsh environments that are inhospitable to creatures.
Speaking of, I'd like to see another version of Mirror Gallery stating the planeswalker rule does not apply, perhaps justifying the flavor with alternate multiverses rather than mirrors.
You mean to keep Mangara's controller from bouncing him back to hand in response to him being exiled or some such trick in order to use him again? Tap and sac him as the cost to exile target permanent. Sounds fine to me.
I kind of wish people would stop all this complaining about a color getting nerfed. People said the same thing about blue and then Jace 2.0 turned up and almost single handedly pulled blue decks back into the spotlight. They're not nerfing the color it's just a cyclical thing. Oh and Grave Titan would like to have a word with you.
Thanks for pointing these out. I'd really like to point out that Negate in there. It's a common that doesn't require much blue to utilize and is an excellent planewalker hoser.
I kind of thought this was what "From the Vault: Exiled" was. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
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We need UTLITY removal for Pw's. Not 6+ mana costs rares and mythics. Also, Direct Damage isn't PW removal, since it effectively turns PW's into lifegain vehicles as well. And countering isn't PW removal.
O-ring is out in Oct
Hexmage was one of the two (Maelstrom Pulse being the other). Everything else you listed is way to expensive to be considered an answer. they'd have JtMS out and been fatesealing and brainstorming for 3+ turns before you can do anything about it is NOT effective PW control.
then they should cost WAY more mana. Christ, the Titans cost 6 a piece, are mythic, and nowhere NEAR as good as the top PW's. And they die to all of the utility removal out there.
Making planeswalkers not be creatures was the single thing that broke them. It just makes no sense, it;s not flavor, it's just forced difference.
1. Direct damage kills the walker, your creatures beat the player. In this case the walker is merely a stop gap not a life gain machine.
2. Countering is in some ways better than normal removal. Problem never gets a chance to start rolling.
3. They know O-ring is leaving. They know Pithing Needle is leaving. They know that Maelstrom Pulse is leaving. They know planeswalkers need to be kept in check. Give Wizards some credit. They know how to do their jobs. Every rotation people start freaking out that the sky is falling and that something is going to take over because its check is rotating out. Just wait to see if you get some walker hating weapons in Scars.
4. As for everything else being too expensive, well when you eliminate countering and burn and what's rotating soon (basically ignore the point) of course all you see are the weaker options on the list. However, I'd like you to tell that to the pros who routinely nuke walkers with some of that stuff (All is Dust is the one that mainly comes to mind).
Lastly, I've used some of the more powerful walkers and been on the receiving end of a few from time to time (granted this is casual play) and definitely didn't even have some of the options listed here. I still got those walkers off the board and won a lot of the time. Yes there were games where the walker got out of control because I didn't answer the threat but that's not much different than an enchantment (something that's not easy to deal with for a lot of colors).
Point is that Planeswalkers don't automatically say, "Drop me and win." You can definitely beat them and consistently with what we've got. You can still lose with your walkers out. Ask all the Elspeth's that get nomed on by Sphinx of Jwar Isle or all the Mind Sculptors that get legend rule killed by their Lorwyn reflection. Would more be nice, yes. Does that mean what we have isn't good enough. No. You've got to learn to work with what you've got.
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Edit: I'm recently back to magic after a 6 year hiatus, and am surprised to find that Arcanis was actually printed in 10th. It's one of my favorite cards. Well I'm 1 for 3 anyways.
It wouldn't destroy big mana decks since things like Cultivate can help them recover.
However it would make you actually think about how many lands you need instead of just plopping them down.
Even targeted land removal really just encourages you to play more lands.
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That proves my point pretty well right there When the best optoin for removal is the legend rule, something is broken.