What I've been seeing out of Cantripmancer are cards so challenge-specific they don't make flavor sense for Izzet or Ravnica, and that's been true for pretty much all the challenges - some of which could not have been trap quest entries. It looks like a neon breadcrumb trail of town tells. So I'm convinced Cantrip is Guildpact, and so is Cardz5000, making our conjectural scumteam...
I... am very surprised and confused right now. I'd agree with void that Cantripmancer is good, and I don't understand why two blue players suddenly decided to go against him. I'd say I believe Cantripmancer is one of the most Guildpact out of non-Golgari players here, on par with Cardz. This... just doesn't make sense to me, even if they'd be both Bolas (as Cardz could have piled on me with ease, or they could have easily just start by blaming void with me). Argh... This game just went even more confusing and I feel even more anxious.
Anyone who's claiming to suspect me needs to explain how I accomplished all of this with my round 2 submission when another quest (the one with Krenko) was the trap.
Cantripmancer Sphinx Bomb3UR
Instant (R)
Return up to five target creatures to their owners' hands.
Untap each red creature. Tap each non-red creature. Sphinx Bomb deals 1 damage to each creature tapped or untapped this way. The better question is "What riddle doesn't it solve?"
I am genuinely unsure what challenge this is for
1: A huge disaster threatens District Five and we need to trigger evacuation (Evacuation) protocols, but we lack evidence. You need to cause some disturbance or panic, so we can use it as an excuse in the senate.
Note the color coordination. Referencing a Sphinx, a creature traditionally found in the colors of the Senate, was just a little tip of the hat.
Anyone who still professes suspicion of me after being reminded of the above is scum. There is literally no way I could have lucked in to all of that. I was able to build all that into my card because I knew the quest when I sat down to design.
Pretty big town points to Void and Superbajt for not just jumping on my wagon, although I guess one or both could be hedging their bets in case I successfully derail my exile train. Does a Cardz/Subject scum team make sense? I'm really confounded by Cardz being the only one to design to the Nephilim quest in round 1, and his round 3 card felt really solid, although it didn't DIRECTLY relate to the quest...maybe he's just designing good everyman cards and being able to shoehorn them in after the fact? This is frustrating.
I'd like some thoughts on whether or not Subject is intentionally derping. He's talking about not making flavor text too obvious, but the rules say that flavor gets stripped out before it's sent to the Bolas Agents. He's talking about them only getting one card each round to try to copy, but the rules say that they get two (and Juan made it clear in a separate post near the start of the game how he was choosing those two cards). So if Subject is being sincere, then he's not Bolas because Bolas would know that they don't get flavor text when they get sample cards to emulate, and Bolas would know that they get two cards, not one. So...is Subject intentionally derping, trying to get cleared for not knowing those things? Or is he sincere?
It's very probable I won't have much time in next hours and days (especially that I'm behind on judging MCC already ) so even if in a perfect world I'd prefer to unvote like void, I'm going to do the next best thing.
Given all designs, not adhering to rules and later trying to pretend he doesn't know them, previous behavior and especially last situation, it's hard for me to imagine a scenario where Subject16 is NOT Bolas. unvote void, vote Subject16
JuanCu, how long until end of round?
I'll try to look here again, but I promise nothing. I hope they fixed internet in my place already :/
Okay, so very clearly have I been going about this in the wrong way. It is still technically possible for team Bolas to only receive one hint card if there are only one quest related card. That was still a huge mistake on my part, meaning I'll have to go back and see where people have been falling behind. I'm sure a lot of fingers are pointing at me right now and that's understandable, but I guess my only defence in that regard is that if I were Bolas I would have known the correct procedure from the get go (and even I wouldn't be ballsy enough to try feigning ignoring the rules were I a Bolas player).
@Subject16: What do you mean "see where people have been falling behind"? You know that we can't just trust you when you say you weren't feigning not knowing the rules, right? Why are you voting if you have recently been put in a position that requires re-assessing; why not re-assess first?
I'll admit that it's a preliminary vote whilst I go over what I can look at, and in that sense I'm going with my gut. I really want to re-examine everything, but that takes a lot more time than I currently have.
From my perspective, void's designs have been the more generic ones so far. I can't allow myself to make any judgements on the first round because it's format allowed the Bolas players to make changes after seeing the quests. In that regard, his round 2 and 3 designs to me lack any specific references to the quest (aside from the Blue hating which was likely taken from a hint card, and it's other ability is more of a catch-all rather than nailing the quest).
From my perspective, void's designs have been the more generic ones so far. I can't allow myself to make any judgements on the first round because it's format allowed the Bolas players to make changes after seeing the quests. In that regard, his round 2 and 3 designs to me lack any specific references to the quest (aside from the Blue hating which was likely taken from a hint card, and it's other ability is more of a catch-all rather than nailing the quest).
I didn't think round 1 was any different? Each round Bolas receives up to 2 cards (or only 1 if all Guildies submit for the same quest?) stripped of name and flavor text. They design their cards, submit them to the mod, are given the quests, then can modify the name and flavor of their cards to match. Right? What was different about round 1 (other than all three quests being mod-given and none being a trap)?
Private Messages sent. Here is the header for the Rules reference, with Quest information redacted:
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Congratulations, Guildpact Agents! We have discovered one of the outsiders in our midst.
