I thought of this cute idea for a red take on tutoring. Whereas Gamble lets you tutor any card but requires a discard at random, Random Prize lets you take any card you want from your library...but you can't search your library or look at the card first, so you could end up tutoring anything from a basic land to that one spell you really needed.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
Since shuffling your library is supposed to randomize it, as the others have said... this is a very poor card. Flavor's great, but execution needs a lot of work.
This works a little differently. You can take any one card from your library, but you have to shuffle it first and you can't search your library or look at the card beforehand. For example, you can slide the card out from the middle of your library.
The card didn't originally make you shuffle first, but I foresaw players exploiting cards like Reito Lantern and then "randomly" drawing the bottom card of their library. By shuffling the library first, you ensure that the result is truly random, barring of course an unscrupulous player trying to fix their deck. But only so much can be done within the rules to mitigate that, the rest is up to player diligence.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
This works a little differently. You can take any one card from your library, but you have to shuffle it first (1) and you can't search your library or look at the card beforehand. For example, you can slide the card out from the middle of your library.(2)
(1) Are you sure you quoted the right person? My wording specifically says "shuffle"
(2) It doesn't matter top or the middle. If it was properly shuffled, the resulting card is random regardless of where you get it. "Draw a card" is simpler.
(1) Are you sure you quoted the right person? My wording specifically says "shuffle"
(2) It doesn't matter top or the middle. If it was properly shuffled, the resulting card is random regardless of where you get it. "Draw a card" is simpler.
Advocatus diaboli: There is a functional difference as "Draw a card" is an action that if performed is often specified as a triggering event ("Whenever you draw a card, ...").
Otherwise I agree and add that since this is worse than drawing a card from e. g. cycling {R} which exists as a rider on existing cards with additional effects this is in three distinct ways worse than existing cards (costs more, sorcery-speed, more often than not you don't want to shuffle).
There are two corner cases in which shuffling is a benefit and drawing a card is explicitly something you want to avoid, but the narrowness of these cases does not justify those further developmental screws (cost, speed, drawback) to be tightened.
The design is generally useless and complex in face of obvious more elegant solutions. That's bad.
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Planar Chaos was not a mistake neither was it random. You might want to look at it again.
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This works a little differently. You can take any one card from your library, but you have to shuffle it first (1) and you can't search your library or look at the card beforehand. For example, you can slide the card out from the middle of your library.(2)
(1) Are you sure you quoted the right person? My wording specifically says "shuffle"
(2) It doesn't matter top or the middle. If it was properly shuffled, the resulting card is random regardless of where you get it. "Draw a card" is simpler.
I wasn't contradicting that you said shuffle. I was pointing out that draw a card doesn't offer the same range of possibility that "pick a card, any card" does.
(1) Are you sure you quoted the right person? My wording specifically says "shuffle"
(2) It doesn't matter top or the middle. If it was properly shuffled, the resulting card is random regardless of where you get it. "Draw a card" is simpler.
Advocatus diaboli: There is a functional difference as "Draw a card" is an action that if performed is often specified as a triggering event ("Whenever you draw a card, ...").
Otherwise I agree and add that since this is worse than drawing a card from e. g. cycling {R} which exists as a rider on existing cards with additional effects this is in three distinct ways worse than existing cards (costs more, sorcery-speed, more often than not you don't want to shuffle).
There are two corner cases in which shuffling is a benefit and drawing a card is explicitly something you want to avoid, but the narrowness of these cases does not justify those further developmental screws (cost, speed, drawback) to be tightened.
The design is generally useless and complex in face of obvious more elegant solutions. That's bad.
Most casual cards aren't what would be called "good". This isn't a tool for Spike or a combo peice for Johnny. This is a Timmy tutor, a "let's see what happens next" card. Are there better effects, like Cascade and Possibility Storm? Certainly. But those effects also require a much higher cost.
Manite you have destroyed the identity of tutors in the attempt at creating a tutor that's in-color for red
Maybe this is a sign
Maybe red shouldn't "tutor" even when that word is used in a minimally meaningful way.
A theoretical card design has destroyed the identity of tutors? That sounds a little overdramatic.
Red can tutor, but it requires either A) an on-theme target, like Goblins or Dragons; or B) some degree of randomness and spontaneity.
