Can I get some people's opinions on Peacekeeper's Gavel? I knew it would be hit or miss because it is a colored artifact, but I just wanted some opinions on what I think is an especially flavorful card, made more so if you remember a certain split card.
Today's version becomes a dual land that doesn't deal damage to you. My previous version only become an Island and dealt damage to you still. Was trying to improve on my first version
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Creature - Sliver (R)
Sliver cards in players' hands have madness. Their madness cost is equal to the colored mana in their mana cost.
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When ~ enters the battlefield, exile another target creature.
When ~ leaves the battlefield, return the exiled creature to the battlefield under its owner's control.
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oh hell yes, i am so voting for this
edit: oh wait, dang, i just realized the triggered can be stacked however you want... so the second triggered ability can be triggered first before a creature has even been exiled, then the first ability can exile a creature without ever having to give it back.
Okay, this is ridiculous - I'm practically falling asleep at the computer and I have work in an hour. If someone else would get today's thread up here like real soon now, I'd be grateful. Otherwise, I'll try to do it after I get back from work.
Okay, this is ridiculous - I'm practically falling asleep at the computer and I have work in an hour. If someone else would get today's thread up here like real soon now, I'd be grateful. Otherwise, I'll try to do it after I get back from work.
I'd help man, but I'm workin off a mobile phone's roaming signal till the Internet company gets here on Friday...
edit: oh wait, dang, i just realized the triggered can be stacked however you want... so the second triggered ability can be triggered first before a creature has even been exiled, then the first ability can exile a creature without ever having to give it back.
it's a great concept though.
Seriously. I got so excited when I read this card, and then your post ruined everything. Sorry Buffalo, this is a time where those rules got in your way.
If it didn't have flash, it'd probably be okay. With flash, its evoke cost should probably be 1WW (it's still better than Unmake at that point, but Unmake can be cast in a mono-black deck).
If it didn't have flash, it'd probably be okay. With flash, its evoke cost should probably be 1WW (it's still better than Unmake at that point, but Unmake can be cast in a mono-black deck).
So it's not that far off what it should be.
My problem is not so much with the costing (although you are right that it should be higher considering the trick with the triggers), but that it takes advantage of an unintuitive loophole in the rules in order to use that effect. I am fine with the loophole existing when it uses multiple cards, but putting it on one card just seems wrong.
edit: oh wait, dang, i just realized the triggered can be stacked however you want... so the second triggered ability can be triggered first before a creature has even been exiled, then the first ability can exile a creature without ever having to give it back.
it's a great concept though.
Can someone explain this to me? I'm a bit confused. Wouldn't it (if you paid the evoke) enter the battlefield, then trigger #1 resolves, then leave the battlefield, then trigger #2 resolves? I'm probably missing some key understanding here, but I'd really like to know for future reference.
For everybody's reference, here are the rules for evoke:
702.72a Evoke represents two abilities: a static ability that functions in any zone from which the card with evoke can be cast and a triggered ability that functions on the battlefield. "Evoke [cost]" means "You may cast this card by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost" and "When this permanent enters the battlefield, if its evoke cost was paid, its controller sacrifices it." Paying a card's evoke cost follows the rules for paying alternative costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2e–g.
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8buffalo has a point. It seems the evoke trigger resolves before the "leaves the battlefield" trigger goes on the stack. Therefore, you would need another sac engine to permanently remove the creature.
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Well, technically there are three triggers involved: the ETB trigger on the card, the "on ETB, sacrifice me" trigger from Evoke, and the LTB trigger on the card.
The first two can be put on the stack in whatever order you want, because they're both ETB triggers; for permanent exiling of a creature, you'd put the card's ETB trigger on the stack first, then the Evoke trigger. Once the Evoke trigger resolves, the LTB trigger will go off, and so the LTB trigger resolves before the ETB trigger has a chance to. (If you put the Evoke trigger on the stack first instead, then it just flickers the targeted creature, because the triggers go off in the "intended" order.)