We have the next Quests... but what is this?... there are 4?? We know there were only supposed to be 3!
This means our information is compromised, and the outsiders have implanted a Trap Quest!
Be extremely wary!
(Here are the rules)
- The Bolas team gave me a Quest idea, that I rewrote, and shuffled among the rest.
- If two or more players choose the Trap Quest (even if one of them is Bolas), one of those players may get exiled AFTER the voting, at team Bolas discretion.
- Only a single Bolas player may choose this Trap Quest (or zero.)
- Bolas players still receive up to two Hint cards from the regular Quests, and from different quests.
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Quests:
WWWW
XXXX
YYYY
ZZZZ
Quoted for relevance. These rules are clear to me.
I reread all of Subject16's posts. I'm...actually leaning away from him being Bolas. I'm not getting a manipulative feeling from his posts, and he's pretty consistently seemed to be a little unclear on the rules and/or quests, and not in obvious derpy ways, either. One specific example that I found convincing was in 231 where he says "The quest says nothing about placing an alarm or a snare, only to create something that traps (either in a specific location or within an object)." (emphasis mine) The quest was "...Make a trap for a place or object..." Subject16 thinking that the quest was asking for the intruder to be trapped "within an object" and then designing the card he did (Stasis Ooze) actually makes some sense, and, I think, lends more credibility to his recent rules derps. I'll probably regret this, but I think I'm going to say that Subject is Guildy.
Which means that it's two of Void, Cardz, and Superbajt, which blows me away because I felt pretty good about both Void and Cardz.
@Cardz and @Void: Which card do you each think you've done the best job on so far in this game?
Define "best job". Military Exercises (R2) as a design I'd actually want to play with, but Parhelion Teleport (R5) for nailing the quest. I would have said Armory of the Ages (R4) for the latter if anyone had got it without me having to explain.
Soloing a R1 quest, even if the flavor text for that card was odd to me, really points to Cardz being Town, imho. If I'm going to argue that something I did in round 1 should be my biggest towntell, then I should give Cardz that same benefit.
Like Void, the card I feel nailed the quest the best, and the cards that I feel are the best design differ
As far as nailing the quest, I'm really proud of Redact (R3) and Nightborn Figment (R5)
For cards I would love to play with, I really like Unassuming Aberration (R2) and Psionic Barrier (R4)
I will point out that I was not up to snuff on my lore knowledge for the nephilim with my R1 Flavor Text, but I do feel that the mechanics of the card speak to the challenge.
I decided to focus strongly on the round that I felt would be most challenging for Bolas: round 1. With some heavy scrutiny of that round's submissions and reactions, I think I want to vote Superbajt. Here's why:
1. His submission (Findbroker's Deal) is very generic. It feels like it was designed to allow for multiple flavor interpretations.
2. His reaction post for the round worked hard to try to connect the card of two Guildies (me and M_J) to a Bolas Agent (Ragnarok) for all being of similar intent, but then he pushed M_J as most suspicious of the three.
3. I don't like how he seems to set up a possibly unproven judging criteria ("Guild cards are more likely to be elegant, therefore less elegant cards are more likely Bolas") and goes on record as possibly voting on that criteria.
4. I never would have thought that Ragnarok's "sac lands to make 4/4's" would have stemmed from a copy attempt on my "find a small creature then deal your creature's power to a target" or vice versa. That feels like a very weak connection that Superbajt is reaching to make.
5. He also attacked Aleto/Amuzet and Raptor for having generic designs when his own was generic.
6. He mild smears (or strongly attacks) pretty much everyone in Round 1 except for Cardz and Subject16.
7. He props up the idea that the Boar tokens are possibly indicative of Ragnarok being Guildy. (This isn't as indicative given that Raptor was the one really pushing that the Boar tokens were a good sign.)
In addition:
55: Superbajt goes to some length to push practically ANYONE over Ragnarok, finishing with the thought that even if Ragnarok is Bolas, it's highly likely that M_J is also, so we should start with M_J.
As for what I found in my reread on the other suspects:
Void_Nothing:
24: First to attack Ragnarok. Could be a bus, but...why not wait and see how the winds blow before just busing a buddy? Slight twinge of concern that Void only commented on Ragnarok to start, but...
37: Clears/condemns a LOT of players based on flavor, which is bad...but it was still early game, and that element wasn't as clear. Regardless, the strong attack on Ragnarok and strong defense of Raptor would be a pretty gutsy path to take if he's Bolas.
Subject16:
26: I wish I knew what had been edited here (oh, Superbajt indicated that he changed his vote from Raptor to Ragnarok). Suspects Raptor and Ragnarok, then zdtsd. First to offer up the possibility that the Boar tokens are indicative, but appears to write that off as just flavor related. Indicating that he was going for Raptor to start then switched to Ragnarok is...maybe indicative of a pre-emptive bus? A lot of flavor focus, especially for zdtsd, but possible that he's just been misunderstanding that aspect from the beginning. Not real fond of the way he puts M_J and Amuzet in his list of suspects without reason at the end.
29: Feels odd that he would white knight me at this point (before everyone had weighed in) if he's Bolas.
