Abuse BondUR Enchantment — Aura
Enchant permanent
Whenever a source you control deals damage to enchanted creature or planeswalker, gain control of it for as long as it's enchanted by Abuse Bond.
Flavor Text 1 What a futile way of bonding with yourself. One that you would never understand the imminence of to know to just give up—or why never to bother to begin with. The person you are trying to get in touch with is someone you will never reach.
Flavor Text 2 What a pitiful way of bonding with others. The ties of which are so empty and baseless—so fleeting and ghostly. The worthiness you are force-projecting is something you have yet to ever live up to truly.
Flavor Text 3 Pain tears down love—but it builds up stupidity at its worst.
Flavor Text 4 Exacted or self-inflicted, it establishes a direction that's wrong, and nearly impossible not to follow. Forward—instead of far, far away.
Had questioned a number of ways this could be done. I think straight-forward this is the best; as it's selective, non-repeatable, and encourages interaction without becoming a hard lockdown. I had contemplated a repeatable means:
Once per turn, whenever a source you control deals damage to a creature or planeswalker an opponent controls, put an abuse counter on that permanent. Whenever a permanent has (2 or 3) abuse counters on it, gain control of it for as long as it has (2 or 3) abuse counters on it.
Then a giga-chad version of this, that let the opposing player remove a counter every time a source they control dealt damage to you/source you control.
AuraelieanW Creature — Avatar
: Put an Aura token onto target permanent enchanting it that's a copy of another target Aura on the battlefield.
Disturb — 2W(You may cast this card transformed from your graveyard for its disturb cost.)
1/1
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Zeitgeist Enchantment — Aura
Enchant permanent
Zeitgeist enters the battlefield as a copy of another target Aura or Aura card in any revealed zone. It always beckons one eminent thing; redemption, renaissance, revelation, or reckoning.
Abuse Bond, this is some fairly messed up flavor but it functions in the rules. Probably undercosted by at least 1 maybe 2.
Auraeliean, a functional idea but that wording is a mess. "t: Create a copy of target Aura."
Zeitgeist, copys don't normally target and there doesn't seem to be a good reason for this one to target. You're using some tricky language here and you're known for giving your own definitions to tricky language. When you say revealed zone what do you intend on it meaning? If a player plays Guided Passage is their library now a revealed zone? What about Future Sight being in play? How about Telepathy? What if I played Duress this turn?
Abuse Bond is probably too cheap. It doesn't just slot into most decks, but it's not hard to build around it. Maybe if it had the effect of Patient Zero permanently it would be fine.
The first half of Aureliean is probably fine as well. The disturb part is probably too good. It works from the GY and copys things in the GY giving you access to things like 3 mana Overwhelming Splendor.
Absolutely. Guilded Passage makes the entire library a revealed zone for the time it is on the stack, so if you cast Zeitgeist by some means between then, you can have it enter the battlefield as any target Aura in your library; same is true for Duress.
As for the confines of a [card in a revealed zone] it's important to note that by all reason, that card itself needs to be revealed to constitute the effect. Therefore, you will only be able to use Future Sight in the event an Aura is revealed as the top card of your library; same is true for Telepathy.
As a two color Pacifism by most rights, with the only potential to expand upon requiring another outlet (a non-lethal one at that), I really can't say I see where you're coming from when you say this is over-costed. It's just fairly costed at best.
Absolutely. Guilded Passage makes the entire library a revealed zone for the time it is on the stack, so if you cast Zeitgeist by some means between then, you can have it enter the battlefield as any target Aura in your library; same is true for Duress.
I'm sorry, what?
Guided Passage reveals the library during the time it is RESOLVING. You cannot cast a spell in the middle of another spell resolving, so Guided Passage has nothing at all to do with your card. Same with Duress.
Absolutely. Guilded Passage makes the entire library a revealed zone for the time it is on the stack, so if you cast Zeitgeist by some means between then, you can have it enter the battlefield as any target Aura in your library; same is true for Duress.
I'm sorry, what?
Guided Passage reveals the library during the time it is RESOLVING. You cannot cast a spell in the middle of another spell resolving, so Guided Passage has nothing at all to do with your card. Same with Duress.
Reap doesn't have the best grasp on how the game actually works. Its best to just let it pass with a "Keep doin' your best, champ" and gentle pat on the head.
I was explaining the conditions you presented, of what would be relevant to the effect and constitute a [card in any revealed zone].
The card has to be revealed from the zone, and the effect must take place while the card is revealed.
