I hate the Magic snobs/elitist at the local shop.

  • #1
    You know, the guys who won't even talk to you unless you've entered a couple of PTQ's and looks down on anyone who doesn't have a $300 deck. The guys who only speak in Magic lingo and expects you to know exactly what they are talking about when they throw around terms like "MOTO" and "LSV" (yeah I know what they mean). These guys make their plays lightening fast without saying anything, then expect you to follow everything they just did.

    anyone else encounter these guys?
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  • #2
    Quote from jdinatale
    You know, the guys who won't even talk to you unless you've entered a couple of PTQ's and looks down on anyone who doesn't have a $300 deck. The guys who only speak in Magic lingo and expects you to know exactly what they are talking about when they throw around terms like "MOTO" and "LSV" (yeah I know what they mean)

    anyone else encounter these guys?


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  • #3
    Quote from jdinatale »
    You know, the guys who won't even talk to you unless you've entered a couple of PTQ's and looks down on anyone who doesn't have a $300 deck. The guys who only speak in Magic lingo and expects you to know exactly what they are talking about when they throw around terms like "MOTO" and "LSV" (yeah I know what they mean)

    anyone else encounter these guys?

    I'm lucky enough to only have one of those kind of guys at my shop and he only shows up once a month, if that. I have no idea what either of those abbreviations mean although said "pric" that comes in monthly actually uses card names so I never have to worry about it. Biggest peeve of mine that he does is he expects you to respond right when he does something (giving you no time to think of what you want to respond with) and if you don't know what the card does, tough.

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  • #4
    Yeah, I've been playing since revised and those guys are always around, you really can't escape it. What's funny is that they're probably not even that good. Having an expensive deck and keeping up with mtg trends doesn't make someone a good player. In fact, the worse the cards are you have to play with the more playskill you must develop to win. The thing is, I'm a competitive eternal player, I have a huge collection and know alot about the game, but it's not a free pass to act like a prick.
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  • #5
    I played at my last FNM and brought a R/W Tokens deck. I OWNED the T8 Regionals player in the finals. He was P'd off that I played his EsperLark Deck and owned it hard.

    I am one of the better players but I usually play for fun. I know all of that "lingo" that you are talking about but I still hang out with the little guys. I actually hung out with them today to try to strengthen their decks so that our local FNM can be a little more competitive. I don't like beating W/B jank in the first round.
  • #6
    Quote from Seth Dracovitch
    Biggest peeve of mine that he does is he expects you to respond right when he does something (giving you no time to think of what you want to respond with) and if you don't know what the card does, tough.



    If he ever pulled that crap on me, I'd stop everything and call a judge. Because we all know precisely what he'll do and are capable of dropping our response immediately after he plays a spell....
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  • #7
    I just avoid those players. I know there's always one around, but I've been lucky enough to stay away from anyone who would ruin the fun experience of the game
    Quote from Seth Dracovitch
    I have no idea what either of those abbreviations mean

    OMG LSV = Luis Scott-Vargas. Considered among the best players to ever play MTG. Although I have no idea what MOTO stands for...:-/
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    What's funny is that they're probably not even that good. Having an expensive deck and keeping up with mtg trends doesn't make someone a good player. In fact, the worse the cards are you have to play with the more playskill you must develop to win. The thing is, I'm a competitive eternal player, I have a huge collection and know alot about the game, but it's not a free pass to act like a prick.

    I agree, I see this quite often. Some players who are actually excellent tend to be quite humble and more than willing to teach you how to get where they are. THOSE are the ones I've thankfully met.:p

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  • #8
    I try to avoid the opposite type of player you describe, but thats just me. I dont think that makes me a bad person though, at least Im not starting threads about it

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  • #9
    Quote from KevGenocide
    I try to avoid the opposite type of player you describe, but thats just me. I dont think that makes me a bad person though, at least Im not starting threads about it

    You try to avoid shameless newbs who want to befriend everybody and don't care if they make you feel completely awkward with their lack of logic and desire to improve their playstyle... and you say you don't know if that makes you a bad person?
    I'd say there's nothing wrong with having dignity and finding a middle ground between those who are complete asses and those who ask all the time "what does this card do"? There's a dude in my store that kinda gives that vibe (the newbish one), but I and most people like him (some out of pity, obviously, but I think he's real nice), and at least he sorta quit Magic after noticing that he only won because he could afford any kind of deck (i.e. he didn't play very well, he just was well equipped... hehe).