Cardz5000:
27: Suspicious of Amuzet and Raptor for fairly generic reasons. Surprised he didn't even mention anyone else.
94: Apologizes for not being around, sticks to his guns, grants that Ragnarok's card feels carried by flavor, but still says he'd vote Raptor/M_J/Amuzet. I think it's less likely that Bolas Agent-Cardz would choose NOT to agree with others when his buddy-Ragnarok was already locked into exile.
I want to take another look at Superbajt's other round submissions, but figured I'd put this out there so that people could dissect my thoughts and see if they agree/disagree/why/etc.
Not voting yet since Juan graciously gave us some solid discussion time.
Yes, it's quite generic, I agree. I imagined the flavor of findbrokers would carry me, and the card itself was supposed to be elegant. Refer to 3 to know why. It is wrong, if you think about it now and how we design now, and I didn't even copy the findbroker text. I would design this card in a different way now, when I know how this game looks, but it made sense to me then.
Yes, I pushed for M_J since the first round, and I was wrong. On my defense, it means in round 2 I was not voting for Amuzet, and in round 3 I was joined by the majority of players when M_J basically gave up, too soon, if you ask me - in hindsight, of course.
Yes, the strategy was unproven - as this whole game is, especially then. I didn't think about indirectly adding quests (like Cantripmancer's District 5) yet, so this was the best ground I could think of. In fact, I believe the invocation of quests like this makes for quite ugly cards sometimes, so my designer side is not happy when it sees many of the designs here. If it wasn't for this, I believe my line of thinking would be quite solid.
This is definitely my weak side in games like this - when I try to find out who's bad, I sometimes make some assumptions, and the try to find a confirmation for them. Unfortunately, you can prove anything to yourself, if you try hard enough. But still, when I look into it now, it may have been a try to guess a quest, not a specific mechanic needed, so it is still possible that Catripmancer's card was shown to Bolas, and Ragnarok used it to design his.
They were generic AND looking as they tried to fit any possible challenge that could be thought of. I believe mine was designed with a specific aspect of the guild in mind, which perfectly fits the challenge. As I said, I would design my card differently now, but it would be a subtle change, to more mimic Golgari Findbroker. For Amuzet, I believe it was a bad design and I would blame him again at that point, for Raptorchan... Well, now when I look at it, I think I was too much inspired by the lynchtrain and incorrectly saw what they saw.
Well, I concluded that it was a triangle of inspiration, so probably your or M_J's card was given to Ragnarok, and I suggested at least one of you is Guildpact. Believe me, this game makes me quite anxious and I don't know what and who I should believe, and it was a beginning of this.
Well, I started it, thankfully it wasn't listened to. Boars still feel quite lucky to me, though
55. not anyone, but Amuzet or M_J. I explained why I didn't believe them, and why I believed Ragnarok (Boars). Sure, I was wrong, but I had my reasons which were presented to everyone.
And, as you noticed, I was pro clarity and sharing information from the beginning, as it makes the game much easier for Guildpact as they can compare their info freely, while Bolas can do it anyway.
I'm afraid that you do to me exactly what I do definitely too often - you assume something and try to find confirmation for your assumption, even if subconsciously. I probably karmically deserve that, but, as you are basically confirmed Guildpact, it's crucial that you don't make such mistake. I don't understand why do you try to show so many examples of my bad early decisions, but then write off void's as early game and elements not being clear. And why you still ignore all Subject's disinformation as misunderstandings.
For now, I'm not entirely sure if Cardz or void is the second Bolas (void really gained in my eyes after Subject16's sudden turn on Cantripmancer), but I'm quite sure Subject16 is Bolas.
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I think it may be seems like the most likely right now, and is the most suspect to me right now.
vote:
Anyone who still professes suspicion of me after being reminded of the above is scum. There is literally no way I could have lucked in to all of that. I was able to build all that into my card because I knew the quest when I sat down to design.
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Pretty big town points to Void and Superbajt for not just jumping on my wagon, although I guess one or both could be hedging their bets in case I successfully derail my exile train. Does a Cardz/Subject scum team make sense? I'm really confounded by Cardz being the only one to design to the Nephilim quest in round 1, and his round 3 card felt really solid, although it didn't DIRECTLY relate to the quest...maybe he's just designing good everyman cards and being able to shoehorn them in after the fact? This is frustrating.
I'd like some thoughts on whether or not Subject is intentionally derping. He's talking about not making flavor text too obvious, but the rules say that flavor gets stripped out before it's sent to the Bolas Agents. He's talking about them only getting one card each round to try to copy, but the rules say that they get two (and Juan made it clear in a separate post near the start of the game how he was choosing those two cards). So if Subject is being sincere, then he's not Bolas because Bolas would know that they don't get flavor text when they get sample cards to emulate, and Bolas would know that they get two cards, not one. So...is Subject intentionally derping, trying to get cleared for not knowing those things? Or is he sincere?
/Unvote, and no revote yet. I would like more time to think.
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Given all designs, not adhering to rules and later trying to pretend he doesn't know them, previous behavior and especially last situation, it's hard for me to imagine a scenario where Subject16 is NOT Bolas.
unvote void, vote Subject16
JuanCu, how long until end of round?
I'll try to look here again, but I promise nothing. I hope they fixed internet in my place already :/
apparently I need to re-read the thread again...