You're twisting the context into technicalities to make a 'wrong-standing' statement against my best efforts to provide you with the reasonable explanation you asked for.
The card has to be revealed from the zone, and the effect must take place while the card is revealed.
So if you correctly understood that there is no opportunity to cast Zeitgeist during the resolution of Guided Passage or Duress (since the relevant zones are no longer revealed after the spells resolve), why did you give them as examples?
There are plenty of examples you could have used - Telepathy, Courser of Kruphix, Enduring Renewal, any cards that mill or exile cards from libraries - and yet you cited two specific examples that don't work.
Enchantment — Aura
Enchant permanent
Whenever a source you control deals damage to enchanted creature or planeswalker, gain control of it for as long as it's enchanted by Abuse Bond.
Flavor Text 1
What a futile way of bonding with yourself. One that you would never understand the imminence of to know to just give up—or why never to bother to begin with. The person you are trying to get in touch with is someone you will never reach.
Flavor Text 2
What a pitiful way of bonding with others. The ties of which are so empty and baseless—so fleeting and ghostly. The worthiness you are force-projecting is something you have yet to ever live up to truly.
Flavor Text 3
Pain tears down love—but it builds up stupidity at its worst.
Flavor Text 4
Exacted or self-inflicted, it establishes a direction that's wrong, and nearly impossible not to follow. Forward—instead of far, far away.
Had questioned a number of ways this could be done. I think straight-forward this is the best; as it's selective, non-repeatable, and encourages interaction without becoming a hard lockdown. I had contemplated a repeatable means:
Once per turn, whenever a source you control deals damage to a creature or planeswalker an opponent controls, put an abuse counter on that permanent. Whenever a permanent has (2 or 3) abuse counters on it, gain control of it for as long as it has (2 or 3) abuse counters on it.
Then a giga-chad version of this, that let the opposing player remove a counter every time a source they control dealt damage to you/source you control.
Auraeliean W
Creature — Avatar
: Put an Aura token onto target permanent enchanting it that's a copy of another target Aura on the battlefield.
Disturb — 2W (You may cast this card transformed from your graveyard for its disturb cost.)
1/1
//
Zeitgeist
Enchantment — Aura
Enchant permanent
Zeitgeist enters the battlefield as a copy of another target Aura or Aura card in any revealed zone.
It always beckons one eminent thing; redemption, renaissance, revelation, or reckoning.
Auraeliean, a functional idea but that wording is a mess. "t: Create a copy of target Aura."
Zeitgeist, copys don't normally target and there doesn't seem to be a good reason for this one to target. You're using some tricky language here and you're known for giving your own definitions to tricky language. When you say revealed zone what do you intend on it meaning? If a player plays Guided Passage is their library now a revealed zone? What about Future Sight being in play? How about Telepathy? What if I played Duress this turn?
The first half of Aureliean is probably fine as well. The disturb part is probably too good. It works from the GY and copys things in the GY giving you access to things like 3 mana Overwhelming Splendor.
As for the confines of a [card in a revealed zone] it's important to note that by all reason, that card itself needs to be revealed to constitute the effect. Therefore, you will only be able to use Future Sight in the event an Aura is revealed as the top card of your library; same is true for Telepathy.
As a two color Pacifism by most rights, with the only potential to expand upon requiring another outlet (a non-lethal one at that), I really can't say I see where you're coming from when you say this is over-costed. It's just fairly costed at best.
I'm sorry, what?
Guided Passage reveals the library during the time it is RESOLVING. You cannot cast a spell in the middle of another spell resolving, so Guided Passage has nothing at all to do with your card. Same with Duress.
Reap doesn't have the best grasp on how the game actually works. Its best to just let it pass with a "Keep doin' your best, champ" and gentle pat on the head.
The card has to be revealed from the zone, and the effect must take place while the card is revealed.
You're twisting the context into technicalities to make a 'wrong-standing' statement against my best efforts to provide you with the reasonable explanation you asked for.
Morale continues to
fallremain low around here.So if you correctly understood that there is no opportunity to cast Zeitgeist during the resolution of Guided Passage or Duress (since the relevant zones are no longer revealed after the spells resolve), why did you give them as examples?
There are plenty of examples you could have used - Telepathy, Courser of Kruphix, Enduring Renewal, any cards that mill or exile cards from libraries - and yet you cited two specific examples that don't work.
I was doing my best to explain the implied [what-if] using the best closest scenario.
Summarized: No matter what the effect, the card itself has to be revealed from the zone (and within resolution time) to constitute for selection.