At any rate folks, this was an experimental design for a casual card. I should think the fact it says random in the topic title makes this obvious, but it's meant to be a casual card, not the red Demonic Tutor. I can't help but to think we're taking this a little too seriously.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
I think the issue that people are having is that once shuffled, all cards in the deck are equally random, so doing anything more complicated than, "draw a card" had better have a good, mechanical reason. Use of a Reito Lantern is irrelevant, because the text of your spell can't be interrupted...everything it says to do will occur before anyone can respond. However if your reason is to specifically avoid the word "draw" so that the spell doesn't trigger effects that care about drawing, there's still no reason to break existing patterns, so the card should say, "Shuffle your library. Put the top card of your library into your hand." Anything else make it an Un-card.
If you really want a randomized red tutor, do something like, "Search your library for 5 cards with different names and reveal them, then put them on the top of your library in a random order. Exile the top card of your library. Until end of turn, you may play that card. Shuffle your library."
(1) Are you sure you quoted the right person? My wording specifically says "shuffle"
(2) It doesn't matter top or the middle. If it was properly shuffled, the resulting card is random regardless of where you get it. "Draw a card" is simpler.
Advocatus diaboli: There is a functional difference as "Draw a card" is an action that if performed is often specified as a triggering event ("Whenever you draw a card, ...").
Otherwise I agree and add that since this is worse than drawing a card from e. g. cycling {R} which exists as a rider on existing cards with additional effects this is in three distinct ways worse than existing cards (costs more, sorcery-speed, more often than not you don't want to shuffle).
There are two corner cases in which shuffling is a benefit and drawing a card is explicitly something you want to avoid, but the narrowness of these cases does not justify those further developmental screws (cost, speed, drawback) to be tightened.
The design is generally useless and complex in face of obvious more elegant solutions. That's bad.
Most casual cards aren't what would be called "good". This isn't a tool for Spike or a combo peice for Johnny. This is a Timmy tutor, a "let's see what happens next" card. Are there better effects, like Cascade and Possibility Storm? Certainly. But those effects also require a much higher cost.
The issue is not that there are better effects, but that there are multiple common simple cards that are better at three different axis. You need a list?
I argue that every one of those cards qualifies more as a tutor than your card because without shuffling there is at least a chance that you have exerted partial control over what you are getting by e. g. scrying - a common action that appears in all colors.
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Planar Chaos was not a mistake neither was it random. You might want to look at it again.
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Use of a Reito Lantern is irrelevant, because the text of your spell can't be interrupted...everything it says to do will occur before anyone can respond.
You can activate your own Reito Lantern before you even cast the spell. Originally the card just had you pick a card out of your library, no shuffling required, but then I realized a player could just Lantern a card out of their graveyard or use Scrying or some other way to put cards on the bottom of their library, then "randomly" pick the bottom card of their library. I was simply trying to avoid an exploit that violated the spirit of the card.
Far as I'm concerned, it's a tutor because it can get any one card out of your library. I'm sorry to any offended parties that it eschews searching and has filthy shuffling, but remember that this card wasn't designed for consistency or utility, it was designed for fun.
Well, the fun of designing this has been sucked out for me now.
MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
Use of a Reito Lantern is irrelevant, because the text of your spell can't be interrupted...everything it says to do will occur before anyone can respond.
You can activate your own Reito Lantern before you even cast the spell. Originally the card just had you pick a card out of your library, no shuffling required, but then I realized a player could just Lantern a card out of their graveyard or use Scrying or some other way to put cards on the bottom of their library, then "randomly" pick the bottom card of their library. I was simply trying to avoid an exploit that violated the spirit of the card.
Far as I'm concerned, it's a tutor because it can get any one card out of your library. I'm sorry to any offended parties that it eschews searching and has filthy shuffling, but remember that this card wasn't desiged for consistency or utility, it was designed for fun.
Well, the fun of designing this has been sucked out for me now.
I'm still struggling with how adding a card to your hand from the middle of your deck after a shuffle is anything different from taking the very top card. I'm honestly curious about your thought process here. If the main difference between a tutor and a draw is control, then how can such an action still be justified as a tutor when devoid of all control? Signal the Clans is a random tutor, but it is most definitely a tutor.
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Random Prize 1R
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Shuffle your library, then without searching, put a card from it into your hand.