1. Creature enters battlefield
2. Put ETB trigger on stack, then evoke trigger
3. Evoke triggers, you sac creature
4. LTB triggers and resolves
5. ETB resolves, exiling a creature
6. No evoker in play, opp's creature is permanently exiled
Mind was confuzzled, but I see it now. Still borked
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I see the issue now. It's disappointing that it's so easily abusable, because I actually quite liked that concept. Oh well, I guess. I'll probably be screwing around with Evoke a lot over the next several days.
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Yeah, that's a good design that falls flat in practice. I've actually made a similar card once, wherein I overcame the nonsense by having the exile trigger be when you cast it.
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8buffalo has a point. It seems the evoke trigger resolves before the "leaves the battlefield" trigger goes on the stack. Therefore, you would need another sac engine to permanently remove the creature.
the creature has two "enters the battlefield" triggers... one that exiles target creature and one that says "sacrifice this creature." the controller can stack the triggers so the creature is sacrificed before the exile-target ability triggers, then the leaves-battlefield ability triggers and resolves before a target has even been exiled
edit: oop, looks like there's another page and MDenham already gave this explanation
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why doesn't this have madness GUB?
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until end of turn? if not, why is it triggered (or without +1/+1 counters) instead of static?
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oh hell yes, i am so voting for this
edit: oh wait, dang, i just realized the triggered can be stacked however you want... so the second triggered ability can be triggered first before a creature has even been exiled, then the first ability can exile a creature without ever having to give it back.
it's a great concept though.
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Seriously. I got so excited when I read this card, and then your post ruined everything. Sorry Buffalo, this is a time where those rules got in your way.
So it's not that far off what it should be.
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My problem is not so much with the costing (although you are right that it should be higher considering the trick with the triggers), but that it takes advantage of an unintuitive loophole in the rules in order to use that effect. I am fine with the loophole existing when it uses multiple cards, but putting it on one card just seems wrong.
Also, I seem to keep getting stuck on two votes.
Can someone explain this to me? I'm a bit confused. Wouldn't it (if you paid the evoke) enter the battlefield, then trigger #1 resolves, then leave the battlefield, then trigger #2 resolves? I'm probably missing some key understanding here, but I'd really like to know for future reference.
For everybody's reference, here are the rules for evoke:
702.72a Evoke represents two abilities: a static ability that functions in any zone from which the card with evoke can be cast and a triggered ability that functions on the battlefield. "Evoke [cost]" means "You may cast this card by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost" and "When this permanent enters the battlefield, if its evoke cost was paid, its controller sacrifices it." Paying a card's evoke cost follows the rules for paying alternative costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2e–g.
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The first two can be put on the stack in whatever order you want, because they're both ETB triggers; for permanent exiling of a creature, you'd put the card's ETB trigger on the stack first, then the Evoke trigger. Once the Evoke trigger resolves, the LTB trigger will go off, and so the LTB trigger resolves before the ETB trigger has a chance to. (If you put the Evoke trigger on the stack first instead, then it just flickers the targeted creature, because the triggers go off in the "intended" order.)
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1. Creature enters battlefield
2. Put ETB trigger on stack, then evoke trigger
3. Evoke triggers, you sac creature
4. LTB triggers and resolves
5. ETB resolves, exiling a creature
6. No evoker in play, opp's creature is permanently exiled
Mind was confuzzled, but I see it now. Still borked
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Is it me or does ME's card seem a tiny bit undercosted, so says Early Harvest and Rude Awakening.
Generals meant to be drafted first in a single pack of 6 cards.
And here is the actual cube, meant to be drafted in 4 regular sized packs. (60 card decks)
the creature has two "enters the battlefield" triggers... one that exiles target creature and one that says "sacrifice this creature." the controller can stack the triggers so the creature is sacrificed before the exile-target ability triggers, then the leaves-battlefield ability triggers and resolves before a target has even been exiled
edit: oop, looks like there's another page and MDenham already gave this explanation
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extremely bit undercosted. i think this would make lotus cobra explode.
it should definitely cost more than Scapeshift.
I got a +2 bonus on the 8th, but Small Child only got a +1 bonus on the 9th and Socrates only got a +1 bonus on the 10th?
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