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  • #10
    I usually draft so the price of ones deck is always the same when I play, 15.00.
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  • #11
    if you're at a football game and i start using football terms, it's not my fault you're a football noob. understand? i mean they are having a conversation. you can simply reply with a "i don't know who lsv is, i don't know what modo is"

    that's why YOU ask questions. things aren't so intimidating when you ASK QUESTIONS. get educated. you don't have to be a elitest competitive magic jerk with $155555000000 decks to have knowledge about the game.

    complaining about fast play? everyone i know wants to play fast. because you can play more. fast is good.

    however, i have no problem slowing it right down if you're new. explaining what i'm doing, offering up my cards upside down so they can read them easier/faster. essentially saying things like
    "if you wanted to stop me from pumping this creature you could use removal here if you want, in reponse. OR if you're playing counterspells, you would have to counter it now"

    that is no problem. the problem is you seem to think that other players are supposed to instantly recognize that you are mr.noob.

    if you can't be bothered to ask simple questions like "what's lsv, what's modo?" i can't be bothered to help you nor should anyone else. you want me to play your deck for you too?

    i'm drawing these conclusions because you haven't said anything like "i asked what _____ was and i got laughed out the store"
  • #12
    Doesn't really sound like anything the "elite" players did was too off the wall, though I also can't stand elitist players. I don't see why coming with 300$ decks is even relevant, skill/cards shouldn't be what you judge people on. The main thing that irks me is when these sort of players talk down to opponents/ridicule them for playing certain cards in standard or draft.

    I have an extensive collection and play "$300 decks", and play to win, but I always try to be cordial. I'm also more than open to helping new players, but I never offer unless asked, because there's no real way to say "hey random dude, let me help fix your ****** deck" without looking like an ass.

    also MODO = magic online
  • #13
    Just take some solace in the knowledge that 1/2 of them have probably never kissed a girl in their life and the other 1/2 still live in their parents' basement.

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  • #14
    the elitest I play with are always talking about who's mom is nicer so I'm pretty sure I don't care what they think of me
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  • #15
    Quote from jdinatale
    terms like "MOTO" and "LSV"


    Quote from forthepunx77

    also MODO = magic online

    Since one letter makes a lot of difference, I thought "MOTO" was something completely different.:p I know what MODO is, but thanks, anyway.:)
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    And then get on with it.

    HEHE, you got it right. I do the same sometimes.:p The problem is, most elitist asses I've met come to the stores with their hot girlfriends who kiss them just when they're swinging for the win, showing a bit a cleavage to every hate-laden person in the room. So the rule doesn't always apply here.:D

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  • #16
    Just because you opponent plays fast doesn't mean you're compelled to play fast as well.

    I'm pretty sure we had another thread like this about "uberboys". Seems like the same situation to me. Even though they can talk the talk, that doesn't always mean they can walk the walk too.
  • #17
    Sadly, I'm afraid the day has come when those who use magic online are more or less at an advantage against those who don't.

    At the same time, I'd also advise you to start watching and playing more matches overall. This is so you can get used to and start anticipating the most common actions ppl take. MODO is a great way to learn to use or recognize steps, phases, and priority because they are built into the game play, and you have to manually override them to pass or do nothing during a step. It also is how most of the pros and spikes playtest, practice, and qualify. If this is not an option for you, then realize where some of the culture gap is coming from. But you can read the rules, you can hold yourself to a higher standard of play on your own. Jamie Wakefield wrote about this a while ago. He put a jar in the middle of the table, and when he and his friends would playtest together, each time one made an error or a sloppy play, he would put some money in the jar. Not a small amount - enough so that if you didn't tighten up your play quickly, you'd go broke. Think of it that way, and it should become easier to deal with.