Try your luck at the Pot o' Fortune! You could get a priceless gem, or a pile of baloth dung! We can't wait to see what you win! - Advertisment
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
"Shuffle your library, then draw a card."
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This works a little differently. You can take any one card from your library, but you have to shuffle it first and you can't search your library or look at the card beforehand. For example, you can slide the card out from the middle of your library.
The card didn't originally make you shuffle first, but I foresaw players exploiting cards like Reito Lantern and then "randomly" drawing the bottom card of their library. By shuffling the library first, you ensure that the result is truly random, barring of course an unscrupulous player trying to fix their deck. But only so much can be done within the rules to mitigate that, the rest is up to player diligence.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
(1) Are you sure you quoted the right person? My wording specifically says "shuffle"
(2) It doesn't matter top or the middle. If it was properly shuffled, the resulting card is random regardless of where you get it. "Draw a card" is simpler.
"Sometimes, the situation is outracing a threat, sometimes it's ignoring it, and sometimes it involves sideboarding in 4x Hope//Pray." --Doug Linn
Advocatus diaboli: There is a functional difference as "Draw a card" is an action that if performed is often specified as a triggering event ("Whenever you draw a card, ...").
Otherwise I agree and add that since this is worse than drawing a card from e. g. cycling {R} which exists as a rider on existing cards with additional effects this is in three distinct ways worse than existing cards (costs more, sorcery-speed, more often than not you don't want to shuffle).
There are two corner cases in which shuffling is a benefit and drawing a card is explicitly something you want to avoid, but the narrowness of these cases does not justify those further developmental screws (cost, speed, drawback) to be tightened.
The design is generally useless and complex in face of obvious more elegant solutions. That's bad.
Finally a good white villain quote: "So, do I ever re-evaluate my life choices? Never, because I know what I'm doing is a righteous cause."
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Maybe this is a sign
Maybe red shouldn't "tutor" even when that word is used in a minimally meaningful way.
I wasn't contradicting that you said shuffle. I was pointing out that draw a card doesn't offer the same range of possibility that "pick a card, any card" does.
Most casual cards aren't what would be called "good". This isn't a tool for Spike or a combo peice for Johnny. This is a Timmy tutor, a "let's see what happens next" card. Are there better effects, like Cascade and Possibility Storm? Certainly. But those effects also require a much higher cost.
A theoretical card design has destroyed the identity of tutors? That sounds a little overdramatic.
Red can tutor, but it requires either A) an on-theme target, like Goblins or Dragons; or B) some degree of randomness and spontaneity.
At any rate folks, this was an experimental design for a casual card. I should think the fact it says random in the topic title makes this obvious, but it's meant to be a casual card, not the red Demonic Tutor. I can't help but to think we're taking this a little too seriously.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
If you really want a randomized red tutor, do something like, "Search your library for 5 cards with different names and reveal them, then put them on the top of your library in a random order. Exile the top card of your library. Until end of turn, you may play that card. Shuffle your library."
The issue is not that there are better effects, but that there are multiple common simple cards that are better at three different axis. You need a list?
Only better along two axis:
I argue that every one of those cards qualifies more as a tutor than your card because without shuffling there is at least a chance that you have exerted partial control over what you are getting by e. g. scrying - a common action that appears in all colors.
Finally a good white villain quote: "So, do I ever re-evaluate my life choices? Never, because I know what I'm doing is a righteous cause."
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You can activate your own Reito Lantern before you even cast the spell. Originally the card just had you pick a card out of your library, no shuffling required, but then I realized a player could just Lantern a card out of their graveyard or use Scrying or some other way to put cards on the bottom of their library, then "randomly" pick the bottom card of their library. I was simply trying to avoid an exploit that violated the spirit of the card.
Far as I'm concerned, it's a tutor because it can get any one card out of your library. I'm sorry to any offended parties that it eschews searching and has filthy shuffling, but remember that this card wasn't designed for consistency or utility, it was designed for fun.
Well, the fun of designing this has been sucked out for me now.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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I'm still struggling with how adding a card to your hand from the middle of your deck after a shuffle is anything different from taking the very top card. I'm honestly curious about your thought process here. If the main difference between a tutor and a draw is control, then how can such an action still be justified as a tutor when devoid of all control? Signal the Clans is a random tutor, but it is most definitely a tutor.