Yes, but when Gideon, the Heretic becomes a creature he ceases to be a planeswalker and no longer has a "loyalty" characteristic (just leftover loyalty counters). That's why I think his ultimatum ability has to reference "loyalty counters" rather than "loyalty."
The ability gives him p/t only once, so the loyalty is only checked once during resolution (see rulings for Elvish Branchbender). It would also check the game state before he becomes a creature:
608.2g If an effect requires information from the game (such as the number of creatures on the battlefield), the answer is determined only once, when the effect is applied. If the effect requires information from a specific object, including the source of the ability itself or a target that's become illegal, the effect uses the current information of that object if it's in the public zone it was expected to be in; if it's no longer in that zone, or if the effect has moved it from a public zone to a hidden zone, the effect uses the object's last known information. See rule 112.7a. If an ability states that an object does something, it's the object as it exists -- or as it most recently existed -- that does it, not the ability.
Don't get me wrong, though, I honestly just brought it up for the sake of rules nerdiness.
Don't get me wrong, though, I honestly just brought it up for the sake of rules nerdiness.
I like to clear up rules questions too, for the sake of future designing/judging. I think you're right, given Elvish Branchbender (or even Baru, Fist of Krosa and Phyrexian Processor). In that case, the best wording of Gideon's third ability would probably be:
Gideon, the Heretic loses all abilities and becomes an X/X Human Soldier creature with "This creature is indestructible," where X is his loyalty.
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Ok, I will finish my judgings within the next 2 hours. Sorry for the very long delay.
That's okay. Round 4 typically runs into the first couple days of the next month anyway. And like Aurora said, it's best if each judge finishes his judgings (so players aren't left wondering "what could have been, if Judge X had finished").
My judgings are complete. Congradulations to those moving one to round two. If you have any questions or comments, send me a PM and we can discuss the matter further.
I'm done. That was kinda tough to judge, actually.
Note: PanchoPonce is in my bracket. I PM'd Surge and Cantripmancer about this, and they said that a few entrants should be moved around to keep things even.
(Specifically, PanchoPonce gets judged by me, and DragonOfCleansingFire gets judged by Phuzzy, since I and Phuzzy both had one non-entrant in our pods, and there should be an equal number of entrants in each pod.)
EDIT: I noticed the first post of the playing thread has been edited... but the two players added under "late edits" shouldn't be there; they edited their posts on Dec. 4, but the deadline was at the start of Dec. 5.
I was told that i had edited past the deadline when i look at the time and date of the last edit and it says 12/04/10 at 11 pm when the deadline of this round was at 12/05/10 at 12 am.
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Yea lets hope they catch their mistake before the judging deadline.
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My Judgings are finished, and I've judged Dragon of cleansing fire as well since it seems that his card is legal. Congratulations to those moving on, and everyone that isn't should know that I've preemptively filed restraining orders against them.
DragonOfCleansingFire and Altaurus321 shouldn't be DQ'd; the organizers do check this thread regularly, so they'll probably correct the error once they read these posts here. (Altaurus321 should be judged by Surge.)
Thank you i am glad that the problem was fixed and i can understand i have made plenty of mistakes.
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My apologies to Dragon and Altaurus. I rely on timestamps to check late-edits, and it's never happened before that someone else who was in the MCC Hammer account changed the time setting for the account. That shift--4 hours--was just enough to put the two of you over the deadline.
My bad. Your participation has been reinstated. Sorry.
I have made a few mess-ups like those as well... but I usually ended up making them too weak rather than too strong. My June 2010 Round 1 is an example of this:
Figment of Imagination U
Creature - Illusion [Rare]
Flying
Whenever Figment of Imagination becomes tapped, any player may pay 2. If a player does, return Figment of Imagination to its owner's hand. It just never wants to stay real.
2/2
The ability gives him p/t only once, so the loyalty is only checked once during resolution (see rulings for Elvish Branchbender). It would also check the game state before he becomes a creature:
Don't get me wrong, though, I honestly just brought it up for the sake of rules nerdiness.
Take a mechanic from the pre-mirrodin era, and a mechanic after the mirrodin era, and create a card that flavorfully melds both mechanics.
Also, since there are eight judges in December, what happens if there are less than 32 entrants?
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I like to clear up rules questions too, for the sake of future designing/judging. I think you're right, given Elvish Branchbender (or even Baru, Fist of Krosa and Phyrexian Processor). In that case, the best wording of Gideon's third ability would probably be:
That's okay. Round 4 typically runs into the first couple days of the next month anyway. And like Aurora said, it's best if each judge finishes his judgings (so players aren't left wondering "what could have been, if Judge X had finished").
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Take a mechanic from the pre-mirrodin era, and a mechanic after the mirrodin era, and create a card that flavorfully melds both mechanics.
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Note: PanchoPonce is in my bracket. I PM'd Surge and Cantripmancer about this, and they said that a few entrants should be moved around to keep things even.
(Specifically, PanchoPonce gets judged by me, and DragonOfCleansingFire gets judged by Phuzzy, since I and Phuzzy both had one non-entrant in our pods, and there should be an equal number of entrants in each pod.)
EDIT: I noticed the first post of the playing thread has been edited... but the two players added under "late edits" shouldn't be there; they edited their posts on Dec. 4, but the deadline was at the start of Dec. 5.
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It is my personal goal in life to create a dragon card that will win the MCC.
"The dragon has no pretense of compassion, no false mask of civilization—just hunger, heat, and need." —Sarkhan Vol
I also noticed that Altaurus321 edited his card BEFORE the deadline but was DQ'd.
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It is my personal goal in life to create a dragon card that will win the MCC.
"The dragon has no pretense of compassion, no false mask of civilization—just hunger, heat, and need." —Sarkhan Vol
As always, I don't want to hear any complaints. The holidays are stressful enough.
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Awesome, thats great news!
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Certainly not! I had judged a card similar to the following:
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Pay 1 life: ____ gets +1/+1 until the beginning of the next end step.
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