I̟̥͍̠ͅn̩͉̣͍̬͚ͅ ̬̬͖t̯̹̞̺͖͓̯̤h̘͍̬e͙̯͈̖̼̮ ̭̬f̺̲̲̪i͙͉̟̩̰r̪̝͚͈̝̥͍̝̲s̼̻͇̘̳͔ͅt̲̺̳̗̜̪̙ ̳̺̥̻͚̗ͅm̜̜̟̰͈͓͎͇o̝̖̮̝͇m̯̻̞̼̫̗͓̤e̩̯̬̮̩n͎̱̪̲̹͖t͇̖s̰̮ͅ,̤̲͙̻̭̻̯̹̰ ̖t̫̙̺̯͖͚̯ͅh͙̯̦̳̗̰̟e͖̪͉̼̯ ̪͕g̞̣͔a̗̦t̬̬͓͙̫̖̭̻e̩̻̯ ̜̖̦̖̤̭͙̬t̞̹̥̪͎͉ͅo͕͚͍͇̲͇͓̺ ̭̬͙͈̣̻t͈͍͙͓̫̖͙̩h̪̬̖̙e̗͈ ̗̬̟̞̺̤͉̯ͅa̦̯͚̙̜̮f͉͙̲̣̞̼t̪̤̞̣͚e̲͉̳̥r͇̪̙͚͓l̥̞̞͎̹̯̹ͅi͓̬f̮̥̬̞͈ͅe͎ ̟̩̤̳̠̯̩̯o̮̘̲p̟͚̣̞͉͓e͍̩̣n͔̼͕͚̜e̬̱d̼̘͎̖̹͍̮̠,͖̺̭̱̮ ̣̲͖̬̪̭̥a̪͚n̟̲̝̤̤̞̗d̘̱̗͇̮͕̳͕͔ ͖̞͉͎t̹̙͎h̰̱͉̗e̪̞̱̝̹̩ͅ ̠̱̩̭̦p̯̙e͓o̳͚̰̯̺̱̰͔̘p̬͎̱̣̼̩͇l̗̟̖͚̠e̱͉͔̱̦̬̟̙ ̖͚̪͔̼̦w̺̖̤̱e͖̗̻̦͓̖̘̜r̭̥e͔̹̫̱͕̦̰͕ ̗͔̠p̠̗͍͍̱̳̠r̰͔͎̰o͉̥͓̰͚̥s̟͚̹̱͔̣t͉̙̳̖͖̪̮r̥̘̥͙̹a͉̟̫̟̳̠̟̭t͈̜̰͈͎e̞̣̭̲̬ ͚̗̯̟͙i͍͖̰̘̦͖͉ṇ̮̻̯̦̲̩͍ ̦̮͚̫̤t͉͖̫͕ͅͅh͙̮̻̘̣̮̼e͕̺ ͙l͕̠͎̰̥i̲͓͉̲g̫̳̟͈͇̖h̠̦̖t͓̯͎̗ ̳̪̘̟̙̩̦o̫̲f̙͔̰̙̠ ̹̪̗͇̯t͖̼̼͉͖̬h̹͇̩e͚̖̺̤͉̹͕̪ ͚͓̭̝̺G͎̗̯̩o̫̯̮̟̮̳̘d̜̲͙̠-̩̳̯̲̗̜P̹̘̥͉̝h͍͈̗̖̝ͅa͍̗̮̼̗r̜̖͇̙̺a̭̺͔̞̳͈o̪̣͓̯̬͙̯̰̗h̖̦͈̥̯͔.͇̣̙̝
Time to re-evaluate my evaluation skills.
For now though, I think my vote goes to
And why Boros?
From my perspective, void's designs have been the more generic ones so far. I can't allow myself to make any judgements on the first round because it's format allowed the Bolas players to make changes after seeing the quests. In that regard, his round 2 and 3 designs to me lack any specific references to the quest (aside from the Blue hating which was likely taken from a hint card, and it's other ability is more of a catch-all rather than nailing the quest).