    Play whatever deck you have, and play it competently to the best of your ability. That's all that's required. If you're still unhappy then find another play group or start your own.
  • #18
    Meh. My local shop doesn't really cater to MtG players. He's got the standard theme decks, tournament decks, and the 15 card packs. That's about it, unfortunately. There is one guy who works there who plays and was pretty cool when I asked for a control deck, but I don't know what hours he works.
  • #19
    I'm pretty much one of these people, but it's absurd to hate fast play. It's one thing if they're doing stuff and don't give you a chance to respond, or are rushing you a lot for no reason, but if you're playing slow it's perfectly acceptable to try to hurry you up as unintentional draws are the most irritating thing ever. Fast play is fine, as I know I do most of the time. I'm quick in my actions because I know my gameplan and have it all thought out which means I don't have to take these 2 minute mainphases where I'm in the tank for literal stone DI.
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  • #20
    Quote from jdinatale
    You know, the guys who won't even talk to you unless you've entered a couple of PTQ's and looks down on anyone who doesn't have a $300 deck. The guys who only speak in Magic lingo and expects you to know exactly what they are talking about when they throw around terms like "MOTO" and "LSV" (yeah I know what they mean). These guys make their plays lightening fast without saying anything, then expect you to follow everything they just did.

    anyone else encounter these guys?


    not in my town but i usually meet such players at Nationals. It's normal there are 1337 people in every game...

    altough i fear i might become such a player myself, sometimes i do behave arrogant/elitist Frown
  • #21
    Sadly, I'm afraid the day has come when those who use magic online are more or less at an advantage against those who don't.

    Well. It depends on location, but I think people are more obnoxious online, and even if you are playing against a nice guy, it feels pretty lame compared to playing with a nice person irl. Having a good laugh at a table full of good drafters, or having idle conversation between rounds, or trading in person, or holding the cards in your hand, reading your opponent... These are all things you sacrifice online. I honestly think it's a crime to charge the same amount of money for cards online myself, but this is a different topic I guess. Grin

    Otherwise, you will encounter the same sort of snobbery, elitist bs in anything competitive. If you are at a casual tabletop, and someone is STILL acting that way, then why are you hanging out with them to begin with?
  • #23
    ^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^

    I play MtG: Online alot, but I do it to be able to run through about 15 permutations of an archtype in a night and to play games at a much faster pace and against a much more diverse field. I love real life MtG more than I like MtG: Online though because of the person-person interactions. I am sort of an elitist myself though but I try to offer advice to new players and somehow I can come off snobby. Like I told a guy playing Domain aggro that for his deck Terramorphic Expanse was better than Jund Panorama and he looked at me like I was a retard and told me that he didn't like me dissing his deck... meh wtfe I don't care if stupid people can't handle constructive advice, but what I hate is when people make me out to be the jerk.

    Please refrain from using "retard" in this context. The same goes for using "gay" as a synonym for "bad" or "stupid," etc. There are other ways to make your point without insulting a group of people.
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  • #24
    Quote from XxTaLoNxX
    Like I told a guy playing Domain aggro that for his deck Terramorphic Expanse was better than Jund Panorama and he looked at me like I was a retard and told me that he didn't like me dissing his deck... meh wtfe I don't care if stupid people can't handle constructive advice, but what I hate is when people make me out to be the jerk.


    Err... being right does not necessarily makes advice constructive. It's usually not hard to tell when someone thinks you're an idiot when they're giving advice. And then people tend to take offense. Did you?
  • #25
    [quote=XxTaLoNxX;/comments/6734601]^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^

    \ Like I told a guy playing Domain aggro that for his deck Terramorphic Expanse was better than Jund Panorama and he looked at me like I was a ***** and told me that he didn't like me dissing his deck... meh wtfe I don't care if people can't handle constructive advice, but what I hate is when people make me out to be the jerk.


    Honestly if they dont want your advice what can you do, I kinda dont mind when this happens. I just gives me more wins come FNM, come on, who doesnt like easy wins in a tournie.

    It seems like there are types of players. People who want to get better enjoy winning and play by the rules. the so called eletists. The you have to other group. They play by their own rules, dont seem to want to get better, and frown apon help by better players

    At least thats the feeling im getting from reading this thread.:rolleyes::-/:mad::D
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  • #26
    I think alot of you are missing the point, this isn't about good or bad players (elitist or otherwise), it's about anti-social jerks that hide behind "good play", the rules, short hand terms, etc. to cover the fact that their less-than nice people and don't mind being that way around others. Their the type of person that knows how to play societies rules just long enough not to get caught (in a social "fopa"), magic just adds another layer for this type of person to "get" behind.
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