The issue I was trying to point out is that a spell with multiple targets will resolve as long as any of those targets are still legal, and with this card that means the land doesn't need to be there when it resolves. It could be Gush or Harrow or Knight of the Reliquary or any number of other cards for the caster to make benefit of the land while this spell is on the stack, they come out ahead in the end.
It is punishing in the reverse, when the creature isn't there as it resolves, but if the idea is to make the black deck lose a land regardless of outcome, then the land exile should be an additional cost. And if the intention is that you only lose a land when the creature is exiled (and vice versa) then there needs to be something to link them together. I just don't see what reason there is for two separate targets.
I think an exiling Bone Splinters that costs 1 and sacs a land instead of a creature could easily cost 1B, or be restricted to sorcery speed, but I understand you're trying to reference a certain white card.
The issue I was trying to point out is that a spell with multiple targets will resolve as long as any of those targets are still legal, and with this card that means the land doesn't need to be there when it resolves. It could be Gush or Harrow or Knight of the Reliquary or any number of other cards for the caster to make benefit of the land while this spell is on the stack, they come out ahead in the end.
It is punishing in the reverse, when the creature isn't there as it resolves, but if the idea is to make the black deck lose a land regardless of outcome, then the land exile should be an additional cost. And if the intention is that you only lose a land when the creature is exiled (and vice versa) then there needs to be something to link them together. I just don't see what reason there is for two separate targets.
I'm okay with the interactions of a 1 mana removal spell and 3 mana green cards. I'm also okay with an opponent using Fling to punish it. I just overlooked the interaction with fetches, which pushed it above where I wanted it. As for the interaction with Gush, qell, Gush is a broken card, and is never played on fair decks anyways.
I think an exiling Bone Splinters that costs 1 and sacs a land instead of a creature could easily cost 1B, or be restricted to sorcery speed, but I understand you're trying to reference a certain white card.
I think having black exile a land is much more steep of a cost than sacrificing a creature.
The game you're playing here trying to close loopholes is a fool's errand because you are still running into loopholes, some of which are worse than the ones you were preventing.
Pathos of the ExileB
Instant (Uncommon)
Exile target creature you don't control and target basic land you do control.
This is the most balanced version. The best way to break parity is to crop rotation the land you target but that requires a very specific deck while most other versions either have a much steeper cost or are circumvented by heavily played cards such as Lotus Petal or Chrome Mox.
The game you're playing here trying to close loopholes is a fool's errand because you are still running into loopholes, some of which are worse than the ones you were preventing.
Pathos of the ExileB
Instant (Uncommon)
Exile target creature you don't control and target basic land you do control.
This is the most balanced version. The best way to break parity is to crop rotation the land you target but that requires a very specific deck while most other versions either have a much steeper cost or are circumvented by heavily played cards such as Lotus Petal or Chrome Mox.
That's how I feel too. And to be honest, Crop Rotation is an acceptable breaking of parity, because at the end of the day, it's a black, single target removal spell, so the upside to "abusing" it isn't really game breaking. It's still likely worse than Dismember
Instant (Uncommon)
Exile target creature you don't control and target land you do control.
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Pathos of the Exile B
Instant (Uncommon)
Exile a land you control. If you do, exile target creature an opponent controls.
Pathos of the Exile B
Instant (Uncommon)
Exile target creature you don't control and target basic land you do control.
There, I nerfed it a step further even.
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That’s a buff if anything. Run all non-basic lands and it’s a free exile.
How? It targets the land. Can't cast a spell without legal targets.
It is punishing in the reverse, when the creature isn't there as it resolves, but if the idea is to make the black deck lose a land regardless of outcome, then the land exile should be an additional cost. And if the intention is that you only lose a land when the creature is exiled (and vice versa) then there needs to be something to link them together. I just don't see what reason there is for two separate targets.
You can't cast it without legal targets.
I'm okay with the interactions of a 1 mana removal spell and 3 mana green cards. I'm also okay with an opponent using Fling to punish it. I just overlooked the interaction with fetches, which pushed it above where I wanted it. As for the interaction with Gush, qell, Gush is a broken card, and is never played on fair decks anyways.
I think having black exile a land is much more steep of a cost than sacrificing a creature.
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Instant
Exile target creature. If a creature is exiled in this way sacrifice a land.
Pathos of the Exile B
Instant (Uncommon)
Exile target creature you don't control and target basic land you do control.
This is the most balanced version. The best way to break parity is to crop rotation the land you target but that requires a very specific deck while most other versions either have a much steeper cost or are circumvented by heavily played cards such as Lotus Petal or Chrome Mox.
That's how I feel too. And to be honest, Crop Rotation is an acceptable breaking of parity, because at the end of the day, it's a black, single target removal spell, so the upside to "abusing" it isn't really game breaking. It's still likely worse than Dismember
Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger
Omnath, Locus of Rage
Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy
Toshiro Umezawa
Thraximundar
Jirina Kudro
Geist of Saint Traft
Krark, the Thumbless + Sakashima of a Thousand Faces
This site has me constantly saying "Some peoples' kids"