I̟̥͍̠ͅn̩͉̣͍̬͚ͅ ̬̬͖t̯̹̞̺͖͓̯̤h̘͍̬e͙̯͈̖̼̮ ̭̬f̺̲̲̪i͙͉̟̩̰r̪̝͚͈̝̥͍̝̲s̼̻͇̘̳͔ͅt̲̺̳̗̜̪̙ ̳̺̥̻͚̗ͅm̜̜̟̰͈͓͎͇o̝̖̮̝͇m̯̻̞̼̫̗͓̤e̩̯̬̮̩n͎̱̪̲̹͖t͇̖s̰̮ͅ,̤̲͙̻̭̻̯̹̰ ̖t̫̙̺̯͖͚̯ͅh͙̯̦̳̗̰̟e͖̪͉̼̯ ̪͕g̞̣͔a̗̦t̬̬͓͙̫̖̭̻e̩̻̯ ̜̖̦̖̤̭͙̬t̞̹̥̪͎͉ͅo͕͚͍͇̲͇͓̺ ̭̬͙͈̣̻t͈͍͙͓̫̖͙̩h̪̬̖̙e̗͈ ̗̬̟̞̺̤͉̯ͅa̦̯͚̙̜̮f͉͙̲̣̞̼t̪̤̞̣͚e̲͉̳̥r͇̪̙͚͓l̥̞̞͎̹̯̹ͅi͓̬f̮̥̬̞͈ͅe͎ ̟̩̤̳̠̯̩̯o̮̘̲p̟͚̣̞͉͓e͍̩̣n͔̼͕͚̜e̬̱d̼̘͎̖̹͍̮̠,͖̺̭̱̮ ̣̲͖̬̪̭̥a̪͚n̟̲̝̤̤̞̗d̘̱̗͇̮͕̳͕͔ ͖̞͉͎t̹̙͎h̰̱͉̗e̪̞̱̝̹̩ͅ ̠̱̩̭̦p̯̙e͓o̳͚̰̯̺̱̰͔̘p̬͎̱̣̼̩͇l̗̟̖͚̠e̱͉͔̱̦̬̟̙ ̖͚̪͔̼̦w̺̖̤̱e͖̗̻̦͓̖̘̜r̭̥e͔̹̫̱͕̦̰͕ ̗͔̠p̠̗͍͍̱̳̠r̰͔͎̰o͉̥͓̰͚̥s̟͚̹̱͔̣t͉̙̳̖͖̪̮r̥̘̥͙̹a͉̟̫̟̳̠̟̭t͈̜̰͈͎e̞̣̭̲̬ ͚̗̯̟͙i͍͖̰̘̦͖͉ṇ̮̻̯̦̲̩͍ ̦̮͚̫̤t͉͖̫͕ͅͅh͙̮̻̘̣̮̼e͕̺ ͙l͕̠͎̰̥i̲͓͉̲g̫̳̟͈͇̖h̠̦̖t͓̯͎̗ ̳̪̘̟̙̩̦o̫̲f̙͔̰̙̠ ̹̪̗͇̯t͖̼̼͉͖̬h̹͇̩e͚̖̺̤͉̹͕̪ ͚͓̭̝̺G͎̗̯̩o̫̯̮̟̮̳̘d̜̲͙̠-̩̳̯̲̗̜P̹̘̥͉̝h͍͈̗̖̝ͅa͍̗̮̼̗r̜̖͇̙̺a̭̺͔̞̳͈o̪̣͓̯̬͙̯̰̗h̖̦͈̥̯͔.͇̣̙̝
I̟̥͍̠ͅn̩͉̣͍̬͚ͅ ̬̬͖t̯̹̞̺͖͓̯̤h̘͍̬e͙̯͈̖̼̮ ̭̬f̺̲̲̪i͙͉̟̩̰r̪̝͚͈̝̥͍̝̲s̼̻͇̘̳͔ͅt̲̺̳̗̜̪̙ ̳̺̥̻͚̗ͅm̜̜̟̰͈͓͎͇o̝̖̮̝͇m̯̻̞̼̫̗͓̤e̩̯̬̮̩n͎̱̪̲̹͖t͇̖s̰̮ͅ,̤̲͙̻̭̻̯̹̰ ̖t̫̙̺̯͖͚̯ͅh͙̯̦̳̗̰̟e͖̪͉̼̯ ̪͕g̞̣͔a̗̦t̬̬͓͙̫̖̭̻e̩̻̯ ̜̖̦̖̤̭͙̬t̞̹̥̪͎͉ͅo͕͚͍͇̲͇͓̺ ̭̬͙͈̣̻t͈͍͙͓̫̖͙̩h̪̬̖̙e̗͈ ̗̬̟̞̺̤͉̯ͅa̦̯͚̙̜̮f͉͙̲̣̞̼t̪̤̞̣͚e̲͉̳̥r͇̪̙͚͓l̥̞̞͎̹̯̹ͅi͓̬f̮̥̬̞͈ͅe͎ ̟̩̤̳̠̯̩̯o̮̘̲p̟͚̣̞͉͓e͍̩̣n͔̼͕͚̜e̬̱d̼̘͎̖̹͍̮̠,͖̺̭̱̮ ̣̲͖̬̪̭̥a̪͚n̟̲̝̤̤̞̗d̘̱̗͇̮͕̳͕͔ ͖̞͉͎t̹̙͎h̰̱͉̗e̪̞̱̝̹̩ͅ ̠̱̩̭̦p̯̙e͓o̳͚̰̯̺̱̰͔̘p̬͎̱̣̼̩͇l̗̟̖͚̠e̱͉͔̱̦̬̟̙ ̖͚̪͔̼̦w̺̖̤̱e͖̗̻̦͓̖̘̜r̭̥e͔̹̫̱͕̦̰͕ ̗͔̠p̠̗͍͍̱̳̠r̰͔͎̰o͉̥͓̰͚̥s̟͚̹̱͔̣t͉̙̳̖͖̪̮r̥̘̥͙̹a͉̟̫̟̳̠̟̭t͈̜̰͈͎e̞̣̭̲̬ ͚̗̯̟͙i͍͖̰̘̦͖͉ṇ̮̻̯̦̲̩͍ ̦̮͚̫̤t͉͖̫͕ͅͅh͙̮̻̘̣̮̼e͕̺ ͙l͕̠͎̰̥i̲͓͉̲g̫̳̟͈͇̖h̠̦̖t͓̯͎̗ ̳̪̘̟̙̩̦o̫̲f̙͔̰̙̠ ̹̪̗͇̯t͖̼̼͉͖̬h̹͇̩e͚̖̺̤͉̹͕̪ ͚͓̭̝̺G͎̗̯̩o̫̯̮̟̮̳̘d̜̲͙̠-̩̳̯̲̗̜P̹̘̥͉̝h͍͈̗̖̝ͅa͍̗̮̼̗r̜̖͇̙̺a̭̺͔̞̳͈o̪̣͓̯̬͙̯̰̗h̖̦͈̥̯͔.͇̣̙̝
Which means that it's two of Void, Cardz, and Superbajt, which blows me away because I felt pretty good about both Void and Cardz.
@Cardz and @Void: Which card do you each think you've done the best job on so far in this game?
Soloing a R1 quest, even if the flavor text for that card was odd to me, really points to Cardz being Town, imho. If I'm going to argue that something I did in round 1 should be my biggest towntell, then I should give Cardz that same benefit.
I̟̥͍̠ͅn̩͉̣͍̬͚ͅ ̬̬͖t̯̹̞̺͖͓̯̤h̘͍̬e͙̯͈̖̼̮ ̭̬f̺̲̲̪i͙͉̟̩̰r̪̝͚͈̝̥͍̝̲s̼̻͇̘̳͔ͅt̲̺̳̗̜̪̙ ̳̺̥̻͚̗ͅm̜̜̟̰͈͓͎͇o̝̖̮̝͇m̯̻̞̼̫̗͓̤e̩̯̬̮̩n͎̱̪̲̹͖t͇̖s̰̮ͅ,̤̲͙̻̭̻̯̹̰ ̖t̫̙̺̯͖͚̯ͅh͙̯̦̳̗̰̟e͖̪͉̼̯ ̪͕g̞̣͔a̗̦t̬̬͓͙̫̖̭̻e̩̻̯ ̜̖̦̖̤̭͙̬t̞̹̥̪͎͉ͅo͕͚͍͇̲͇͓̺ ̭̬͙͈̣̻t͈͍͙͓̫̖͙̩h̪̬̖̙e̗͈ ̗̬̟̞̺̤͉̯ͅa̦̯͚̙̜̮f͉͙̲̣̞̼t̪̤̞̣͚e̲͉̳̥r͇̪̙͚͓l̥̞̞͎̹̯̹ͅi͓̬f̮̥̬̞͈ͅe͎ ̟̩̤̳̠̯̩̯o̮̘̲p̟͚̣̞͉͓e͍̩̣n͔̼͕͚̜e̬̱d̼̘͎̖̹͍̮̠,͖̺̭̱̮ ̣̲͖̬̪̭̥a̪͚n̟̲̝̤̤̞̗d̘̱̗͇̮͕̳͕͔ ͖̞͉͎t̹̙͎h̰̱͉̗e̪̞̱̝̹̩ͅ ̠̱̩̭̦p̯̙e͓o̳͚̰̯̺̱̰͔̘p̬͎̱̣̼̩͇l̗̟̖͚̠e̱͉͔̱̦̬̟̙ ̖͚̪͔̼̦w̺̖̤̱e͖̗̻̦͓̖̘̜r̭̥e͔̹̫̱͕̦̰͕ ̗͔̠p̠̗͍͍̱̳̠r̰͔͎̰o͉̥͓̰͚̥s̟͚̹̱͔̣t͉̙̳̖͖̪̮r̥̘̥͙̹a͉̟̫̟̳̠̟̭t͈̜̰͈͎e̞̣̭̲̬ ͚̗̯̟͙i͍͖̰̘̦͖͉ṇ̮̻̯̦̲̩͍ ̦̮͚̫̤t͉͖̫͕ͅͅh͙̮̻̘̣̮̼e͕̺ ͙l͕̠͎̰̥i̲͓͉̲g̫̳̟͈͇̖h̠̦̖t͓̯͎̗ ̳̪̘̟̙̩̦o̫̲f̙͔̰̙̠ ̹̪̗͇̯t͖̼̼͉͖̬h̹͇̩e͚̖̺̤͉̹͕̪ ͚͓̭̝̺G͎̗̯̩o̫̯̮̟̮̳̘d̜̲͙̠-̩̳̯̲̗̜P̹̘̥͉̝h͍͈̗̖̝ͅa͍̗̮̼̗r̜̖͇̙̺a̭̺͔̞̳͈o̪̣͓̯̬͙̯̰̗h̖̦͈̥̯͔.͇̣̙̝
As far as nailing the quest, I'm really proud of Redact (R3) and Nightborn Figment (R5)
For cards I would love to play with, I really like Unassuming Aberration (R2) and Psionic Barrier (R4)
I will point out that I was not up to snuff on my lore knowledge for the nephilim with my R1 Flavor Text, but I do feel that the mechanics of the card speak to the challenge.
I̟̥͍̠ͅn̩͉̣͍̬͚ͅ ̬̬͖t̯̹̞̺͖͓̯̤h̘͍̬e͙̯͈̖̼̮ ̭̬f̺̲̲̪i͙͉̟̩̰r̪̝͚͈̝̥͍̝̲s̼̻͇̘̳͔ͅt̲̺̳̗̜̪̙ ̳̺̥̻͚̗ͅm̜̜̟̰͈͓͎͇o̝̖̮̝͇m̯̻̞̼̫̗͓̤e̩̯̬̮̩n͎̱̪̲̹͖t͇̖s̰̮ͅ,̤̲͙̻̭̻̯̹̰ ̖t̫̙̺̯͖͚̯ͅh͙̯̦̳̗̰̟e͖̪͉̼̯ ̪͕g̞̣͔a̗̦t̬̬͓͙̫̖̭̻e̩̻̯ ̜̖̦̖̤̭͙̬t̞̹̥̪͎͉ͅo͕͚͍͇̲͇͓̺ ̭̬͙͈̣̻t͈͍͙͓̫̖͙̩h̪̬̖̙e̗͈ ̗̬̟̞̺̤͉̯ͅa̦̯͚̙̜̮f͉͙̲̣̞̼t̪̤̞̣͚e̲͉̳̥r͇̪̙͚͓l̥̞̞͎̹̯̹ͅi͓̬f̮̥̬̞͈ͅe͎ ̟̩̤̳̠̯̩̯o̮̘̲p̟͚̣̞͉͓e͍̩̣n͔̼͕͚̜e̬̱d̼̘͎̖̹͍̮̠,͖̺̭̱̮ ̣̲͖̬̪̭̥a̪͚n̟̲̝̤̤̞̗d̘̱̗͇̮͕̳͕͔ ͖̞͉͎t̹̙͎h̰̱͉̗e̪̞̱̝̹̩ͅ ̠̱̩̭̦p̯̙e͓o̳͚̰̯̺̱̰͔̘p̬͎̱̣̼̩͇l̗̟̖͚̠e̱͉͔̱̦̬̟̙ ̖͚̪͔̼̦w̺̖̤̱e͖̗̻̦͓̖̘̜r̭̥e͔̹̫̱͕̦̰͕ ̗͔̠p̠̗͍͍̱̳̠r̰͔͎̰o͉̥͓̰͚̥s̟͚̹̱͔̣t͉̙̳̖͖̪̮r̥̘̥͙̹a͉̟̫̟̳̠̟̭t͈̜̰͈͎e̞̣̭̲̬ ͚̗̯̟͙i͍͖̰̘̦͖͉ṇ̮̻̯̦̲̩͍ ̦̮͚̫̤t͉͖̫͕ͅͅh͙̮̻̘̣̮̼e͕̺ ͙l͕̠͎̰̥i̲͓͉̲g̫̳̟͈͇̖h̠̦̖t͓̯͎̗ ̳̪̘̟̙̩̦o̫̲f̙͔̰̙̠ ̹̪̗͇̯t͖̼̼͉͖̬h̹͇̩e͚̖̺̤͉̹͕̪ ͚͓̭̝̺G͎̗̯̩o̫̯̮̟̮̳̘d̜̲͙̠-̩̳̯̲̗̜P̹̘̥͉̝h͍͈̗̖̝ͅa͍̗̮̼̗r̜̖͇̙̺a̭̺͔̞̳͈o̪̣͓̯̬͙̯̰̗h̖̦͈̥̯͔.͇̣̙̝
1. His submission (Findbroker's Deal) is very generic. It feels like it was designed to allow for multiple flavor interpretations.
2. His reaction post for the round worked hard to try to connect the card of two Guildies (me and M_J) to a Bolas Agent (Ragnarok) for all being of similar intent, but then he pushed M_J as most suspicious of the three.
3. I don't like how he seems to set up a possibly unproven judging criteria ("Guild cards are more likely to be elegant, therefore less elegant cards are more likely Bolas") and goes on record as possibly voting on that criteria.
4. I never would have thought that Ragnarok's "sac lands to make 4/4's" would have stemmed from a copy attempt on my "find a small creature then deal your creature's power to a target" or vice versa. That feels like a very weak connection that Superbajt is reaching to make.
5. He also attacked Aleto/Amuzet and Raptor for having generic designs when his own was generic.
6. He mild smears (or strongly attacks) pretty much everyone in Round 1 except for Cardz and Subject16.
7. He props up the idea that the Boar tokens are possibly indicative of Ragnarok being Guildy. (This isn't as indicative given that Raptor was the one really pushing that the Boar tokens were a good sign.)
In addition:
55: Superbajt goes to some length to push practically ANYONE over Ragnarok, finishing with the thought that even if Ragnarok is Bolas, it's highly likely that M_J is also, so we should start with M_J.
As for what I found in my reread on the other suspects:
Void_Nothing:
24: First to attack Ragnarok. Could be a bus, but...why not wait and see how the winds blow before just busing a buddy? Slight twinge of concern that Void only commented on Ragnarok to start, but...
37: Clears/condemns a LOT of players based on flavor, which is bad...but it was still early game, and that element wasn't as clear. Regardless, the strong attack on Ragnarok and strong defense of Raptor would be a pretty gutsy path to take if he's Bolas.
Subject16:
26: I wish I knew what had been edited here (oh, Superbajt indicated that he changed his vote from Raptor to Ragnarok). Suspects Raptor and Ragnarok, then zdtsd. First to offer up the possibility that the Boar tokens are indicative, but appears to write that off as just flavor related. Indicating that he was going for Raptor to start then switched to Ragnarok is...maybe indicative of a pre-emptive bus? A lot of flavor focus, especially for zdtsd, but possible that he's just been misunderstanding that aspect from the beginning. Not real fond of the way he puts M_J and Amuzet in his list of suspects without reason at the end.
29: Feels odd that he would white knight me at this point (before everyone had weighed in) if he's Bolas.
Cardz5000:
27: Suspicious of Amuzet and Raptor for fairly generic reasons. Surprised he didn't even mention anyone else.
94: Apologizes for not being around, sticks to his guns, grants that Ragnarok's card feels carried by flavor, but still says he'd vote Raptor/M_J/Amuzet. I think it's less likely that Bolas Agent-Cardz would choose NOT to agree with others when his buddy-Ragnarok was already locked into exile.
I want to take another look at Superbajt's other round submissions, but figured I'd put this out there so that people could dissect my thoughts and see if they agree/disagree/why/etc.
Not voting yet since Juan graciously gave us some solid discussion time.
I̟̥͍̠ͅn̩͉̣͍̬͚ͅ ̬̬͖t̯̹̞̺͖͓̯̤h̘͍̬e͙̯͈̖̼̮ ̭̬f̺̲̲̪i͙͉̟̩̰r̪̝͚͈̝̥͍̝̲s̼̻͇̘̳͔ͅt̲̺̳̗̜̪̙ ̳̺̥̻͚̗ͅm̜̜̟̰͈͓͎͇o̝̖̮̝͇m̯̻̞̼̫̗͓̤e̩̯̬̮̩n͎̱̪̲̹͖t͇̖s̰̮ͅ,̤̲͙̻̭̻̯̹̰ ̖t̫̙̺̯͖͚̯ͅh͙̯̦̳̗̰̟e͖̪͉̼̯ ̪͕g̞̣͔a̗̦t̬̬͓͙̫̖̭̻e̩̻̯ ̜̖̦̖̤̭͙̬t̞̹̥̪͎͉ͅo͕͚͍͇̲͇͓̺ ̭̬͙͈̣̻t͈͍͙͓̫̖͙̩h̪̬̖̙e̗͈ ̗̬̟̞̺̤͉̯ͅa̦̯͚̙̜̮f͉͙̲̣̞̼t̪̤̞̣͚e̲͉̳̥r͇̪̙͚͓l̥̞̞͎̹̯̹ͅi͓̬f̮̥̬̞͈ͅe͎ ̟̩̤̳̠̯̩̯o̮̘̲p̟͚̣̞͉͓e͍̩̣n͔̼͕͚̜e̬̱d̼̘͎̖̹͍̮̠,͖̺̭̱̮ ̣̲͖̬̪̭̥a̪͚n̟̲̝̤̤̞̗d̘̱̗͇̮͕̳͕͔ ͖̞͉͎t̹̙͎h̰̱͉̗e̪̞̱̝̹̩ͅ ̠̱̩̭̦p̯̙e͓o̳͚̰̯̺̱̰͔̘p̬͎̱̣̼̩͇l̗̟̖͚̠e̱͉͔̱̦̬̟̙ ̖͚̪͔̼̦w̺̖̤̱e͖̗̻̦͓̖̘̜r̭̥e͔̹̫̱͕̦̰͕ ̗͔̠p̠̗͍͍̱̳̠r̰͔͎̰o͉̥͓̰͚̥s̟͚̹̱͔̣t͉̙̳̖͖̪̮r̥̘̥͙̹a͉̟̫̟̳̠̟̭t͈̜̰͈͎e̞̣̭̲̬ ͚̗̯̟͙i͍͖̰̘̦͖͉ṇ̮̻̯̦̲̩͍ ̦̮͚̫̤t͉͖̫͕ͅͅh͙̮̻̘̣̮̼e͕̺ ͙l͕̠͎̰̥i̲͓͉̲g̫̳̟͈͇̖h̠̦̖t͓̯͎̗ ̳̪̘̟̙̩̦o̫̲f̙͔̰̙̠ ̹̪̗͇̯t͖̼̼͉͖̬h̹͇̩e͚̖̺̤͉̹͕̪ ͚͓̭̝̺G͎̗̯̩o̫̯̮̟̮̳̘d̜̲͙̠-̩̳̯̲̗̜P̹̘̥͉̝h͍͈̗̖̝ͅa͍̗̮̼̗r̜̖͇̙̺a̭̺͔̞̳͈o̪̣͓̯̬͙̯̰̗h̖̦͈̥̯͔.͇̣̙̝
I'm afraid that you do to me exactly what I do definitely too often - you assume something and try to find confirmation for your assumption, even if subconsciously. I probably karmically deserve that, but, as you are basically confirmed Guildpact, it's crucial that you don't make such mistake. I don't understand why do you try to show so many examples of my bad early decisions, but then write off void's as early game and elements not being clear. And why you still ignore all Subject's disinformation as misunderstandings.
For now, I'm not entirely sure if Cardz or void is the second Bolas (void really gained in my eyes after Subject16's sudden turn on Cantripmancer), but I'm quite sure Subject16 is Bolas.